oh my gosh...........

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7912158

I know it is annoying to just provide a link. But this is about the Catholic church, and possible demons in the Vatican. It has a picture of the Pope in the thread, and someone commented on his eyes.

I hope I am not offending anyone here, but I gotta say I just did an energy scan of the Pope through this picture, and not.good.at.all!!

Anyone else?

[Sanity Claws]

1. Tell us about the energy scan

I'm a former Catholic and am quite appalled at what has come out about the church.

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4. Lots of blocked chakras

Honestly chakras are to me about the easiest and most reliable things to test by distance. Other stuff I can screw up, but results on chakras so far seem reliable.

Anyway, one or two chakras being blocked is almost par for the course, but three or more, uh, that gives me the willies. I am not sure exactly what it means, but I definitely do believe in demonic possession, and yes, people can deny it if they want and it helps them, but there are just TONS of negative entities (or pieces of information) that just love to attach to people, especially at energy centers.

Anyone else getting anything?

[NuttyFluffers]

34. i feel the same about seriously negative entities... :shudder:

others like to think the universe is this big happy kindergarten classroom, filled with love, naps and warm juice. and in a way it is. however, not everyone is on the same page -- there are predators out there, and deeply self-absorbed entities rebelling against life, the universe, and everything.

i got the willies from Pope Benedict XVI when he was first confirmed. that first impression hasn't gone away. and i still remember Sylvia Browne's prophetic impression during Pope JP II that the next pope would be the last pope for the RCC. considering the level of scandal involved as of late, and the sheer unpopularity the new pope fosters, i wouldn't be entirely surprised that he is the "last pope of the Roman Catholic Church."

i do not see that the church will evaporate. but i sense the level of dissatisfaction will likely revamp the RCC in a way that it has to respond to its laity and change so substantially that it will no longer be the church as currently understood. i'm thinking this scandal might get rid of the medieval requirement of priestly celibacy. it might even force it to transition to more liberation theology ideals. or maybe our space family comes to earth and reveal their connection to religious development, and the RCC loses its old control. honestly, who knows at this point. but the dissatisfaction is palpable inside and outside the church.

[get the red out]

2. Wasn't he a member of the Hitler Youth?

I know that sounds really rough, but it is true. Sometimes people grow up and don't change, but find new ways to pursue power. I know a devout Catholic who has had bad feelings about this Pope from the start. Of course the Pope claims he was forced to join the Hitler Youth, but does not deny membership:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/5314338/Dont-mention-the-Popes-Hitler-Youth-past-says-the-Vatican.html


I am so disgusted with organized religion that I just think they are all demons, at least figuratively, with the cruelties they (not just the Catholic hierarchy but most big religious hierarchies) bring into the world and have put on the world for millennia.

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8. I do think I remember that

Demons could have attached back then and never let go. Who knows?

[get the red out]

23. Many people's lives were destroyed by the Nazis

And many people in Germany hated them but were forced to go along, what if he WASN'T one of them who was really forced? Or decided their ideas would eventually help him gain power? That's what I wonder when I look at this man.

[Kind of Blue]

9. Pope B really got on my nerves in the last few years.

I mean the man was insulting Muslims in effort to bring about mutual respect. Just astounding. You'd think he'd remember the atrocities visited on the world by the church and be more mindful of his statements. But that said, I'm glad the outrage he caused has led to lots of interfaith dialogues. Sure would like to hear the results of those :eyes:

[rumpel]

13. I believe it is true

that children were forced into the Nazi Youth, because my mother was, too. Towards the end of WWII, when the Germans knew they will not win, rather than have the children be captured they ordered them killed. They assigned specific people to each child. In my mother's case it happened to be a person, who told her to run and run fast and far. People need to know, that the Nazi's shot anyone on the spot in the streets, if they even uttered a word against the Führer.
I can not even begin to imagine the constant fear people must have endured..

[Delphinus]

15. Oh, rumpel,

I've never heard that and I'm so glad you told us this part of the story.

[japple]

20. I have a dear friend who is in her 80's now. She was a member

of Hitler Youth because, as she said, "we were never taught anything else in our schools." Her parents were killed in the war and she had to take care of her younger brothers and sisters. After the war was over, she earned her teaching certificate and taught in Dept. of Defense schools in Germany. She later immigrated to the US where she worked hard to get her PhD in Special Education. After all these years, she is still hesitant to talk about those dark years, even to those of us who are her friends. She has done so much for so many people over the years and there is a Special Ed scholarship in her name in the college where I used to work.

[OneGrassRoot]

27. I have a similar story....

of a friend in his 80's, a member of Hitler Youth. I can't imagine the horrors.....

:cry:

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21. yes, we had a friend from Germany

His parents did not discuss their political beliefs around him during the war, because if they had, he could have told someone at school, and that would have been the end!

[Kind of Blue]

3. Oh, they make me sick. Pass the buck and shift the

blame on to the devil - not that I'm making excuses for the devil. I've read how extremely difficult it is to even get permission for an exorcism and now they can just blame the devil tout suite.

[Celebration]

5. LOL!!

I'm not sure it really works to blame the devil in this case. I mean, what good is the Church if even the Pope doesn't know how to keep out of the reach of the Devil?

It's not a very good advertisement!! :rofl:

[Kind of Blue]

7. OMG, I've been keeping up with this series on BBC

America called Apparitions about this exorcism-loving priest who the church is sooo mad at :crazy: I'm like leave the man alone, these people are possessed :scared: Then I saw Stigmata the other day (good priest vs. bad priest) and how the church was even trying to prevent the release of the - get this - The Gospel According to Christ himself! :rofl:

Yeah, they should have exorcised it from their own house first that would have been much better advertising. I just don't get how contrary they are of their own practices.

[Sienna86]

6. Another former Catholic that is disgusted

I quit a long time ago. The church intentionally chooses to protect abusers and totally disregards the safety and well-being of children. Several of the nuns and priests I did respect during school years eventually left the church also.

[JanusAscending]

10. Correct me if I'm wrong.....

but I vaguely recall reading, or hearing something to the effect that this will be the LAST POPE?? It was right around the time he was "installed". I have no recollection of where I heard it (or read it) Anybody else ever hear this? I've never been Catholic, but I did admire the last Pope for some reason, and had an immediate dislike for this one....just a "gut" feeling!!

[Sanity Claws]

11. One more to go

per the prediction attributed to St. Malachy.

[rumpel]

14. Me, too - I had an immediate dislike, too

and I kind of liked the previous pope, I think he tried to do genuine good.

What I heard is that inside the Catholic system, just as with politics, there is a lot of intrigue, back-stabbing and leg pulling to gain higher status..after all, they are just humans, like anyone else, and come in all sizes and shapes.

[Cleita]

18. I personally think that the progressive Popes in the last century, who

died suddenly, were murdered, especially John XXIII, who was really trying to modernize the Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_XXIII

It's just an uneasy feeling I can't shake.

[rosesaylavee]

28. What I thought interesting was all the stuff the last pope got passed

the week he was dying and this current guy was 'helping' him out. No one does drama like the Roman Catholics. If it were a mini-series, no one would believe it. (Former Catholic here and 12 years of parochial school)

[Delphinus]

16. I'm a long ago ex-Catholic

and really have no use for mainstream religion. I can't say I admired John Paul the 2nd, but I didn't dislike him. Ratzinger, on the other hand, looks to have something quite sinister about him.

[PADemD]

29. The book, "The Last Pope"

The Last Pope: The Decline and Fall of the Church of Rome : The Prophecies of St. Malachy for the New Millennium (Hardcover)
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Pope-Decline-Prophecies-Millennium/dp/1862042020

It's a good read. The last Pope is supposed to be Petrus Romanus.

Maybe this Cardinal?

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/cardinali_biografie/cardinali_bio_turkson_pka_en.html

http://www.modernghana.com/news/245446/1/cardinal-peter-turkson-heads-vaticans-peace-office.html

[FirstLight]

12. I have had a problem with this pope since he came into power

History of Nazi-Youth, among other shady things...b ut yes, his eyes and demeanor remind me of the Emperor in Star Wars...deformed by evil.
I try not to give things of this nature any energy, and I try toi dismiss monsters and demons and evil in MY reality so it doesn;t get near me...bu If I were to say that evil lives in this world, there are a few people who I think just emanate it. And that man is one of them.

When he was made Pope, I thought about the "end times" in the bible and he just felt like the Beast himself - pretening to be a leader for the church and really doing horrible things in the back room. :shudder:

[Cleita]

17. All you have to do is look at his eyes. n/t

[Sanity Claws]

19. His eyes

I immediately notice his deep set eyes with dark circles against them. I also viewed them as evil. But why? Have we bought Hollywood's stereotype?
Or is there something else we are picking up? Why do we consider those eyes evil?

[japple]

22. Photos of him are just plain creepy. Consider this:

[Sanity Claws]

25. I agree

His appearance creeps me out too. But why? What are we picking up?
Do you remember we had a face reader who used to come here? I wonder if she could explain what it is about him that creeps us out.

Also, that is one weird looking hand gesture. Why does his thumb have that indentation on it?

[PADemD]

30. Or This

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://theczech.wordpress.com/2009/01/24/pope-allows-anti-semitism-a-bigger-place-in-catholicism/&usg=__BjjPoNqDqiBIOLd_S-T2qNinWCs=&h=265&w=378&sz=93&hl=en&start=42&itbs=1&tbnid=F1e1B6QQeZB-0M:&tbnh=86&tbnw=122&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpope%2Bbenedict%2Bxvi%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

[japple]

37. "You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch...you've got garlic in

your soul, Mr. Griiinnnch!"

[crikkett]

36. That's a weird hand. Notice thumb and forefinger

any palmists in the house?

[MorningGlow]

24. Completely agree with all the posts on this thread

Ratzinger skeeved me out the minute I saw him, and no, not just because of his looks, but what's behind his looks. I've always gotten the feeling that his appointment was completely political, not divinely dictated, and the intention is to return the Church to more conservative values (see his views on birth control, etc.--all from the 19th century!)

Here's another little tidbit for you--did you all know that Ratzinger was keeper of the last secret of Fatima and provided the milquetoast interpretation of it? And remember when nobody believed the revelation of the third prediction (that it was about the attempted assassination of the pope, and had already happened by the time the third secret was publicized)? This is just speculation on my part, but I've always thought that he lied about the third secret, publicized some bogus thing in place of the real one, and his reward for toeing the party line was getting to be pope. But again, that's just my opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_Fatima#Third_secret

[get the red out]

26. I think "Fatima" was UFO related

I think the Fatima was all UFO related and that the Pope and the Catholic Hierarchy know it. They have been coming out all peachy in recent times concerning the potential existence of other civilizations in the Universe, and going so far as to say the existence of "Aliens" is not against Church teachings. Fatima. They know.

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31. Wow, very cool speculations, you guys

Thanks, you two may be on to something!

[BlueIris]

32. FWIW, I did a meditation on when Pope Benedict will leave the papacy, and got 2015.

The year I see in my brain is 2014, though.

I also asked my pendulum when the "last pope" will be appointed, and got 2029.

[get the red out]

33. Interesting....

If he passed in very late 2014 they might not produce a successor until early 2015.

[MagickMuffin]

35. Well with a name that begins with the word Rat in it just proves.....

If it walks like a rat and squeaks like a rat, it is a RAT!


I just watched Angels and Demons a couple nights ago, which I thought they didn't devote enough time to the history of both the Illuminati and the church.

Also started watching The Tudors and I'm now got caught up with the current season. The Tudors made me curious about the Reformation and the "church", which lead me to research the different periods of history at conflict with the "church" and how the "church" dealt with the situations. The "church" was involved in suppressing information from the earliest days, they gained control + power and vowed to keep IT at whatever cost. History has shown us all at what cost some civilizations paid, the ultimate price of losing their culture, and in a lot of instances their lives.

When religion is used as a weapon against ignorant people, the ignorant people pay the price of being willfully ignorant. Without the desire to learn about ourselves throughout history and have the wisdom to comprehend that most all religious teachings is understanding that the individual is responsible for their own Spirituality. Religion can't offer anyone their Spirituality, it can offer them tools to use, but it is ultimately up to the individual's choice on how they deal with their Spirit.

Back in the day, I saw the Exorcists at the drive-in. My friends and I shared several "herbal" cigarettes. Well, I thought the movie was rather silly and laughed throughout the most absurd parts. I guess my response to the movie was probably not what was intended and that the demons would be out to "get me" and not being catholic no priest could "save" me. :rofl:

Of course in the end it is MY responsibility to purge my own demons. A priest doesn't have the ability to cast out my demons. Only someone who is strong enough to deal with the inner conflicts we mortals experience on a daily basis know the difference. I have successfully purged demons all my life, it's called having a Conscience.



I have other baptist church experiences I had as a child if anyone wants to hear. But I'm sure we ALL have some pretty interesting stories about this topic.