What's your take on the Bird & Fish die-offs?

[FirstLight]

So far it happened on the same day, or within a day of eachother in LA, Ark., KY and some in CA

migrating birds eating corexit?

weather patterns bringing the toxic stuff inland..?

Now the 'official' story is saying the birds got scared and suffered blunt force trauma of some kind.
Did they experience a shift in the earths magnetics and fly INTO the ground??
:shrug:

[MorningGlow]

1. HAARP

Yes I am a :tinfoilhat:

[FirstLight]

2. i looked it up...

went to the haarp site and they have all their readings posted...looks like there was some magnetic activity during Jan 1st, hmmmm

the yellow line in the middle of the chart dissapears on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th...

http://maestro.haarp.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/scmag/disp-scmag.cgi?date=20110101&Bx=on

maybe this should be some kind of site we watch as much as space weather...?

[MorningGlow]

3. Well isn't that interesting!

Hmmm...!

[PADemD]

63. January 1st is the day the screen on my TV blew up!

While I was watching TV, a bright light flashed in the center of the screen and then there was no picture and a burning wire smell.

[Myrina]

48. What is HAARP?

:shrug:

[FirstLight]

49. I had to look it up too...it's a weapon system

really trippy stuff, they charge the Ionosphere to create magnetic disruptions...

check my link above, then go to the home page

[southerncrone]

56. My thought too, MG.

If not HAARP, then some similar microwave or frequency weapon.

Something UNSEEN or INVISIBLE.

I get the feeling this will be key to exposing to the masses some of the shadow crap going on. The proverbial silver lining to horrible events.

[Cleita]

4. The official story is that they were frightened to death by

fireworks. However, if this is true, why not on other holidays like the Fourth of July? I think they are covering up what really happened. :tinfoilhat:

[eilen]

9. I totally call bullshit on the fireworks explanation. nt

[Delphinus]

10. Me too. n/t

[Cleita]

5. I just ran across this in GD.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x114175

The poster cites it could be sulfur, but we have a lot of sulfur fumes in my area because we are sitting in the caldera of an ancient volcano here on the Central Coast of California and it's not affecting wildlife, but there could be methane that can kill instantly.

[OneGrassRoot]

6. Mark recently watched something about methane released from lakes...

I don't know if the fish kill in question was in a lake or river but, having watched a show recently about a lake in Africa having released a bubble/cloud of methane, resulting in the death of all lives in the near vicinity (with no discernible proof of what had killed everything/everyone until the lake itself was investigated further, revealing methane), that was his first thought: a methane cloud.

I recall that was (is) a big concern in The Gulf as well, a fracture leading to release of methane.

Bless all those creatures...the images are so haunting. :cry:

[Fire Walk With Me]

51. "Clathrate".

Just offering the word, not an explanation or any sort of insight or indication.

[FirstLight]

7. weird weird weird

...I know the folks in GD are laughing at this take on things...but supposedly there is a prophecy about this sort of thing.

anyone know their bible...?

again, there will be more of these kinds of things, and also the spirals in the sky over the next year as the veils thin even more i think.

[Cleita]

8. Just now on Thom Hartmann.

Woman caller in from Arkansas said that she believed the fracking going on is responsible. She said Arkansas law prevents the dumping of the water used in Arkansas so they ship it to Oklahoma, but since it's very costly, she thinks that the oil companies doing the fracking are trying some other way to get rid of the waste water and this might be killing the fish and birds.

:tinfoilhat:

[hermetic]

11. It just happened in Sweden, too

Dead birds have fallen from the sky in central Sweden, echoing a number of unexplained incidents earlier this week across the southern US. http://www.thelocal.se/31262/20110105/

I don't know what it is but I sure don't like it. Don't like HAARP either.

[OneGrassRoot]

12. Can we keep this thread going, consolidating related finds here?

With hermetic just posting that it happened in Sweden, I'd personally appreciate one thread to keep track of this.

Is there any precedent, does anyone know?

[MorningGlow]

18. According to the article I just posted downthread

"In 1999, several thousand grackle birds fell from the sky and staggered around before dying in north Louisiana.

It took five months to get the diagnosis - an E. coli infection of the air sacs in their skulls."

[OneGrassRoot]

23. Thanks. :) n/t

[OneGrassRoot]

13. Blackbird wisdom...

There are many sites and posts about it, but since most of the incidents thus far -- though not all -- relate to black birds of some sort, be it red-winged or otherwise, here is information (with link to site) that discusses the traditional wisdom as it relates to the blackbird totem:


Bless all creatures great and small...:grouphug:



From: http://www.starstuffs.com...s/dictionary_of_birds.htm

Blackbird:

Blackbird awakens the mind with awareness as changes of perceptions are unfolding. He stirs psychic abilities and brings to consciousness latent latent gifts and creativity. Blackbird shows how to move with determination, focus and tenacity and how to use your power to its fullest potential. At this time there is a magic of the unseen worlds coming forth that is paired with the balance of grounding within the earth as you walk your path. Blackbird will guide in this new awakening. Blackbird teaches use of intuition that will aid in understanding Mother Nature and the connection to all things. Are you listening carefully to the seen and unseen worlds? Are you grounding and balancing your energy appropriately? Blackbird will teach much and bring new surprises when you least expect it. Pay attention and listen carefully.

From: http://www.linsdomain.com/totems/pages/blackbird.htm

Blackbird:

Blackbirds symbolize the tie to Nature and her energies. They herald a new understanding of the forces of nature as they come into your life. Blackbirds with a yellow head are associated with the Angel Auriel, who oversees nature and nature spirits. Red-Winged Blackbirds are directly connected to the Goddess and primal feminine energies. It is also associated with the astrological sign of Cancer.
From: http://wolfdragon.net/animals/totems/index.php

Blackbird

Druid Dhubh

Enchantment, The Gateway, The Inner Call

May Day, season fair, perfect time of year, the blackbird's song a poem, to the sun's first slender ray.

Druid Dhubh calls to us from the gateway between two worlds, urging us to follow a spiritual path or to become more self-aware. He calls to us in the twilight, showing us the path to Otherworldly secrets, pointing out the ways in which we can discover more about our hidden motives and potential. There are times in life when it is important to concentrate on the outer world and your responsibilities in that world, but there are also times when you must attend to the haunting song of your soul which calls you to a study of spiritual truths, and to an exploration of the inner world through dreams and myths. In heeding Druid Dhubh's song, you will discover healing and new depths in your soul.

From: http://www.montanadreams....ology/animals/anim_1.html

Blackbird: Blackbirds are known for their hypnotic song, which is said to lull the waking mind to sleep and to awaken the psychic mind. The Blackbird teaches you how to use your voice for healing purposes.

From: http://www.schaefdesigns....m_animal_definitions.html

Blackbird - Legend says that the birds of Rhiannon are three blackbirds, which sit and sing in the World Tree of the Otherworlds. Their singing puts the listener in to a sleep or trance which enables her/him to go to the Otherworlds. It was said to impart mystic secrets.

From: Ted Andrews' Animal-Speak

Blackbird

Keynote: Understanding the energies of Mother Nature

Cycle of Power: Summer

The blackbird has long been associated with omens and mysticism. Its color, alone, has evoked both fear and promise. Although called a blackbird, only the males are black. Females usually have a streaky, brown plumage. Not all blackbirds are black. One variety has a yellow head and throat which stands out strongly against the black plumage. The yellow and black coloring has long been associated with the Archangel Auriel. Auriel is considered the tallest of the angels, with eyes that can see across eternity. This being oversees all of nature and all of the nature spirits. Auriel has traditionally been associated with the summer season.

Another variation of the blackbird is the red-winged blackbird. This bird has a red path on its wings, with a dash of yellow as well. These colors connect this bird to the level know as Binah in the Quabalistic Tree of Life. This is the level associated with the Dark Mother and primal feminine energies. This bird has ties to all of the creative forces of nature. On the Tree of Life, black is the color for Bnah and red is the color for Geburah (Mars type of energy). Yellow or amber is the color of the path that connects the two, and it is the path of Cancer, the mother sign of the zodiac. The red-winged blackbird is thus a totem associated with the stellar energies of Cancer.

The male red-winged blackbird will lose its luster during the winter. This reflects how the summer is the time of vibrancy and vitality for those with this bird as a totem. It indicates the need to use the winter to go back into the great womb of life in order to be able to bring forth new energy and expressions of energy the following summer.

Blackbirds nest in swamps, marshes, and low brush-usually just a few feet from water. Again this reflects a tie to water, an ancient symbol for the feminine force for Nature. They often use cattails as perches. A study of the herbal qualities and characteristics of cattail will also provide further insight.

Blackbirds are known for fiercely staking out their own territory, and they will often drive off any other of their kind that are in the vicinity. Because of this, the sight of two blackbirds sitting together is often considered a good omen. In Europe, blackbirds came to be associated with St. Kevin, and one story tells of how they nested in his hand. Again because of this association, to have blackbirds nesting in your environment is usually a beneficial sign. St. Kevin was known as a person of tremendous gentleness and love.

Europeans used to eat blackbirds in a pie, as reflected in the nursery rhyme. Most of the time though, live blackbirds were hidden in empty pie shells to provide amusement at gathering. If the blackbird has come into your life as a totem, you will open up to new surprises and to a new understanding of the forces of Nature as they begin to migrate into your life.

Contributed by EagleSinging:
Here is what I've found:

It is one of the most abundant birds in North America. The Red-winged Blackbird is found in wetlands and agricultural areas across the continent. The male can hide the brilliant red shoulders or show them off in a dazzling display. The striped female looks strikingly different than the male and could almost be mistaken for a large dark sparrow. When protecting nests from predators, the male Red-Winged Blackbird will attack larger animals, including horses and people. They are polygumous, and one male can have 15 different females making up its nesting territory, but from 1/4 to 1/2 of the young in the male's nesting territory do not belong to the "territorial" male.

"Red-Winged Blackbirds are directly connected to the Goddess and primal feminine energies. It is also associated with the astrological sign of Cancer." It is also associated with Summer energies.

Sayahda.com speaks to Blackbirds, but not the Red-Winged Blackbird specifically: The blackbirds iridescent black plumage holds the energies of mysticism and magic. Druid legends say that the birds of Rhiannan are 3 blackbirds which sit and sing in the World tree of other worlds. Their singing puts the listener into a sleep or a trance which enables him or her to travel to the otherworld. It was said to impart mystic secrets. Those with this medicine often have a hypnotic influence on others as well as an uncanny ability to move between the seen and unseen worlds with clarity. They make excellent shamans and trance channelers.

Blackbirds are timid and prefer their own company over the company of others. In humans shyness and insecurity in group settings is common. Vulnerable to outside influences those with this totem need to remember to clear accumulated influences from their energy field on a regular basis.

The male's distinctive song during breeding season is loud and melodious with flute like qualities. Males often sing from high perches and both sexes produce a variety of sounds which include mimicking other birds. Blackbird medicine people love to sing and have the ability use their voice to heal and inform. They are also good ventriloquists.

Blackbirds spend much of their time on the ground. Its locomotion includes walking, climbing and hopping forward and backwards. They forage for food in open spaces although cover is always near by. When foraging in leaf litter under trees they sound like people walking . In humans this suggests an ability to remain grounded in the earth energies while walking a spiritual path.

When resting the blackbird is frequently seen stretching, legs extended back, side wings in full extension, tail spread, and the head tilted to one side as if listening. Yoga and movement therapy are beneficial for those that hold this totem.

The blackbirds flights are low, short and undulating but fast and direct over open country. They move with determination and focus and can teach us how to do the same. When blackbird flies into your life your connection with nature and the forces of creation increase. The magic of the underworld surfaces in your life. Awareness is heightened and change on a cellular level begins. The blackbird teaches you how to acknowledge your power and use it to its fullest.


http://spiritlodge.yuku.com/topic/4087

[OneGrassRoot]

14. I think we need to pay attention as to whether the affected birds....

are related to water in some way. Blackbirds nest near water, for example.

Continued healing energy and prayers focused on The Gulf and all of the Earth's bodies of water is still very important.

[OneGrassRoot]

17. Starling:

Starling teaches lessons of group etiquette, social standing an family relations and how you appear to the world in those relationships. He will show the nuances of the art of communication and vocalization which needs to be clear and expressive. It's time to speak your voice. Starling can show how to be a fierce competitor to achieve goals along with using all the resources available to do such. Are you balancing your feminine/masculine qualities? It is time to accomplish tasks early and not wait until the last minute. Are you clinging to an idea, perception, people too tightly? Starling will teach much about sensitivity to others and working as a unity either in this world or another and will instill a sense of protection and hope.

[MorningGlow]

15. Now they all "flew into power lines"

Now experts claim hundreds of birds found dead in Louisiana may have hit power lines as spate of deaths leaves scientists baffled

Hundreds of dead birds found littering highways in Louisiana may have been killed after hitting overhead power lines.

Mystery has surrounded the deaths of thousands of birds within days of each other across America, with scientists blaming New Year's Eve fireworks, thunderstorms, parasites and even poison.

At the same time, the discovery of thousands of dead and dying fish found washed along a 20-mile stretch of the Arkansas River has left experts baffled.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344273/Bird-deaths-Hundreds-birds-hit-power-line-Louisiana.html

What, the fish too? And, need I add: :eyes:

On edit: Oh yeah, my favorite part: Louisiana's state wildlife veterinarian Jim LaCour said the two events were just a coincidence.

On edit, part 2: Here's a map of the incidents...

[OneGrassRoot]

16. ....

:cry:

[MorningGlow]

19. I know--the photos break my heart

:cry:

[OneGrassRoot]

20. shit...there's more:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/05/dead-birds-fall-from-sky-_n_804591.html

:(

[FirstLight]

22. read that article...brazil and new zealand too, wtf?

nice how they merely drop the hint or one line of that info and expect us to just ignore it?

there is something big happening here... not just pollutant related, sounds more & more like HAARP or Earth magnetics shifting... pole-shift?

[OneGrassRoot]

24. Well...

In the article MG posted, it said this: "In 1999, several thousand grackle birds fell from the sky and staggered around before dying in north Louisiana.

It took five months to get the diagnosis - an E. coli infection of the air sacs in their skulls."

Regardless of the etiology of these events, it definitely seems that we MUST pay attention. It's simply not something to be ignored.

It's why I posted the different totem information, in case there was anything there that may provide some guidance or insight from a "higher" perspective. ;)

I know this is affecting fish a lot, which is awful, but we're more accustomed to large-scale fish incidents. Birds dropping from the sky in different parts of the world is new to me.

:(

Anyway, I posted about the birds because birds have always been viewed by the wisdom traditions as being a link between worlds.

:hug:

[crikkett]

35. why would a magnetic shift kill a single breed of bird and a

single breed of fish?

[FirstLight]

21. Okay, MG, in your Blackbird info...

The part that cought my eye was that blackbirds are not known for FLYING...they hop, walk, etc... when they do fly it is low and direct...

so if they are falling from the sky, this indicates they are flying abnormally?

I think it has a big deal to do with earth magnetics, like their inner compass was screwed up somehow...

[Cleita]

29. I dunno. I used to get red wing blackbirds at my feeders

during migration season. They did fly in a flock and they had to fly to migrate. Also, we have plenty of crows and ravens and they fly pretty high up in the sky in flocks. The only birds that hop around that we have in my area are quail.

[villager]

25. Ex-Bush official murder & bird kill related? A thread from DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x580032#580035


It's in the Editorial section -- in case it hasn't been posted on this thread yet...

[OneGrassRoot]

26. Wow....

There are several off-shoots to read about this within that thread.

Just wow. Thanks much, villager. :hi:

Edit to add that the one link referenced, to an EU site, seems to be largely debunked (though who knows? :shrug:).

It's still interesting, and the situation is worthy of remaining open to all reasonable possibilities, imho. Granted, what's reasonable to one person is batshit crazy to another. ;)

[villager]

27. right -- and even if that particular theory isn't holding up, the fact it *could* be plausible

...indicates just how routinely we're lied to about everything, all the time.

Beginning, at least, with JFK, I reckon, though I suppose the Cult of Official Secrecy was established before then...

[crikkett]

36. Total disinformation. Poison gas kills indescriminately.

Besides, the author is a known disinfo agent.

[villager]

28. Now it's dead birds in East Texas!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x119956

[MorningGlow]

30. Huh. No fireworks for these subsequent incidents. (Like I ever bought that one.)

So :wtf: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[MorningGlow]

31. Google map of all the dieoffs

Worth saving I think.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x121614

[FirstLight]

38. holy crap!

all over...

hmmm... so if it isn't corexit, what is it?

I'd like to know what Matthew Messages has to say about this, or the Psychic Consortium...

[eilen]

32. I just listened to a report on the birds and fish and the massive

die off of the bees they talked about all the places this is happening and HAARP (which I don't believe either).

I heard in my head "We've reached the tipping point."

Now I am really concerned. Without the birds, bees-- our food won't grow. I can't conceive of a world without birds. They are sensitive creatures (think canary in a coal mine). Fish-- as well, they swim into dumping areas and die from lack of oxygen in the water. Plus the EPA and none of the state EPA's will every tell us the truth.

I heard the story and just started to cry, it is very sad. The start of the end. And no one is really taking it seriously. They are just making up crazy theories that don't involve investigating the TRUE reason for this. The pollution, the PCBs, the poison in the Gulf and other places the offshore rigs are dumping to hide their screw ups.

This is very bad. I wonder what will become of us.

I hope someone can try a reading on this or consult some guides for advice, something practical hopefully to cope with it. I don't know that we can stop what is happening. I want a safe place to go to, I see the implications of this die off and we will have bigger problems.

[FirstLight]

37. Ding, ding, ding!

I agree...no matter the cause, it is an indicator of our tipping point for sure.
like I said upthread, I believe we will see more profound instances of this ...AND more vortex-spirals in the sky as a result of changes in the earth within & atmospherically...

I am not afraid, yet. But it isn;t good. you know it isn;t just honeybees, it's bumblebees as well...pollenators are dying off massively and you are right, that is SO not good.

What about the fact that this all started right at new year? and it seems to NOT be localized...
HAARP makes sense, but it could very well be something in the earthchanges that we don't even know about...

[Fire Walk With Me]

52. Here's hoping that this year, we'll see fast, brilliant, unemcumbered groups forming

that will truly take a hand in beginning the search for how we can fix what we've broken. We are beginning to awaken to the work that is before us. We -can- address it, instead of cowering in fear. These are the sorts of things which bring out the best in us, and begin our movement toward co-operation.

As the wise man said, there are two ways to live: with the Earth, or against it.

[WhiteTara]

33. well, this is an interesting theory

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-official-murdered-after-arkansas-weapons-test-causes-mass-death/
Basically,
A shocking report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by the Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) states that one of the United States top experts in biological and chemical weapons was brutally murdered after he threatened to expose a US Military test of poison gas that killed hundreds of thousands of animals in Arkansas this past week.

According to this report, John P. Wheeler III, Special Assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force, Washington, D.C. from 2005-2008, when he became the Special Assistant to the Acting Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Installations, Logistics and Environment, was found brutally murdered and dumped in a landfill, and as we can read as reported by Fox News:
snip
Wheeler’s military career included writing one of the most important manuals on the effectiveness of biological and chemical weapons which led to his being hired in 2009 as a consultant to the Mitre Corporation, whose aviation system development department, the GRU reports, is at the forefront of creating the computer command and control systems used by the US Air Force in their fleet of aerial spraying planes.

These aerial spraying planes, this report continues, are based at the Little Rock Air Force Base in Arkansas that over the past few months have been involved with ‘test dispersants’ of poisonous gasses in the Afghanistan War Theater using chemical weapons stocks obtained from Iraq and held at the Pine Bluff Arsenal, also located in Arkansas.

interesting article, sounds plausible, but at the end, there is a button marked "source" and when you go there, here's what you come up with
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1435.htm
January 4, 2011

Top US Official Murdered After Arkansas Weapons Test Causes Mass Death

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

Who is Sorcha Faal? Well, read all this and let me know what you think of it all. I am skeptical. But until I saw the source, I found it completely plausible.

[kimmerspixelated]

34. Thanks for posting.

I think this story is plausible.

[FirstLight]

39. I just emailed Suzy Ward...!

Maybe she can get some info from Matthew & the guides before the next message comes through?

[FirstLight]

40. new die off in TN...and in ENGLAND

over 100 birds...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x122708


and 40,000 crabs? :wtf:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4684719


this is getting freaky...ALL over the freaking planet, and for days in a row?


some kind of impending 'something' is going on - our planet is changing fast, now

[Lucinda]

41. Link of global occurrences

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=201817256339889828327.0004991bca25af104a22b&ll=28.921631,5.273438&spn=141.542315,12.304687&z=2&iwloc=0004991c2e41cf55affcb

[FirstLight]

42. updated 22hours ago...

That's the one I have been watching too...but i see three more stories of fish die offs this morning that aren;t on here... it is still happening.

sounds like some of the fish happened because of temps being too cold (go figure)

[OneGrassRoot]

43. While the fish (and even crab) incidents are horrible...

I can see logical reasons for them (some natural, such as abnormal temperatures, some man-made in the form of toxins and more overt, immediate abuse). Plus, we're more accustomed to them.

It's the "birds dropping from the sky" stories that I find alarming. I think it happened in Arkansas and Louisiana (okay, we can possibly go with turbulent weather for those since there were tornadoes, and thus hail, in the area); the incident in Kentucky turns out to be one woman in her backyard (not sure how credible that is?); and the other was in Sweden (don't know what the weather conditions were there).

Anything else with birds dropping from the sky? I know there is a situation with herons off of the coast of NC but that seems to be a separate mystery; they didn't drop from the sky and the injuries are different than the other birds. :cry:

I think we all agree the fireworks explanation is bogus. I think that explanation being given is what raised suspicions in the first place.

When first faced with the barrage of stories, it was alarming. After stepping back and asking logical questions and looking at the incidents more closely, it doesn't feel as alarming to me. Not for the moment.

However, that certainly doesn't mean I don't see that humanity MUST stop abusing our natural resources; it's obvious we're having a horrible effect on the plant and animal kingdoms. That's a given.

And it has prompted me to look into purchasing heirloom organic, non-GM seeds, to start getting prepared for being more self-sustaining in that area when I'm able to buy them.

And, perhaps these types of simultaneous incidents HAVE occurred in the past and we just weren't aware of them as we are with our hyperawareness now via social media and 24/7 news. I don't know, that's what I'm trying to find out, to no avail thus far.

Regardless, my hope is that these stories make those who usually don't pay attention to the environment do so now, recognizing that there are consequences to abuse. You just don't fool with Mother Nature.

What I find interesting is that those who are so quick to jump on the "society is crumbling and civilization as we know it is coming to an end, with no hope of anything ever going well again" discussions, with great enthusiasm, poo-poo any discussion about these events and write those asking questions off as nut cases.

Oh the irony....

:shrug:


edit for clarity

[FirstLight]

44. ironic is right

I also see alot of folks in GD that are so synical and superior, they would rather tell everyone who asks questions that they are freaking out than really think critically about the possibilities.


here's two questions I have:
1- WHERE in the bible does it talk about birds falling from the sky and fish rising from the sea...my mom repeated it to me last night but couldn;t remember the verse. I tried looking but can;t just pick up a bible and read through it, it's too thick with nuance to scan quickly, you know?

2- why is it specific species that are showing up? Other than doves in Italy, they have mostly been blackbirds...

3- why do i find this so fascinating? is it like a morbid curiosity like watching a car wreck? I dunno but i feel oddly detached and wonder when the next shoe will drop in many ways. I guess I am a catastro-bater after all.

[OneGrassRoot]

46. LOL...catastro-bater...

:rofl:

1. I don't know about the bible and can't bring myself to go there. ;)

2. If memory serves, the Arkansas incident was largely red-winged blackbirds. Starlings were involved somewhere along the way (maybe Louisiana), and the Texas bridge thing was a different type of bird as well. The Sweden incident involved jackdaws.

Regardless, I think that is one of the more logical questions. There could be logical explanations but we haven't heard them yet as it pertains to that question, not that I've seen.

3. :hug:

[findrskeep]

62. One Grass Root...didn't you post something a week or so ago

about a pole shift, and that some people suspected we had had one over Christmas?? Also, I JUST listened to a radio show a few days ago by Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot where they were discussing that the magnetic pole had moved towards Siberia! Coincidence? I think not.

[OneGrassRoot]

65. Hey, findrskeep....

Yes, I think I shared at FB an email I had received from a dear friend. In summary, an email exchange between numerologists (these are mathematics and statistics professors from around the world who happen to also delve into "numerology," a dear friend of mine for the last decade is one of them) said something to the effect that they were all wound up because of recently discovering their calculations having been off this whole time as it pertained to the Mayan calendar.

(sorry, I'm an idiot about all these things and don't have strong feelings about any specific detail or information, so I'm relaying it in my layperson terms.)

What they've been focused on as being December 2012 actually was last month, based on whatever finding resulted in recalculating the calendar. Several had dreams and other visions that essentially conveyed that the pole shift occurred during the last two weeks of December, and that we had divine intervention for it not to be apocalyptic as always predicted.

Just sharing. :)

:shrug: (that's my most common emoticon right now; just call me Clueless)

[MorningGlow]

47. There's something in Ezekiel

but it's not really applicable--just something about the birds of the air and the fish of the sea trembling in God's presence. Really just a common poetic trope. According to a quick google, the supposition that there's a bible quote specifically about birds and fish dying off is erroneous, but I thought there was one as well. Still, I was raised Catholic, and they shied away from the more apocalyptic stuff, so my eddication is lacking in that regard.

[MorningGlow]

45. Agree with your entire post!

:fistbump:

And something crossed my mind earlier, after reading in GD how "dieoffs happen all the time and it's just a coincidence that one or two stories cropped up and then the media jumped on all the other ones to create a fake panic", etc.--that whether or not the number of dieoffs is unusual (personally I think it is but whatever), the fact is that they all ARE being reported at once NOW. So no matter what's causing them all, the important thing is that we are being forced to PAY ATTENTION.

No, I do not think this is a sign of the apocalypse, but it is a sign that we have to get off our asses and realize once and for all how fragile our ecosystem really is. It's taken enough abuse, and it's letting us know. Now...are we going to do something about it, or are we going to look the other way AGAIN?

[Matariki]

50. What is noteworthy is that it is a single species in each incident.

Which would rule out many explanations, imo.

[findrskeep]

53. Hey guys, I've been following this story and doing some surfing on

the internet to see what everyone is saying. I was on the website www.projectcamelot.com (highly recommend this site by the way, especially the interviews by Kerry Cassidy with various people, i.e Delores Cannon, Bob Dean, etc. on the shift and 2012. They have a forum that's pretty interesting. Also she has a radio show called "whistle blower radio" too that's worth listening too as well.

Anyway, no one knows what's going on yet for sure obviously, but there is a lot of speculation that it is HAARP. I found it interesting that someone suggested in a thread on the forum, that they wouldn't be surprised if the "powers that be" are doing this on purpose to instill more fear in the general population (like apocalypse scenario's.

I've also seen where some people are suspecting the chemical that BP used to disperse the oil. And that the chemical has done something to the gulf stream that runs over towards the UK and that is what has caused the crazy weather over there (all that unusual snow). Personally, I think this may have something to do with it as a lot of the states affected are in that south eastern area stemming from the gulf, however that doesn't explain the other states, or even the other countries where there have been incidents. I've also read that there is suspicion that the new Madrid fault is going to cause an earthquake, and I've also seen where some people suspect that the powers that be using HAARP to actually cause that to happen.

There's a lot of speculation, and who knows what's really going on, but I do know and "feel" one thing that is true. The PTB are pulling out all the stops to keep the masses in a fear based reality.

[lunatica]

54. Why is it so difficult for anyone to come up with a real scientific reason?

Of course, if you fall out of the sky you'll end up with blunt force trauma as soon as you hit the ground. Duh! I believe some of those scientists and experts could come up with some reasons by now.

Did the birds suffocate after breathing some form of toxic cloud? Red Wing Blackbirds are flock birds that will congregate into very large numbers during evening hours when they're getting ready to head home and they could have all eaten seeds or insects that were toxic, or stopped to drink water that was toxic then shortly after they could have been poisoned while in flight.

Did they stop at a poisoned water hole to drink?

Are there any nuclear power plants in the vicinity that may have expelled a radioactive cloud? I can see that being kept a secret.

[katty]

55. HAARP

[OneGrassRoot]

57. Post re: government intervention, killing birds...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x130660

:cry:

[Howler]

58. Ah Man!!!!!1 You gotta be kidding me!

!@#$%^&*()_+!!!!

We feed the Birds and Squirrels here in Howlerville and I still have a beautiful garden.WTF.
Of course I have to put river rock in my planters and around the base of newly planted flowers to keep the Squirrels from digging but it still works.

[villager]

59. Now it's 8,000 Turtle Doves in Italy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x132325

[woodsprite]

60. Did you see the article about the pole shift in the Editorials and Articles group

The post is titled "Magnetic North Pole Shifts, Forces Runway Closures at Florida Airport"

The link to the discussion is
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x580420

That may have something to do with all this.

[villager]

61. Ichingcarpenter posted even more links about the pole shift:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x74917

[Myrina]

70. Article on pole shift:

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/29dec_magneticfield/


:hi:

[FirstLight]

71. that's RAD!

the bottom picture of the 'model' of magnetic shift...wild!

I wouldn't mind being "shifted" to a subtropical zone myself at this point ;)

[hermetic]

64. And now in Quebec

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2011/01/07/dead-birds-quebec.html?ref=rss

This one has been ongoing for several weeks, though. But still, no one can determine what's killing them. And then the 'expert' chimes in with "this happens all time."

My question is: how many incidents will it take before it's beyond coincidence? I would be perfectly happy if there were no more occurrences now, but we just have to wait and see.

[MorningGlow]

66. I've changed my mind

I no longer think it's HAARP--not with the sudden pole shift. Holy crap, it's even in the mainstream news! I think this is navigational confusion on the part of the birds. Not sure about the fish--do they use magnetics to navigate as well? If not, then it could be the change in their climate. I don't know enough about fish lifestyle.

I knew the pole shift wasn't going to be alarmingly apocalyptic in a Hollywood sense (happening in a single moment, with earthquakes, comets, fires, floods, locusts), but observing the effects of even this herky-jerky movement is dismaying.

[findrskeep]

67. Hey guys, I spoke to my friend, the one who channels angels

and other light beings, as well as ascended masters and her own guides. I had asked her to tune in and ask what's going on with all the birds falling from the sky. She said that she heard, "Magnetics, electromagnetics" and that she was getting the sense that there was some sort of "vortex" and that it was almost like a mini explosion, or a "pulse" of some sort. This is a woman who barely knows anything about this type of thing so for her to come up with the word, "electricmagnetics" was pretty interesting. I told her that a lot of people were suspecting that we had just had a pole shift. But that's when she said that she got it more as a mini explosion, or pulse, something that happened VERY quickly. Of course this doesn't answer the fish question..I don't think anyway. I'm far from being any expert in this area, just find it interesting the pieces of the "puzzle" that are starting to point in one direction or at least narrow down the directions they could point in!

[AC_Mem]

68. I get that too

Something with magnetics, ley lines. It happens to me allot, I get completely disoriented in certain areas and I believe it is because of the energies of the ley lines. I'm extremely sensitive to energy anyway and things that have to do with "energy", EKG's don't work on me, watches stop all the time and I can at times literally get lost in a parking lot.

What if there was some kind of a "pulse" that reverberated along the energetic ley lines of the particular field that the birds were flying through, or the fish were swimming through?

If there is no logical explanation, then we have to think of that which most would not consider.

Annette

[FirstLight]

69. ...and more - Now in CA

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/01/11/us/AP-US-Mystery-Bird-Deaths.html?_r=1&hp

more than 100 found in the northern Ca wine country by Hwy 101

again, 'officials' have no idea why...and the snark in GD is plapable

Does anyone here really think 'this stuff happens all the time' and we are just making a mtn out of a molehill?

methinks the animals are trying to tell us something, too bad we are just dense humans

[OneGrassRoot]

72. More (Alabama); thank you, Katty:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x582059

[FirstLight]

73. SEALS now?

looks like the pollution or something is moving up the foodchain...will we wake up in time to heal this planet?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4699713&mesg_id=4699713

[NuttyFluffers]

74. i think pole shift is exposing us to micro-blasts of solar electromagnetic pulses

a consistent electromagnetic polarity from our planet creates a gigantic magnetosphere -- a big magnetic shield, if you will. this helps shield our planet from general solar wind (which without would've stripped our atmosphere ages ago), and also survives electromagnetic blasts that occasionally come our planet's way. these include solar flares, coronal mass ejections, and the like.

well, with earth winding up for a polar shift -- something never witnessed or recorded in human history -- there will be "weak spots in the shield," if you will. thus magnetic fields will go all screwy, but likely at lighter levels (unlike solar flares or others that create electromagnetic pulses strong enough to damage some of our electronics). if there is an organ in the brain for many migratory animals that is highly sensitive to the earth's polar magnetics, then any weak points, scrambling, and pushing done from the sun would cause shocking turbulence in the delicate organ. essentially it would be like rapid compression/decompression, a la barometric pressure. it would explain the internal brain concussions.

however, as i am not a scientist on the ground, this is mere speculation on my part. but it would explain the seemingly random spread of die-offs around the world, along with highlighted areas with more extreme die-offs.