Bad Karma comes home to Vick!!!!!!

[Howler]

http://www.examiner.com/dogs-in-national/more-karma-strikes-vick?CID=examiner_alerts_article


Breaking news has just been posted at SBNation.com - Michael Vick, quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles, has suffered a broken right hand.
The break occurred in the Eagles' game against the New York Giants.
According to the publication - it is unlikely that Vick will return to the game.
This injury comes hot on the heels of the debilitating injuries Vick sustained in the Eagles vs. Falcons game.

[get the red out]

1. Sh*t happens

Football is a tough sport, of course Mr. Vick has always had the ability to make his own choice whether or not to participate, unlike the defenseless beings he abused.

I feel so much pain emotionally when I think of animals being abused that I am happy I just feel nothing when I read about his misfortune. I don't want to add rage to the pain of feeling for the defenseless right now (I do that often enough).

Sh.. happens.

[Howler]

2. Yes It does Get the red ouT LOL!!!

And While I can appreciate your gentle soulfulness on the M.Vick issue ......
I am very gratified that there is a higher order in place instead of this american society's idolizing a murderer and companies paying out big bucks for this man's endorsements.
Sigh, It does my soul and heart good to see REAL justice No rage,no pain,(At least not mine, Though I imagine he has alot of pain right now) just acknowledgment of the higher good.

[get the red out]

34. I'm not so gentle, unfortunately

When I hear of animal abuse I have a very bad habit of instant rage and imagining going all Spanish Inquisition on the abusers. I will take any small bit of progress on this I can get. I can't stand the torture of innocents. When my dog snuggles up against my legs to go to sleep I can't help but think that anyone who could intentionally harm one of her kind for their own perverted pleasure is pure evil.

[Avalux]

3. I was struck by his whining during the press conference.

After the game, Vick commented on the refs, and how he was 'on the ground' just about every play; in a very annoying, whining voice. Come on Vick, you play football!

Vick is a very self-centered man and I realize a lot of football players are; but painting himself as a victim during that press conference reinforced the negative feeling I get when I see or hear him.

[Howler]

4. Yeah.

Vick definitely needs to quit whining.
At least vick won't be shot or electrocuted in his anus for not being able to perform in the arena like he did to those those pups.

[Avalux]

5. I'd like to believe he's sorry for what he did to those poor dogs.

But there's something inherently 'off' about someone who either performs or condones cruelty to animals. My better self wants to forgive him, but I just don't think he's a good person.

[Howler]

6. Oh I agree Avalux.

I feel it when I look at his eyes.....dead zone.
I really truly feel we will be reading more headlines about vick brutality as time goes by. I feel it will be expressed towards women.

[Ricochet21]

29. Great fun debate! nt

[get the red out]

32. Yea, that's the job of the defense

My husband told me about his whining. I guess he never bothered to learn that the job of the defense is to prevent the quarterback from doing his. He is a talented man, but a complete asshole, and every time he opens his mouth he shows it. I think the Karma will trickle down to his team and they will have to suffer for paying such a horrible person all that money.

[Ricochet21]

7. Oh come on everyone

He's not getting his "bad karma" (a human invention). He creates his own world. What's happening to him is because he hates himself. There is no universal scoreboard. There's love and there's not love. He has tons of critical Virgo energy in his chart.
Someone was very hard on him (he's a Cancer) and he continues the theme. It's not karma.

It's his choice to maintain it. Too many use Karma as an easy explanation.

There, I got that off of my chest. lmao

My penny plus one other penny.

[Howler]

8. Sorry Rick I disagree.

For EVERY action there is an equal reaction. It's Quantum.

[Ricochet21]

11. On the physical level, yes, that's Newton

On the quantum level, there is no thing causing another.

We're talking that same linguine here. We believe "we're gonna get it when we screw up" because
we keep projecting an old bearded man on a chair upstairs with a big clipboard.
Can't agree.

[Howler]

12. Rick

Of course its creating your own reality. What you put out there resonates in your auric Field magnetizing like or opposite reactions.If you create alot of pain,fear and misery it will come back and find you because it recognizes the like vibration.
It doesn't need an old man with a beard and a clip board.BTW I'm not a Christan I don't prescribe to that sort of thing. LOL!

[Ricochet21]

14. I see your point very clearly. This is not a Christian point (Thank Jesus)

Then why did Vick break his non-throwing hand, instead of his throwing hand?
Why didn't he have a fatal car crash?
What determines the "imagined punishment?"

Instigators don't "create" pain, fear, and anxiety.
The instigatee perceives it as such.
I'm not taking sides here.

Nothing causes anything because, if it did:

Event A would happen in time
causing
Event B to happen later

and, since Quantum Physics proves that there is not time, it's all an illusion, one cannot "cause" the other.
They both "exist" simultaneously. They both just "are".

playing with words Mrs. Howell :loveya:

[Howler]

17. He may yet Rick. Who knows.

Of course its not a punishment Rick.Its simply a reaction to his actions.
Like the butterfly and the hurricane.

Instigators don't "create" pain, fear, and anxiety.
The instigatee perceives it as such.
I'm not taking sides here.

Really Rick?
Seems to me that Vick as the instigator caused quite a bit of pain , fear, and anxiety in and for those dogs.
That energy is still out there.It doesn't just disappear.
And since they both exist simultaneously its going to go SOMEWHERE.




:hi:

[I Have A Dream]

22. Add me to those who definitely believe in karma.

It's not about good vs. bad, in my opinion. It's energetic, and it certainly doesn't have to happen during the current incarnation. That's what I hate about free will; I'd much rather we all have instant karma. It's much more merciful since we know why we are being "beaten up" when it happens. It's like what they say with dogs who do something that we don't like -- you have to catch them in the act, or they'll never understand why you're upset and just think that you're being mean when you yell at them. That's what happens to us with karma that's not instant. We certainly know to not put our hands on a hot stove; it only takes once or twice to figure that out!

That being said, I also believe that once a person learns his/her lesson associated with the thing that caused that karma, much of it goes away because an energetic change occurs.

Just my penny plus a penny... ;)

[Howler]

23. I'll bet you two pennies

That Vick hasnt learned a damn thing with the exception of hiring a p.r. guy to clean up his image.

IHad.With this time acceleration I swear that I have seen instant Karma. :pals:

[I Have A Dream]

24. I almost always get instant karma. Always have.

It's a blessing.

:hug:

[Howler]

28. Me Too!

I have definitely seen my share of lightning bolts with my name all over em.HHHHHHHOOOOOOWWWWWLLLLLLLLLL.
I also get alot of good stuff too LOL!

[Avalux]

9. I agree he's created his own world and that he hates himself.

But isn't there something to be said that for past actions; for current actions; there are adverse consequences? Of course he has the power to change course but I don't think he ever will; no introspection going on there.

[Matariki]

31. Well put.

I don't think the word is really understood much outside of Hindu philosophy. It's not like some cosmic vice-principal with a paddle.

[Howler]

36. We have also established on this thread that Karma....

Is also not some white bearded guy with a clip board handing out punishments.

[Celebration]

10. hmmm

It's not a fracture, it is a bruise. They haven't ruled him out playing next week. Might be a blessing in disguise for him to give him some time to come back from the concussion.

But who knows? A bruise can last awhile.

If this is from bad karma there must be a ton of NFL players that have bad karma, because they certainly do get injured.

[Howler]

13. Considering that its a gladiatorial sport....

Where pain is really just added entertainment for the spectators ,NO it doesn't surprise me in the least.Not to mention the headlines quite a few football players have generated off the playing Field over the years .snort!
At least the players made their own decision to enter in to the arena. The Vick dogs never had that option.

[Ricochet21]

15. I KNOW you love dogs

as do I. That isn't the point. What he did was AWFUL according to you and me. And may please our sense of "what he deserves" but it still doesn't mean it's karmic.

I can see that you and I are going to agree on this real soon. :rofl:

[Howler]

18. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Rick,
We are having our first disagreement. LOL!
Exhilarating isn't it!!!!:toast:

[Ricochet21]

19. It's not a disagreement

We're just bumping philosophies!
It's all good.
I love dogs

[Howler]

21. LOL!

"We're just bumping philosophies!"

Now that sounds a little pornagraphic.....if your a Howler.

Better to bump Philosphies then the dogs.LOL!:wow: :hug:

[I Have A Dream]

27. ...

:rofl:

[get the red out]

33. He may be bringing it on himself

On the soul level he may know what his human persona is at this point, he may be allowing his own punishment in a sense, maybe a split second too slow, not looking in his peripheral vision. Perhaps on some level he feels he has no right to succeed.

[Ricochet21]

16. If this is "bad karma"

then who is without?

[Howler]

20. No one.

Karma isn't a punishment. It is about growth of the soul. Nothing more nothing less.Its not personal.This Christan stuff seems to creep into other concepts it has no place in.

[I Have A Dream]

25. Yep. That's my belief also. nt

[Howler]

26. (((Hugs)))

:hug:

However, being human I reserve the right to observe and acknowledge Karma when it hits some people creating some justice in its wake.

[Matariki]

30. This is just a wee bit like grave dancing. I guess it would be 'injury dancing'.

What with all those excited exclamation points.

[Howler]

35. "Injury dancing"

Is only effective when done on the actual injury.LOL!

[Matariki]

49. OUCH!

[Kind of Blue]

37. I see it more as gloating.

Something I was raised always to avoid if I can help it. I guess parents also viewed that as "bad karma." My dad once quoted someone who said "All your gloating ignites is an insatiable desire for a fall to be wrought upon you, coming quietly and without warning." Can't remember the rest. But sheesh, that was enough for me!

[Howler]

38. Well!

How very patronizing of YOU. :eyes:

[Kind of Blue]

39. Not at all. Howler, I'm really sorry you

see it that way. That's not what I intended. It's just one of my core beliefs that gloating sets up it's own karma that's not necessarily a good one.

on edit: included a name I shouldn't have.

[Howler]

40. See it that way.......Really.

There wasn't any mention of the article in your post at all.
Your comments were aimed directly at the poster.

[Kind of Blue]

41. I agree with the poster

who also did not mention the article. The poster, I think, responded to the OP as grave/injury dancing - especially in referring to all the exclamation points, I understood it as grave/injury dancing too. My intention was to say, yeah, I see grave/injury dancing along the same line as gloating that I think also sets up karma. Not to patronize but to agree.

Really, wholehearted, full-throated apology to Matariki if she feels I insulted her in any way.

[Howler]

46. soooooooo.

Let me get this straight .... You are trying to correct what you feel is a judgmental attitude of grave dancing by doing the same thing to the poster only making it a personal commentary about the posters behavior being deserved of karma???.......right.

[Kind of Blue]

48. Honestly, Howler, I don't know how else

to tell you that I wholeheartedly agree with the poster. If judgement is what you want then I judge what the poster said/judged/implied/my understanding of the OP as grave dancing, is correct! I have absolutely nothing against what the poster said.

[Howler]

52. Really because the other poster .....

was clearly referring to my posted thread and the punctuation as has grave dancing/injury dancing.

you then posted this



" see it more as gloating.
Something I was raised always to avoid if I can help it. I guess parents also viewed that as "bad karma." My dad once quoted someone who said "All your gloating ignites is an insatiable desire for a fall to be wrought upon you, coming quietly and without warning." Can't remember the rest. But shush, that was enough for me!"

Who were you referencing? The article?.me?What?

[Kind of Blue]

56. I definitely felt the exclamation points

as grave/injury dancing because the article did not have them. The article related two things - Vick and Karma - and basically left it at that. The added punctuation in the OP was just a little too gleeful to me and left me unsettled - saw the thread yesterday but couldn't put my finger on exactly why and left it alone. Until I saw the poster's reference to grave/injury dancing, I didn't understand what specifically brought me down about the OP.

But I'm glad I responded because there are 2 things I've learned. First, I think my definition of karma may be off and I need to investigate. Second, I've been selfish in warding off bad karma by avoiding gloating. But the simple fact is, IMO, grave/injury dancing/gloating is dehumanizing, bad karma or no karma. So I do thank you for this thread! :hug: :hug: :hug:

But I won't participate any further. I just wanted to make sure that there was no misunderstanding between me and the poster in my agreement with her response. And with that I'm satisfied.

[Howler]

58. Well now I'm glad thats cleared up. LOL!

And Again I say How very patronizing of you.snort!
Whew! At least now we both know we own it.

There is another word for attempting to correct with same action. It is called hypocrisy.

[Matariki]

50. No, not at all. I thought you were agreeing.

[Kind of Blue]

51. Thank you.

I'd forgotten to ask you if you could explain what you understand when you said, while referring to karma, "I don't think the word is really understood much outside of Hindu philosophy," if you feel inclined to answer. Thanks :)

on edit: forgot to include that I'm sure my understanding of the word may be way off.

[I Have A Dream]

42. I just want to say...

I truly love you both. You are both such special, beautiful people who would never deliberately hurt anyone or anything.

:loveya:

[OneGrassRoot]

43. I second that, and also want to point out....

that this thread is really a good mirror of the intensity and miscommunication and sensitivity and every other human experience going on "out there" that we're all experiencing to varying degrees.

I realize this seems VERY off topic, but in my attempt over the last few years to find common ground with people with such varying opinions, viewpoints, perspectives, personality types, etc., today I came to one profound conclusion.

WE ARE ALL HUMAN.

That may seem like a "duh" moment, but that is the only thing ALL of us around the world truly have in common.

WE ARE HUMAN.

So, that finally gives me the laser focus I've been seeking: Highlight humane actions and events, inject humanity into systems that are currently inhumane, and counteract dehumanization of others at every turn.

I'm on that last one like a dog with a bone.

;)

:grouphug:

[Kind of Blue]

45. That gave me the chills, Girl!!!

"So, that finally gives me the laser focus I've been seeking: Highlight humane actions and events, inject humanity into systems that are currently inhumane, and counteract dehumanization of others at every turn."

:loveya: :hug: :loveya:

[Howler]

47. LOL!

I said I was being human in comment 26.
But your post is well taken and appreciated OGR.

[Howler]

53. Wait a minute.....

Sorry OGR As far as I'm concerned Vick dehumanized himself by his own heinous actions.
I give No quarter to him.

But I still can appreciate what you have said.

[OneGrassRoot]

54. This thread is so interesting...

;)

First, let me give you a :hug:, Howler.

Initially, my comment about "being human" really had nothing to do with your initial post about Michael Vick. My "we are human" comment was in response to my observation of how intense things are in the world right now -- and within our own little worlds as well. And within this thread.

It definitely was NOT a comment about Vick and his humanity or inhumanity.

HOWEVER....

I thought about it after I posted, and realized that that will be one of the core differences we will always encounter, even given the basic element of acknowledging we're all human: What types of actions will make us feel someone is inhumane, not just their actions, but THEM?

Honestly, that is probably going to differ from person to person. So there truly isn't one thing every single person on this planet will agree upon, including the "we are all human." I think the gist of what I was expressing is essentially the same, but I absolutely acknowledge that there are some actions and behaviors that, to me, are inexcusable.

We're each going to have our own boundaries about that -- and I see nothing wrong with that. It is what it is.

One thing I REALLY struggle with is when young adults harm animals -- intentionally harm them. My knee-jerk reaction and, quite frankly, my second and third and probably fourth reaction, is that there is no rehabilitation of such people who can commit such acts of cruelty. Animal abuse is a sign of a sociopath -- we know that. Sociopaths feel no guilt, no remorse...maybe they're not in touch with their basic humanity. I don't know.

I'm sharing this simply to share that this is a struggle we all have, I would imagine. I certainly do. And we're not going to agree about it.

Issues of judgment, discernment, forgiveness, "being human"...all of these issues come into play when faced with another human being who has done something we feel is inexcusable, unforgivable and inhumane.

My only thought in this regard is that, perhaps, whatever our boundary is (and we're all old enough that we have probably had that boundary for a while and know what it is), we can consider shifting the boundary back a bit, to try to find humanity where we previously couldn't.

No, I'm not suggesting anything with regard to Michael Vick or others who abuse innocents. That is your boundary. Like I said, I have a HUGE problem finding any compassion, empathy, or any humane or loving feelings towards others who have committed such acts. (Sure, on a "soul" level I can appreciate there are lessons involved and roles played, but on a human level, I can't find that unconditional love space.)

To me, Michael Vick is still a human being, but he committed inhumane acts, the type of actions that I, personally, can't forgive. I don't wish him harm or ill, just as I didn't Bin Laden, but I certainly don't grieve over any misfortune they encounter.

I don't have an opinion about what you posted in the OP, to be honest. You're entitled to your opinion and your views.

I jumped in when I saw (or, more correctly, "felt") the discordant energies within this thread, and how it mirrors what I'm observing elsewhere, especially amongst people who usually have no discord when interacting.

For the record, I do believe in karma as you and IHAD have expressed...not the "white bearded man in the sky" kind of karma.
;)

:grouphug:

[Howler]

55. Hugs right back attcha OGR!!!!

"discordant" HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Yeah Man! Thats one apt description of it.

Whenever the subject of M.Vick comes up its bound to get visceral.

To me its in being human where the real healing lays.Not in trying to be above it all.
You have to be a vital part of it all before transcendence can happen. Otherwise there would be no understanding. Without understanding there can be no transcendence.I am a very human person.LOL!

But I do aspire to what you write OGR.

[OneGrassRoot]

57. Oh, no, Howler....I most definitely have no aspirations to "transcend" anything!

In fact, that's something I've written about here quite often; that too often, in my truly humble opinion, spiritual types use the "transcending" thing to avoid BEING HUMAN.

(See, there it is again. It's my mantra right now evidently. :rofl:)

I completely agree that it's in the being human where healing lies. And, to me, I didn't write anything to "aspire to." It was just an observation of how we are, and that perhaps finding humanity where we previously couldn't is something we may -- or not -- consider in our quest for wholeness, as we acknowledge the differences and individuality.

Trust me, while I may not celebrate another's death or demise or misfortune -- even if they've committed what are, to me, unforgivable acts -- I have very specific boundaries. And, if after trying to work with another who crosses that boundary, I have ZERO problem removing them from my life.

I wish them well, and move on. I don't see them as wrong and me "right," I just know who I am, and I'm setting my boundaries with regard to what I will and won't tolerate in this life. If they ever need my help, I'm there, but to have "community" in the sense of trying to join together with every single human and ignore differences and all live happily ever after...nah, that ain't me.

;)

[Howler]

59. Hmmmmmmm.

I prefer the scorched earth policy myself. LOL! Nothing personal.:nuke: :hug:

Just kidding>

[Kind of Blue]

44. Now that I wholeheartedly agree is so true

:loveya: :hug: :loveya: :grouphug:

[BlueIris]

60. Wouldn't call it 'bad karma,' but I have no sympathy for him.

Or anyone who has committed the crimes he has.

[Howler]

61. I hear ya Blue Iris.

As far as I can tell, this man actions showed absolutely no empathy or regard for any living thing or even for life itself.
He didn't need to kill those dogs for food and he didn't even need the money. He was already rich. He tortured, maimed, and killed those animals for entertainment. Anyone who finds that entertaining or acceptable has lost any claim on humanity. That is not even counting the local pets that were stolen to be used as "pit bull bait".