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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 08:40 PM
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"Does the Past Exist Yet? Evidence Suggests Your Past Isn't Set in Stone."
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 08:40 PM by I Have A Dream
Recent discoveries require us to rethink our understanding of history. "The histories of the universe," said renowned physicist Stephen Hawking "depend on what is being measured, contrary to the usual idea that the universe has an objective observer-independent history."

Is it possible we live and die in a world of illusions? Physics tells us that objects exist in a suspended state until observed, when they collapse in to just one outcome. Paradoxically, whether events happened in the past may not be determined until sometime in your future -- and may even depend on actions that you haven't taken yet.

In 2002, scientists carried out an amazing experiment, which showed that particles of light "photons" knew -- in advance −- what their distant twins would do in the future. They tested the communication between pairs of photons -- whether to be either a wave or a particle. Researchers stretched the distance one of the photons had to take to reach its detector, so that the other photon would hit its own detector first. The photons taking this path already finished their journeys -− they either collapse into a particle or don't before their twin encounters a scrambling device. Somehow, the particles acted on this information before it happened, and across distances instantaneously as if there was no space or time between them. They decided not to become particles before their twin ever encountered the scrambler. It doesn't matter how we set up the experiment. Our mind and its knowledge is the only thing that determines how they behave. Experiments consistently confirm these observer-dependent effects.

More recently (Science 315, 966, 2007), scientists in France shot photons into an apparatus, and showed that what they did could retroactively change something that had already happened. As the photons passed a fork in the apparatus, they had to decide whether to behave like particles or waves when they hit a beam splitter. Later on - well after the photons passed the fork - the experimenter could randomly switch a second beam splitter on and off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle actually did at the fork in the past. At that moment, the experimenter chose his history.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/does-the-past-exist-yet-e_b_683103.html

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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 10:01 PM
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1. Cool
When I was at my first Matrix Energetics and Richard Bartlett told us that we could make up the rules for our lives. I jumped for joy. And I haven't stopped creating my own life, the way I want it, since.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:26 AM
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5. I love how you've truly created your own life, BB.
You're such an inspiration!

:thumbsup:

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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 06:53 AM
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2. I love physics!
I love that much of it validates what is commonly viewed as the 'paranormal'.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 06:58 AM
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3. And I am taking this over to FB....
Have some physicist friends who may log on to discuss or debunk or get all interesting about this. Thanks for posting!
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:25 AM
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4. Yeah, it will be interesting to see what they say, rosie.
:)

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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 11:28 AM
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6. Ha! That must be why my mom can keep revising hers. n/t
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 12:40 PM
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7. Good one!
:thumbsup:

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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 01:03 PM
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8. I think I have experienced something like this
On a very few occasions in life I believe I have experienced something like this. It is easy to chalk it up to my memory differing from that of others involved, but the instances are so much stronger than that. One is something that has nipped at my mind for years. I have a distinct memory of my Grandmother taking me to eat on several occasions to a restaurant near where she lived that now seems to never have existed. It could be a dream, or some mental twist particular to me, but I keep going back to the very vivid memory of the place, and now it just seems like it couldn't have been there, in that building. And the choices for a location are very limited as my Grandmother did not drive and it was just me and her. No other family member has ever referenced the existence of this restaurant.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 03:47 AM
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12. Perhaps an experience a
parallel you had that is so important to "her" that it's filtered through.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 07:55 AM
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14. Yes, a possibility!
Though this is a "memory" type occurrence,I have had "dreams" so vivid that I have really wondered if they weren't glimpses of a parallel existence. In these certain dreams there has been one major change in my life that has completely changed my path. When these happened they were like a series, glimpses that seemed to be of the same parallel.
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 06:01 PM
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9. Time
I've always gone bleary-eyed at discussions of non-linear time. Just couldn't wrap my vision around it, but when I started reading Margaret Atwood's book, Cat's Eye, I've gotten a glimmer of it.

On the first page, she says: "Time is not a line but a dimension, like the dimensions of space. If you can bend space, you can bend time also, and if you knew enough and could move faster than light you could travel backward in time and exist in two places at once."

and

"But I began then to think of time as having a shape, something you could see, like a series of liquid transparencies, one laid n top of another. you don't look back along time but down through it, like water. Sometimes this comes to the surface, sometimes that, sometimes nothing. Nothing goes away."
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 03:54 AM
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13. I love Margaret Atwood!
Thanks for bringing this book to my attention :)

I like how space and time are being referred to now as spacetime.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:35 PM
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10. Please tell me that
GWB was all just an illusion..............
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 03:42 AM
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11. Thanks for this link! I didn't know
The Huffington Post has this section :thumbsup:
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:08 AM
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15. I used this article in my blog today on

What I Don't Know

Of all the thinks you can think, is ANYTHING you think FOR SURE?

Current research in the field of physics says that this Universe is not solid at all, but something like a holograph and the Source of the projector that lights it up is somewhere else. Or… perhaps it’s here all around us and we just can’t see it yet. I don’t know. There is hardly anything I know for sure.

When scientists ask questions like “Is it possible we live and die in a world of illusions?” And “physics tells us that objects exist in a suspended state until observed, when they collapse to just one outcome.” How can we be sure of anything? Does the Past Exist Yet? Evidence Suggests Your Past Isn’t Set in Stone

Even something as simple as up or down. Are you sure up is up? Or is your up, someone else’s down? Perhaps the material world, as we know it, is just not as black and white as we’ve been led to believe.


http://edgeofthevillage.wordpress.com/
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