forgiveness of debt,

[FirstLight]

I have heard it said more than once “you made bad decisions, and now you think you should be forgiven your debts…”
Well, yes.

Those decisions we have made that lead us to a place of hardship are more complex than just right & wrong. Lessons of personal worth take many forms, and some have to learn those lessons over & over before they break free of the illusion they are powerless or worthless.
There seems to be a prevailing hatred toward those less fortunate, underlying it all. Like they are responsible for their sadness so they deserve to be stuck in it. If that were true, how could it not apply to you as well? Just because someone has the right job or tv or house doesn’t mean they are whole. What it means is that they are enmeshed in the Illusion of control and power, and just better at covering it up. (And that never lasts very long). Every one of us has their crosses to bear and their mistakes they hold over themselves. Some are just better at masking it. Usually the finger pointing helps because then they don’t have to look at their own wounds.

Life sometimes *does* seem to just Happen to us…very rarely do we have the feeling that we are in control and our destinies are unfolding just as we planned....even when we are in a "healthy space"...
This is the very nature of life here, and many times the lessons we have to learn about ourselves, how to function in this world, and how to deal with others, HAVE to be hidden or we wouldn’t go there to begin with.
Financial debt, struggle, loss and addictions are representative of our belief in karma and cause & effect.

If we forgave ALL debt in our lives, how would that look? If we forgave those wounds and released ourselves from the victimhood, how would that shift our outer reality and abilities to accept abundance in our lives?

I saw an interesting exercise in the Four-Fold Way: about really looking at your ‘wound’ story. We all have one, perhaps many chapters…it is how we tell others and ourselves who we think we are as a result of the hard knocks we have received. When we accept those lessons completely, when we really see how we have grown PAST them and moved on… can we then release the story?
How would you tell your story of Who You Are without mentioning the wounds? How do you tell your story in Present tense? How can your story be expansive, joyful and heartfelt…answer these questions, and forgiveness is already a done deal.


( i downloaded this on the way home after dropping the kids off this morning...after someone in GD said something that 'stuck' with me and i asked my guides to clarify why it was bugging me...)

[eilen]

1. Great post FL!

I read the GD discussion you are referencing and agree. Currently my brother is going through a horrible Saturn transit induced financial hell. I'm a little concerned about his mental/emotional stability--he has worked so hard to try and keep everything-- and not just his own family/household-- above water and gets little assistance from those close to him-- more like he tends to attract lazy self centered leeches like his ex (and current gf).

There is an IRS issue and his ex girlfriend just turned him into the codes dept. who now want him to tear down half his house within the next 21 days.... Plus he has a couple of jobs he has to be at and keep going (he is a contractor/carpenter). So please, if anyone else reads this response--send him some good vibes!

[Avalux]

2. Your post really speaks to me.....

I am working on forgiving; all the times I've felt I've been wronged unfairly, all the wounds received by others; all the wrongs I've committed. I realize the only way I can be free - truly free - and emotionally whole is to let it all go; let go of the victimhood and forgive. Part of that is forgiving MYSELF too, for what I've done to others (whether intentionally or not).

This has helped me personally find a way to see how the experiences (even horrible ones) have helped me be the person I am today. I'm also able to let go of the negative strings that bind me to others.....my thought is that by releasing them from blame or whatever you want to call it, they can find a way to be free as well.

[Kookaburra]

3. I feel this was meant for me

I've been having an issue with manifesting, and until I read this, couldn't figure out why. I'd let go of expectations, I'd let go of negative emotions attached to $$, I thought I was in total "surrender", but I wasn't, as it turns out.

I'm still holding onto debts, not monetary, that I feel others owe me. To my surprise, I find I still haven't forgiven those who abused me as a child. What I found is that I am holding out for a sincere apology for what they did to me, which is impossible in the case of one of them because he is dead now. And what's worse? I haven't forgiven those who didn't recognize (my parents) that I was being abused and do something about it. Unbelievable. I thought for sure 15 years of therapy had finally put this to rest, but NOOOOOO. I have to revisit this crap AGAIN.

I appreciate that you've posted this, FL. It was needed.

[liberalmuse]

4. I love this...

especially since I've spent the morning trying to get my finances in order. I read a very sad post on DU yesterday from someone overwhelmed with their student loans, and being in an even worse position, it hit me. Good people become enslaved because they wanted an education and had some expectations that they'd find a better job and be able to pay off their investment, or else they suffered ill health and are bogged down with insurmountable medical bills. Or maybe because they thought a new car or electronic device would make them feel better. It doesn't matter. At one point, I'd considered suicide because of the shame of my student loans (years ago). I've gone online to read that I'm not the only one, and that scares me because I don't want anyone to ever feel that way.

Thank you for this!

[OneGrassRoot]

5. You've really touched people, FL. Ric will say I'm being a Virgo....

and feeling a need to "fix" and heal things -- ;) -- and he's right. Yet how can one not read through the replies here...or read anywhere these days...and not want to find a way to facilitate the healing of wounds that many have endured their entire adult lives?

I am so sorry for everyone who is suffering, especially when they have faced the wounds head on, thought they had released them, yet they return.

I don't have anything intelligent to add here. I just want to offer an invitation that if this group would like to gather more privately, as a support network of sorts, you have a private gathering space at Wishadoo.

FL and others may have ideas as to how to come together regarding healing, and maybe radiate that healing to others we know and meet.

BanzaiBonnie, for example, is a wonderful facilitator of discussions, helping others get to the heart of the matter and peeling back the layers of the proverbial onion.

Maybe more discussion isn't required; maybe a simple acknowledgment of that suffering -- and the struggle to heal -- is all some may need.

I don't know. I just want to offer hugs and love and whatever I can to ease anyone's pain. I know I can't heal the world; I'm not trying to. I'm just reaching out to friends who may be in pain and offering to hold your hand from afar.

How may I/we help you (whoever is reading) in this moment?




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[FirstLight]

6. the student loan thread was my trigger for this...

This week, in meditation class we discussed emotional body and how triggers are a reminder we have 'lost our space'

so when someone said something to me that got my hackles up, i had to take a look at it and see where it hit me
My 3rd chakra was all lit up, judgement, don'tcha know?

so as i was asking for answers, this came flying into my head...i was driving home and trying not to lose it!

The biggest part for me is the feeling that we assume guilt at not being able to succeed in a failing paradigm...
So many of us have been struggling up this hill and trying to fit into the illusion, and then we are made wrong or faulty for not being able to function that way...
The channelings coming through the past few days are really telling us the tide is turning, and we were not wrong, just 'wired differently'
and the time to move into the new paradigm is NOW - we keep hearing it's time to LET GO, well i think this is part of it. and that also means letting others HAVE their wounds and lessons, and recognizing what's ours for real, what contracts did we sign up for, and what contracts can we upgrade and change and release?

I have likened it to a bag of rocks we all carry on our backs, and usually before we even start up a path, or when we meet someone new, the first thing we do is take out those damn rocks and drop them in our own way!
what a life we could have if we just set down the stupid bag of rocks, bless them, and then turn around, look up, breathe and say...what a lovely path, let's see where it takes me!

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side note, as I was writing this, my teen came home for the first time since March, got some things out of the garage...and then actually knocked in the door, hugged me and had a chat. he hasn't spoken to me in months!
I kept it light, showed him some things we have been up to, and he petted his kitty he misses ...but that was an easy way to let it go.
I bit my tongue about some of the stuff that has transpired... why take out my rocks and throw them at him? right?
omg, forgiveness is a powerful thing, indeed! :loveya:

[bigmonkey]

7. I have a hard time forgiving, like everyone.

I remember, though, a moment quite a few years ago when it became crystal clear to me that forgiving was entirely in my own interest. Not just that, but thoroughly that as well as whatever other qualities and benefits it has. People confuse forgiving and forgetting. You don't have to forget what happened to forgive it, although it may not seem as urgent to remember it once you have forgiven it!

Your post also makes me think in religious/political terms as well. I wish more Xtians would emphasize the idea of jubilee. We could sure use forgiveness of debt all over the world right now, and the idea of forgiving all debts every seven years (jubilee) seems full of mercy compared to the system we're under now.

[FirstLight]

8. jubilee...never heard of it

but let's think about the whole idea that usuery was a crime in ancient christian times. and Money is really nothing other than a symbol for what someone ELSE thinks you are worth...
I will have to look up the whole jubilee thing, it would be a good movement to promote, for sure!

[FirstLight]

9. holy wow!

there IS an organization for this concept!

http://www.jubileeusa.org/


oooh...and i just found this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Johnson contends that the Torah treats lending as philanthropy in a poor community whose aim was collective survival, but which is not obliged to be charitable towards outsiders.

But one must always consider that usury, in historical context, has always been inextricably linked to economic abuses, mostly of the masses and of the poor; but sometimes of the financier and royalty, as bankrupt royalty has led to many a demise, thus frowning upon lending at interest or for a euphemistic "just profit". The main moral argument is that usury creates excessive profit and gain without "labor" which is deemed "work" in the Biblical context. Profits from usury are argued not to arise from any substantial labor or work but from mere avarice, greed, trickery and manipulation. In addition, usury is said to create a divide between people due to obsession with monetary gain. Most importantly, usury is the derivation of profit from biological time, which is linked to life, considered sacred, God-given and divine, leading to excessive worrying about money instead of God, thus subjugating a God-given sanctity of life to man-made artificial notions of material wealth.

[FirstLight]

10. so these lessons in different ways to heal keep presenting themselves

today, i had a run-in with the nieghbor across the street. They's lived there for a couple years (we've been here 4 yrs) they bought a forclosed house (that belonged to a couple that was really cool, unfortunately) spent months renocvvating and then moved in. they do not say HI, they do not welcome any interaction from me or the kids, when we complement them on their flowers, they say nothing, it has gotten worse...to where my son can;t practice baseball in the fron or the street, because they told him if the ball goes on their yard, he can;t have it back...total bullshit...

so the passive aggressive bitch (yes, i know i am not being very forgiving in my tale, but it may be a part of the process) comes to our door and tells us that she is going to report us to the city for watering on the wrong water days...
I told her i am a renter, and that I have a couple calls in to the lawn guys to fix it... and I mention that in 2 years she hasn't even *tried* to be nice to us,
she goes into this tirade of how i was rude to them before they ever moved in, by looking for my (lost and pregnant) cat under their back porch when they were not there...how i said something once about their front porch light and MINE is always on...and hw all she hears is me yelling at my kids blahblahblah, and she ended with "why would I WANT to be nice to someone like you?"

i was really affected, i cried, i was SO hurt by the fact that someone can take just a handful of events and form a judgement about ME and WHO I AM
it was like dealing with the 'mean girl' at school, who decides she doesn't like your hair and that means you are a loser.

and while i moved past it to some degree, breathed and worked on the chakras that hurt (3rd totally blown out!)and talked to a good friend who does the same healing work and got it in perspective.and she reminded me that the chick probably needs healing, and i should send every time i feel awkward or uncomfortable with her...
but even though I understand the workings of it:

it has colored my day in a whole different light

[Kookaburra]

11. Oh honey, I'm sorry you're having to deal with that

I know how what I'm about to tell you sounds, but if you can, just be nice to her. Send her love and healing, yes, but also be obviously nice. It's really hard to be nasty to someone who is being friendly and genuinely nice. She may be able to do it (I've met a few who can), but usually people will concede that you're not a bad person and stop being so mean.

In the "meantime" (pun intended), sending you loving light to help you overcome her issues.