Has anyone here ever heard of the HAARP project?

[icymist]

A friend of mine pointed this out to me along with the strange story that the gulf hurricanes were being controlled. I thought he was nuts and kept humoring him. Today, I agreed to look up the HAARP project and was astonished at what I read there. Here's a link to the history of the project along with the conclusion of the piece:

It would be rash to assume that HAARP is an isolated experiment which would not be expanded. It is related to fifty years of intensive and increasingly destructive programs to understand and control the upper atmosphere.

It would be rash not to associate HAARP with the space laboratory construction which is separately being planned by the United States. HAARP is an integral part of a long history of space research and development of a deliberate military nature.

The military implications of combining these projects is alarming.

Basic to this project is control of communications, both disruption and reliability in hostile environments. The power wielded by such control is obvious.

The ability of the HAARP / Spacelab/ rocket combination to deliver very large amount of energy, comparable to a nuclear bomb, anywhere on earth via laser and particle beams, are frightening.

The project is likely to be "sold" to the public as a space shield against incoming weapons, or, for the more gullible, a devise for repairing the ozone layer.

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcategory.asp?catid=1&subcatid=1

Well, if anything, this sure explains the 'cemtrails' debate!

[robertarctor]

1. Yes. It was Ming the Merciless, in the study, with the candlestick.

Seriously, the reason we're having killer hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico is that global warming has heated the water. It isn't some evil guys in a cave with a weather generator.

[icymist]

2. Did you even read the articles in the link?

What is your opinion on them other then your wish to ridicule me for even bringing up the subject.

[robertarctor]

6. I did read them

They're interesting, but my Occam's Razor-slash-BS detector went off too many times. I can appreciate alternative explanations, and I apologize for my snarky original post. That said, I think we're seeing the consequences for global warming. My guess is that it isn't some weird scenario out of a James Bond movie. Your mileage, of course, may vary.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Same here

I read it myself and got a very weird feeling in my stomach. I just didn't feel right about it. I think it's more about global warming than anything else. We've ignored it for far too long and now we're paying the price of not educating ourselves as a country.

[Jeanette in FL]

3. Here is a graph reading of HAARP

http://137.229.36.30/cgi-bin/riometer/riom2_sel.cgi?endTime=20050922&pwidth=1W&absorb=on&meas=on&qdc=on&pstyle=log&latest=on

It plots the haarp readings. There is much info out there. A great book to read is: Angels don't play this HAARP by Dr. Nick Begich.
He was the son of the Senator of Alaska who was killed in a plane crash, never to be found.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

4. other facinating articles

There are sooooo many thing the government has looked
into controlling. They may or may not be able to, however
I'll bet they've looked into it.


American Free Press on Weather Control -- Sept. 5, 2005:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/harnessing_weather.html

Levees should have held, experts say (contradicting Corps of Engineers) -- today:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050921/ts_nm/katrina_levees_dc

UN Treaty articles AGAINST WEATHER CONTROL:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Weather_control

More weather control:
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/2070.asp

Controlling tthe weather:
http://www.weather.com/newscenter/atmospheres/feature/091300feature.html

[PuraVidaDreamin]

5. Check out current water temps near galveston/compared to last year here

http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/wgof.html

Why are the waters so much warmer?

[Desertrose]

7. HAARP has been a round for quite awhile...certainly

long enough to affect weather....

and the same for shemtrails. I have been watching them over my home and seeing how it is relating to the weather patterns. Can I *prove it*? No but that doesn't mean something isn't happening.

Anyone anymore who belives the gov't or whoever wouldn't control the weather if they found a way to do better go tothe happy bar & refill their KoolAide. Seriously.

There is enough info & disinfo out there to make a rational person at least go "huh?". I would add that whoever it is doing this doesn't want the public to catch on to things sure has done a bang up job of dis- & misinformation. Even on this board its clear to see how many jump on the ol' ridicule bandwagon rather than imagine there may be things they don't want to think about or face.



I agree the military aspects of weather modification really are staggering......

[arikara]

8. Yes, there is a lot of info out there, and many are beginning to notice

Unfortunately it rarely trickles in to the mainstream. If you want verification however, just think back to what clouds used to look like a couple of years ago and look at how different they are now. I've been trying to document the anomalies that I see with pictures.

To me the kooks are the ones who are burying their heads in the sand and denying what is happening right over their heads. On this board, everytime the subject is brought up the tinfoil hat accusers come out of the woodwork and sometimes discussions are even disappeared.

Here is a good explanatory article about weather modification including links. I have collected lots of info. PM me if you want.

http://pesn.com/2005/09/06/9600160_Weather_Modification/

[dbt]

13. arikara, your link points out S 517. Thank you for that!

Anyone who has questions about the puzzling weather patterns of the last couple of decades needs to read the full text of this bill.

Chances are, you will have more questions after you read the bill than you did before.

You are SO right about this being a touchy subject in certain circles, by the way.

:hi:
dbt

Remember New Orleans

[emcguffie]

9. It's been in a documentary --

I don't remember if it was the Discovery Channel or what, but there was a documentary on climate change, and climate manipulation, and it covered the HAARP installation.

Check out www.weatherwars.com. This is a site put up by a weatherman who finally freaked out.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. The link didn't work

:(

[Jeanette in FL]

12. Here is the link

http://www.weatherwars.info/

[dbt]

14. HAARP Spoken Here!

Thank you for posting about this spooky business, icymist. One HAS to wonder what effect on the environment that pumping millions of watts of RF (Radio Frequency) waves into the ionosphere will bring. One also has to wonder what other sorts of waves are being sent where.

I have stood beneath a 50,000-watt AM broadcast antenna array a few times and the effect was simply mind-boggling--NOT in the good sense. I get the feeling that RF is NOT good for mammals! How much worse must a millions-of-watts phased array be, cooking away day and night?

As with so many things in this Brave New World, there is about as much DISinformation as there is INformation on HAARP, so here's my position: Until such time as the Government wishes to explain HAARP to its citizens (and have the explanation verified by a qualified, impartial third party), I am opposed to it.

Now, as to HAARP explaining Chemtrails, I do not believe it does. I think that it is only a PIECE of the explanation. I have been studying the trails since 1999 and every time I think I have the explanation, a new facet of the operation presents itself.

One thing is certain: Chemtrails have come under such widespread scrutiny that the Government is having to take steps to "legitimize" the program. This is one of the main reasons, IMO, for the introduction by Senator Kay Hutchison (R-Texas) of S 517. You will find a link to the bill's text in my post upstream in this thread.

Thank you again for your post!

dbt
Remember New Orleans

[icymist]

15. So 'legitimizing' chemtrails completes one part of the puzzle....

From the text of S 517:
The term `weather modification' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere.

The HAARP program is just the tip of the iceberg of what bothers me here.... What are the Russians doing? The Chinese? All of these have their own experiments and projects in this field.

You know, for about fifteen years now I could notice a dark, round blotch around the sun when I looked up at it with sunglasses on. It bothered me then and it bothers me now, even more so knowing all this. My friend who pointed this out to me was in the Army during the eighties as a NCO working with nukes. He won't/can't tell me everything, but can point out what to read in the public domain.

Thank you for pointing out S 517 to me dbt.
icymist :hi: