The Wounded President, at Starlight News

[Nancy Waterman]

http://starlightnews.com

The second passage of Saturn across US Mercury will be from December 28, 2004, through January 11, 2005. This is again likely to cause a significant contracting pressure on US currency, and it may be more severe than the first crossing due to the simultaneous action of some other aspects. The progressed US Moon will be square to natal US Saturn from mid-December through mid-January, suggesting that events may be in some way restrictive or upsetting for the American people. In addition, transiting Chiron will be crossing the Inaugural Midheaven from December 29 through January 14, suggesting some kind of crisis for the administration.

What is particularly interesting about this latter aspect, Chiron conjunct Inaugural Midheaven, is that it will be present for the 2005 Inauguration and thus will imprint itself on the entire second term of George Bush. In addition, Chiron will be three and a half degrees from the Sun in the 2005 Inaugural chart and exactly square to the Moon’s Nodes. Thus, the Chiron/Midheaven/Sun conjunction square the Nodes in the coming Inaugural chart will describe one of the dominating themes of Bush’s second term.

[autorank]

1. Excellent work Nancy!!!

[NMDemDist2]

2. Nancy, as I read the whole article what struck me was another

terrorist attack brought by Chiron with the admin using "bravado" to try and push thru....

while you mention economic struggles, could there also be an attack in the US of a less theoretical nature than currency?

lord I hope not, but it came thru loud and clear :(

[Nancy Waterman]

3. AZDem - I don't think so, but who knows

It is important to remember that Chiron is hitting the Bush administration chart not the US chart. Saturn is hitting US Mercury - but that has more to do with trade and currency and other people's money in the 8th.

Uranus is squaring US Uranus in March, but that would tend to wake up our independent instincts and move us forward in consciousness a notch. I am hoping it doesn't push us back a notch with a more conservative Supreme Court and the end of Roe v Wade. It does tend to change the status quo. I don't think it signifies terrorism. I am hoping it will wake up the press somewhat. The Jupiter station square Uranus was when the carried the Abu Ghraib story, and they didn't stint on that for several days.

[NMDemDist2]

4. thanks for the expanded explaination, I know so little about astrology

and just had a strong "flash" reading the info

[Nancy Waterman]

5. It also occurs to me that Mercury has to do with elections

Perhaps the next crossing of Saturn to US Mercury will highlight on election fraud? That would sure be an ongoing, unhealable wound for Dubya.

[Nancy Waterman]

6. Must read and spread article!!

If this gets around, the wounding will be severe indeed!!

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120604Madsen/120604madsen.html

Read it before Bushco gets it and the author expunged.

[JPace]

7. Wow! what a damning article...

If this gets legs it will be the mother of all scandals.
I have been wondering about the wisdom of the bush regime
bullying and humiliating the C.I.A. Looks like the C.I.A.
has retribution and justice in mind. Since truth is the only
thing that can save this nation...I keep praying for enlightenment
and truth to grace us, truth always comes but not always in the
time of our choosing.
"The Rulership Book" lists Uranus as the ruler of elections, but
I think I've heard that Uranus is the higher vibration of Mercury
and that would make Mercury also connected to elections. Transiting
Uranus will soon strongly square the U.S.A.'s natal Uranus, could
this be our truth and enlightenment?

[Nancy Waterman]

8. JP - I hope something gets revealed by that transit.

Uranus rules the 3rd house in the US chart so I am hoping the press will get the itch and act like a free press for a change. I am hoping there will be a big story that they will run with, and it could be the fraudulent elections or some other Bush scandal. There is a whole smorgasbord to choose from.

This voting fraud story is just incredible. I am posting it everywhere I can find. I really do fear the Bush Mafia hacking the site and offing the whistleblower. They have a lot to loose if this goes mainstream. I think the story is legit.

I wish Oberman would interview this Clint Curtis. No doubt Homeland Security will call it national security and make him be quiet, but the press needs to rebel like it did during the Pentagon Papers.

[Me.]

13. Great Read

No surprise there! Here's what's been worrying me. Do you think they (the you know whos) would try to control, restrain, or "shut down" the INTERNET. They have got to hate it for there are no secrets here. What do you think? On one hand I say no because their puggy friends are making too much money off it. On the other, they're not sane and as they go after every other enemy, will they try shutting us down?

[Nancy Waterman]

14. I would like to think they can't shut down the interent

without revealing themselves as the fascists they are. Now they can pretend to be part of a democracy, and for those who don't pay attention, it holds. The right also uses the internet a lot and would be very unhappy.

[Matariki]

9. would it be valid to read the nodes as public opinion?

especially the north node? and the square to chiron/mh/sun mean public opinion turning against Bush's presidency (10th house)?

Is the north node near the ascendant or descendant?

[Nancy Waterman]

11. Interesting theory, kineta

The North Node is in the 12th at 27 Aries. The Asc is 14 Taurus. So the administration should be compassionate and self sacrificing and not nitpicking and critical. It should focus on charitable giving, curing AIDS and catching criminals. Normally, the Node is contact with people, so I have been thinking of it as contact with other countries, but it could also be contact with the public, or interaction with the public in terms of its impact in the world. And it squares Saturn and Chiron and the MC. So there may be some difficulty catching terrorists (hidden enemies) and the lack of money and general level of problems may not move it toward generous giving. I am sure there is more to it, but it escapes me now. Chiron square the Node: Bush will be blocked by his wounds and limitations from moving into the healthy, but uncharted territory of the 12th house: compassion and empathy. Now there is a surprise!

[linazelle]

10. Sometimes I wonder...

if your predictions aren't being used by people a lot more influential than us minions at DU. The prediction that there would be lots of rancor about the election jumped out at me. I know that you posted that some time ago and I think it is not coincidental that there was a press lockdown immediately following the Selection II. I believe the prediction was accurate--but thwarted.

[Nancy Waterman]

12. I think there has been a lot of tension post election

There has been an ongoing battle to get to the bottom of the voter fraud and a lot of anger toward the cheaters. There has also been a lot of red state/ blue state rancor. But you may be right, they have been trying to suppress it all and pretending we are making nice. But Pluto Mars is rage but also repressed rage, tightly controlled and potentially expolosive. Well, it is passing now so things are somewhat less intense. But for weeks after the election, people were talking about seceeding from the Union or moving to Canada, even with the attempt to shut the press up..

I don't think they can thwart Pluto despite their megalomania. :)

[cliss]

15. Some comments:

a) This doesn't have so much to do with your article, as it does with me. I've noticed lately that I have a real thirst for revenge against Bush. As I was reading your article, it suddenly occurred to me that I was really hoping to hear some bad news about him. The worse the better.

This is the driving force behind my search in mundane predictions for the past 4 years, in particular Vedic web sites. I feel that a terrible wrong has been committed against the American people, perpetrated by the "leaders". Let alone the rest of the world. We are now a country that tortures and kills people by the thousands in the name of "freedom".

As we stand up and recite the Pledge of Allegiance at a baseball game, we come to the words, "with liberty and justice for all". The words choke in our throats. How can we continue with this charade when we know what happened?

This is not emotionally healthy for me: to feel so short-changed and ripped-off that I live for revenge.

b) It's important to realize that we (the US) have probably already paid massive debts in terms of bad karma. I've been reading articles by Stan Goff where he explains how the US got into currency manipulation which really damaged the British pound, but which ricocheted back as the Great Depression in 1929. Same thing with Reagan and his antics in South America. We had Black Monday in the 80's where the stock market crashed albeit temporarily. So in terms of karma, we seem to be on the "Pay as you Go" plan. In other words, it might not be building up to one horrendous backlash, but it's probably being paid right now with the currency tanking, and up to 1.3 million jobs lost to outsourcing.

And how about the hurricanes in Florida this year, which caused $4 billion dollars worth of damage. And before that, the forest fires in Oregon and California which caused billions of dollars worth of damage. So it's not unaddressed; we are currently paying the steep bill for our folly.

On edit: I hope the reader understands that I'm not looking for the US to have to "pay" for its transgressions. I'm focused on Bush and his minions. I live here too. I certainly don't want to see these calamities happen. But there has to be some type of fairness in this whole equation.

[Digit]

16. I felt that way, too

I have been almost eaten up alive with intense hate for * and this administration. I cannot emphasize how deep this feeling went. Luckily, someone on here reminded me of what these emotions can do to me personally. Although I realized this, I had forgotten, due to my intense emotion.
Now, I focus on sending the white light to our country, the planet, and all the inhabitants. I even send it to our leaders.
One thing I do in addition is to let those know who are feeling guilty for unjustly influencing this election, that they can decide to do the right thing and come forward. I don't see it as manipulation, but just showing a path.

[Nancy Waterman]

17. The more you resist something , the more you empower it

The more you focus on what you don't want, the more you get it. This is why we need a charismatic candidate. People have to really want him, imagine him, long for him, more than they just want the end of the other. Perhaps we were so full of hate for Bush and his many horrible actions that we managed to create more of him. Kerry wasn't a strong enough pull for most people. Except for odd moments, he wasn't really inspiring. He didn't paint a picture of the world we want to have, the world he would create, a world we could put our energy into and create with our thoughts. The country really has no vision of a future other than fighting terrorism and insurgency, a kind of negative vision. And, of course, the more we focus on what we don't want (terrorism and insurgency) the more we get of them. We are really stuck in a negative loop. We have forgotten what the future felt like at the end of Clinton, when we felt we were walking into the 21st Century with all kinds of possiblities ahead of us. Whatever candidate we get, needs to paint that picture for us, not just appeal to greed (low taxes, ownership) and fear. There is a progressive vision waiting to be claimed.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/12/05/MNGDIA6N3I1.DTL

This article is super important. I have been saying this for a while. We lost not because of moral values or policies or even national security, but because they were in control of the conversation and framed things exactly how they wanted. I am hoping this guy will become our Rove.

[NEOBuckeye]

19. I like this guy already.

(From Nancy's link above)...The scholar, UC Berkeley professor of linguistics and cognitive sciences George Lakoff, is a hot item in liberal circles these days as he argues Democrats must develop a message that resonates more deeply with voters. His latest book, "Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate,'' is on best-seller lists in Washington and the Bay Area. Before the Nov. 2 election, then-Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota and Rep. George Miller, D-Martinez, who heads the House Democratic Policy Committee, distributed hundreds of copies of Lakoff's book to their colleagues and staffs.

"It's all about words and craftsmanship,'' said Rep. Sam Farr, D-Carmel, of Lakoff's advice. "He shows us that we ought to take the Republicans' words and show why they don't work, why they just aren't so.''

---snip---

"The Democrats need to be clear about their messages and to find a common vision, express it well and stick to it,'' said the professor. Lakoff helped create the Rockridge Institute, a Berkeley-based think tank that in its own words seeks to "reframe the terms of political debate to make a progressive moral vision more persuasive and influential.''

During the 2004 campaign, Lakoff suggested that instead of talking about how Bush had run up the national debt, Democrats should label it a "baby tax'' the Republican president had imposed on future generations. He has suggested that same-sex marriage should be referred to as "the right to marry.'' Trial lawyers like vice presidential nominee John Edwards should instead be called "public protection attorneys,'' and the term environmental protection, which brings to mind big government and reams of regulations, should instead be termed "poison-free communities.''

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Hope we'll be seeing and hearing a lot more of him. We need all of the help that we can get.

[JPace]

20. "baby tax'' ......."public protection attorneys".... I love it

and think they should rename prolife with "forced birth".
Let us hope that our party can learn how to reframe issues with clever and succinct language so that the public is persuaded. Our party can learn new ways, we already have the people's best interests in our vision, but we have lacked the skills of educating and persuading the people. We are also going to need more media outlets, I hear MoveOn.org is going to explore how we can get a cable news network to counter Fox.

[NEOBuckeye]

21. A Cable News Network? That would be BIG news (in more ways than one)!

Maybe they can get George Soros involved? He's already a contributor. Whether they buy an existing network, or build one from scratch, they'll need huge financial backing and support.

Maybe if they could buy CNN from Time Warner...? Wonder if Ted Turner would be willing to help? He's no friend of Bush.

[saracat]

25. Lakoff doesn't appeal to "liberals". He appeals to moderates who want to

re frame the same old tired arguments of centrism. Truman said it best, "when the choice is voting for a Republican and a Republican, they'll vote Republican every time! " Reaching out to the other side and finding "common ground" has cost us the last three elections! If centrism worked so well, why did the Republicans move to the right? And the effectiveness of Lakoff's theory can be seen in Daschle. You will notice he didn't win.

[NEOBuckeye]

27. Maybe. But combined with Populism, Lakoff's philosophy will work wonders.

Check out the thread and article about http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x91026">The Democrats' DaVinci Code, and read about how Populist Democrats were able to win big in even the Reddest of Red States.

Make no mistake, THIS is Karl Rove's worst nightmare in the making. If we can rally to reclaim Populism and re-frame the language of politics in our favor, we will reclaim whole states and re-establish Democratic majorities in both Congressional houses. If we can truly get back to the issues of the people and explain it to them in Lakoff's terms, there's not one damn thing that Rove, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz or Rupert Murdoch will ever be able to do to stop us, and they will watch in frustration and despair as their beloved empires built of power and money crumble as weathered rock before a newly re-empowered, re-invigorated public.

We're much closer to fighting back and beating these bastards than we think, if we pull all of this together, and use it NOW.

[virgdem]

22. This is an important development...

I was given a book by Lakoff at a Democratic House party for Kerry in June, Moral Politics, which was written in 1996. The book details how liberals and conservatives think about all aspects of life and politics. He gives much importance to language and how Republicans are far better at crafting and framing a position. Democrats will continue to lose elections unless we take back the language and learn how to define just exactly what we stand for and who we are as a party. I believe we have much work to do before we can become the dominant party again. And the hell of it is that we may just have run out of time, what with the voting fraud and the obvious take over of the government by the Fascist wing of the Republican party. Oh well, it was a nice experiment while it lasted.

[Nancy Waterman]

18. Claudia Dikinis pointed out that Gray Davis

was recalled when Chiron was on his Inaugural MC!!! Bush will have Chiron on his Inaugural MC in early January and on his Inaugural chart MC for 4 years!! Dare we hope?

http://starcats.com/gray_davis_recall.html

[Nancy Waterman]

23. A bit of good news for the DC metro area

Air America is coming to town as of January 20. I am so psyched!!! I am in either the car or the kitchen a lot and that is where I do my radio listening. I have been waiting for this day to arrive!

[NMDemDist2]

24. congrats Nancy,

you'll love it :)

[loudsue]

26. Nancy....please check your DU mailbox!

:hi: I sent you a note!

:kick:

[Matariki]

28. oh yeah, i'm sure hoping!

Have you worked with Chiron much in predictions, Nancy?

A couple years ago I was going through a painful breakup of an 8 year relationship. I looked at my transits and progressed chart and there wasn't anything that pointed to what I was going through. Then I noticed chiron was making hard aspects to a lot of planets in my chart. That got my attention, and interested me in studying chiron. Not much info out there yet. I've read Barbara Clow's book. Do you recommend any others?

It will be interesting to see how it plays out in Bush's chart.

One thing I wanted to point out. If he isn't inaugurated, doesn't it make predictions using that chart kind of moot? (One can hope)

[Nancy Waterman]

29. kineta - no, I haven't worked much with Chiron

I even tried to look at the next term and ignore Chiron (see my article before the last one). But Chiron is so incredibly strong in this Inaugural chart, I just couldn't avoid it. And recently, my husband had Chiron cross opposite his Ascendant. Saturn is coming back to his Ascendant so it is hard to read it clearly, but Chiron seems to add to it substantially. It isn't just that there is extra work and extra burden (Saturn) but there is a wound. He used to love the place he works, feel it was a real haven from the world and a place of great integrity and quality. I think his heart is broken from watching it deteriorate under these new privatization rules (thank you Bush).

My only other real clear experience with Chiron was the 2000 Coup, which was my Chiron return.

I did make one prediction with Chiron that seemed to work. When Chiron crossed opposite US Jupiter, I predicted some kind of wound on established religion and on corporate power in this country. It turned out to be when Enron and World Com fell and when the Church pedophile scandal happened.

[JPace]

30. I have Chiron conjunct my Venus, I am not sure of what that

means. There has been a lot of pain in relationships (or lack of) so could be that Chiron is a place of pain or old wounds. However there is a group called the Magi Society that has a very different take on Chiron. They see it more as having positive energy. I've studied it both ways and am conflicted in what I believe. Still its an interesting read if you like considering opposing views.
http://www.magisociety.com/