Anybody want to talk about 2012

[EnlightenedOne]

What you know, what you think?

I watched Brad Meltzer's "Decoded" last night which dealt with the Hopi Prophesies and the Mayan Calendar. I wound up learning quite a few other things that I had not been aware of. I know I've read some of this stuff before - but the past few months I've been reading David Wilcox and others, and based on all of the combined evidence - I'm convinced 2012 is it. It was mentioned in this program last night that "remote viewers" cannot see past 2012 and there is something they mentioned - whose name is escaping me at the moment - a Web something that was invented which pulls information from worldwide computers and makes predicitons - it cannot predict from 12/21/12 until 5/13/15 (don't have my notes with me that I took), but something like that.

Just would like to get you guys' input if you feel like it.

This is a post I posted this week in GD,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x192306#196504

[katty]

1. there is the web bots project at halfpasthuman.com

I have read the Hopi Prophecies, they are so insightful.

[EnlightenedOne]

3. Thanks Katty - I will have to check that out

yes, it was web-bots.

[findrskeep]

2. This is really interesting....

I have seen reference to this personally two or three times over the last week and a half! WEIRD. When I was about 13 or 14 years old, I knew that I was going to have a boy child, that I would raise mostly alone, and much later have a little girl. My children at 10 years apart. I raised my son mostly on my own before marrying my daughter's Father whom I am still married to. The strange thing is that all my life I have wondered why I knew what was going to happen from the time they were born and could see them up until my son was mostly grown and my daugther looked to be about 8-10 years old. This is the age they are now, my son is 18 and my daughter turns 9 on Jan. 17th. I never could "see" anything past that. And it always worried me. At one time, I even thought I was going to die, or something terrible was going to happen, because everything was so clear up until they reached this age. Then nothing. So I "stumbled" on something about this about a week ago and it all made sense and just clicked!! A life long mystery solved is what it felt like. Then I got a "download" of information from my guides and I realized the reason mystics, psychics, etc. haven't been able to see past 2012 because it wasn't decided yet. We are creating it as we go. It truly is completely up to us what kind of life we want to have and we are creating it with our intentions. At least that's the message I got, and it resonates with me to be true.

[EnlightenedOne]

5. Hey - welcome to DU

and to this forum - I've been here a long time (under a different name) and have since then been mostly reading here, but not posting that much. Your post is very interesting. I'm finding that everything is fitting together, the science, the history of our earth, channelled messages, what NASA is saying, etc., and then to watch that show last night was just too bizarre. I've noticed too that Meltzer's show generally comes around to disprove what they are searching, and last night they couldn't.

[WhiteTara]

15. thanks. I went to the HPH site

and some it was really scary. Then I read about his current diet and now new diet and I wonder if it affects his reading of the signs. So, I prefer to live in my reality. Things are rocky all around, and today, I am healing my body and cleaning up my life. That's all I can do. That and love everything and everyone around. Not to shut out the fear, but to remember there is more to this reality than one emotion.

[EnlightenedOne]

29. I didn't look into the HPH site really - And an Explanation

just glanced at it, but I am thrilled that you posted your reality. Please don't be afraid of 2012, there really is nothing to fear, and that gives me a great opportunity to post here the things that I have learned over my 20+ years of study. Am I right? I don't know, and I guess it really doesn't matter, but this is the what I have learned and believe at my soul level.

First of all - acopolypse means "the revealing". All truth will finally be revealed to us - all that has been hidden. And in a way - I can see that happening now with Wikileaks, the History Channel (has been blowing my mind) and the Jesse Ventura show (which they now have taken off the air) but he was able to expose a GREAL DEAL of information before they shut him down.

The other thing is that actually - we are all ALREADY okay and all is well. We cannot be harmed. Our higher selves are already in paradise and we're just making movies - living our lives (all of them simultaneously) in order to learn and grow.

The Creator realized his creation was bored - we weren't perfecting our souls or challenging ourselves and we weren't really learning or growing, so the collective decided to set up this dark/light scenario to challenge ourselves. All we are doing is playing a game - its not real, death is not real, and we've been playing this game on planet Earth for the past umpteen years and every 26,000 years the cycles end (Atlantis, disappearance of dinasours, etc.) and then we make another huge leap in consciousness. We are living in 3D, which is pretty much a prison planet. We will be going into 4d/5d at the end of this cycle in 2012 - where we will not be slaves to our jobs or money, or anything else. We will arrive in a completely different environment - where there is peace and unity and we all work for the betterment of each other. We KNOW that we are all really one. Personally, I'm looking very forward to that environment. I read on this forum so many times of people saying "beam me up", "I don't belong here", etc., etc. And really we don't. The energy here is so heavy for us. Most souls that have chosen to incarnate on planet Earth at this time knew at a soul level that we would be the ones to usher in the new era, we chose to go through all this. I've heard variations of this - that many were chosen, but few agreed to come. Even the dark entities are playing their roles, no doubt unknowingly, to challenge us to break free and learn and feel our truth.

The key to all of his is - and what will be the deciding factor - is - are we service to others, or service to self. There are soo many people in need - are we helping them, or being selfish? Has material gain been our only motivation? To me it is easy to see who will ascend and who will not. Obviously not the Wall Street types who robbed us, or the insurance executives, etc., etc. Those whose main ambition in this life was to accumulate as much wealth as possible will suffer the consequences of that - but, they get to come back and do it all over again until their souls get it right and move forward. But God knows - and he certainly did make it easy for us - because all we see is people in need. Soooo many in need its just absolutely heartbreaking - but if we realize that these people came and chose that path in order to move us spiritually higher, to give as much as ourselves as we could, to help and to care - we could never say in the end that opportunity was never given to us, because it is everywhere.

We were seeded her by an alien race and allowed to play the game - which we have, and which the dark has been allowed to reak havoc on us, but that will end here and no doubt start over somewhere else on another planet.

Its early and I no doubt have not made myself very clear, but anyway, that is the "gist" of it. We are all fine, and we'll always be fine. This world is only an illusion that we have created and that is why our thoughts are soooo powerful - what we think, we create. Fear is the exact opposite of love - always choose love, and in the end, really, that's all that matters. That's it. How much did we love, and I'm absolutely blown away that Obama said that recently. And I know that to be true, as I watched a woman I cared deeply for die (she had alzheimer's) and an hour or so before she died - she woke up briefly and looked at me and said - oh my gosh - all there is is love - that's all.

So take that for what's it worth.

[BanzaiBonnie]

30. Right on!

[OneGrassRoot]

4. I'm rather clueless about this subject...

though interested, of course. :)

I simply wanted to say hello and give you a :hug:

:hi:

[EnlightenedOne]

6. Well thank you OGR!

You are a sweetheart! "Choose Love" are the most simplistic, yet very powerful words. I just love it.

Well, that was my hope, that we could all give our input and help to educate one another. I'm pretty convinced - and its like - why are we talking about the election in 2012 - I just don't think its going to matter.

I have websites that I've been reading that I can share. I also recently met a lovely person here - liberalloner - and I've asked her to check this forum out, hopefully she will. At least we can discuss the issue without awhole lot of negativity and poo-pooing.

[OneGrassRoot]

7. Your screen name alone can attract those in GD who may not know of this forum...

but be very interested. Many people aren't aware of the sub-forums here at DU. Hopefully more souls of like mind, and like heart, will gather.

:hi:

[EnlightenedOne]

8. Weird - When I was logging back on to DU

and trying to think of a name - I had briefly thought of a couple of negative ones and I thought nah, I don't want to have a negative name - and then this one popped into my head - so I said, well, that's the one then! And I know I'm not the only one, but since it came out of the blue to me - I said that's my new name!

[findrskeep]

9. I would love to hear of the websites you read Enlightenedone...

also, where can I watch the show you watched last night? BTW, have you checked out www.projectcamelot.org? There's some really interesting interviews on there. I watched one with Delores Cannon recently and she speaks of "two earths" and that those who choose to move into 5th density will live on one, and the other one will be for those who choose to stay in 3rd density but they won't be aware there is a parallel earth. I don't know if you follow Karen Bishop but I remember her speaking about this some time ago. Interesting stuff. Thanks in advance!

[EnlightenedOne]

28. Here are some of the websites

yes, I have briefly checked out the Project Camelot site because David Wilcox mentions it - I really like him and he is who I've been reading alot lately since I found him. His site is:

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=26


Also - I love this site and have been reading it for years and its been by far one of my favorites:

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com


Here are others off the top of my head:

http://www.thegroundcrew.com/

http://awakenedhearts.com/

http://benutoo.com/

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. I talk about 2012 all the time.

:rofl::hi:

[shanti]

11. i saw that show too

and found it extremely interesting. i've been following the 2012 thing for awhile and keep finding new items all the time. if you find anything else, please post them!

:hi:

[Lindsey]

12. I just wonder if some hugh event (for lack of a better word) is

actually supposed to happen on Dec. 21, 2012 or if a bunch of events leading up to it (which seem to be happening now) will lead up to something or what? I know this isn't well worded but I'd love input from folks here (especially if something is supposed to happen on that exact day (12/21/2012).

[kimmerspixelated]

13. This is one of my fav. subjects!

I read a book of essays, The Mystery of 2012, with among others, Gregg Braden, and they went over all the theories, history, Mayan, astrophysics, alignments, everything...I find every facet of it to be totally intriguing, and one of the things that really stands out to me has to do with fractal time. And the way I understood this discussion of time was that up until now we have been experiencing it in a linear way, even though our past and future are happening at the same time...but that when the harmony occurs, the shift, whatever you want to call it, supposedly it is the end of time, but only as we perceive it...like the pond ripple stopping, and I wonder is this how we step into another dimension? Is this other dimension the only way we can conceive of fractal time? I must re-read the book!

[OneGrassRoot]

14. Aha! Gregg Braden....

He's next on my reading list. Which books of his do you recommend? I remember wanting to read "The God Code" a year or so ago.

He's awfully cute, too. ;)

:loveya:

[findrskeep]

16. OGR, check out some of Gregg Braden's interviews on youtube..

There's all kinds of them!

[OneGrassRoot]

21. Ooooh, good idea!

duh, me. ;)

Thanks, findrskeep!

:hug:

:hi:

[PADemD]

20. The God Code was excellent!

[OneGrassRoot]

22. Thanks, PADemD!

I'm going to see if I can find any videos with him discussing it.

:hi:

:hug:

[BanzaiBonnie]

32. MY favorite, the one that had the most impact on my life..

Secrets of the Lost Mode of Prayer:
The Hidden Power of Beauty, Blessing, Wisdom and Hurt

[BlueIris]

17. As some of you know, I'm conflicted about whether or not I think 2012 is significant.

Also, for the record, I'm pretty comfortable with my intuitive sense, and I have lots of predictions for 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, etc. I have this desire to tell any "remote viewer" who claims he or she "can't see" 2012, a prima donna attention whore. Or maybe that he or she doesn't want to see it, because it will require acknowledging some things about society the viewer doesn't want to accept.

You want insanity, transformation, death, pain and social unrest? Try the coming year. I think 2011 will be one of the worst in American and world history.

[Howler]

18. Sorry to say thats what i'm getting Blue Iris.

But I'm also getting that this is just the end of the beginning not the End times some schools of thought are predicting.
BUT this planet is going to rock she's gonna roll.

[Callie McAllie]

24. I actually read the other day that the first part of 2011

is supposed to be chaotic, but that by mid-year things get calmer and more hopeful, peaceful even, laying the groundwork for what's to come in 2012.

I prefer to remain optimistic.

[kimmerspixelated]

27. Yes, this is what I like to believe...

Or hope it plays out like that...

[PADemD]

19. The full episode can be seen here

http://www.history.com/shows/brad-meltzers-decoded/videos?paidlink=1&vid=HIS_SEM_Search&keywords=decoded&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=decoded&utm_term=decoded#brad-meltzers-decoded-2012

[Shallah Kali]

23. I find what Barbara Hand Clow has to say interesting

here are some mp3 interviews with her:

http://www.justenergyradio.com/archive-pages/bclow.htm

Barbara Hand Clow has been teaching the critical importance of time acceleration and the Mayan Calendar since May 2005. Drawing on the breakthrough work of Swedish biologist Carl Johan Calleman, author of The Mayan Calendar: Transformation of Consciousness, Barbara explains the significance of the Nine Underworlds, all of which conclude in October 2011. We are living in the Galactic Underworld, with the Universal Underworld still to come in 2011. During each Underworld, time speeds twenty times faster than the preceding one. This explains the sudden shifts in evolution, going back to the creation of the universe. Barbara makes Calleman's material easy to understand, so that its life-changing significance is clear to all of those who listen and learn.

BARBARA HAND CLOW - THE MAYAN CODE - INTERVIEW WITH NIGHTFALLPROJECT 2010 1/6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmw2TsqCXTU

The Hillary Raimo Show: Barbara Hand Clow Part 1/6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq0M2W66emM

the future is fluid and all interpret information through the lens of their experience - personal, family, cultural, collective, etc. We are all like the blind sages and the elephant with one seeing the animal like a strong pillar, one a waving fan, another as a writhing snake. I like her theory that the expectation of massive worldwide catastrophe is from it actually happening millienia ago - we've been there, done than, and got the PTSD to prove it which is why humans are so quick to get on the end of days bandwagons for thousands of years now.

Butterfly Hug emdr relaxation exercise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npNegFO1l00

[MorningGlow]

25. Welcome to DU and to ASAH, EnlightenedOne!

We've had quite a few discussions about 2012 here over the years. I wrote an article in 2009 about it; after doing much research for the article and talking to Barbara Hand Clow, Susie Ward, Tom Kenyon, and Judi Sion, and referencing David Wilcox and Gregg Braden and a few others' writings, I'd have to say that, IMO, 2012 is an ongoing evolution that started several years ago in earnest and will continue past the specific date.

Also IMO, I think 12/21/12 is actually a little past the tipping point/catalyst date; I think we've either already had it or it's upcoming shortly. I think 2011 is more important than 2012 for "dramatic events", although I firmly do NOT believe there will be any sort of apocalypse.

But, like I said, that's just my own opinion. :hi:

[Proud_Lefty]

26. I totally agree with that

On 12/21/12, there will be an alignment with the sun, earth and milky way which hasn't happened in thousands of years and that astrologically is supposed to have significant meaning of change or a shift. There's been discussion of this alignment since ancient times and many ancient artifacts has been left for us reflecting these discussions. It's amazing how knowledgeable people in ancient times were regarding astrology. Some ruins seem to depict specific dates from the anticipated alignment of the stars.

What is going to happen on that particular date is just unknown, despite the numerous predictions. People may or may not be consciously aware of anything happening on 12/21/12. We simply don't know for sure. But many predicted things are already happening and many, like me, believe it will just continue on many years afterwards. What seems to be definite, though, is that our world has been on a self destruction course for a long time and needs to change. How that change happens depends on us - we have much more power than we've ever been led to believe we have.

I'm excited about what is to come.

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. "I'm excited about what is to come."

That's the spirit! :hi: