Any astrologers have thoughts on the current right wing threats

[Matariki]

of violence and brick throwing?

Do you think it's in any way related to the US's Pluto return?

What's the exact date on that? Next year?

[Matariki]

1. To answer myself - found this while searching for the exact date(s)

http://2012rising.com/article/pluto-capricorn-americas-birthday

<excerpt>
Pluto’s changing house is considered a bringer of upheavels at the level of entire populations. Although Pluto urges change, its initial effect on conservative power blocks can mean they clamp down massively and impair civil liberties on a massive scale. At the level of the general populace, it brings about a desire for a revolutionary sense of greater self-responsibility. Pluto is spoken of by some as bringing the urge for facing life’s dissatisfactions, and providing the energy to process this fully.

...

his is why then that it can be seen as both a harbinger of radical and difficult changes, yet also a positive catalyst for the inner substance of humanity. The next 15 years in which Pluto visits Capricorn are projected to be of great import for America in particular of course. many Astrologers predict that nation will never be the same again. Some new form of global superpower will replace American global dominance by the end of this journey through the astrological house.

First comes the tightening of the reigns by the outgoing old guard, then the fall of an outdated mode of governance. The end of illegitimate political forces such as Neo-Conservatism and Global Elitism could be just around the corner.

[ricochetastroman]

5. the racial tension

is also being "aggravated" by the Uranus opp. to Uranus of where it was in 1963 when the bill passed.

[Kind of Blue]

6. I'm glad you responded because the first

words that popped into my mind and I'll quote you, "Look for major turning points in politics with 'those who want to move forward (Spring)' and the knuckle-draggers who want to insist on 'status quo' and straining to bend evolution back to the 50's."

Even being so warned, it's still a kick in the gut but the blow is not as severe if not specifically warned about this.

[ricochetastroman]

8. Yes, even though we've seen it coming

and it's going to go on for quite awhile, it does "help" to know what's in store (kinda) and understanding its underpinnings.

[OneGrassRoot]

10. I'd really appreciate guidance as to how to handle this....

The racial tension specifically. I get very emotional about this issue and don't move through and rise above "with love" as I should.

I can't ignore it; silence is consent.

How do we deal with racists and bigots with grace, to shine light and lead the way with love?

I probably need to read books about how leaders in the Civil Rights Era handled this.

I'm truly at a loss, but I need to find my way with this really soon.

:hug:

[Kind of Blue]

16. Well, believe me, when one is directly

on the receiving end, foresight can be a cushion.

[HOLOS]

7. NYC Astrologer Anne Ortelee investigates High Anger & Passion this Week:

at the bottom of page in her Mundane section...refers to fiery volcano under the ice (Iceland) as appropriate for times.
www.anneortelee.com

[Helga Scow Stern]

2. The equinox and stationary Mars being in aspect to the Saturn-Pluto square?

The USA Pluto return isn't for another decade at least, but Pluto in the sign of the return has got to be stirring up the forces already.

[ricochetastroman]

4. true

it is stirring up stuff building towards the massive Pluto return

we've never encountered one before, every 256 years

[ricochetastroman]

3. Today

the Sun got to within one degree, which is when it triggers, square to Pluto. It's more of the same ole.
No, this has nothing to do with the coming Saturn return next year or the Pluto return in about 12 years.
This is the tension Pluto has built just by being in Capricorn added to by the Square of Saturn having entered Libra
10/28/09.

Much of the tension was manifested by the 08-09 Saturn (right wing) opposition to Uranus (left wing) during the past two years.

[Matariki]

9. want to make any predictive guess as to how it will play out?

civil war? death throes of the knuckle-dragger world view? something in between?

[Helga Scow Stern]

11. I can't help thinking something new will emerge

out of the tension. Maybe we'll get glimpses of it starting in late May and early June when Uranus and Jupiter move into Aries for a peek.

[ricochetastroman]

14. EXACTLY!

something NEW will emerge! Let's start it all over and do it right!

[ricochetastroman]

13. You can't predict

what WILL happen. Since we have free will. However, the cards are on the table, we put them there, and it isn't pretty. Tensions will mount until the "revolution" starts 5/27. It will be good and bad, small and big. Hopefully, we'll remember LOVE which is the only true revolution, ala Mr. Gandhi.

The others are just scared and calling for help. :hi:

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. I'd like to add two cents regarding the energy of things..

as I'm not an astrologer, but I do now see the wisdom involved as it continues to match what I perceive...

The veil is lifting. We are in greater and greater responsibility, which can be called Feedback. You get back much more of what you put out. The "old boy's club" finds that the old techniques aren't working so very well, anymore. People are awakening to the need for Change, and the increasingly positive world energy assists the direction of our desire for change. BushCo showed us a bit of how dark it could get if allowed to stand unchallenged. The health care bill passing is the first major event signifying the success of change, and the focusing of the positive path.

In this energy, that which a thing is, increases. The old guard will try and try again until we >>push back<<...and this time, actually make a difference, to have success in the old struggle against greed and hidden bullies/money/resource structures. Know how many businessmen are shuddering at the potential loss of their health care insurance scams? They'll attempt to make the old way continue to work. And, things being clearer these days, it will appear Ugly, at its true level of ugliness, which makes it easier and easier for people to reject it and to unify in seeking positive solutions. The bad acts of the old guard will inspire those who seek something/anything better. Finally. The passing of the health care bill empowers many who did not expect change to occur. There is an increasing energy of Change, of excited curiosity regarding how much further it can be taken, and what the benefits of such might be.

Things are indeed getting started. Any ugliness will work against the ugly. Remember that as a balm against the actual ugliness. Even the beloved Lotus flower grows out and up from the detritus at the bottom of the pond....both the top and bottom of the pond must be there for it to work at all.

As energy is increasing and our own reactions/perceptions are increasing, when hit by ugliness, remember to immediately get into positive work. Stay out of "that's terrible!" etc. and stay in the light. It's important.

Cheers!

[ricochetastroman]

17. Man, you don't need to be an astrologer

I couldn't have written anything that accurate! Well done! :hi:

[JanusAscending]

18. Well done is right!!!

We seem to be getting more "in tune" with each other here recently! Almost like tuning in to each others thoughts and feelings.....as we are feeling them!!! It's happened three times for me today...in differant posts here.

[Fire Walk With Me]

21. Definitely. The sensitive will find this more and more.

And will celebrate all the more :)

[OneGrassRoot]

19. I second that! :)

:hi:

:grouphug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. I don't know, Rick. You continue to blow me away in regard to timing.

:hi:

Being able to accurately track the planets (massive energy sources) and to deduce the actual meaning and specifically, the timing, impresses me. Late last year I posted (at least in my 2012 blog) about what to look for in 2010, and things are proceeding as surmised, in a general fashion. But in regard to that-- you have stated that in May "the revolution begins". I have sensed the increasing crush of the "get out and ACT" energies, surmised that Iran and other regimes will find trouble, but remember that what I do is often ephemeral. I am impressed by your specific dates and features. I read your posts and greatly appreciate them.

As time passes I will be able to refine my abilities (long since only used for survival) in order to be more specific, but don't be surprised- I enjoy and appreciate what you do, and what you can do. When I add to a thread like this, attempting to only do so for specific reasons, I feel that I am only reinforcing what has been said. Cheers!

[ricochetastroman]

23. Like wow dude

that is one nice message! Thanks much, keep at it. Astrology IF DONE RIGHT is incredibly accurate; you just have to be an obsessive maniac like me to do it.

And, there is so much in charts that I look at that I have no idea what it means. :hi:

[Flying Dream Blues]

22. Thanks for that FWWM...

it is so hard to stay in the light when all of this scary ugliness is all around. And yet, true progress will be made in its wake, as history has shown us.

:hi: :hug:

[ricochetastroman]

24. I was just talking about this this morning

it's because we're nervously groping in the dark in completely new, unbroken lands.

How demanding to a society that has been so lackadaisacal for so long

And, MSNBC.com shows a pic of Obama visiting the troops
I'm sure he'll get shit for doing that by the reps too. :hi:

[u4ic]

25. I think similarly

The earth is (literally) shaking us out of our complacency, to wake up (not that Haitians or Chileans need that, but for us to unite and access our own humanity and compassion and reach out to those who desperately need it).

Lots of raw energy about, but some don't know how to use it, to direct it towards a positive path/outcome.


"We're nervously groping in the dark in completely new, unbroken lands". Personally, I can sooo relate to that quote.

[FirstLight]

12. Can we get a reading on APRIL 19th...?

I don;t have a good feeling about that gun event... :scared:

[northernlights]

26. not an astrologer, but the Feds area obviously on it

Weekend multi-state RAIDs on militias on Saturday and Sunday, in Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, possibly California. With the overwhelming force that was used, I find it hard to believe they were based on selling "pipe bombs." I'm less concerned out big events, which will be relatively hard targets, than random, less predictable attacks on soft targets. Also, a freeper (of all people) threw out the suggestion of violence against churches by mideastern-appearing people that could incite violence against Muslims in the midwest. This was based on an odd incident at his church last week. Understand, too, that some of these people have actually written about how facebook enables them to communicate anonymously :rofl: They really are not very bright.

There is also now the sunken S. Korean ship, just days after N. Korea said it would strike in ways that would be unpredictable. And now a bomb in a Moscow train.

Bottome line: the coming outbursts are bigger than one date and bigger than the U.S. although we may, astrologically be a target for it. I wrote weeks ago that if I were a volcano, I'd be sputtering and spewing right about now. A couple weeks later, one Iceland volcano erupted and there are fears the big geologically related one will blow. I wrote in my thread "expect violence" because I was picking up on overwhelming amounts of rage and that the big one will blow soon. On that same day, Annie Ortelee published an email from an astrologer friend of hers in Iceland that he expects the big one to blow. He put a date of June 6th on it, based on the astrology. It's a major one that caused major weather changes, drop destruction and fatalities from a gas cloud in Europe the last times it blew.

At a more personal level, my immediate neighbor at work has been passively aggressively attacking me for months, in concert with our boss. They picked Friday -- within a couple hours of my informing my boss that my sister was dying -- to launch an open attack. I am now on unofficial written warning (unofficial because I didn't really do anything wrong, but cannot prove it because you can't prove a negative, esp against a false witness who is politically protected) and set up for an official warning and firing. Now that my neighbor is officially on record as my enemy, though, I can put her on the big IGNORE so she can't harass me any more, so she inadvertently relieved me from a nasty daily stressor. I already have taken to keeping my reference materials locked up after key documents disappeared off my desk. Gee...wonder how that could have happened, lol? It doesn't matter. I'm actually looking forward to going to work today for the first time in a loooong time. My multiprong strategy is already in place :D

We just need to keep deep breathing and visualizing and radiating peace. That is about all we can do.

[MorningGlow]

27. Will this help?

More at this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8041197&mesg_id=8041197

I realize that these eedjits can be dangerous--I would never downplay the possible threat of ignorant, angry racists with guns--but perhaps if we laugh a bit more we can drive away the boggart. "Riddikulus!" :D

[FirstLight]

28. Boggart=perfect analogy!

I'm with YOU! "riddickulus!"

Loooove the visual it brings to my mind... like watching beck grow long red hair and makeup and a dress!~ :rofl:

[northernlights]

29. riddikulus is right

:D

[get the red out]

30. Oh God, militia at our state capital

I am suprised my sister didn't tell me about these kooks, she lives in Frankfort.

They just look like idiots playing GI Joe.

I really think the Universe is drawing cartoons for our reality now, everything is just silly. I believe something is just waiting on us to wake up and notice we've walked into a dimensional Disney Land and we need to find our way back through the turnstyles and leave.

[ricochetastroman]

32. OH GOD I LOVE THAT LINE

"They just look like idiots playing GI Joe." :rofl:

[JanusAscending]

33. Scary stuff huh?

I'm this > < close to ratting out a cousin of mine from PA. who is a retired Baptist "fundie" Preacher, who is now making his living making Hand tooled leather holsters for handguns (the concealed type of course) No telling where his website might take the feds! I don't have it now, but could get it if I tried...They say that blood is thicker than water, but I'm not certain that applies in these times!! I have had to eliminate all of my fundie relatives from my life..I can't even talk with them anymore! It's really sad, because being an only child, family was everything to me and my cousins were like the brothers and sisters I never had. P.S. His mother , my Aunt, recently wrote me a letter saying that business was booming, and he can't keep up with the orders!! Now that's some scary shit!!

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. That which a thing is, increases.

The GET OUT AND DO SOMETHING energy has all of us working for what we believe in, even if it is destructive. Those who want the positive or even the status quo will be more and more offended by those who may work for destruction. This in itself will bring the change we are driven to work for. There is no more hiding. What we believe in will become more obvious to those around us, for better and worse.

Just remember that there will be more of everything as the energy increases. This of course means that it will be easier and easier to get into the positive, especially when the negative beckons. It's simply a choice, and these muscles will strengthen the more we use them.

I can more easily sense the joy and excitement which has been given to us, if we choose it. Our birthright is present if we wish to REACH and grab it, and to hold on for a wonderful, wild ride. :)