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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:32 PM
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There was a phychic prediction a while ago that a woman would bring Bush
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 12:32 PM by saracat
down. Could it be Cindy Sheehan and the public reaction to her?
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:28 PM
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1. My perception during my "flash" was that it would be catastrophic
politically. But that is all I got, and I've got to steel myself against reading more into it than what I saw.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:13 PM
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11. yeah, but you can go back to that place and probe for more
that's not fabricating, it's just probing for more.

Sheehan IS blonde, btw. Kinda dirty blonde, but definitely blonde.
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 03:15 AM
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12. OK - here goes
I see a lot of anger and pissed off people, and rage. Most of it from the people working with the Bushes and the SS.
They want to get rid of her anyway they can. They are angry she is not afraid of them and that she intends to press on.
They are working on a solution.
However, cooler heads are trying to prevail.
I see a very dangerous situation that could get out of hand really easy. People on both sides are mad.
Bush handlers are upset that something might mar the gathering planned for Thursday. They are working on Jeb's run to the WH, and don't want donors to be spooked. They have already lost a lot of money because people are angry at the WH and at Bush.
There is a secret plan forming to remove the protesters; they are considering moving them by force.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:42 PM
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15. WOW. PinkTiger
you should do that more often. What you've written certainly rings true, and possible and plausible. WOW. I'm impressed. :bounce:

In the cosmic scheme of things, I feel very good about this whole thing. It has become a cause celebre, while so many other things have floundered, and that alone is REMARKABLE.

The other really cool thing is that there's no plausible easy, graceful WINNING way out of this for Bush. She's a GOLDSTAR MOTHER for heaven's sake, and other Military Family members are on their way:

Military Families to Join Cindy Sheehan in Crawford
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1687928
Link: http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=51471


How will they look manhandling (or even just peacefully arresting) her, let alone any other Military Families?? The more thuggish they are, they worse they look, the more sympathy for her and her cause, etc., etc.

The only really good advice is IMO highly unlikely to be followed (because these thugs would consider it a "win" for her):

Powerful column on Sheehan from Detroit Free Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1996556
Link: http://www.freep.com/features/living/ager9e_20050809.htm


Now, I suppose they could engineer some tragic "accident" (as they have threatened to do), or even some "terrorist attack" or even some violence via agents provocateurs, but not many people on the left would fall for that, and they'd be very foolish IMO to try any of those. We'll see. In the meantime, I'm stunned at how this is "taking," when so many other things haven't over the years. Nothing like an idea whose time has come -- or whose stars have arrived, eh?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:46 PM
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21. Other military families are joining?
Nice. Could this perhaps be another Kent State type of event?
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:00 PM
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25. Thanks, Eloriel!
I've spent my whole life repressing it, so letting go feels good once in awhile.

I just let my mind flow and typed. Strange.

There are some other things:

Unfortunately for Bush, the Sheehan issue came at a very bad time. Something else that we don't have on our radar is happening behind the scenes, something that will become apparent soon, and it is devastating to the GOP and Bush and may well put the kibosh on Jeb's chances at even getting a nomination for President in 2008.

I don't see anyone going to jail, ala Nixon's henchmen. However, I feel great shame and degradation, something that will so imprint itself on the consciousness of the nation that Bush will be history. And no, it isn't personal or sexual. It is rather something that was done by a group of people within the administration--not just once--that will tarnish the GOP so badly they may change their name. I'm not kidding.

I'm sorry, I just went blank.


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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:02 PM
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31. Screen went blank, eh?
Well, you done GOOOOOOOD, girl. Next time that screen pops up again, by all means, do NOT repress it. Run, don't walk, right back here and cough it up.

Your prediction of downfall incl for the party actually meshes with what others have seen as well. I hope and pray ya'll are right on the money.

Thanks again!! Absolutely wonderful, fascinating reading.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:47 PM
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41. LIHOP/MIHOP exposed?
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 08:48 PM by tanyev
That would certainly fit your description. I've got goosebumps now.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 09:51 AM
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105. This will take SO many years.
Americans simply won't be able to accept this for another--oh, I don't know, two decades? Like the Kennedy assassination(s), it will take them forever to come to terms with the fact that the government would plan to harm our own.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #25
135. looking back, pinktiger...
do you realize how prophetic your post was? :wow:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:27 AM
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57. Cindy says
bring em on.

Personally, this whole thing has given me the largest sense of peace I've had since 2000.

Reading a Cindy thread here on Wednesday, I cried and cried.
I KNOW my tears and sobs somehow made a contribution to the effort.

The planet can only cry for so long. Then she will redeem.

I don't feel much anger at the dirty sob's right now.

It is done. In the name of love. As it should be.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:19 PM
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24. I've met her. She's strawberry blond. n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:45 PM
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20. That's what I think too
It's either Sheehan or Wilson. They both have blonde hair.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:54 PM
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110. Hmm, a woman?
I'll tell you what I believe. I don't think it's an actual woman; I believe it's Katrina.

Katrina has really changed the national psyche about Bush and his "leadership."

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:29 PM
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2. Something is out there regarding a woman who could bring
Bush down. Yet, it is still a mystery because several women in Bush's orbit could be the one.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 04:18 PM
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3. I believe it's supposed to be a blonde
Valerie Plame, perhaps?
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:31 PM
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10. Karen??????
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:08 PM
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17. Katherine Harris?
She's not blonde, but she has been used & thrown away. Hell hath no fury...
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 04:52 PM
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4. If I recall, the women who would help to bring *co. down
would be someone from his inner circle who knew about election fraud and felt that she could no longer keep it a secret.

My impression, at the time, was that this would be someone on the BOE in Ohio, for example.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 05:27 PM
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5. Good point.
Who in Ohio would fit the description?
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:51 PM
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7. Does she have to be from Ohio?
Kathryn Harris knows a lot and is having all her support for her senator run pulled out from underneath her. That might be a long shot, she'd have a lot to lose as well, but something keeps telling me she's not one to mess with, and the BFEE has done just that.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:13 PM
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8. Good idea. I forgot about her.
There is that whole woman scorned thing. Since the Republicans typically use and discard people, it could be she isn't going to go away with her tail between her legs like the rest of them. (Darryl Issa and John McCain come to mind here.)
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:31 PM
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9. Harris comes across as vindictive as they come
The other possibilities mentioned and Sibel Edmonds, or probably all of them together, seem a lot more likely and currently appear to be posing big headaches for King George. But you never know who will rise up and speak loudly. Go Girls!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:47 PM
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22. Gotta love girl power
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:42 PM
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36. So does anybody have Harris' email?
I prefer to make these things happen myself, rather than wait around fgor her guilty conciense to get our country back. Let's start talking to her.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 06:33 PM
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37. She's definitely not very stable right now
In her interviews over the past few days, she appeared wired or drunk. Maybe it's neither and she's just close to cracking. I'll join the email campaign if someone has her address. She seems very cold and calculating during the 2000 election. Now she's just plain sad and pathetic.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:36 AM
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42. do you have anyone's email who would know her?
I can start searching for any connections who's contact info is public info tomorrow night (it's 2:30 in the am right now, and I have work tomorrow). In the meanwhile, If ANYBODY knows her history or people who might know her, please tell us!!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:33 AM
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58. Kathryn Harris is getting screwed?
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 07:58 AM by votesomemore
I missed something. But I don't watch t.v.

What about Judy in jail. The journalist who knows?

# mocked her. When he saw her said, "I thought you would be in jail by now". She is NOW. Thanks to #.

I'll Never forget how he mocked Karla Faye.

It's over buddy.
Poor Laura. To live with that sh*t?

edit to elaborate
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 05:57 PM
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6. It would be so perfect and fitting if it is a woman that brings *co down
A woman to end all this patriarchal manipulation & bullshit.

Yeah. I'd like that.

perfect justice.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 01:33 PM
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13. You're right, S.
I recall reading some kind of prediction like that. It could have been something on one of Nancy's threads. I read other astrology web sites, and I do recall reading this in several places.

Interesting. From my own perspective, I have always believed that Americans themselves would take Bush down. This is an intuition that I've had. It won't be foreigners. Some people have said that Americans are too bogged down, to sheep-like to try and break free.

It could very well be a woman. A woman who has lost her son in Iraq. Who better to fight the battle? Bush can't touch her, and he knows it. If he does anything to her, he's toast and the American people will finally stand up and say, "We've had enough".
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:04 PM
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16. Do you think that they will back away from arresting her, as they
have threatened to do on Thurday?

They are so drunk with power, it's hard to imagine what they might do.

I pray to God they don't tazer any of those wonderful people down there in Crawford !!
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:39 AM
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29. I think they're wrestling with that very issue, Q.
Yes, I absolutely believe they will round them up, haul them off to jail.

Doesn't that seem like a stupid thing to do, considering many, many people are watching? Yes, but we have seen many, MANY times they have resorted to thuggish, neanderthal behavior, just because they CAN.

They don't realize this is a powderkeg ready to blow. They see her more as an insect who needs to be swept off the back porch.

....but if they do, and I'm counting on them doing it, it's going to explode in their faces. NOW the media will stir to life. It's summer, there's not much happening, and the media is looking for a story. Just imagine for a moment, Cindy Sheehan being led away in handcuffs. A mother who lost her son in Iraq.

It will wash away any last remaining support for Bush. You don't need a crystal ball for that.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:57 AM
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59. snort
oh yeah. As Andy Card said (think it was him) AUGUST is not the month to launch a "new product" a.k.a. mass murder on another continent. Cindy proved him so wrong. :D .. when the competition is sleeping, take up the slack. Good girl!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:01 AM
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136. were people this angry
with nixon? i was a young teen then and not too interested in politics...i do remember when he was booted out tho...
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 02:54 PM
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14. According to what I've been reading
Bush will go down. He is on his last legs and in complete denial of what is about to happen, though the article also said they'd warned him. I was never sure if I believed this source or not. I really wanted it to be true so I have to step back. You know how that will interfere with any good intuitive hits. I can't read this well at all. I am way too emotionally invested.
I actually posted then removed some info I got because I just can't trust it at the moment. Does this happen to anyone else?
:shrug:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. where is this article?
i need some hope. the world is crashing in on me at the moment.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:31 PM
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19. I'd be interested in reading the article too...
I need some hope.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:00 AM
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26. There are several websites that state the same thing
I am more interested in finding out what every day people are getting on this. This is what I get myself.

This administration has had its covered pulled. Too many people have watched it. Now no doubt they are trying to pull the cover back over themselves and hide a little longer.

A person probably a woman, will start to (or already has) cut away at the curtain the great and powerful oz is hiding behind. The outcome will be determined by the people. We will either begin to evolve and demand that those in high places be held accountable or out of sheer laziness and stupor we will allow things to come to their own conclusions. Either way it’s a dangerous time because this is a spiritual or psychic war. It boils down to will we be brave enough to stand up to the powers whom have had control for ever or will we back down and allow them to continue on as usual. It’s all about power and human beings giving away their power to other authority or taking it back and standing firmly on what they “know”. Collectively we can defeat the “beast”, alone we have trouble.

Nothing is for sure - ever. The one thing that we all forget is that we all have answers. Everyone is intuitive, (george bush is not intuitive in the sense that I’m speaking of) we all get information everyday. It’s our natural state. We have been told that it’s “weird” to know anything and have been taught NOT to trust ourselves. Getting in touch with that part in each of us is mandatory in this day and age. Obviously most democrats are listening, at least somewhat as they have seen through the lies. Going deeper is what I’m trying to get to. I know that there are many people who visit this forum who are intuitive. They already have been getting hits; they feel the “energy” surges and know that something is happening. Does anyone else feel brave enough to say what they feel?
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:02 AM
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28. thank you for sharing that with us...
I believe you're right, and am praying for it to come about. We need more people to speak truth boldly into the dark, and fill it with light. You are one of those... thank you.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:06 PM
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32. Very nicely done. Thanks!!! n/t
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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:09 PM
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53. You're giving me chills
OhioBlues, You're right on! and in fact, just this morning as I read an article on election fraud I had this weird feeling that I was reading it in the msm and many others were reading it - not just us in the blogosphere. I've read tons and tons of articles on this since Nov. and this was the first time I'd ever felt anything like this so I've been thinking about it ever since. Then I ventured over to this forum, this thread, your post and like I said - it had a physical effect on me.

It is a scary time because I think the energy of this regime is an old, constricted energy that is dying out. They know this so they will use any means possible to hold on to their power. Yes, it will take courage and bravery on our side and so far, sadly, the majority of Dems in DC don't seem up for the fight. We've got a few brave warriors there and we need to send our support however we can. As you said, collectively we can defeat the Beast.

This is the article that gave me that feeling:

No Paper Trail Left Behind:
The Theft of the 2004 Presidential Election


http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/voter_fraud.html
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #19
60. The house of cards will fall down
hope and vision for you.

To put it in practical terms, how many dictators can control their subjects? Zero. Does not compute.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #14
23. Well I remember
sometime late last year (just a few days or so before the election) I had this feeling that something big will happen to Bush to bring him down.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:01 AM
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27. I thought so too
Maybe it's just taking longer than expected or he'll slip through the net again.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 02:22 PM
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30. I didn't get a time line though
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 02:23 PM by FreedomAngel82
Just a huge feeling. I was watching something dealing with the election and the feeling came to me. I looked and looked and nothing ever came. Whatever it is will have to be so powerful it brings us all together or is something the politicians can't ignore or something. Maybe it's the Wilson case. All I know for sure is the feeling of Bush going down.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:14 PM
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33. Freedom, here's something interesting....
in June, I asked the I ching the following question, "What will happen to Bush in his 2nd term? Here's the hexagram that came up:

#23 - Splitting Apart

Po is the symbol of falling or of causing to fall, and may be applied, both in the natural and political world, to the process of decay, or that of overthrow. In the political world, small men have gradually displaced good men and great, till but one remains; and the lesson for him is to wait. The power operating against him is too strong, but the fashion of political life passes away. If he wait, a change for the better will shortly appear.

The symbolism is chiefly that of a bed or couch with its occupant. The idea of the hexagram requires the occupant to be overthrown, or at least an attempt is made to overthrow him.

From line 4 the danger is imminent. The couch has been overthrown. The person or the occupant is at the mercy of the destroyers.
----------------------------
Amazing, isn't it?
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Any changing lines?
That's often the most interesting part of an I Ching reading, along with the hexagram that results.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:11 PM
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39. Yes, there were several.
Hexagram: #23, "Splitting Apart"

Changing lines 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 (from the bottom)

Line 1: The idea of the hexagram requires this occupant to be overthrown, or at least an attempt will be made to overthrow him. Of course there will be evil.

Line 2: Is to the same effect as 1; only the foe has advanced from the legs to the frame of the couch.

Line 4: The danger is imminent. The couch has been overthrown. the person of the occupant is at the mercy of the destroyers.

Line 5: With line 5, the symbolism changes. Here, he and they are representecd as fishes, following one another as if strung together. The subject of the line is the rightful sovereign in his palace, and 5 leads all the others there to enjoy the sovereign's favours.

Line 6: Its strong subject, notwithstanding the attempts against him, survives, and acquires fresh vigour. (uh-oh)

Anyway, here's a great web site for casting your own I Ching hexagram:
http://www.visionarynet.com (look for the icon 'I Ching)

Once you get your hexagram, go to this site to interpret your reading. Visionary net is terrible at this. This site is excellent, uses Legge's translation from the 1800's.

http://www.sacred-texts.com (scroll down and click on I Ching)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #39
44. Thanks for those links
What does the last line mean and why did you say "uh oh"??
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 08:12 PM
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52. Well, the changing lines 1,2,4, and 5
seem to indicate that Bush is in big trouble. He'll be "overthrown".

But changing line 6 seems to indicate Bush will survive the attempts to overthrow him, and he attains "fresh vigor". Bush is the subject of his hexagram. For some amazing reason, it seems like he'll survive. But that's what puzzles me about the IChing. Sometimes you have lines that contradict each other.

One says "overthrow", and the next one says "survives overthrow". I've always been puzzled by that.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 11:28 AM
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55. an optimistic (from our view) interpretation of your hexagram...
Maybe this is just wishful thinking, since I want to see SOMEBODY in this corrupt regime held accountable. It's hard to accept the meaning of "survives overthrow"--but it can't be ignored. Seems possible that the criminals and thieves Bush has surrounded himself with may start to fall, being shamed and discredited if not indicted. The R party esp the neo-cons, would take the serious whipping that they deserve.

But I COULD imagine Chimpy on his illegitimate little throne, somehow riding above the fray...what I'm saying is he might be able to pull off a "Scrushy"--this was the recent case of the HealthSouth CEO who watched a dozen executives in the firm go down for fraud and illegal accounting (a $2.7 BILLION dollar fraud)...while Scrushy played on his folksy appeal to the jury, convincing them he didn't KNOW about the criminal conspiracy (even though there was plenty of testimony indicating he did). Schrushy, BTW is now an Alabama televangelist, after being turned down in his arrogant bid to run the healthcare co. again following his acquittal !?!

Wouldn't it be something IF the Bushbots DO go down (as I hope and pray...this country needs a cleansing and a healing from those scumbags)--HOWEVER The Village Idiot survives by once again playing the old personality game: "Ah'm just a good ol' boy tryin to do my best...Ah TRUSTED the people that worked for me." I could imagine him distancing from his handlers if push comes to shove, barring no damaging evidence such as the Nixon tapes. I've always thought Chimpy was more into the power trip, leaving the financial kickbacks til after he leaves office. Not saying he comes out unscathed, just that he avoids impeachment (R congress) but manages to reinvent himself like Schrushy, ready for a delusional new chapter in Bushworld. Or --an even more elemental analogy, like Brer Rabbit (The Dumb Bunny) outsmarting the fox.

Just throwing this out...as it was the first thing to flash in my mind, reading your post. I saw Little Prince Georgie still sleeping well in his little bed (if not throne), while others get (hopefully) thrown to the lions.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:12 AM
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64. Maybe it depends on what he does himself
Know what I mean? We do have the ability to change our future. I still don't get anything past mid/late summer of 2006. It may be just me though myself. :shrug: Maybe it'll be a Clinton type thing? :shrug:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 03:34 PM
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46. hmmm, this reading isn't too hopeful for our side
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 03:35 PM by kineta
it changes to the hexagram called 'joyousness' - hexagram 58

it is usual to interpret a hexagram with so many lines changing as a condition that has already past, and just skip to the changing hexagram without reading the lines of the original hexagram.

some people read the one unchanged line from the new hexagram - in this case it would be line 3 of hexagram 58. That line reads: "Coming joyousness. Misfortune."

i would take this reading to mean that he gets through all the undermining that takes place in hexagram 23, but has an empty victory of sorts.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:17 PM
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49. That's the way our group uses the I Ching, as well, Kineta
We've been studying the I Ching together since 1985, and we use the method you stated, when a hexagram has 4 or more changing lines... we go to the newly created hexagram, and read the lines that did not change in the first hexagram.

:kick:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 11:25 PM
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54. Do you use a method that determines just one changing line to use?
I use the method Chu Hsi's method, which I find works very well.

I can post the rules for determining the line to use if anyone is interested.
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yellowdawgdem Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 07:06 PM
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71. I would be interested in your method
Can you post something about chu Hsi's method, the rules for line use, etc. Maybe even on a separate thread since this one is getting so long.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:09 AM
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61. IOW
he's the patsy he's always been. I'm starting to feel sorry for him and I really don't want to. But when someone sells their soul, they reap.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:08 AM
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43. Oh wow
So you think this means Bush will be booted out of office? Hopefully we take back the House and Senate and can boot the whole administration out for war crimes and then Nancy Pelosi will be the leader until we can insert someone in and hopefully we can have real trials on election fraud and prove John Kerry and John Edwards belong there. I hope so!
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 09:26 PM
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74. I have been picking up weird vibes
that the Republicans will turn on each other
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yellowdawgdem Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:44 AM
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35. yeah that happens to me
a whole lot, too. I mean, really wanting there to be something definitive happening. And also not feeling terribly objective, so I tend to not say too much. Also I'm never sure which information, if any, is accurate. If I really had to hazard a guess, It'd be that all of these incidents that have happened, are happening, are like candles that will fuel larger fires.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:16 AM
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65. That's why with me
I write everything in my journal and stuff. I remember early in January after New Year's I like to do a reading of the year and get a general feel and stuff and remember predicting that many people will start to question whether or not they voted for the right person (in dealing with Bush) and that came true. Some personal stuff also comes true so if I get something really strong through my feelings I trust it.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:09 AM
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63. What was the info you got?
Maybe we can compare and contrast. I still remember last November having this feeling something huge will bring Bush down. And I still don't get anything from him past mid/late summer of 2006. I think things are really going to be going fast and hard for Bush and the group. I still remember a while back talking to Lady Hectae and she said the powers that be want Bush to get out of Iraq and clean up something for once in his life. Of course anything could happen. Sometimes I don't trust things either but when the information is so strong and through my feelings I can't ignore it.
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:21 PM
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38. I think, given the past few days ...
... that the woman the psychic pictured is Cindy Sheehan. It's pretty apparent at this point that she's unleashed something very powerful, with a lot of forward momentum.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:31 PM
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40. She certainly speaks the truth!
Prayers for Cindy. We need more heroes like her!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:11 AM
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45. I agree
Could it be Sheehan? I don't know. I always had this sense that whomever it is will come out of nowhere and Ms. Sheehan certainly did that. Maybe it is her. :shrug: Should be interesting to watch.
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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 03:45 PM
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47. I still think Karen Hughes is gonna break...
It was supposed to be someone close to Bush, an insider, wasn't it? I say she is going to have some big inner conversion and blow them all out of water.

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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:16 PM
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48. Hey Revree!
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 04:18 PM by Proud_Lefty
Do you think we should write some emails to Ms. Hughes? We need to go after Katherine Harris too (see above). Some woman to woman chats seem in order.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:22 PM
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50. I just might be that Rove pushes Karen to the breaking point.
Rove is ruthless, and is jealous of Karen's close relationship with boosh...he always has been. In the first few days after Karen announced she would be going home to be with family, Karl was peeing all over himself to make sure boosh put him in Karen's old job. He's such an ass...he might do something that tries to smear her in georgie's eyes, and she could come back.

Or, some such scenario. Who knows. God/Goddess knows that Karen would know where all the bodies are buried.

:kick:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:17 AM
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66. Do you mean Katherine?
Did you see her on Hannity & Colmes? You could feel some type of strong tension with her whenever they tried to ask her about her getting support from Rove and/or Bush. You can see the video at crooksandliars.com The tension though with her on their name's is amazing. She really tries to divert that and goes back to Jeb.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:56 PM
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51. I've been looking for that "prediction".
I have found it before, but now I can't.

It was from some kind of a prophecy-prediction website. But it was specifically mentioned on a thread here. I'm very frustrated that I cannot find it.

Because, as I remember it, it was a woman, I think an insider, who was a good Christian woman in torment.... Right?

But did it say insider or not? That could help clear things up.

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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 11:41 AM
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56. I think it did refer to someone in the inner circle
Edited on Sat Aug-13-05 11:41 AM by Quakerfriend
I'm wondering if this could be someone like Kay Bailey Hutchinson or perhaps Elizabeth Dole.

Neither have ever shown anything but a COMPLETE willingness to tow the party line. They both, however, seem to care greatly about their own image(s). They also strike me as the types who would be willing to 'turn' if they think that things might be starting to fall apart for *co, especially if they thought that it would make them appear to be on the moral high ground.

Perhaps, they are too old to care? :shrug:
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:55 AM
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62. Anyone read about the latest rumor?
Members of the GOP are courting Joe Scarborough to run for the senate seat in Florida INSTEAD OF KATHERINE HARRIS. Wow! If true, this could cause someone to re-think who their friends really are. Hmmmm.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:19 AM
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67. Seriously?
Wow. This could get interesting. But seriously go and watch her interview from Hannity & Colmes on crooksandliars.com Feel her tension whenever she hears the name Rove and/or George and how she tries to ignore and divert it and goes to Jeb.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:59 AM
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68. They priming Scarborough to run for the HOUSE ... not the Senate
They've already got their boy, Nelson (?) or somesuch?, to run against the Wicked Witch.

:kick:
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:51 AM
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69. You may be right
I read it on Crooks and Liars that they want him to run instead of Harris. Isn't Nelson the Dem candidate?
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:27 AM
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73. You were right, Proud Leftie.....here it is: Scarborough for Senate
Just read this in LBN:

"PENSACOLA, Fla. - Two local businessmen active in Republican Party politics say the GOP is courting cable TV host Joe Scarborough to replace U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris (news, bio, voting record) in the 2006 Senate race against incumbent Democrat Bill Nelson.

Scarborough, a former U.S. representative, has met with senior Republican officials, Collier Merrill, a Pensacola businessman told the Pensacola News Journal in a report for Wednesday's editions.

The other businessman, Eric Nickelsen, said he had contacted Scarborough and encouraged him to run, and he corroborated that other party leaders wanted the cable talk show host to challenge Harris.

Scarborough declined to comment late Tuesday. He was sent to Congress four times from the Pensacola area, beginning in 1994."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050817/ap_on_el_se/brf_sen...


I'll bet Katherine Harris is feeling a little betrayed at the moment.

<snork>

:kick::kick::kick:
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:21 PM
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70. LOOK AT THIS HEADLINE!!! UNREAL -!!
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 01:22 PM by Eloriel
Pat Buchanan: Cindy may be the catalyst of crisis for the Bush presidency
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4376832

Does that not look like the prediction coming true?? Wow.

From the article, I love this:

Cindy Sheehan will soon be a household name. The more media she attracts, the more people she draws to Crawford. The more people who join Cindy in Crawford, the more media coverage they will attract. It is hard to see what breaks this cycle before Labor Day and the president's return.

Tee hee. :evilgrin:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 08:35 AM
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72. Tarot reading July 9

13. Queen of Swords
This card may mean widowhood, mourning, privation. Kindness but also firmness. Keen observation.
She is a severe and chaste widow, keen and subtle, kind but firm. This card warns of privation, absence and sadness.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=245&topic_id=9814#9839

Maybe
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:51 PM
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75. or might be a hurricane with a woman's name!
I'm thinking maybe Katrina could be the "woman" that brings Bush down. Anyone else thinking along these lines?
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 09:46 PM
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76. Yes
I think Katrina is what finally will bring the House of Arbusto down.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:08 AM
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77. Ding ding ding.
I'm just sorry she had to make so many people suffer to do it.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:10 AM
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78. Yep.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:13 PM
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79. New thread in GD: females deliver knockout punches to *
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4651341


Notice how it was the females who delivered the knockout punch to *?


Edited on Mon Sep-05-05 05:37 PM by CatWoman

Cindy and Katrina showed the world what a callous, incompetent, rude, uncaring, self-absorbed, unmanly dick Bush REALLY is.

The "strong leader" mask wasn't taken off -- it was fucking knocked out. Bitch slapped even

edited to include Gov. Blanco

I AM WOMAN!!!

HEAR ME ROAR!!!!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:32 AM
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80. Has anyone thought that maybe...
...the woman to bring Shrub down would be Mother Nature, disguised as Katrina?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 03:48 AM
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81. Laugh if you must, but I don't think we've seen her yet.
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 03:50 AM by BlueIris
Of course, all of the women mentioned here already have been valuable Bush critics, activists and patriots, but I think The Big One is still out there.

Why, you ask? Okay, I had a dream. A bunch of people wandering around in my city, whispering about "her," what "'that girl' keeps saying about the President," etc. I kept asking everyone whom they were talking about, but they wouldn't elaborate. "Turn on your t.v." was the answer I received. The sense I got, though, surprisingly, which isn't a quality any of the women in this thread hold, is that she's a younger person, and she isn't exactly well liked, even by liberals, and those who share her anti-Administration views. Her motives, I recall from my dream, are questionable--something about wanting her 15 minutes, according to some.

The other reason I feel that she isn't here yet is that none of the women or "women" (Katrina) mentioned in this thread have managed to stay in the limelight--or at least, the public's impression of it--for very long, or consistenty. Yes, I know the women and their statements have been consistent, but at this time, the media has shifted its focus away from Cindy and Sybil. Katrina, of course, cannot be so easily dismissed, and I guess we'll see how long the cameras stay on her, as well as what kind of damage she does to Bush's power and influence. Still, I just--I think she's still out there.
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divineorder Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:33 AM
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82. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Katrina
First of all, there are the doubtless tremendous economic effects of losing New Orleans. Lost taxes, lost income from tourism, lost manufacturing, lost consumer spending. And the cost of even getting New Orleans up to functional will be horrific.

Health ripples, both mental and physical health.

Survivor stories

The political effects of this much displacement on refuge states

Getting the water out is estimated to take 30-80. Just getting the water out, hoping that no more hurricanes hit the city and surrounding regions.
No estimate on how long it will take to get basic services such as power and water going. And reconstruction? Who knows?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 05:30 AM
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83. I don't dismiss Katrina's impact, easily or otherwise.
I posted as much. I think it is too early to tell, however, what her impact on Bush's power will be in the long run.

Since you mention the impact of the stories of the thousands of Katrina survivors, however, maybe "the" woman, as in, human, will be a survivor of Katrina's wrath.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:13 AM
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84. Maybe it's his mother with her Marie Antoinette quote??
So many of the refugees are underprivileged, so this is working out well for them.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 08:18 AM
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85. God, Bab's remarks were vile.
Especially those OTHER parts:

"What I’m hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."

Gee, why would it be "sort of scary" for her to hear that "they" want to stay where things are warm, there is food, and they are not drowning? What on earth could she have been insinuating there?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 08:54 PM
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94. I would like to give her a name......
I say, her name is, "The Omega".
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Joyce78 Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:11 AM
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86. Robin Lowman Garner
Was there any truth to that story? If so, could she finally be coming forward to reveal what she knows about George W. Bush?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:14 AM
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87. Good thought, but...I can't imagine the media giving her coverage
anytime soon.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:20 AM
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88. Who is she?
Sorry for the ignorance
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:24 AM
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89. She is allegedly...
a woman Bush had an affair with thirty + years ago, got pregnant, then had his family pay off to end her pregnancy and keep quiet.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:31 AM
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99. A daughter perhaps?
It would serve him right to be brought down with a sex scandal.
I just don't want to hear anything about pretzels being involved.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 03:53 PM
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90. How about Oprah??????
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:05 PM
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91. Oprah is going to have a Major Influence on a lot of people
Her show today was by all account amazing, and an indictment of Bush and his failed FEMA cronies. Tomorrow she will be back on the air with more. Do not underestimate the influence of this woman - Oprah's got it all going on.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:18 PM
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93. Underestimate Oprah?.....she has some personal power there!
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 07:30 PM by DemExpat
I hope that bringing down this miserable dynasty of Neo-Cons will be her biggest legacy.

DemEx
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:10 PM
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92. Katrina...could just as easily been a male name....
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 07:11 PM by Desertrose
Hurricane Katrina was one hell of a "woman"....

we now have a few women...maybe its feminine power combined...water is a feminine element.....

on edit- just saw jap's post above....
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:27 PM
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95. suggestion
I just saw a photo of Justice O'Connor at Rehnquist's funeral, she
was looking at Bush's nominee for Chief Justice, Judge Roberts (with
2 years on the federal bench) laughing, it looked like her face had
turned to stone. You realize that she was in on this election fraud
thing from the very beginning with Bush v. Gore, we have all been expecting someone to come forward about election fraud like Ms. Harris,
maybe we're looking at things the wrong way. Also white hair and blonde
are often confused.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:24 AM
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97. Great observation.
I would LOVE that to be the case. Bring it, Justice O'Connor!
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:26 PM
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101. thanks
I am betting on Justice O'Connor, the post last year emphasized that
this person had a strong sense of justice and was conflicted, who deals
more with ethics than a judge, who has seen more consequences for
justice since the Republicans have started their activist judge campaign, she may be the one.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:46 PM
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148. Also, keep in mind that this "Woman who would bring
Bush down" doesn't necessarily have to be an adversary. It could be someone on Bush's side. But through her blunders, she helps bring down the flimsy house of cards that Bush has built in Washington.

So I have no doubt that a woman could help bring Bush down, but it doesn't have to be his enemy.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:53 PM
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96. Is Judy Going to Sing?
Did anyone see the Huffington Post today on Judy Miller? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/the-judy-file-is-miller-_b_7057.html
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:57 AM
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100. She could do it
I hope she does.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:12 AM
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98. i see it as the concept of "the lone woman."
it isn't women unity, solidarity. nor is it intuitivity, seduction, mystery, etc. it isn't the high priestess. it's the empress. it's the queen of hearts. it's the lone woman, broken-hearted, facing down the wrath of the entirity of evil and its perverse expression of "a man's world" (aka, bravado, arrogance, stubbornness, dismissiveness, heartlessness). and the weapon is the purity of meekness. what greater symbol is there of speaking truth to power and challenging its authority than a lone woman, speaking plainly her case and ending with a question?
when the currency of the day is power, she who is powerless is truly free -- free to give the rarest currency in the land, truth, and free to ask the most poignant question, "why?"

"katrina" is another to the list of lone women to me. the truth is homeland security, and the meme that bush's protecting us, and ended racism, etc is all a lie. we are exposed for all the world to see. we have become all varnish no substance. we are not laughable, but now pitiable. and the question again is, "why?"

the cycle isn't done. there needs to be more manifestations of this facet of reality. but straight to the heart it plunges, its aim is true.
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 07:22 PM
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102. Sen. Landrieu?
The Repubs are making noises that they will be able to take her seat next year because there will be enough blacks either killed by Katrina or displaced to another state to give them a margin of victory. Could it be that Landrieu goes for broke in the next few months rallying support to hold Chimpy and his flying monkey administration accountable?

She's fair-haired, too.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #102
103. There is still Ophelia off the coast looking
at South Carolina.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:39 AM
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104. Alright, everyone, I confess: I'm a blonde.
I haven't been through the kind of suffering that Cindy Sheenan has; or committed the kind of crimes/had access to the kind of info that Judith Miller has, but I've lost a lot because of Bush. I'm pretty angry, like we all are. I do have something of a plan to continue to do my part to oppose this tyranny--in a bigger way than I have already--should I get the opportunity. Which would involve some press coverage (a tall order these days) and well, my project isn't totally finished. Still, I've got nothing to lose. I'm not really all that afraid of things like jail, public scorn (been dealing with that for years!) rejection by friends and family (been there, done that). So, I promise, should the opportunity present itself, I'll give the Administration my best, er, worst, so to speak.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #104
106. Speak truth to power
It is not easy to step out of the comfortable path we are on to confront
the darkness but that is what must be done. May you have the courage
of your convictions when the time comes.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #106
107. I'll do my best.
If you see a bonde woman shrieking on your television screen about the Downing Street Memo sometime within the next few months, er, that may be me.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #107
108. these are evil days
every little bit that we do is another little weight against the current
way of doing things, we need to tip the scale the other way.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:11 PM
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109. Was her name, "Katrina?" Was 'woman' figurative in that sense?
'Cause here's the Rockie Horoscope daily forecast for Sept. 12 -- the day before his first-ever "admission of responsibility." :eyes:

http://www.laweekly.com/rockie/rockie_return.php?qdate=2005-09-12&qkeyword=&SUBMIT=Search
Monday, September 12th, 2005
Today Saturn crosses George Bush’s ascendant at 7 degrees of Leo; a once every 29 ½ year event following close upon his second Saturn return (26 Cancer 30) on June 18. Is that when he fell off the wagon? Or was it while Saturn sat on his 13+ Cancer sun for a good part of 2004? Or is the drinking again just a rumor? Watch Saturn distribute its usual litany of woes in all directions; it’s already accounting for his slow response to the disaster in the Gulf, (another take on the Gulf war?) and significant dip in the polls. On October 12 on Erev Yom Kippur, Saturn conjuncts Bush’s Mercury in Leo, making him more tongue-tied than ever. And on October 24, UN Day, restrictive Saturn merges with his natal Pluto at 10 Leo 35. Will he implode? Will he impose martial law on the rest of us? Saturn won’t catch up to Venus, ruler of his Libran charm, popularity and close ties to the judiciary at 21 Leo 30 until next year because on November 22 Saturn goes retrograde for its usual five month sojourn. Today the Capricorn moon, ruled by Saturn, does its best to take care of business. You should do the same. Tuesday is filled with distractions, militancy and earthly concerns you can’t get to.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:18 AM
Response to Reply #109
124. I think it was Katrina, precisely, and MOTHER NATURE
trying rid the planet of this GOP black plague.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:21 AM
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111. Martha Stewart was just freed...
...she was his answer to 'corporate accountability' if I remember...
She's blond and ruthless.
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:12 PM
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112. Could it be Rita? You know tonight on Keith O's show I
saw them showing pictures of Ambulances with their lights on removing patients from hospitals in Florida.

I was totally enraged.....also they said that the national guard was "standing by".....

Wow....Florida gets the "RED CARPET" TREATMENT...and New Orleans gets shit

We are OVERDUE for OUTRAGE.....I just don't get it.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:02 PM
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113. Ok, here's my guess it's
Laura. She awakes from her stupor, realizes what a mess she's in and spills the beans. Or maybe one of the twins shares daddy's little secret with her.

-Hoot
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #113
114. I'm holding out some hope for Laura, too;
see the discussion in the thread on The Queen of Cups.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #114
115. Then again...
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 09:59 PM by hootinholler
The new 'investigator' is a blonde female insider. If only she can screw up the investigation to put it over the top?



-Hoot

Edit to add image
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #115
116. Who is she?
I'm afraid I don't know what you mean, "the new investigator."
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #115
117. Yes, please tell us who she is.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #117
118. Sorry,
This clip from an opednews.com article:

He’s appointed his own Homeland Security Advisor, Ms. Frances Townsend, to lead the White House investigation into how the government screwed up with Hurricane Katrina – and what to do about it.

%<---- (snip)

Ms. Townsend chairs the Homeland Security Council and reports to the President on Homeland Security policy and Combating Terrorism matters. She previously served as Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Combating Terrorism. She came to the White House from the U.S. Coast Guard, where she served as Assistant Commandant for Intelligence. Prior to that, she spent 13 years at the Department of Justice in a variety of senior positions, her last assignment as Counsel to the Attorney General for Intelligence Policy. She began her prosecutorial career in 1985, serving as an Assistant District Attorney in Brooklyn, New York. In 1988, she joined the United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York where she focused on international organized crime and white-collar crime cases.


I grabbed the pic from another thread.

-Hoot

-Hoot
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #118
119. What makes you think that she'll rat on the chimp?
She's a direct appointee and sounds like she'd be loyal, at least as long as it is in her own best interest.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #119
120. I don't think she'll rat out the chimp
I think she'll blow the investigation in a way that will expose something.

People were talking about a blonde female insider that plays a large role in bringing chimpy down. That role doesn't have to be ratting him out does it? When I saw her I thought here's a possibility.

-Hoot
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #120
121. Aaahh -- thanks for the clarification
Wouldn't it be nice for * to be sabotaged by one of his incompetent appointees? Almost Karmic.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #121
122. Almost???
That would be absolute kharma

Poetic justice even.

-Hoot
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 02:15 PM
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123. Barbara Olsen sure fits this description
I know Tom Flocco has a lot of "way out there" stories, but I have yet to see any of them actually proven false. As a strong MIHOP believer, I always wondered about what really happened with Olsen. Anyway, this is Flocco's latest article:

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/OlsenArrested.htm
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #123
125. Interesting.
As a MIHOP believer myself--though, admittedly, not one who loves Flocco (sorry)--I'm quite certain that if Barbara Olsen herself really were to show up and start talking, that would shatter some massively long illusions. It's just--as I posted above, it's so hard for me to believe that it will take any fewer than twenty to thirty years for your average man on the street to accept the possibility of a government conspiracy THAT evil and destructive. It's just too soon for that.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #125
126. Don't you think it's been in the works that long?
I think back to the Kennedy assassination and see a lot of similarities with 9/11, the investigation, the hearings, the implausible stories. This has been in the making for a long time. What's strange is when I first opened my eyes to the fact that there was a problem with this prez, I started doing internet searches and quickly kept finding more and more incredibly evil stuff that I had to tune out because it was so overwhelming and demoralizing. But it's all been there, just waiting to be viewed. I take on little bits at a time.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #123
127. I always remember thinking that Tom Olsen didn't
appear to be very distraught when he appeared on Larry King several weeks after 9-11. This is way before any of the 'tin foil hat' theories began surfacing.

I thought it odd, too, that he showed a series of personal pictures- of them at the beach etc.- and almost appeared to be trying to cry.

What stood out to me the most was that he did not seem genuinely upset about the 'loss'.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #127
128. I've been wondering about Barbara for years
She never appeared genuine to me. When no bodies were ever found and people started wondering what really happened to them, I immediately wondered about her and her Ann Coulter type support for this administration. If my suspicions were correct, what would they do to someone so faithful to their cause?
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #128
129. Hey, Proud_Lefty
:hi:

But, how conceivable is it that Tom Flocco could get this info, but absolutely no one else is reporting this??

Why wouldn't he provide the 'proof' that she's alive and has, in fact, been arrested?? You've got to admit that this would be pretty damning!

Just wondering what you think.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #129
130. I don't know much about Tom Flocco
except he seems to dig up some pretty sensational stuff. Some of it is really far out, but some of it leaves me wishing some or all of it could only be true and our administration is closer to folding. I'm not proclaiming his claims as I've seen no evidence of its validity, but I haven't seen any evidence showing it's not valid either. It's what I consider food for thought and open thought. He hit on something that has left me with lingering questions for some time now. Whether any of us believe it or not, it won't change the facts and the truth will eventually surface.

As to your question, "how conceivable is it that Tom Flocco could get this info, but absolutely no one else is reporter this??" I went to a conference a few months ago and met Dahr Jamail, an embedded reporter in Iraq. He was talking about how he was trying to get the media to report on the torture going on months before it was forced to report it. Only one major media center responded to him that "it wasn't news." This is one example of many where the media refuses to report important information.

As I said, I don't know anything about Flocco, what he's really learned and who all knows about it. But I don't for one second think the media would openly report it without a major struggle to conceal it if it's true. If it's not true, sorry for posting it.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:14 AM
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131. Whee hoo! Lyndie England!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1822642#1822727

Washington, October 3: A US soldier convicted of humiliating and abusing Iraqi prisoners has said she knew of "worse things" happening at Abu Ghraib and insisted military commanders were fully aware of what was going on in Iraq’s infamous jail.
(snip)

However many women it takes, let's do it.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:45 AM
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132. I'm starting to wonder about the appointment of Harriet Miers.
She is inextricably linked to the whole Ben Barnes/Tx Natl Guard story. This could turn around and bite him in the backside.

Lottery Commission
Upon taking office in 1995, Gov. Bush appointed his personal lawyer, Harriet Miers ($22,000 to Bush’s gubernatorial campaigns), to watch over the Texas Lottery Commission. The Texas Lottery is intertwined with ex-Texas Speaker and Lieutenant Governor Ben Barnes. In 1991, Barnes lobbied to create the Texas Lottery. The next year Barnes became arguably the highest paid lobbyist in Texas history. Gtech—the only contractor that the Texas Lottery has ever had—agreed to pay Barnes annual fees of up to $3.2 million. Barnes kicked back one-third of this money to a Gtech executive who was convicted in 1996 of taking New Jersey lobby kickbacks. In a further revolving-door scandal, Gtech hired top Bush aides Cliff Johnson and Reggie Bashur as lobbyists as they exited the Governor’s Office. In the wake of these scandals, Gtech paid $23 million to buy Barnes out of his lobby contract and the Lottery Commissioners rebid Gtech’s contract. Gtech simply won the contract again. Gtech paid $300,000 in 1999 to settle a lawsuit by ex-Texas Lottery Director Lawrence Littwin. Littwin alleged that the commissioners fired him for digging into Gtech’s political influence. He said the company controlled the commissioners because of what Barnes knew about Bush’s military service. As House Speaker in 1968, Barnes wrote a letter to help get young George W. Bush a coveted spot in the Texas Air National Guard—far from the Vietnamese rice paddies.
http://www.tpj.org/docs/2000/10/reports/appointments/boards.html


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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #132
133. I just looked for this thread
I was thinking the same thing about Harriet. Scrubbing *'s Nat'l guard records, the lottery, Texas repuke politics. She apparently has the ethics of a true BFEE member. She looks sorta blonde - at least her dye job is close to it. It would be true justice if just some of the truth comes out in her hearings.

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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #132
134. Very interesting thought. I recall that the prediction was that
she would have blue eyes.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #132
137. when I read THIS (see link) DU thread, I thought the same thing...
could Harriet Miers be the woman the OP thought would bring down Shrub's regime. See this thread:

link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1827628&mesg_id=1827628

Does Miers have blue eyes? I read a post saying they thought the woman in question would have blue eyes....
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #132
138. wouldn't it just be so karmically delicious
if it was someone Bush brought forth in order to protect him ended up being his downfall as the truths start tumbling out of the open closet doors!
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #138
139. yep!
I've got buttered popcorn ready! Want some? :popcorn:

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #132
147. Miers approved male prostitute Jeff Gannon for a White House "press" pass
And then the prostitute visited the Bush White House about 200 times, according to official and public Secret Service Records -- lots of those visits on weekeneds.

So the Gannon Can of Worms could be opened again -- either through investigation of Miers suitability for the job, or if Gannon/Guckert is indicted in White House treason case.

So, those are considerations for how Miers might be involved in bringing an end to the Culure of Corruption in the Bush-Republican Kabal.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #147
149. No kidding! Got a link for that?
"Miers approved male prostitute Jeff Gannon for a White House "press" pass"

I want to know more!
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 10:42 AM
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140. At this point, I think it is Schiavo
She is the tipping point where things all started going terribly horribly wrong for the whole cabal. Since then, many women have added to the brew, Edmunds, Sheehan, Katrina... but Terri was when they first overplayed their arrogant hand and it woke alot of people up.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #140
143. Good call.
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 08:42 AM by BlueIris
I was just thinking about SchiavoWatch today and how horrible it all was, as well as the fact that it left many of the still brainwashed "conservatives" out there going, "What's wrong with this picture? Why is My Good Leader behaving so exploitively in response to that poor woman's suffering?"
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:50 AM
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141. Hurricane Wilma headed our way?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:39 AM
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142. Weird, I was just thinking about this thread. For the record:
I'm still here, I'm still blonde and I still want to help bring down Bush. If you see some crazy person on t.v. out West screaming about the DSM this week or next, you will know that my plan is working.
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #142
144. Love Your Posts
Blueiris, I love your posts! We're all supporting you and sending you energy to bring down the shrub!! Even though we're all gentle, loving, peaceful people there comes a time when we have to take action! You go, girl!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:39 PM
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145. Thanks! And welcome to DU.
Reality is what you make it, people keep telling me. So I'm trying to imagine a reality in which I get my fifteen minutes to point out the atrocities on t.v.
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:58 PM
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146. Thanks for the Welcome
Thanks for the welcome, but I've been lurking for about a year (since the so-called election). I takes awhile to get up the nerve to post.

Regarding the shrub, don't do anything that might put you in danger or cause you pain in your life--we need you too much and he's not worth it! My guides say everything will work out. Unfortunately, they also say things have to get worse before they will get better to ensure that nobody like Bush ever gets in office again. Who knows what that means. But we all have the strength to live through it, because we chose to be here during this time.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:25 PM
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150. Karen Kwiatkowski - another possibility
To find out who she is and what role she plays, take a look at this discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5104506

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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #150
151. have you seen this DU thread?
link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5104506

Regardless of how far reaching Fitzgerald’s expansion goes, there is an extremely good reason for his investigation to grow in this direction. It is simple. Karen Kwiatkowski. Some might call her missing link that could implode the Bush administration’s house of deceptive and treasonous cards.


Original post at Huffington Post:
link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-wheeler/plamegate-and-the-missing_b_9146.html
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:54 PM
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152. Do you know of any pictures of her?
I saw that thread. Interesting. I'm wondering whether she's blonde. A lot of people thought the woman would be blonde based on certain tarot cards that came up.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:19 PM
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153. She was in the DVD "Hijacking Catastrophe"
I think she did have blonde or light brown hair.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 09:42 AM
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154. here's the picture I could find at Wikipedia-
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 09:43 AM by lavenderdiva



its hard to tell if she's blonde or not, as the lighting may be tricky...
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 02:58 PM
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155. Could it be Ann Coulter?
News coming up that conservatives are turning on her.
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