Astrologically speaking, does it surprise you to know that...

[Ricochet21]

Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck were born within one day of each other?

[Kookaburra]

1. Don't know enough about

astrology to be surprised by this, but does it mean they have the same sun sign and the same outer planet configurations?

Non-astrologically speaking, nothing surprises me about either one of them.

In fact, because I try not to think about either of them at all, to be surprised would be to have expectations about them to begin with.

[Ricochet21]

7. He has Moon in Cap, She in Aqu

but both have Neptune square their Sun (Commonly delusions of power)
She has a very exaggerated Sun (acts like Leo) on the descendant. It' ALL about attention for her.
For him, he wants his IDEAS to go down in history with Jefferson, et al

Yes, all their planets are the same except for the Moon. But, being in different houses changes things dramatically.
We don't have a birth time for him however.
He is clearly mad.

[Digit]

13. Ouch, my moon is in Capricorn

I can't stand either one of 'em and Beck is most definitely nutso. I have watched him on TV and wonder how in the hell can buy any of that crap he is selling. Seriously.
Please say I don't share any characteristics with that creature.

[I Have A Dream]

2. No, it doesn't. Their MO is very similar.

Much of their chart except maybe the ascendant (which means the houses as well, of course) and possibly the moon are the same. What a nasty energy that turned out to be. It would be really interesting to find another person who used that same energy for good.

I'm going to go find their charts to have a look.

Thanks, Rick. :)

[Shallah Kali]

3. Oh no! They are Aquarians!

http://mountainastrologer.com/tma/saturn-and-uranus-one-more-time




NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Helga Scow Stern]

5. Will be interesting to see what happens when Saturns stations

opposite their blustery Jupiters early next year.

[Ricochet21]

8. It means little that they are Aquarians

They are abusing the energy
Look how well Oprah uses the same idealistic energy

[Shallah Kali]

14. i'm an aquarian

i am appalled and grossed out to find i have anything in common with those two. I know all signs have those who express it's energies harmfully but to see in my sign still gets to me. instead of inspiring people to join together emphasizing the good aspects all people have no matter their differences they are working to tear humanity apart riling up paranoia and hate.

[Ricochet21]

17. Like comparing a Chevy to a Chevy

Their "sickness" comes not from being an "Aquarian"; it comes from misusing the archetype.
KEEP IN MIND EVERYONE, NEPTUNE IS SITTING IN AQUARIUS NEXT TO CHIRON!

That means that they FEEL and THINK that they are called to serve mankind. They are inspired. They THINK they are doing what is best.

both have a square from Neptune from the solar midheaven, that means either REAL INSPIRED TO DO GOD'S WORK or really deluded megalomaniac.

you see the planets are energy impulses. It's up to each of us to implement the energy for good or bad.
Beck uses it for INTELLECTUAL DOMINANCE because he has rising in his solar chart (used because there is no birth time for him)
cruelty over others because they are basically stupid.

she, however has a very very exaggerated Sun, or she is Solar which picks up the strong Leo traits (because the Sun rules Leo) on her descendant: translation: she wants to be queen.

All signs are great and all signs are awful, depends on how you use them.

Look at Taurus = Hitler = Oscar Schindler
You can't go by the Sun sign.

Beck and Palin are AVATARS of the sick black energy that has been around just as rose before with Hitler.

same energy is back because Saturn is squaring Pluto as it did in pre WWII

we're sick because the collective is sick
we're trying, but we gotta keep the white light flowing...

:hi:

[Shallah Kali]

23. thank you for the detailed informative response

I too have neptune square midheaven but thankfully never had the hubris or mental disorder to believe that I alone must save humanity having all the correct answers. Instead I felt a call to serve to help where I can or at the very least muck it up any worse than it was when I arrived.


It still squicks me out to have anything in common with those two same as if I found out they were born in my home town or went to the same school. I am working on not taking it personally!

[Ricochet21]

24. Neptune squaring the Sun FROM the solar midheaven

is not the same thing
if I examined MOST people closely here in ASAH, I would find most of us have strong Neptunes. That's what makes us compassionate.

But

When the Sun is on ascendant and Neptune is squaring from the top, it's totally different. These type personalities are usually
1 or the other
1 spiritually inclined and called
or
2 deluded, they are here to save the world, without doing any real spiritual work. Period.

[Matariki]

26. Forgive me for this off topic aside

and don't take it personally, but it's a language thing I always feel compelled to point out.

Using the 'black == evil', 'white == good' isn't a very usefulness metaphor. You can probably see where this particular cultural metaphor can lead to all sorts of ugliness. Why not use the terms you mean instead of colors?

[elleng]

10. Damn!

He - Feb 10, she Feb 11, 1964.

Me, Feb 4, '45.

[rosesaylavee]

4. Ha. Just told this to my husband

and he remarked that 'well, they were both born stupid...' then corrected himself and said 'make that cunning'.

[Ricochet21]

9. They're not stupid

She is lost in the limelight
He in his mythology
He is mentally cruel, it took me a long to really figure that out.
He WILL shove his ideas down your throat while deludingly thinking the opposite.

He's really nuts

[rosesaylavee]

15. Agreed for the most part ...

but it takes a special kind of stupid to spend valuable (and won't they be surprised at how limited it will be) time in the limelight espousing cruelty and self-serving activities. It's gonna come back on them two-fold at least and it won't be pretty. I do hope I get to watch tho.

I predict that they will be studied for decades for their ignorance and cruelty... school children will learn about them as a cautionary tale... this is what happens when cruel, damaged, unbalanced people are given a microphone and a platform to speak.

[Ricochet21]

18. It has little to do with them

it's the DOWN side of Neptune in Aquarius sitting on the USA's Moon in Aquarius

after Neptune passes, ALMOST ALWAYS, you realize you have been stiffed.

It means: we're being stripped naked as a country to see WHAT WE ARE REALLY MADE OF SPIRITUALLY. (Neptune)
It's that simple.

[BlueIris]

6. Nope. Thanks for checking that one out for us. I could not bring myself

to look up Glenn Beck's chart. He is the only one of their current ilk to really make me

:mad:

[JanusAscending]

11. No... they have similar characteristics!

Narcissistic, and each too stupid to even realize that they are stupid! Sorry if this sounds judgmental, but it is what it is!

[Mnemosyne]

12. Howard Stern and Rush Limpones, same day, maybe same year. Ick. No surprise on P/G either. n/t

[elleng]

16. Love to hear themselves, eh?

[Mnemosyne]

19. They are Cappys, is that common? And you called them right! n/t

[Ricochet21]

20. So are Karl Rove and Hannity

I'm afraid.

When cappy goes wrong, Benedict Arnold, Richard Nixon, J.Edgar Hoover, Al Capone

[I Have A Dream]

21. When cappy goes right...

Benjamin Franklin
Jim Hightower
Martin Luther King Jr
Simone De Beauvoir
Kahlil Gibran
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[Ricochet21]

22. OMG

I can't fit through the doorway


...and I Have A Dream

[Matariki]

25. Aha. Then they both have that Sun-Neptune square

that seems to give them Messianic delusions of grandeur. And make them liars.

Of course, Obama has that square to and it seems with him to manifest as people projecting stuff onto him. What do you think the differences are in Beck's/Palin's charts compared to Obama's that changes the nature of that square?

[Ricochet21]

27. What a great question. Neptune square Sun

The Neptune square Sun doesn't "make" anybody anything. The problem is this: The Sun carries your identity. Neptune allows no identifying with anything except everythingness.

Therefore, the "healthy" use of this is to appreciate being unbounded and one with God. The common or dark way of getting lost in this Neptoon is that you accept no self-definition. Confusing unboundedness with "I can do anything I want" or even worse, I was CALLED TO DO THIS. Or even more common, getting them all mixed together.

I don't believe that Beck is egomaniacal, per se. Being an Aquarian, I believe he is "my-idealogicalmania" He wants to be the new father of the country. He sees himself as Thomas Paine. Aquarians are USUALLY past the ego stuff (Not like Palin). They spend all their time on one thing... putting the big picture together mentally.

Most don't succeed as well as fellow aquarians Oprah and Eckhart Tolle and Ellen DeGeneres. Beck has sick power needs and is ruthless mentally because of his rising Mars/Saturn also in Aquarius. So, he is BLESSING US all with his blackboard tutoring and university. He will teach his little wost wambs where we have gone astray. And many of us are dumb enough to follow his disconnected blather.

It took me months to figure him out. I wish I had his birthtime, it would help greatly. What HAS to be remembered is that he and Palin are the shadow side manifestations of Neptune sitting on the USA's Moon - which is huge since we are a Cancer country ruled by the Moon. Translation, we are being led over the cliff with his buzz-words and false images (Neptune)

Palin has an exaggerated Sun on the descendant as well as the Neptoon problem. She is all about self-aggrandizement. She kids herself like Beck that she is doing so for "the wonderful things we could all accomplish together". That's Aquarius.

Obama has the Tsquare to Neptune in the ninth house making him very idealistic OR very deluded. I had to leave the jury out on him for a long time till I saw whether we were dealing with Leo type 1, arrogant, wants to be king of anything, or 2, truly noble.

I am totally convinced now that he is taking the high road which can wonderfully be acted out by the noble side of Leo. Can you tell I just finished my chapter on Leo?

His problem is his fickle, changeable Moon in Gemini right on his nadir. One of the things that made me convinced of Obama was watching his steady, underrated (as most Caps are) wife. She is the real deal and would not back this man up for show. It's just not her. She and He ARE FOR REAL. Thank God and Thank Goddess