Ascension and Fifth Dimension

[Sanity Claws]

I have read Karen Bishop and similar writers about ascension but apparently I don't get it. Could someone explain it to me or refer me to a book that explains the process to someone like me? I'm not stupid but I've had a traditional education with the emphasis on the material aspects of the world, not its spiritual.

My inquiry today is sparked by a radio reading I had yesterday. I was feeling totally out of it and not well enough to do anything but rest. I called into a psychic radio station and asked what she (the host) picked up. I thought she was going to do a medical intuitive reading. Instead she told me that I just had a heavy download and my etheric body had grown. I'm between the third and fifth dimensions.

What the hell is that? Also, what happened to the fourth dimension? How do we jump from the third to the fifth? See -- my logical mind is still at work.

BTW, today I feel urged to clean the Earth. The urge hit me so much stronger this morning. Related??

[MorningGlow]

1. Well...

I did a lot of research for the topic when I wrote a magazine article on 2012. I gave the link to a lot of ASAHers; if you need it, let me know, and I'll send it to you via PM.

Basically everyone has a different interpretation of what "ascension" means. Some people think it's like a New Age version of the Rapture, where "worthy", properly enlightened people will flicker out of this (3-D) existence and into another dimension (fifth, the meaning of which eludes me in this scenario).

Other people think that ascension means that we will continue to develop our higher senses (psychic ability, healing talents, etc.) through and beyond 2012, in time form the Shift (but then there's that pesky question of whether the Shift has already happened, is in the process of happening, will happen in the future, or BLAM will happen in one particular moment on 12/21/12).

Other people think that ascension means developing our highest potential, one person at a time, and not to any prescribed time limit, altering our spirit body until we become a "new type" of human--closer to what we perceive as our higher selves/what we know as "gods". Some believe that this change includes a literal alteration of our DNA.

Full disclosure: Personally I disagree with the "Rapture" type interpretation, and I know a lot of people in the NA community who also disagree with it. My former elder did believe it, and that was one of the reasons I left the coven--her Catholic past was creeping into her pagan teachings, especially the guilt. She was always freaking out about how we weren't "ready", and we had to do special spells or special meditations to ensure we were advanced enough when the time came.

So...if we don't wink out of existence, what happens? There's a theory that as we create our own reality in the future, this means either physically separating ourselves from lower vibrations (literally moving away from teabaggers and the like) OR continuing to exist side by side with lower vibrations but being completely separate from them--like..."you've made your bed, now you lie in it, I can't help you anymore if you are going to live in a completely different reality." I know that sounds callous, but it's not. If we all choose our own reality, then some people are going to continue on the path of traditional fear-based religion, ultra-conservative (selfish "I got mine") politics and social interaction, etc., and some are not. The ones who choose not to live in fear will actually have a pretty nice existence.

The one thing that most authorities believe is that in the future we will NOT experience a post-apocalyptic world with a collapsed economy, destroyed infrastructure, political chaos, and people being forced into tiny communities living off the land and fighting over potable water. SO CAN WE ALL GET THAT OUT OF OUR HEADS RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE, SO WE DON'T MANIFEST IT?! (This has been a public service announcement from the Don't Panic Committee. ;) )

My opinion is that we have been going through this Shift gradually and are well in the middle of it, if not already in the final stages of being squeezed through the birth canal toward our new reality (hence all the pain right now). I also believe that we can use writings by people like Karen Bishop as guidelines, but we can't follow them to the letter, because we're all evolving at our own pace, and these writers can't speak for all of us collectively. Also trouble--if we read one of these messages that says where we "should" be at any particular point in time, and what we "should" be feeling/experiencing, but we don't feel that way at all, we're more inclined to feel inadequate, because we're "not there yet", which is hogwash. If we're awake and aware, we'll get there. We're all doing just fine.

Okay, that was a lot of information. Hope it didn't muddy the waters further for you, SC! It's just a subject that's near and dear to my heart. :)

[Sanity Claws]

2. Please PM with the link to your article

Thanks for the thoughtful response, MG.

Maybe my confusion is due to these different interpretations regarding what ascension means. I don't believe in a New Age rapture. Hell, I didn't believe in the Christian Rapture either.

BTW, did you ever figure out what the fourth dimension is and why we are skipping it? All these writers seem to talk about the fifth dimension with nary a mention of the fourth.

[MorningGlow]

4. I will do that--check your PM in a few

As for the dimensions, lawdy, I tried to understand it, and I just couldn't. But that could be my own mental blocks--when it comes to dimensions and such, my brain tends to shut down. I hope that someone else who does understand that kind of thing chimes in on your thread, because I'd like to learn more about that aspect myself!

[Sanity Claws]

6. Thanks

Now that I clicked on it, I remembered seeing your link to the articles before. I find it very hard to read on line because of its format. I 'll try printing it out and see whether that makes it easier to read.

[MorningGlow]

8. I might still have it as a PDF, too

If printing it doesn't work, I can send you that. :hi:

[Sanity Claws]

15. I read it

Interesting.
Lots of new stuff for me. It'll take a while for it to sink in for me. Thanks!

[teenagebambam]

19. I would love a PM to that link as well!

[MorningGlow]

27. Sure thing

Check your PM in a few! :hi:

[Celebration]

3. FWIW

I would have the same reaction to the radio reading. What the #($%&* happened to the Fourth? I'm a numbers person and believe me, I am not interested in skipping over a number.

Personally, the gulf oil gusher has me unsettled in the extreme. My hubby keeps asking what the heck is wrong with me. I have a sort of paralyzed feeling and badly, am more characteristically cynical than usual, and need to snap out of it.

[Sanity Claws]

5. I've been thinking of doing Reiki for the earth

I need to go to Reiki 2 and then I'd like to join groups who want to focus on cleaning/healing the earth.

I don't know what good that will do. I hope it will at least raise consciousness of our planet's needs.

[Celebration]

9. I'd like to give the whole earth an exorcism

And I'm angry enough to try it, consequences be d#$%^!!

[Delphinus]

18. I hear you, Celebration.

:hug: :hug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. You might wish to stick with bringing light and the changes it creates

versus praying/working directly for Earth to be delivered from evil. Darkness can still bite back, so pray the light, for God's will for Earth and Mankind, etc.

:hi:

[Oak2004]

20. The fourth dimension is time

One way or another, we, the bits and pieces of this universe, when our motion is summed up over four dimensions, move at the speed of light.

Photons (i.e., light) are stationary with respect to time, and so are compelled to move forever forward at the speed of light in space. On the other hand, we baryons of the cosmos move freely at whatever velocity we choose in space. As a consequence, we must forever move forward in time at the speed of light (minus the paltry sum of our velocity in the other three dimensions, which unless we're a particle in the Tevatron or the LHC or some similar place, can for the stuff on this planet be rounded to zero).

That's what Einstein has to say on the matter, anyway, and as of right now experimental evidence agrees with Einstein's theories of spacetime.

It is for this reason it became a habit among metaphysical people in the 20th and 21st centuries to refer to the state beyond physical reality as the "fifth" dimension. I don't know if, back before Einstein, some metaphysical people called it the "fourth" dimension, but I am guessing they did.

This brief physics lesson was brought to you by your resident former physics and mathematics major.

[OneGrassRoot]

21. Wow, physics and math major....

Thanks for this contribution! I'm gonna call you Yoda from now on.

;)

:hug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

23. Dimensional nomenclature is of course different in physics than in metaphysics.

The rules of the gross physical world do not apply directly to that of the true dimensions (remember that Spirit is the source and the destination, and the physical an application of density in which to learn specific lessons). The same manner in which there are actually five elements, but they do not quite function as one would expect from their sole physical, mechanical roles.

Look into lucid dreaming for a study and experience in the mental plane, which is part of the true world. Immortality is gotten through maintaining awareness in that realm through and after death, the reduction of the elements in the body and the associated lights as they dissolve. Lucid dreaming is a good start along these lines and a good introduction to causality (and how that relates to the "physical" world.

BTW, are there still 11 "physical" dimensions defined in the physical sciences?

[MagickMuffin]

7. The way I read / see this is...........

You are BETWEEN the 3rd and 5th, so the 4th is still part of the in between. Look at it like Planets, she could have said you are between Earth and Jupiter, Mars is still in between the two Planets, Earth and Jupiter, so she isn't inferring that Mars (the 4th dimension) isn't a part of the scenario. You are in between the the 3rd, 4th and 5th dimensions. ( I hope this makes sense )

[Sanity Claws]

13. Yes that makes sense

However, I still haven't fully grasped what it means to enter a different dimension. Why not just say that we are developing latent talents?

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. Ascension AFAIU it is about moving into being a physical being who has

completely transcended the need to reincarnate upon Earth, or at least into these dimensions for the related learning lessons. She has mentioned that many have moved into a new Universe above this one and that several stay on Earth to act as "Earth Angels" for the planet and those who remain.

So far as I understand it.

The Fourth Dimension is "Love", and the lessons therein. This involves guidance/being a guide, community, inclusion, nurturing, healing, and that level of enlightenment. Perhaps (I'm not sure) leaving duality and its related struggles. Sending love to all things, equanimity. I wonder if the mention of the 4th Dimension in the Anonymous literature is indeed aligned with what I am describing...it certainly is about love, selflessness, etc.

The Fifth Dimension is regarding genius and the Wisdom Mind. Connecting to it allows access to major spiritual libraries and also downloads/imprinting of significant amounts of information. Correlation, juxtaposition, helixing...creativity and a huge perspective. When a human taps into this, they tend to leap from A to L or even to Z, fully understanding the interim positions but not being bothered with their work/workings. It can also mean such intuitive leaps without necessarily understanding the interim positions yet still being correct regarding outcome itself. This is also where spiritual students may blend their mind with the Masters, to learn directly (and I do mean Directly).

I have heard it mentioned a few times in different places that "Autistic" children chose to incarnate that way in order to anchor the higher dimensions, and that their particular feats of inexplicable genius are the result of such higher dimensional practices. This makes sense to me but I in no way am approving of this perspective, and have empathy for them and for those who love and care for them. However, if this is true, it is a wonderful thing, very giving.

All I know about the sixth dimension is what I have read-- that the dolphins and cetaceans and whales are the caretakers of the sixth dimensional matrix on Earth. I don't know if that is true, but considering the huge brains on those animals, and their decision to live in joy and play...they certainly must be more advanced than us! (I am reminded of a Bizarro cartoon, a two-panel, with a man in the left side, at a desk way past normal work hours, sweating and straining over a stack of paperwork, and on the right, an ape peeling a banana, leaning back against a tree, with a huge grin. The caption is something like "Guess which is the stupid ape." :)

Congratulations Sanity, this is a good thing for you :)

[Fire Walk With Me]

12. Also, the Fourth and Fifth Dimensions proffer Universal Rights and Equality.

[Sanity Claws]

14. Thanks for the explanation

What is AFAIU?
I'm not sure I understood your explanation so I will reread it again later. Sometimes things take a while to sink in.

[Ruby the Liberal]

16. As Far As I Understand (I think)

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. Yep!

[Celebration]

22. Was it Elizabeth Joyce?

I heard her on Coast to Coast last night, and she talked about going into the Fifth Dimension. Now, I always thought the Fourth Dimension was time too, but she said that she worked in the Fourth Dimension to remove entities. I listen to about everyone I can when they start talking about entity removals, but I have to say she had some "different" ideas. By the way, if it was this person who told you that you are going into the Fifth Dimension, well, she thinks most ALL of us are going into the Fifth Dimension. Since I remember the musical group, Fifth Dimension, from the early 70s (and even had an album!) this gives me a smile.

When she said she thought the Gulf Oil disaster was a terrorist attack by North Korea, and that there was a coverup about it, I sort of didn't put a whole lot of stock in what she was saying. Of course, people *can* be both spectacularly right and spectacularly wrong at the same tim.e

[Fire Walk With Me]

24. The dimensions may be entered by anyone practicing their associated characteristics.

There are loving people on the planet, characteristic and part of the Fourth Dimension. Like attracts like... The writings of the US Founding Fathers is indicative of the characteristics of the Fifth Dimension, among other things, such as varying levels of genius and intuition.

Of course, if you are strongly 3rd or lower Dimensionally, you won't have much luck making any immediate transitions to the higher realms...thus the need for purification and spiritual living.

BTW, I've always been interested in the "chemistry" a group of musicians may experience and express, especially when improvising onstage. When the group becomes of service to the music itself, and the result is greater than the number of persons involved...or a great actor absolutely, effortlessly nails a role. This is contact with the higher dimensions, and interaction through it.

[Celebration]

25. The Fifth Dimension

Everyone has heard this, LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EegRh8Z4H-o

[Fire Walk With Me]

28. Rick will have to be the one to expound upon the Age of Aquarius, not me

;)

[laylah]

26. Do dimensions=planes? nt