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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:20 PM
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Question for users and fans of Bach's Flower Essences.
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 10:56 PM by BlueIris
I had what felt like decent success with Bach's Walnut last month--that's the one the bottle recommends for dealing with and adapting to major life changes. So, since that worked so well, I've been using Bach's Larch, recommended for improving confidence and self-esteem (mine could use some work--yes, it's part of a long-term psychological healing process, I'm not just relying on these items). It's been less helpful. Does anyone who uses these products have a rec for a different essence that helps with this issue? Has anyone tried Bach's Vine, for instance (it's label recommends it for enhancing leadership qualities, which I think of as the best outcropping of good self-esteem)? Just curious.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 12:35 AM
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1. Improving Confidence and Self-Esteem
First, let me address the "less helpful." It may just be that you're not seeing the changes as clearly or that the changes are more subtle so far or that the changes take a little longer, etc. Plus, it's like peeling an onion, even for a specific issue. If you achieved what you considered good success on this right away, you'd still find yourself probably coming back for more help when you were ready to reach a higher plateau. The woman whose class I attended lo those many decades ago had a saying she repeated frequently, and it's the one thing that really stuck in my mind: "Trust the process." She also told us that it's possible for something to worsen before it improves -- which can also happen with many other types of alternative healing, including homeopathy, etc.

You might consider sticking with Larch a bit longer, or don't forget you can combine essences into one formula -- up to 5 (actually more when you're quite used to using and picking them). Odd number of essences (3 or 5) are said to enhance their action while even numbers (2 or 4) supposedly soften the effects. ALSO -- perhaps you know all this -- POTENCY is based on frequency of dosage, not how many drops you take at one time. 2 - 3 drops are sufficient, and there is no limit to how often you can safely take them (because they are totally safe and benign, of course).

For Bach, what I might suggest you look at and consider adding include:

Centaury - Difficulty saying no, people-pleasing
Cerato - Lack of confidence in making decisions, turn to others for input.
Chestnut Bud - For one who repeatedly makes the same mistakes and never learns from the past. If you repeat the same destructive patterns of behavior and/or relationships.
Crab Apple -- Poor self-image, esp. physical condition or appearance
Gentian - If easily discouraged by small problems, doubt yourself and feel depressed.


But actually, I'd be tempted to move away from the Bach and go to Flower Essence Services, which is the other line most likely to be available at some healthfood stores or they have a pretty good presence online. For me, they seem to pack a quicker, more obvious wallop. :D I don't have their entire catalog handy, but here are some that I have in my notebook (and some of these are going to seem less directly applicable than others, but I'm includig them anyway so you can see the range of possibilities, and maybe find some that apply -- self-esteem is a BIG subject, with many, many facets!):

Baby Blue Eyes -- Childlike innocence and trust; feeling at home in the world, at east with oneself, supported and loved, connected with the spiritual world.

Blackberry -- Exuberant manifestation in the world; clearly directed forces of will; decisive action. (It's also an energy tonic. I put this in my water bottle if I'm going to be doing something physically challenging or tiring, like a long day of shopping, etc., and it works beautifully. Sublte, but definite if you're paying attention.)

Calla Lily -- Clarity about sexual identity; sexual self-acceptance, balance of masculine and feminine qualities.

Cayenne -- Fiery and energetic, inwardly mobile, capable of change and transformation. (Cayenne is also an enhancer for FE formulas -- helps boost their action and efficacy.)

Corn -- Alignment with Earth (grounding! Often useful in a lot of situations where one might not automatically think of it, or think of it first).

Dogwood -- Grace-filled movement, physical and etheric harmony. Imbalance: Awkward and painful awareness of the body; emotional trauma stored deep within the body (which can often be part of the cause of the poor self-esteem).

Golden Ear Drops -- Contacting one's childhood experience as a source of emotional well-being; releasing painful memories of the past. Imbalance: suppressed toxic memories of childhood; feelings of pan and trauma about past events which affect present emotional balance.

Indian Paintbrush -- Lovely, energetic creativity, exuberant artistic activity (this is esp. for artists and any/all creative pursuits)

Larkspur -- Charismatic leadership, contagious enthusiasm, joyful service

Madia -- Precise thinking, disciplined focus and concentration

Mallow -- Warm and personable, open-hearted sharing and friendliness

Oregon Grape -- Loving inclusion of others, positive expectation of good will from others; ability to trust. (This one is an old standby for me. I almost always use it when I'm going to be doing something with strangers, whether giving a talk or workshop, as I used to do, or meeting a bunch of people who are strangers, etc. It ALWAYS helps me not just expect "good will from others" but to receive it as well. Amazing stuff.)

Pretty Face -- Beauty that radiates from within; self-acceptance in relation to personal appearance. (I've found this one quite powerful as well. They all are, but this one is especially wonderful when needed -- when feeling old, ugly, fat, whatever.)

Rosemary -- Warm physical presence; embodiment; vibrantly incarnated. (Hah! Who couldn't do better at all that?) Imbalance: Forgetfulness, poorly incarnated in body, lacking physical/etheric warmth; higher ego forces which are not integrated with the physical body.

Self-heal -- Healthy, vital sense of Self; healing and beneficent forces arising from within oneself, deep sense of wellness and wholeness. (This is another that's good to add to a formula for many different things. When one is physically ill, it helps the body raise its own subtle energy for the task of healing. You simply feel more capable of DOING the healing, more directed and focused and more healing in much the same way, only it may be not as noticeable.)

Trumpet Vine -- Articulate and colorful in verbal expression; active, dynamic projection of oneself in social situations. Imbalance: Lack of vitality or soul force in expression; inability to be assertive or to speak clearly, impediments in speech.


I'm sure there are many others. Another I'd recommend, NOT from either of these two lines, tho, is Freedom From Fear by Angelic Essences. I believe you can google for this line as well. This is an incredible essence that I wouldn't be without, just as I wouldn't be without Rescue Remedy.

Good luck! Come back and let us know how you/they do. Remember: Trust the process. :-)







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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:30 AM
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2. Thanks. That was a LONG list, there. :-)
Just one thing, though:

"(because they are totally safe and benign, of course)"

I strongly feel that anyone using any of these products needs to be careful, as careful as they would be with any other thing she was putting in her body. Bach's Flower Essences are 37% alcohol. That issue alone means people should exercise caution when using them.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 12:03 PM
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3. Oh, goodness.
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 12:13 PM by Eloriel
You take 2 - 3 drops per dose. It would take a LOT of damn doses to have the alcohol affect you. Further, you're supposed to be diluting the Bach essences into a dosage bottle, which you can (and usually should) add some alcohol (and could add less) OR OTHER PRESERVATIVE (vinegar will work, or a couple of drops of colloidal silver) to prevent it from becoming a science experiment --

OR you can refrigerate the dosage bottle between doses.

I strongly feel that anyone using any of these products needs to be careful, as careful as they would be with any other thing she was putting in her body.

OR, put them ON you instead of your mouth. They are VIBRATIONAL medicine, not tangible, physical substances (tho the alcohol -- or vinegar or CS or shiso -- is certainly tangible and physical). Aside from the alcohol, which I addressed above and which I find incredibly minimal as a potential threat, there is absolutely nothing in them that can hurt you in any way. If you pick the wrong one(s), they simply don't have any effect at all.

Your concern reminds me of a little piece in a woman's magazine some years ago snickering that Aunt Lydia's herbal preparation of whatever type had "x% alcohol in it," as if the alcohol were the "cure" in her little bottles of herbal tinctures. No, the alcohol extracts the various constituents from the herbs and preserves them, so that one can take just a dropperful and get the benefit of a whole pile of herb. Handier, less storage space, lasts longer, possibly even more efficacious. Theirs was an ill-informed, irresponsible and unnecessary slam. (Edited: I'm not saying your concern is "irresponsible, etc." -- just that thinking about it caused me to remember that from years ago.) As a publication, they needed to have done their research. Anyway, I am currently taking an herbal tincture and a whole dropperful or even two of herbal tincture in 100% vodka (made them myself) has no effect on me whatsoever re the alcohol, beyond a bit of the typical alcohol temporary harshness when it hits my tongue.

i don't think you need to be concerned -- unless you're allergic to alcohol, and even then there are several viable ways around any harm.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 09:31 AM
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9. Dogwood=progress.
Thanks, Eloriel!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:01 AM
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12. And, the key: Gorse/Gentian.
I'm really feeling better, more confident and less afraid since beginning to work with these essences. Strange, since they're for "hopelessness" and "despondency," not so much the issues that I thought I needed to rid myself of.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:02 PM
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13. Actually it makes sense
Gentian is for giving up easily and gorse is for expecting failure (hopelessness). So if you keep on going, don't give up easily, and have hope in the outcome, you have sort of bypassed the confidence issue. Well done!! These remedies really can make a difference, and I am happy you have found the right combo.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:37 AM
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14. I confess, there's one more.
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 04:51 AM by BlueIris
Star of Bethlehem. That has *really* been helping this week, especially since the figures about Katrina's death toll hit.

I've also found that it helps to make sure they're properly dilluted in a big pile of water. I'm not allergic to the alcohol they're in, as Eloriel asked about above, but I do have, to quote a great American, a delicate system.

Anyway, thanks for the great advice, everyone. I think I've got my essence questions sorted out for now.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:30 AM
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22. Star of B
has been one I've been attracted to. Just to 'get over it'.

Thanks. I think I'll go get some.

Rescue Remedy is a standby. I've used Wild Oat to try to focus on what the heck do I need to do now. They work.

Great thread.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 03:28 PM
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4. In addition to what has been suggested
I think you might try aspen which is for a generalized anxiety. That may underlye some of the low confidence issue. Hornbeam is another to try for making you feel stronger and more willing to take risks.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 03:55 PM
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5. I just passed on some Hornbeam yesterday.
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 03:56 PM by BlueIris
In favor of Rock Rose (courage). But I will consider Hornbeam the next time I'm shopping.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:02 PM
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6. Okay, Hornbeam is in my possession.
Looking forward to that.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:14 PM
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7. I would definitely suggest aspen
I see it as that vague, unsure feeling that people get. I use it a lot in my practice. Rock Rose is more of an emergency remedy, as far as I know. It is one of the 5 in Rescue Remedy and is usually for terror. I'm glad you got a hold of some hornbeam.

Good luck with the remedies. They are amazing.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:49 AM
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8. Aspen. Check.
You know what's weird about the essences, for me? I, honestly, have come to have a great deal of respect for the effectiveness of various herbal, natural and homeopathic aides, but--I was very skeptical that any of these substances could help me at all. The fact that they feel as if they do have some measurable impact on my mood and spirit is kind of baffling.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 09:50 AM
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10. They work energetically, like homeopathy
The results are often almost instant. I think aspen may be the key one for you.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 10:36 AM
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11. Okay. It can be on my shopping list for later. nt
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:35 AM
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23. They are amazing
and I don't understand it either.

RR has been effective so many times. Not just for me, but for friends who had to go to court or other trials and situations.

Once I had to drive a mountain road. I was nervous. RR saved the day. Made everything okay. And it had nothing to do with the alcohol content.

We are blessed that caring people discover and provide the fruit of the earth for us.

And so it is.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:58 PM
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15. Okay, that's it! I HAVE to try this!
Any suggestions for a TOTAL newbie? Where can these things be purchased? Are they very expensive? Do you use them singly, or can you mix them?
How often do you use them?
Lots of questions, where should I start?

Thanks!!!
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:01 PM
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16. I picked my remedies by passing my fingers over the bottles of
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 06:02 PM by DemExpat
remedies in a box.....choosing 4.
I have not forgotten the experience 23 years ago, or the names of the ones I vibrationally picked -

Hornbeam
Larch
Agrimony
Chestnut bud


In a small bottle with pure water and a few drops of brandy I dropped a couple of drops of each remedy....from this I would take a few drops of the mixture and drop into a small glass of water and take sips of this throughout the day.

There are many good books on this, so I would check out a few from the library to get started, NB!

Or just nose around on this site:
http://www.bachcentre.com/

:hi:

DemEx

edit: I prefer picking remedies this way, for when I read to get advice, I find myself thinking I need them all....LOL :silly:

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:11 PM
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17. That's very interesting.
I hadn't thought of doing it that way. I sort of had that problem for a bit--thinking I needed them all--as this thread indicates.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:15 PM
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18. Thank you, DemExpat! That site is most helpful!
I saw some of this product, or a simlar one at the local metaphysical store - I will be visting them very soon. I will try your method, as it sounds like it would work for me - wonder what i'll choose? I can't wait to get started!

Thanks, again!

:hi:

NB
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:58 PM
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19. I would suggest reading the short descriptions of each remedy
If you can't find the book, try the interent. I am sure they must be listed somewhere with the brief description of each. Try and narrow it down to about 4 or 5 that really sound like you.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:19 AM
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20. Tip: don't forget the cayenne!
Without cayenne, the essences are sort of hit-or-miss for me, in terms of whether I can really "feel" them. A few days ago, I started eating these chips with cayenne in them...big change in the impact of each blend. Now, see, if I'd just listened to Eloriel and Nancy and not skipped that part, things would have gone much more smoothly last week, but no, I had to ignore the wisdom of my elders...
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:24 AM
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27. Good luck, and have fun with it, NB.
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 03:24 AM by DemExpat
Maybe I too will try a couple of remedies again.

Thsi thread reminds and inspires.... :D

DemEx
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:49 AM
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21. Also, for the future:
I think I've got my formula down for now...but can anyone recommend an essence for helping me reconnect with my muse? I need to finish an artistic project I've been blocked on--major interference since about mid-August for some reason--and this morning, the little tingle of meaningful inspriation returned. I'm trying to fan the fire. An essence may or may nor help me do that, but if anyone knows of a good one for this issue, that would be great.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:41 AM
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24. Wild Oat I think
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 09:43 AM by votesomemore
And for the cayenne ... I have a bottle of the herb. It goes on just about everything I eat. Have even turned on a friend to doing the same. It is GREAT for digestive issues. It gets things going. And adds some spice to life. Oh Yah.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:59 AM
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25. Thanks!
I wouldn't want my muse to feel neglected.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:21 PM
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26. I have a little cat that was abused before we got himand is really nervous
I rub 4 drops of rescue remedy on his fur when he gets wound up. It really does help. My husband gets it dropped in his mouth all the time too, and when they both get to me I take it myself.

Cayenne... I love the stuff. I take capsules for my acid reflux. It works better than losec. I've never heard of using it in conjunction with the flower remedies.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:34 AM
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28. Letting go and being more considerate of others--Willow and Water Violet?
Or would other essences be better?

Here's what happened: I'm trying to let go of the last of some serious anger and resentment about things that happened in the past--mainly, a bad boyfriend, and I actually have some friends who are kind of pissed and hurt that I haven't been able to do this yet...and keep "sharing" the pain. They've actually asked me to stop hanging around them until I get those issues sorted out. Which is fine. I read that Willow is the essence for dealing with letting go of "past injustices" and "moving on" and that Water Violet is the one you should use if you're trying to "develop warmer relationships with others." The thing is, warmth isn't my problem. Lately, being aware of and considerate about the feelings of others is. I really had no idea my friends were so put off by my self-absorption about this. Also, the Water Violet is kind of speaking to me. Thoughts?
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