Astrologers Only: Earth Signs Alert! Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn .

[KoKo]

We are in dire distress. Emergency! We are sending and "SOS" to DU Astrologers...can you tell us WHY we are so distressed.

I understand that most DU Astrologers are Mundane Oriented...but there's something really bad going on with US Earth Signs. We need HELP ASAP..

Can anyone help us? Can you empathize with us? WHY are we in such distress...what IS IT?
Please...

[Sanity Claws]

1. Air signs not doing too hot either

I'm a gem with libra rising. Life has been really bad for almost two years now. Most of the air signs I know have serious financial, career issues.
What's the problem for earth signs?

[BlueIris]

2. This earth sign (Taurus) is being driven up the wall by sun in

Virgo. Before that, my major issues were with Saturn in Cancer. When Saturn moved into Leo, things got better for me. Life still sucks a lot, but Saturn in Cancer was brutal for me. It scooched into Cancer and my whole life fell apart. As soon as it hit Leo, it was like the proverbial weight weight had been lifted from my shoulders. But right now, sun (and Mercury) in Virgo have turned me into a cleaning machine--unusual for me, and very, very irritating.

[Cathyclysmic]

9. Me too!

I was counting down the days until Saturn in Leo got here, being a Taurus with natal Saturn in Cancer. Life has been beyond words great lately.

[pippin]

20. Yeah, that's true

My dear buddy who is a gem with, are you ready, leo rising and moon in cap has had an AWFUL time. Everything that could go wrong has done so for him and a lot of it had nothing to do with anything he actively sought! :-( So my sympathies gemini!

[woodsprite]

3. Fire signs aren't doing too good either.

Everybody I know is having health issues - from little 4yos to people in their 70s. Couple that with all the stuff that's hitting the fan politically and I am beside myself.

[hippiechick]

4. No kidding ...

I'm a Leo and not only have I injured myself SEVERAL times over the last couple weeks (from a smashed knee from falling off my bike to cutting my finger trying to prune flowers, and many other bruises in between) ... but domestic/financial stuff that I thought was dealt with and put to rest, has flared up and hit the fan in the past 5 days.

I think the Universe is trying to right itself, and it's going to be a bumpy ride for all of us earthly inhabitants for quite awhile to come.

:scared:

[KoKo]

6. I have weird nicks and cuts on my legs I'm having to explain to folks are

from not "trimming my cats claws." These damned nicks and cuts are showing up for NO REASON! I look down and there's some damned thing on my leg. I'm a very realistic person...there's something going on here I don't understand and as a Virgo "Harpy" (as some like to categorize us) I need to know WHY...WHY...Why is all this stuff happening. I'm a careful person...I read astrology sites and try to understand...but I'm out of my understanding right now as to WHAT's GOING ON!

WHAT IS IT?????

[KoKo]

26. I figured out last night cuts and nicks on my legs are... Cat Scratches!

scratches! I've spent so much time online reading about Katrina that I had forgotten my Siamese has these two claws on one her back leg that have always had rough edges and she's been annoyed at all my time on the computer and has been jumping on and off my lap constantly. Every time she does that that little back claw has been scraping and it's just enough for me not to feel it like a regular cat scratch but enough to leave a little scrape.

I figured it out last night and trimmed those back claws. I've been so distracted I'd forgotten that those two claws need the trim.

This happened when I had a big project and was on the computer quite a bit about a year ago and she got annoyed and kept jumping up and down. Going back I remembered that I had the same thing on my legs sort of like if you go on a hike and you get branch scrapes. It was her claws.

So...didn't want to alarm anyone..It took me some thinking to figure it out and I was so worked up I guess i thought I had a mysterious disease..with these little nicks and scrapes on my legs. I guess i'll give up wearing the 3/4 slacks that are in fashion or remember to trim her claws more often...Ugh.

[Why Syzygy]

15. Leo here

A friend did a personal 'karmic' chart reading for me earlier in the year.
He assured me .. AUGUST will be a big boost! The beginning of great things. I sure could use that!

However, August was a bitch! I did a suicide intervention for a neighbor. Another friend went berzerko on a self destruct mode. He's okay now, thank goodness. Had a wonderful annual visit with my one and only child. Found a new hobby. Tubing down the rivers here. Did not get any of the job offers I thought were happening.
So. I did not see the 'big boost'. Unless you count the spiritual growth I believe I achieved.
Just say 'no'. I'm there.

[Eurobabe]

52. Yeah me a Leo too, August SUCKED!

My grandmother died. But things are turning a bit this month, looks like I am escaping this country to Europe again. Will be smarter this time, keep a residence here & abroad.

I've been having health issues too, hives, thyroid acting up, damn Saturn in leo!!

[KoKo]

5. There's terrible distress...maybe you who have posted have "transits"

or signs opposing yours which are in "Earth Signs." I understand that our DU Astrologers need birth times and all that...and most are Mundane (Big Picture) Astrologists...but there's REAL SUFFERING OUT HERE.

Where is someone who can give us a General Overview of our Sun Sign and offer help, explanation so that we can hold on and hang in.

PLEASE! Are there any Sun Sign Astrologers who can just give us a "glance" without that birth time stuff? I know it's important..but still someone out there must be able to help us with just "transits, moons, planets even if we are in the forefront of our sign or close to when the sign moves into another one.

Please! Some of us don't have our exact time of birth. Dotty Doctors who didn't write it down or we were born at home and no one seemed to notice til later. What are we who need our charts "rectified" supposed to do in this terrible stress.

I'm trying to tell you that Earth Signs and those with Major Planets in Earth Signs are in TERRIBLE DISTRESS.....!!!!

[Why Syzygy]

16. lol

Sorry, but you are cracking me up.

"no one seemed to notice til later"? LOL!

A suggestion: go to http://www.astro.com .. they WILL insist on a birth time. Give it your best guess. I know my alleged birth time, but it puts me at Leo rising. I feel I fit Cancer rising much more. If I change the time by about 7 minutes, I get Cancer. So who knows.

You need a detailed chart to determine the answer to your question. It cannot be answered with a sun sign only.

When you get the chart at astro.com, play around with the time until you find the rising planet you think best fits you. They have a great section about transits, personalized for your chart.

Take care.

[KoKo]

25. Thanks for the info. My sense of humor is often taken as quirky....

but glad I gave you a laugh.. :D I had my horoscope done by a professional astrologer many years ago and she had me as a double Virgo with my Moon in Cancer. All anyone could remember was that I was born when the "sun came up" so I think she put me around 7:00 a.m.

I'll try that site and see what I come up with. I have alot of planets in Leo because my birtday is 8/27 and maybe the stress is from Jupiter in my Leo planets. I don't know. Those online horoscope Sun Sign sites never seem to work for me when I read Virgo...but reading Leo doesn't seem to work either. :shrug:

Thanks for your reply.

[nickinSTL]

36. hmmm...interesting

I'm a fire sign, and right now...I've got a number of minor annoying health problems. Nothing serious, but annoying, nevertheless.

[SpiralHawk]

7. what about the poor water signs?

will no one pity thier plight?

OMG

[KoKo]

10. I can't help you...can't help myself

I live with a water sign who is fine...stressed but fine. Earth SIGNS...DISTRESS..MUTABLES in MEGA DISTRESS.....!!! Or, at least, this "Mutable, Earth" is.

[FreedomAngel82]

41. I'm a water sign myself and know how you feel

This whole past two weeks I've been getting annoyed easily with people and just popping emotionally. Sometimes I feel like just bursting out and crying and staying in bed all day. Since I'm a cancer I'm a moon child and used to mood swings though but nothing like this. It's a bit more then usual.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

43. Hugs to you SpiralHawk, I know how you feel.

:-(

I have never felt so dense and disembodied at the same time.

[Cathyclysmic]

8. As a Taurus with a Capricorn moon...

I have no f**king idea!!! I have been a mess for a week. Took some time off of work. My mom and My hubby are worried to death. The last time I was this depressed , I was dealing with the death of my dad and a good friend and getting off drugs. My life is great now...so why do I feel so whiny and blue?


Ok, I take that back. I have a theory, but I can only speak for me. The hurricane was the final straw.

I know everyone right now in GD is enjoying the thought of impeaching chimpy with the latest laundry list of failures. Just like every other failure of this administration, we wait for the american people to open their eyes and notice that we have a horrible leader. But,it never happens. Rove swoops down and saves the day. Faux news come up with some absurd theory that people lap up. And then people forget and go buy shit at Walmart.

Every.Freaking.Time.

And what is sad is that this time will be no different.I have come to the realization that chimp is made of teflon and his whole reason for being on this planet is to destroy this country. I really think the United States has turned a corner we can't go back.We are no longer a super power and chimp has achieved his neo-con dream of going back to the days of imperialism.

Just a theory....sorry if it's too:tinfoilhat:

[KoKo]

11. I know...we all think it could just be Hurricane Stress...it's deeper..

I think...I think there's something we need Astrologers who have some familiarity with Sun Signs to help us.

IS THERE AN ASTROLOGER IN THE HOUSE? SOME OF US NEED THE MEDIC ASTROLOGER who's ON CALL...

I don't do this kind of call for help ever, here on DU...hopefully someone will hear my and others call and can give some kind of perspective on this. For me it goes before Katrina...this distress. A couple of weeks. :shrug: There's something out there....I feel it in m bones..and I do have some psychic stuff that alerts me.. and keeps me on balance, usually. But THIS I'm having trouble dealing with.

And Virgo's can't deal with not having some sense of control...so some of us Virgo's are really :crazy:

[BlueIris]

17. I'm a Taurus with a moon in Capricorn, too...which scares me to death

because it's in the second house. Like Hitler, and Barbara Bush. I'd always feared that it would predispose me to detatchment and eventual emotional ruin...I didn't realize that as another Earth influence in a major part of my chart, it may be significant in that it's predisposed me to whatever the heck in up with Earthies lately.

The hurricane is a final straw of sorts, I believe. But in my humble opinion, it isn't THE final straw for America. It isn't the point of no return. We can still survive this, we can rebuild. Long-term.

Just a piece of unsolicited advice, here: if you're feeling that emotionally sapped over Katrina, which is totally understandable, take a huge step back. We can't rebuild--as liberals, Democrats, progressives or citizens, if we don't have the true desire to do so.

[Cathyclysmic]

23. Don't be too hard on yourself

I have my Saturn in Cancer, just like chimpy. So we are both emotionally cold and have an addictive personality. I hated this part of me before I knew chimps had the same aspect.

[NEOBuckeye]

32. I'm also a Natal Taurus Sun with a Natal Moon in Capricorn

Seems to be quite a few of us here! Anyway, I'm not really feeling any worse than usual, though I am working something like 80 hours a week now between 3 jobs. With Saturn transiting Leo in my Second House and a secondary progressed Saturn also in my Second House, I seem to have no money with it all going towards bills and college debt. I'd be a total tightwad right now if it weren't for my progressed Mars, also in my Second House. Mars may be able to attract money, but doesn't hold onto it for very long at all. Saturn, on the other hand demands thrift.

I feel every bit like I'm working like mad and getting nowhere for it. My Saturn Return is drawing nearer as well.

[kma3346]

40. Another Taurus/Capricorn reporting in

I'm a Taurus with moon in Capricorn (there certainly are a lot of us here!) and I agree. I've been so stressed, on edge, depressed, and upset lately. And I believe it's mainly because of the political crap that is going on, and definitely what has happened and continues to happen as a result of hurricane Katrina. I've even been having some chest pain as a result. I went to the doctor and they though it was esophogus-related, but I'm going in for a treadmill test to be on the safe side.

I'm quite appalled that Hitler and Barbara Bush also have this sun/moon combination. But I also want to say that not all of us with this combination are emotionally detached. I'm too emotionally attached to everything that is going on and that's why it's getting to me so much. In fact, I was thinking of keeping away from DU, Daily Kos, and some of my other favorite sites because I feel like it's contributing to my angst, but I just can't seem to keep away!

Hang in there everybody, Earth signs and others. I think things are going to get much better eventually.

[Why Syzygy]

18. Was discussing this with a friend

The whole nation has been traumatized. Yes! Poor NOLA and her inhabitants. My friend is volunteering in her apartment community to relocate some of them. It did not just affect one town. It impacted all of us. And especially the shoddy 'relief' efforts of our 'government'.

I still have hope. I know too many people, including here at DU, who will NOT stand for any more bs from FUBAR.

[Pathwalker]

12. The Sun is in Virgo , Mercury(!!)

is in Virgo and they've been in OPPOSITION to URANUS(accidents, sudden changes, upsets). Mercury is leaving the OPPOSITION now, but The Sun is close to exact, making it's influence stronger. The Sun will enter Libra Sept. 22.
Mercury in Virgo excites the brain, scattering thoughts, making it easy to get lost in the details. But it goes into Libra on the 20th, so just hang in there.
Quite honestly, your extreme distress could very well be to what that Astrologer wrote about Hurricane Katrina (I posted a thread on it), where he stated that the fires of EARTH - EARTH SIGN'S RULING PLANET - are burning; the EARTH has awakened and it would make sense, to me anyway, that Earth signs would feel this energy the most intensely.
How connected do you Earth signs feel to this world? Do you feel you are more in tune with this planet's energies than others? I ask because I only have one planet in Earth(Saturn in Virgo - I'm cleaning whatever isn't moving, too!), but it keeps me here. So, I'm wondering if those of you with more than one planet in Earth signs are feeling this double and triple???

Also, those of you who are empathic are no doubt absorbing a lot of the distress of others, so that would factor in as well.

The MOON has been in Scorpio for the last two days as well, which has intensified everyone's every emotion. I assure you, this is true. Thankfully, it moved into Sagittarius at 10:05 EDT, so relief is on it's way!!!

Well, that's my two cents, I sincerely hope it helps!!!

PS: It's not just Earth signs, either. I'm Cancer, w/ Scorpio rising, and I've cried every day since the hurricane hit. Plus, my Aries husband hurt his back, and I spent the last two days driving him to the ER, and Doctors. I love him dearly, but he's a lousy patient.
The only good thing is that WE GOT NEW KITTIES! Two totally black, neutered male brothers from the Humane Society - it was their last day! It's helped a lot!

Does anything I've said make sense? or help?
I hope so.

:grouphug:

[KoKo]

13. THANK YOU! That someone finally showed up to help is a relief.

I did read a post about "earth on fire" throwing off energy here the other day. Maybe it was your post, and I apologize for not remembering.

I understand what you are saying and I have Sidney Omar's book he wrote before he died which was his "Millenium Astrology Guide." It was written to forcast up to when the Mayan Calendar ends, 2012, I believe. He did say that "Pluto in Sagittarius" would cause all kinds of problems for Virgos until 2008, and it's been a very rough time for sure for me since 2008 which also coincides with what I've read is a date that other astrologers said some planets moved and are causing stess and changes that will be with us for years for all the signs,but Virgo's would be the most stressed.

This year, though, had been terrible. Maybe it's Katrina but I've felt this whole year like "there's no future." :scared: I can deal with that...thinking it's just a funk to work through, but this latest started about two weeks before Katrina struck...a gloom..a sense of wanting to stay in my house and not leave. I cancelled a couple of events I needed to go to and a trip to an Anniversary Party with dear friends who live about 500 miles away...because I just didn't think that I cared enough to see them to drive all that way :eyes: That sounds so selfish but..I felt I needed to stay at home.(And, that's not like me) WEIRD..it's like my life is on hold. I can't do anything different from my routine...I feel stuck. Then Katrina Struck. That really sent all of us here on this site and everywhere into crisis, I know...but there's something more that I can't grasp about this.

From reading the threads here, it sounds like this terrible distress goes beyond just us Earth signs. And, since I live with a Cancer I do understand what you might be going through except I'm usually the anchor in our house and I'm so freaked out I just want to be in my hidey hole and can't seem to relate to anyone except my posting here on DU. My Cancer partner keeps trying to coax me out, and I can't budge but he keeps to a schedule with carefully planning activities. I can't stick to a schedule and freak out if anything is planned. I feel something else really bad is coming up...and that's not realistic to think given that there's already so much that we should be due for a break. How long can I keep my life on hold just because I think more bad is coming? It's just not practical. But...that's where I am, and why I thought it might just be a bad transit that needs to pass over and so I should "go with the flow."

Maybe the stress is so enormous that both of us Water and Earth are just reacting in different ways of dealing with it. :shrug: And, I understand what you say that some of us may just be more sensitive to all that's going on and feel it more.

Thanks...I'll think about this some more. And if it's going to pass on the 20 of September..I guess I can hold on and use that as a target date. Meanwhile :crazy:

[Why Syzygy]

19. This is not a personal attack

.. but .. if you are taking any medications, something might be producing the symptoms you describe here. I went through the same thing. For a year. I cut off all friendships and did not leave the house. For a year. I had been taking a medication which became unbearable and totally ineffective for three years. Then. I got to hide in the house for a year! Oh goodie. I did come out of it. I got back into the stream with more vigor than ever.

So I'm just sayin', consider every option here. Don't just count on astrology to answer, imo. Try some flower remedies or homeopathy. Ignatia is very good for loss and grief issues. I've seen it work wonders in people's lives.

B complex and calcium never hurt either.

Hope you feel better soon.

[KoKo]

24. No....I don't take any medications

I may need to take vitamins more regularly. Thanks...

[Digit]

14. I don't know where my planets are...but I feel their pain

Constant panic attacks, but I KNOW I MUST keep writing, being a part of the change. Not that my individual voice is heard or even matters, but heard enmasse, we have power.
The sadness, the outrage that I feel are overwhelming.
I write to CNN and MSNBC...I question, I agree and kick posts, I am speaking out loud and long to the point of exhaustion.
The pain in the pit of my stomach aches for these people....my heart feels like it will burst....my soul cries out for justice.

[pippin]

21. There is An Upside Taurus

. . .at least according to Susan Miller. :-)

http://astrologyzone.com/forecasts/monthly/taurus_full.php

[BlueIris]

22. I haven't seen much benefit to the alignments Miller mentions.

But good things could still happen--that full moon on the 17th is supposed to be good for me (May 14th birthday). In a social sense, though, which is strange. As I've posted about in other threads, socializing is not high on my list of priorities at the moment. Still, I'd love to hear some good news about money right now, as Miller indicates could happen around the full moon. I'm kind of poor right now and I'm the kind of Taurus that hates financial instability.

[KoKo]

29. I've found Miller is great with Cancer Sun Signs! Wonder if any other

DU'ers who are Cancer Sun Signs have found her "spot on" with her predictions for Cancers?"

On Virgo...IMHO ...she sucks...don't know why.. and don't have anything else to compare her to besides Virgo and Cancer.

Miller personally helped my "SO" through a terrible time with a job loss and what she said he should do WORKED and has WORKED SINCE...

But for me, as a Virgo? She's awful. Every day she Marks as the Best Day for Virgo's she says to "go out and Celebrate YOUR DAY" has ALWAYs ended up the WORST DAY for me in her forecast. :shrug: I finally figured out if Miller said to mark a certain day as a great DAY on Virgo Calender ...I should hide under the covers because I probably will be run over by a truck!

She may be very good and has been a total GURU for my Cancer SO in her predictions...but maybe us Virgo's just don't have the "right stuff" or our correct ruling planet has been discovered yet...as Linda Goodman said many years ago before she died.

As I said...I'm just a "general Sun Signs Person...and I know most Astrologers wouldn't give "Sun Signs" Stuff the time of day..:shrug:
Just as Nolle says...(If you come here for Sun Signs..don't bother..my read of what he says on his site, which I love) For all reputable Astrologers doing Sun Signs without time of birth is maybe a waste of their time...because they don't feel they can be accurate...but if we don't have an accurate time..what do we do?

[Sanity Claws]

31. I think Susan Miller is a cancer

Maybe that's why she's good for reading cancers.

[Trillo]

27. There are a few grand trines in Earth signs

coming up this month, might take some of the heat off, but they're also combined with a Yod.

Sun conjuncts Mercury in Virgo trines Chiron in Capricorn trines Mars in Taurus on the 17-18th September, making it a grand trine. We get a hint of this grand trine on the 13th, when Mars in Taurus trines Sun in Virgo trines Moon in Capricorn.

Mars in Taurus is also the finger of a Yod quincunx both Jupiter in Libra and Pluto in Sagittarius which sextile each other.

This latter pattern, Mars in Taurus quincunx Jupiter and separately Pluto, starts on about September 6th and ends about Oct 7th, but these dates are dependent upon the orbs used. The Moon triggers: Jupiter in Libra on the September 6th, Pluto in Sagittarius on the 11th, and Mars in Taurus on 21st. The Moon triggers Jupiter in Libra again on Oct 4th, but this time Mercury also conjuncts Jupiter in Libra.

A similar Yod starts on Oct 11th as Sun in Libra replaces the previous pattern's Jupiter in Libra, again forming the Yod with Pluto and Mars, this pattern ends about the 18th as Sun in Libra approaches Jupiter.


A different shorter termed Yod occupying the same signs or degrees with the shorter term grand trines is formed on the 30th September, the finger points at Uranus. This Uranus pointing Yod begins on the 23rd and several different planets act for its base in Leo and Libra, and the pattern of those degrees moves out of orb by Oct 3. Two curious dates associated with it are September 27-28, and the 30th of September when Moon in Virgo opposes Uranus in Pisces and hits the midpoint of Saturn in Leo and Sun in Libra.

Yods are where something seems fated, but trines tend to indicate a certain tranquility. Any entity with a natal chart planet near the degrees of these patterns will experience their energy more than others will.

Some of the United States charts are influenced by the Grand Trines, and I believe there's also a relation to the Jupiter placement of the longer term Yod.

[Nancy Waterman]

28. KoKo - double Virgo?

Could be that Uranus is opposing some of your Virgo: sudden upsets, all wound up, agitated, and hard to relax. It can bring sudden weird health issues that clear up just as suddenly.

Also possible is that some of your Virgo is getting a square from Pluto right now, stationary around 21 Sag. That can also put you through the ringer and make life seem much more intense. But I don't see anything that would generally hit all earth signs.

[KoKo]

30. That's what the professional Astrologer I consulted said

after she rectified my chart since I lack a birth time. I had this done in Princeton, NJ many years ago...her husband was a professor at Princeton and she taught astrology classes...so I have to believe she had some qualifications. Funny thing is that I remember when I went to get the results of my chart reading she had a blackboard up in the room in her house she taught in in downtown Princeton...and on the Board in huge chalk letters was "CHIRON! What Does IT MEAN!" I had no idea at that time what Chiron was about...and figured maybe her husband was teaching a science class on astronomy. :D I was SO Clueless!

Anyway...that was many years ago...and TODAY I "DO" know what "Chiron" signifies in Astrology...because I've always been interested in the Sun Sign aspect but been too lazy to do much about it...but, I have learned alot from reading here in DU on the Astrology Forum and elsewhere since then.

So..I'm a double Virgo with Moon in Cancer...and I have to say that it's a terrible time...and I'm in so much better a place than in any time in my life...so for this to be a terrible time is very puzzling.

:shrug: I think somehow it's because I'm a Virgo born so close to Leo...that might be where the trouble is? All those Leo planets with Jupiter going into Leo. Maybe it's the problem? Or maybe it's that Pluto in Sagittarius ...all that death and unearthing of secrets showing up with Vigo has me :crazy: Something in my 10th House according to Sidney Omar in his "Millenium" Book before he died. But, I can't figure out what my 10th House is? Dont' have the ability to figure it out!

Thanks Nancy!

[Nancy Waterman]

33. Any planets in the first 10 degrees of Leo

would be being hit by Saturn now. Maybe one of yours qualifies?

[KoKo]

34. Saturn in Leo. I don't know, maybe.

The astrologer was a Leo...she said when she viewed my chart that it was interesting that she as a Leo saw so much Leo in my chart as a Virgo. That was so long ago and I don't think I still have the chart she did to check out the degress in my 10th house.

I don't know what Karma cold be biting me...if it's Saturn in Leo that's causing me problems. My SO had Saturn in Cancer along with Bush and unlike Bush he's had an easy ride. He did follow Susan Miller's advice to him about different things he needed to do and it worked. Maybe he just lucky that Saturn shined on him.

I don't know what I could have done that would cause Saturn to come down heavy on my head. I've tried to reflect...and have to say that the Pluto in Sag. is the thing that's been unearthing all kinds of things in my past that I've had to revise my thinking on. Experiences i thought were good in my past on further reflection in the past few years seem to have been very bad for me although I thought, at the time, years ago, they were good. Folks I trusted (and, I'm not by nature an easly trusting person) have turned out to betray trusts and friendships...so it's been very hard. But, I was okay dealing with that for the most part..except for great sadness having to let go some "old beliefs" that didn't work anymore. I have a strength that's usually gotten me through some bad stuff in my life but my old Jupiter Optimism is what I seem to have lost. The astrologer did say to me that with lots of Jupiter I tended to always bounce back from the worst of things and that would always be with me since it was so strong in my chart. But this year and maybe even the last few years...I don't have that Jupiter zip that keeps me above water.

I'll have to try to dig out that chart she did for me years ago and see if I can figure out what Saturn might be thinking.

I've blathered too much about this...part of my problem..blathering with whatever is going on in my chart. Revealing personal stuff that's not like me and asking for help...not a Virgo thing...:D

Thanks for the tips, Nancy!

[loudsue]

35. Hi KoKo...Please check your e-mail.

:hi: I sent you a little note!

:hug: I hope you guys (my hubby included) in N.C. don't get hit by this next hurricane that seems to be heading toward the SC/NC coast!

Stay safe!

[BlueIris]

37. This sounds a lot like what happened to me in Saturn in Cancer.

Especially that whole trusted friends betraying friendships thing. I'm still very bitter about the losses I experienced during that time.

[loudsue]

38. Well....I looked at your chart.....

Well, I looked at your chart, and it's easy to see where the problems are coming from:

You have transiting Pluto opposite your natal Saturn.
You have transiting Saturn sitting on your natal Pluto.

This, alone, is called a "double-whammy", for obvious reasons. And Saturn/Pluto aspects, even when they're good aspects (which these are not considered "good" aspects), can be a handful.

To add to the difficulty, your natal Saturn is being straddled right now by progressed Mars and progressed Saturn, while Pluto is down there opposing the whole thing. (Ouch!)

AND...you have a natal Uranus/natal Pluto sextile, and a natal Mars/Uranus conjunction. So, while transiting Saturn is over there sitting on your natal Pluto, the sextile aspect of the natal Mars/Uranus conjunction is just giving it more energy and irritation.

Pluto/Saturn aspects mean that there are some basic structures in your life that are going through major transformations.

Your chart has an interesting component to it: ALL of your planets fall within 120-degrees of each other, so when one of your planets gets "hit", it has a domino affect that also brings in the other planets. (Kind of like: you can't run, and you can't hide.)

I have a serious recommendation for you: Head over to the Dancing Moon bookstore in Raleigh, and buy a book called Astrology, Karma and Transformation by Stephen Arroyo. Read the whole book, and study the part about Saturn transits, paying special attention to where he talks about Saturn moving over your personal planets. Over the next 5 to 6 years, Saturn will transit all of your personal planets except Mars (which it transited about 4 to 4-1/2 years ago).

The good news is that Saturn and Pluto WILL EVENTUALLY MOVE ON, and you'll have more breathing room. But the next few years will change you in several fundamental ways. You will have periods of peace and joy mixed in with the re-structuring, but there will be times, as well, when you're going to feel pretty darned uncomfortable. Right now is probably the MOST UNCOMFORTABLE part of all that, due to the double-whammy. The next few months will FEEL the most difficult, which you are in the middle of right now.

:cry: If you want to break down and cry, and rage against the unfairness of it all, I certainly do sympathize. :hug:

Look for positive ways that you want to restructure some things about your life and your thinking, since that is what this is all about. And know that you've been preparing for this time your whole life, even if it doesn't feel like it. These changes WERE GOING TO COME ALONG, for you to make decisions about, because these planets were always GOING to come to this place in the sky at this time. All these things come in their own time.

I hope this helped you a little bit with the feelings you've been having. I wish I could spend more time on this, but I've got to get back to work. You might want to make an appointment with the Astrologer "George" (can't remember his last name) that does readings from the Dancing Moon. He's VERY competent, and is an all around good fellow.

:grouphug: Hang in there! :grouphug:

[KoKo]

39. Thanks, Loud Sue,

I guess it's positive to have verification of how bad it is...but at least I don't feel guilty for feeling so out of sorts these days, when I read this.

Also thanks for the tip about the book...I'll check it out.

One question, though. If my planets all have that 120 degrees of separation, does that mean I've always had Saturn and Pluto working in the background in a not good way my whole life? In other words that there's something fated about that 120 degrees of separation that is always a bad omen in a chart? :scared:

Thanks...I'd always hoped that "Jupiter" that was supposedly in my chart would keep me going...so I wouldn't stay down...sigh. I used to feel I had a fairy godmother...now I feel it's a fairy hag..:-(

:hug:

koko

[loudsue]

45. Nope, not really, and yes.....

"If my planets all have that 120 degrees of separation, does that mean I've always had Saturn and Pluto working in the background in a not good way my whole life? In other words that there's something fated about that 120 degrees of separation that is always a bad omen in a chart?"

There is "something fated" in every chart, but every aspect has it's good/bad, easy/hard parts. Your chart gives you a LOT of focus, in order to achieve what you set your mind to. It also restricts you in some ways from moving out into other things. It can be a "rut" or a "focus", if you see what I'm saying.

Even the beautiful "grand trine", which is supposed to be lucky, or easy, has it's difficult side, as it can make a person LAZY when it comes to expressing those planets. Things can seem so easy that a person with a grand trine can just lay back on their laurels and not work at something, or not get much done. "Work", or effort, being what brings energy and form to the creative process. (You don't have a "grand trine", btw. I'm just using that as an example of something that has a reputation of being "wonderful", but also has its limitations.)

You are who you're supposed to be, with all of your gifts, and all of your projects to work on in this life. If we "focus" on the pain, we'll surely find it, in scores. That will turn into a "rut" every time.

Your Saturn & Pluto haven't always been a problem for you. If they had, you'd be more used to them by now, at your age. This (what's going on now) is something new.

:hug: Hugs!!! :hug:

loudsue

[KoKo]

50. I've been thinking about your reply...

and that "focus." What you said made alot of sense in that I can be so "focused" on what I'm doing in whatever project I'm involved in that I sometimes lose touch with what's outside. And, sometimes my focus can be so overwhelming that perhaps I exclude people or anything else that might distract me from what I need to do.


Most times, in my life the projects I've focused on have changed me, in some way,and moved me to a different place or changed my thinking and so those I had much in common with at one time, will not be able to stay through the change. This has been very hard the past few years because of a job relocation that was such a radical change that it was hard for me to be the same person I was before the move. That may be some of what I'm dealing with, and some has been because there have been so many family disruptions in my extended family recently that I had no control over but was forced to deal with by having to be involved in a way that wasn't rewarding. That might be part of "what's new" in that Saturn/Pluto thing.

My "focus" since 2000, though, has been on making sure that in whatever way I can...we never have another 2000 Selection and that ALL of what happened to our country and since with the BFEE comes out in the open and a major government house cleaning will occur. I've been obsessive about it. I feel like this is something I've waited my whole life to get involved in and that I knew it was coming..the BFEE. I've learned alot with my Bush obsession, though, and have loved everything except the campaigns. All the actions we here on DU have done and the energy and spirit we had here in the early days was very uplifting. Trying to change and work for good was to me a "noble cause" unlike George Bush's fake "Nobel Cause" in Iraq.

Lately I've felt discouraged and down about all of our efforts for change. I've wondered what more could have been done, and if nothing I've done has shown any results then perhaps I directed myself in a direction I shouldn't have. I have felt frustrated in all those extended family situations that I was forced to have to get involved with that have not had any positive results, too. So that's been a "double whammie" for sure.

Your reply really energized me, though. I think it was that I got so worried that I had a bad omen in my chart that I decided I was determined I was going to beat it. I wasn't going to let it get me. So, maybe what you said, was something I needed to hear. :toast: It was kind of a "kick in the butt" to my rebellious spirit not to let my planets show me their dark side. I'll pick myself up, dust myself off and keep going in some direction that will be more positive.

I haven't gotten to that bookstore yet, but will. Thanks for your help. :hug:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. Sun Scorp, Moon Cancer here and not doing so hot either. Maybe

my Mars in Virgo is doing a number on me???

[Mandate My Ass]

44. Sun in Capricorn, Moon in Virgo, Cap Ascendant

Lions and tigers and bears..oh my! It's been tough slogging and the Katrina disaster has just exacerbated it badly. :-(

[Chovexani]

46. I'm having a horrible time too

Gemini Sun/Taurus Moon/Virgo Rising.

I can't catch a fucking break...NOTHING seems to be going right, and I've been a wreck for a quite a while. Nothing I do seems to help. I've been fighting a real feeling of powerlessness and losing badly.

[diplomats]

47. Boy! Can I ever relate to your post!

I am a Virgo with moon in Cancer and Libra ascendant. I have always had excellent health but in March I had a detached retina and ever since I haven't gotten back my joie de vivre. The Katrina situation has depressed me so much. It's like I'm feeling the pain that's in the atmosphere.

I have high blood pressure and borderline high cholesterol. I take meds for the BP but I balked at taking Lipitor because of the side effects. The dr is monitoring the cholesterol. I'm trying to lower it by diet and exercise.

Lately I have had a pain or pressure in my right abdomen that comes and goes. I keep wondering if it is a side effect of the lotensin, the BP medicine. I went to the dr and they recommended a colonoscopy and blood test. I'm not looking forward to the colonoscopy, but everybody says it's no big deal.

I'm really concerned about the pain. Hope it's nothing serious.

[Crowdance]

48. Colonoscopy is like a nice nap

Prep isn't so great, but it passes. Go for the scope. It could save your life. It did mine.

[KoKo]

49. Let us know how it goes for you, Diplomats..

Wishing you luck! As the poster below said...it's the fasting prep that is a bummer. And, have the full scope...it saved my life, too.

:-)'s to you (((good vibes)))

[diplomats]

51. Thank you for your good thoughts.

I am feeling better as the week progresses. People are praying for me and it works! Cheers!

[FreedomAngel82]

53. I really don't know either

The last two years have been okay. I'm a cancer. I've been learning a lot and growing as a person and all that, but other stuff really sucks.