Orgone and Native Americans and seed ceremonies an old thread and dial up warning

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Okay, I have been wanting to go to Pinson Mounds for years, and I finally went Saturday. I don't know much Native American history or culture but I definitely have a fascination with mounds, pyramids and the like. It was an "Archeofest" weekend, held annually, about an hour and a half away from me. I didn't see all that much point in going there without some tour, but this included an optional tour by an state employed archaeologist. I knew to go early, and I was with four other people riding in a trailer thing behind a truck. I was thanking the stars that my husband wasn't with me.

I learned that the Pinson Mound complex consisted of the Saul Mound, which is the second biggest Native American Mound in North America, and the tallest in the time frame that it was built (middle woodland period, I think 200-400AD), 72 feet high. A later mound across the Mississippi from St. Louis in Illinois, is the only one larger.

Here is the Saul Mound



But there are tons of mounds there, all "ceremonial", mostly burial, they think (???). The major ones are three flat ones surrounding and equidistant from Saul Mound, making a square, but sans the fourth one which they think was swallowed by the Forked Deer River. The three remaining flat mounds all have gradual ramps leading up to the top. Here is an example of a flat mound. Yes I know it is covered by trees.



This is another flat top mound, also covered by trees, but you might be able to see it better.



Here is a "ramp" up to the top of one of the three remaining flat top mounds.



So I learned that in Saul's Mound and Twin Mounds (not pictured) that when excavation was not politically incorrect, bodies were buried with objects obtained from trade, and the thought was that social status was conveyed with elaborate funerals, and that the descendants would be the beneficiaries of that.

But the flat mounds were different. They were built to be STRATIFIED into layers. There were layers of sand, alternating with ashes of the dead, purposely spread around to be mixed. Learning this was an AHA moment for me. ORGONE!!! Then I thought of this two year old thread here--

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=245&topic_id=71664 The flat mounds are orgone devices for seed ceremonies! Thanks for this thread, Lildreamer316!

Oh, did I tell you that Saul's Mound and the flat mounds are all aligned astronomically??? I didn't get the details, but in the museum there were photos showing where the sun rose and set on solstices and equinoxes. That related to the mounds.

Now when I theorized to our guide about possible seed ceremonies on these flat mounds, built with ramps, aligned with astronomy, and the site having no permanent residences from years past, and layered with inorganic (sand) and organic (ashes of the dead), he basically said "your guess is as good as mine." He had never heard of Wilhelm Reich.

That is the end of my speculation. I think the flat mounds were used for seed ceremonies and that they knew about orgone energy and layered the mounds in accordance with that. Still a bit macabre.

Another thing that I noted was that in the Twin Mounds, before they stopped excavating Native American sites, the bodies of several youngish females were found, with "elaborate" headdresses, made of cloth. Why had the cloth not deteriorated? Copper than had been obviously obtained by trade from near Lake Superior. All kinds of trade items were found from all over North America. Copper plus cloth equals orgone. Orgone energy had obviously helped preserve all this, but I kept my mouth shut at this point.

In another note I got to see some Aztec dancers at the festival....



and there was a raptor show!



I was exhausted but glad that I went, orgone freak that I am!

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1. More stuff that makes you go "Hmmmmmmmmmm."

The Ancients were so obviously in tune with things that we know nothing about--or have chosen to know nothing about as the centuries have passed. It would stand to reason that Reich didn't just pick Orgone out of thin air; it must have existed all along, waiting for a "name."

Amusing how we think of the Old Ones as primitive, isn't it?

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2. I once heard someone say

So what happened before gravity was discovered? Did apples just hang around in the air wondering what to do?

Everything we talk about here is really undiscovered or unaccepted science. That is what the Science forum just doesn't "get".

It can't be an accident that there were ramps up to the flat top mounds (think ceremonies), that these things were astronomically aligned (think equinox), and that there were careful layers of inorganic/organic materials. Orgone has a big, big effect on seeds and agriculture.

I wish there were more Reich fans in the group, and I am very happy that you are here!

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3. I like Reich, too :)

However, I don't know a whole lot about him or his work. When I read stuff like this, I tend to start thinking on tangents and go off looking in those other directions. Thus, I read quite a lot of "bits" and don't ever really focus fully on one subject.

Such as how the layering of the mounds made me think of Bio-Dynamic Farming where some formulas use dead animals, either whole or ground and mixed homeopathically. And the mounds part leads me to Science Frontiers where I have found a couple of good posts, one about underground structures within the mounds and the other about a circle of mounds that were built earlier than was previously known for other mounds:

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf138/sf138p01.htm

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf114/sf114p01.htm

And the very first thing that popped out at me even before I read your post was how that tree in the middle has several "faces". Fortean Times has a great section on something called "simulacra" :D

http://www.forteantimes.com/community/photos

As for the Science forum and the rest, well, most of them are stuck on materialism and you can't fight that. It's up to them within their various fields to figure out that the universe is more than just what's material/physical.

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4. plants

I know I read a book about what they called plant radionics, and they never even mentioned Reich or orgone I don't think. But this was a couple of decades ago. It may have been "The Secret Life of Plants." It was so weird I loved it. There were all sorts of crop suggestions, like burying pyramids in certain places, just offbeat stuff I never have heard of. I don't remember if it went into the layering. Maybe Reich was exposed to methods like these when he was in Germany.

Okay, now I am going to go back and look for the faces in the tree!

PS-- I am actually thinking about ordering an orgone blanket off Ebay. The person that makes them gets great reviews, but it is pretty expensive for a blanket!

No, I am no Reich expert or orgone expert either.

Edited to add, oh yes, I remember seeing all those faces in the tree now! I was like WOW that is really in my face! I am out in the woods a lot and never see any so clearly as this. Thanks for reminding me!

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5. "The Secret Life of Plants" talked about just the plants,

whereas "Secrets of the Soil" by the same author talked about growing techniques, the soil, composting, "weeds", and so forth, including bio-dynamics :)

Okay, just pulled out both books. In "Secret Life of Plants", the last chapters of the book are in Part V: The Radiance of Life, and includes two chapters on radionics and plants. There's one appendix on Steiner in "Secrets of the Soil", but the chapters are not titled in a way that makes one think of radionics easily. I need to see if either of these are available a ebooks, because my copies are quite yellowed.

I know the RexResearch site gets into plenty of topics about plants, mostly agriculture, but they are where I first learned about electro-culture. It's something I do want to try, when I have ground on which to grow ;)

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6. I wonder how many organic farmers

are using bio-dynamics or radionics.

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7. I seriously doubt it's more than a few percentage points.

Most people still don't know the term to begin with. Anything to do with radionics is still "fringe" for the most part.

A quick search shows that the Rodale Institute is teaching biodynamic farming techniques, so at least a few more farmers are learning about it. I know they are respected amongst organic farmers and gardeners alike as they've done so much good for the organic movement :)