New family information bubbling out all over

[get the red out]

My sister and I were given new information over the weekend that changed our whole view on our childhood and family. I started to post this in Rick's thread, wondering if this is part of the Astrological goings on currently, but the story just got to big as I typed.

We are still trying to process everything we learned this weekend in light of how we were raised. We traveled to our hometown to get some financial documents we needed to help our mother, who recently moved to assisted living. These were in our parents’ lock box in the bank. While looking for them we found interesting things like our grandmother’s birth certificate (cool) ect…and our parents marriage license. I almost absently picked the marriage license up when I was struck by the date, January 31, 1964; we had ALWAYS been told it was 1/31/63. This meant, in effect, that I was somewhat present (in utero) for their quick wedding in Grundy, VA! I’m 46 years old, my sister and I were raised by a puritanical mother, and now we find this out, AMAZING!

This led my sister and I to accidentally put the documents we had come for back in the box. We realized this later, while eating lunch, and returned (we needed to take one of them to another bank in town, small town banking, the person that can take care of one thing is only at the main bank, but the box was at the branch). We looked at the license again, took the second copy (we thought) then went to the car. The car was absolutely dead! A three year old car. While we waited on AAA I suddenly realized we still didn’t have one of the documents we came for so my sister returned inside the bank and got it. Then we saw that we never made it out with the marriage license copy at all.

We were jump started, found the nearest auto parts store, bought a battery, and finally got our business taken care of, but we were still blown away. I told my sister at the time that I believed the battery died (was killed by someone/something, maybe Dad) to make sure we didn’t leave without all the documents we needed. The car was a 2007 Honda with damn few miles on it and not showing a sign of trouble before, even during the hideous winter we just got through.

After we returned home, I emailed my oldest friend about this whole deal, he had been literally the little neighbor boy I grew up with, and he said that yes, his family was told this information when we were kids by ANOTHER neighbor of ours (incidentally the wife of my Dad’s cousin) but he choose not to tell me because this lady was known to be a bit loopy and into her valium and he didn’t want to harm me with potentially false information, but he did tell me that they had been told that my parents hadn’t been dating long when my Mom got pregnant with me.

All the times our Mom ranted about not wanting us to have anything to do with kids whose parents were divorced, all the hating on the little girl in my 3rd grade class whose mother had never been married, all the rages over any interest we showed in boys at very age appropriate times growing up….But at least it answered the question we’ve always had “why did our super intelligent, generous, funny, easy-going Dad MARRY HER???????” Me……

This led my sister and I to conversations about what leads people to choose the family they are born into? What do we believe about that? I really believe that free will has a lot of play in these lives we lead and that makes spiritual ideas complicated for me. I don't believe the adage that nothing happens by mistake because humans make mistakes. We analyzed possible alternative outcomes, like me potentially being given up for adoption and her never being born, she currently would consider this preferable to our family situation in this life. I reminded her that I could have been raised by our Mom and Grandparents without our Dad and most likely been an early suicide or worse. We had a mess of a spiritual discussion with no conclusions but lots of ideas. I guess all any of us have are ideas. I may be at a point where I figure I needed whatever lessons I have gotten and am getting and my sister is still just angry over having a quite mentally ill Mom (she spent her whole childhood praying for our parents to divorce and Dad to take us away). We can't experience the out of sight out of mind that adulthood brought now that we are trying to help her. One can't help but wonder still what if...

[Ricochet21]

1. Uranus is just full of surprises!

so, how does this liberate YOU is the question.

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4. I felt liberated immediately

And I'm still trying to figure out why. It made me wonder if this was what it felt like to slip dimensions and see another whole reality that was ever so slightly, but powerfully different. Once I became a "bad child" I saw my folks as the "royal we". Somehow it helps to see that the we wasn't any more royal than I was. I am liberated by a falsehood that not even my best friend dared reveal to me, even though he was permitted the knowledge and I wasn't, and it was about ME. What a strange world.

[Celebration]

2. Good point that Rick makes

This is literally a new beginning for you and your sister, and I have tremendous gratitude that you now know the truth.

"Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set ye free." Always.

You and your sister are now set free. Secrets are binding and constraining.

[get the red out]

5. Indeed they are

They are kind of a darkness over the rest of a person's real world. Flip the light switch PLEASE! I haven't been able to see in the corners for half a century, LOL!

[OneGrassRoot]

3. Wow, GTRO...

that's pretty powerful.

No words, just :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug :hug:

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7. Hugs to you also!

I feel myself pulling my imaginary home-net closer around my husband, dog, and my sister and her family while lil' sis (who is a Scorpio) is ready to just BLOW.

I had two large black dogs greet me Saturday night as I went out to the trash before going to my car. I am starting to wonder what that might have been about also. I figured they were someone's escaped pets on a romp, completely friendly they came right to me and my dog and sniffed and greeted us, but maybe they were performing some other function as well.

Back in the early fall I saw what I believe could have been a spirit dog, large, black, shaped like a cross between a Lab and a Doberman. I thought that was a loose pet but I blinked and he was gone with nothing but the tree he was sitting in front of casting it's own shadow. I still don't know if that was imagination, early morning sleepy eyes, or something real. A major event occurred shortly after though, my husband's nephew's car was destroyed in a hit and run (it was parked outside their home and was the used car Mr. Red had bought him for his 16th birthday) that night, and shortly afterward my husband became ill again, most likely due to the car stress, but has been well since. I also took a fairly bad fall the very next day when I tripped over my then young puppy (now almost grown dog) in the exact same spot I was standing the morning before when I "saw" the black shadow dog.

I hadn't shared that story because at the time I was afraid even you guys would think I was imagining things in the shadows, and I may have been. But I keep hoping/feeling that maybe since I encountered physical dogs of a very similar discription this time, and they showed us quite a big of affection before SUDDENLY moving on (despite my trying to call them back to try to see if the owner was listed on their jingling tags), perhaps it is a good sign, like some kind of completion. I don't know, just spouting off like a nut today :silly:

[OneGrassRoot]

8. I agree...

Those dogs visiting feels like a completion of some cycle. (And you should know WE wouldn't think you're imagining things! ;))

Spout on, girlfriend!

:loveya:

[Sanity Claws]

6. Do you plan to confront your mother?

Or is she too ill?

Interesting turn of events.
One thing really struck me about your conversation with your sister. The two of you sound very, very close. You have intense conversations about reincarnation and soul contracts and theorize on possibilities. Would you have been this close if you had had a happier relationship with your mother? It would have been a different relationship, I think. Perhaps you should consider this when the two of you think through all the ramifications of having been born into your particular family.

[Shallah Kali]

9. ... could it be you came to be with each other more than for what parents you had?

could it be you are here not because you chose your Mother because you wanted/needed her to be your Mom but it was the best way to get to be with one or more people who ended up in your life through her?


You might find this book excerpt interesting - "Return from Heaven: Beloved Relatives Reincarnated Within Your Family By Carol Bowman"

http://books.google.com/books?id=FhuZcNaieMUC&pg=PA169#v=onepage&q&f=false

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11. I hadn't thought of that!

I will pass that thought along to my sister!

I have seen that book but could never actually get it and read it because of the idea of reincarnating with many members of my family over and over, ewwwwwww.... I wanted to keep that out of my head! My sister is fine, I have a few bones to pick with Dad, and I am pretty certain that I have been through this physical world stuff with them, and my husband before as well. Though the thought of having Mom smother me emotionally from lifetime to lifetime makes me want another shower.

edited because the word completing part of my brain never woke up today.

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10. Good points!

We are close, and we have similar spiritual views. I should have added the first time I posted this reply that we haven't always been close, that our Mother kept us turned against each other off and on for many years. We have been close for about the past 16 years or so. My Mother tries now to turn me against my sister (who has more trouble holding her tongue with Mom) but it frustrates her that she cannot and I refute what she says. She told me I was supporting "the devil" because my sister was "the devil". Desperation.

We won't confront her, we both believe she probably believes they got married in 1963 at this point and would deny everything and rant and rave. For me, Mom was so nasty in her reaction to us showing any hint of having a sex life as young adults that I burn with embarrassment at the thought of bringing up something like that to her. I could never do it. Ick... It was weird having her stay in our house over Thanksgiving this year and sleeping in the same room with my husband with her there. I was grateful the dog slept with us that night, LOL, it sanitized it a bit.