prenatal eclipses

[sofedup]

There has been some discussion of prenatal eclipses in the March 14 Eclipse thread. If you don't have a book with eclipse information but would like to know a bit about your prenatal Solar/Lunar eclipses, post your birth day. I will tell you which Saros Series the eclipses were and quote a brief description from Bernadette Brady's "Predictive Astrology, the Eagle and the Lark".

I will start with my own prenatal eclipses, 8 South. "Separation and loss. To be parted...Physical injury is possible through overstraining". (I have not quoted Brady's entire description because, depending on response to this thread, I'm concerned about quoting too much. If anyone who does have the book thinks I've omitted important info, please jump in to rectify that!). I've experienced both separation and ongoing loss. I've come to realize that my life is about "handling" these losses and, because I now expect them, I've started appreciating life's smaller things because they are all I have for sure. I had one serious bike accident as a child and accidents are something I fear- I'm constantly hurting myself in small, clumsy ways and hope "the big one" never comes again.

Please let us know if your prenatal eclipse description resonates (or not) with your life!

Edited to fix one little mistake- Mercury in Virgo- I can't help myself:)

[BlueIris]

1. My birthday is...

5/14/79. Is that enough? Eclipses do have a tendency to really impact me, I've noticed, so I'm curious about my prenatal eclipse(s). Could be interesting.

[sofedup]

4. Hi BlueIris

Your prenatal eclipse series is 17 South. Quoting Bernadette Brady, "Predictive Astrology": "The issues, with this family of eclipses, are of sudden success in group projects or personal relationship matters. Happiness in love, thinking of love matters, good news concerning relationships or creative expression with a group."

These eclipses happened February 26 at 7 Pisces, 1979 (solar) and March 13 at 23 Virgo (lunar).

Wow, what a nice series, BlueIris! (Please read the note I added to the original post)

[BlueIris]

20. Thanks for posting, but...

since you asked contributors here to give feedback about how relevant their prenatal eclipses are to their lives: that has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've experienced in my life. Ever. Well, nothing positive anyway. Groups have never been very good to me. Never found normal "happiness in love." Those issues are sort of the bane of my existence, as I am a singular achiever who has found she is most content and prosperous as a loner, and no longer finds any value in seeking or developing "love." Mainly because I've had to deal with many disgusting, unhealthy, broken and evil folks in my attempts to be in relationships and in groups, some of which were encounters that wound up seriously screwing up my progress and security. Also, as is reflected in my natal Sun opposition Uranus personality, I value my individuality. I have a great deal of hostility toward the modern emphasis on group and communal living and working as superior because to a unique woman like myself, they undermine identity (as well as freedom and idependence).

The major themes in my life seem to relate to sudden lack of "success in group projects or personal relationship matters," actually. And being subject to abuse and cruelty by dysfunctional packs, as well as individual people born under the Sun sign of Pisces and Virgo, as have many women in my family before me. I like to think the therapy I've had to deal with that abuse will help me make better choices than my unfortunate female relatives and descendants, and that this same therapy will help me spot dysfunctionality-ridden monsters masquerading as those all-important twenty-first century "teams," but--no offense, sofedup, my dislike of this information isn't your fault--jeez, it's really disturbing to read that.

[BlueIris]

21. Okay, to battle back from a pessimistic last post...

perhaps there is something beautiful that can happen with my life in the future regarding group work, teamwork, love and relationships. I think that for the most part, I just haven't found it yet (though it wasn't for lack of trying, fellow DUers!). Even a bitter person like me knows that positive change is always possible, and for the better, under the right conditions with the right amount of effort put in by individuals. I'm just having a hard time right now, and that makes it very difficult for me to believe that anything sustainably good has been (or can be) planned for my life. This is not to post that I believe everything will be a struggle for me forever, but it's looking a little bleak some days. I'm feeling better than I did three weeks ago (and how, let me tell you) but for me, getting from my present circumstances to a more secure place is going to be very difficult.

Sorry if I brought anyone down. I'm feeling slightly better.

[sofedup]

23. So sorry to hit such a painful nerve, BlueIris

One thing I thought about when posting the Saros description is that you have not yet had your first Saturn return- you are young compared to many of us. As you stated in your second reply, maybe the future will bring something different.

Have you seen cassiepriam's reply to my post script? She is making an important point- one I should have made originally. These eclipses will affect people differently depending on how closely they are tied into the natal chart. In cassiepriam's case she was born on the eclipse and its energy is very much felt. But for others, if the eclipses predate birth significantly, and if the eclipse points are not tenanted, it would be far less likely that the energy of the cycle will be obvious.

Your prenatal eclipse cycle was one of the gentler ones- I hope that it eventually manifests in your life.

Edited to add: I wanted to add one hug but the emoticon didn't show (still doesn't)- so you're getting lots of hugs!




:hug: :hug: :hug:

[BlueIris]

24. Oh, no, it wasn't your fault. And I think about the Saturn factor a lot.

I know it sounds ridiculous considering that it hasn't happened yet, (and considering some of the things I've posted here) but I went through a period of abrupt and deep emotional maturation between mid 2003 and late 2005. It changed a lot of things about me and I was shocked to find out yesterday is strongly reflected in the transits of that time, (...I know, amazing!) especially those having to do with, yep, eclipses. It's frightening for me to think that with a Saturn return could come even more stress than what I endured during this climactic era. I'm trying to prepare for what the Saturn return could bring, as much as that is possible, because it's seriously freaking me out. But I've also considered that it could be a largely positive influence on me, in the end.

[sofedup]

2. OP post script

Upon rereading my original post I realized I left out something important. I feel strongly that the prenatal eclipse underscores other natal placements, etc. Everything mentioned in the first post appears in many other ways in my natal chart. This series is one piece of the astrological puzzle (and it is not unrelievedly harsh- just extreme).

[cassiepriam]

9. Yes, important point. It is only a part of the puzzle

And like any other piece depends on the placement, aspects etc.

For example my total PN solar eclipse was placed right in the middle of my Pisces stellium, conjunct my Sun, opp my asc, part of a triple Grand water trine etc etc. And occurred hours before my birth. This means something very different than if it had been placed off by itself. I will say I had chills running up and down my spine as I read Brady's description of my eclipse. It was uncanny, and totally accurate.

[I Have A Dream]

3. May I PM you with my information? I totally trust everyone here...

to have my birth information, but I'm concerned about others.

Either way, this is a very generous offer, sofedup. Thanks for making this available to everyone.

[sofedup]

5. Email me

I don't post my birthdata on the web, either. I have a web account: purplecrayon at myway dot com (I hope writing it that way prevents spam- I guess I'll find out)

If anyone else is squeamish about posting their data, email me.

You're welcome, Dream! :)

[I Have A Dream]

6. We could PM you instead of sending E-mail. If you get this...

quickly enough, you could edit this message to not have your information on it.

Do you want us to PM you instead? I know that you're relatively new, so maybe you're not aware of the PM option here at DU. (If you are, please forgive me.) It's the Inbox icon at the top in the same row as the 'DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.COM' image.

[sofedup]

7. I have no clue how to PM

I'll look some more at the of the page. Thanks for telling me about that option.

Edited to add: It doesn't bother me to have the email addy posted- that's why I have that one. It's dispensable.

[I Have A Dream]

8. If someone sends you a PM (I think that it stands for private message)...

you'll see a flashing 'NEW MAIL' image in the top left corner when you enter DU. Note, however, that you don't see it everywhere, so, if you're in DU for a long time, you may want to periodically check whether you've gotten new private messages by clicking on the Inbox icon. I'll send you one now so that you know what I mean. It will have my birth information in it as we discussed.

Thanks!

[sofedup]

12. thanks for talking me through this, dream...

...I've replied to your message.

[I Have A Dream]

13. Thanks for the information, sofedup! n/t

[u4ic]

10. Could someone please tell me

what it says for Saros 111 (my Lunar) and Saros 137?

I have Rose Lineman's book on request at my library, but there's a few people ahead of me. Thanks! :hi:

[sofedup]

15. hi u4ic

I have only Brady's "Predictive Astrology". I've looked for numbers of eclipse cycles but have found only names in her book. If you don't want to wait for the book from the library I will be happy to give you Brady's description but I will need a birthday. Thanks to I Have a Dream I now know how to use my DU mailbox if you don't want to post your data publicly. Or perhaps cassiepriam will comment- I think she has Lineman's book.

[u4ic]

16. Hi sofedup!

I'll PM you with the info. Thanks :)

[cassiepriam]

22. PNSE

I have both Brady and Lineman. And yes the designations are confusing, that is because one system is astrological the other from astronomy. And I am going back and forth between the two systems, which is confusing you even more I am sorry. But this is how my head works. The astrological designation of the eclipses does not feel quite right to me, that is why I am going to traditional astronomy for help. A friend of mine is an astronomer in a local science museum and I think she is going to be able to shed some light on this issue for me. When I get confused the best thing is to go back to basics, start at the beginning and re think it all.

And yes no one has put all the info in one neat place, it is a bit of a pain to sort it out. Lineman talks about the astrological sign and house of the SE placement, but makes only a brief reference to the saros cycle, does not elaborate at all.

Brady is the only one who talks about the meaning of the specific saros cycle, but unfortunately her descriptions are very brief and treated as transits. She doesn't address what the specific eclipse cycle means in a natal chart. So Brady's work isn't quite right either.

And Brady and Lineman do not really address the significance of the lunar eclipses, thinking they are less important than the PNSE. Spiller and McCoy on the other hand think that they are equally important, but they do not even mention the saros cycles at all. I am still trying to figure it all out and the truth is going to be in the middle I think.

IT is all so frustrating. With my Saturn and Neptune conjunct in my natal chart I have to have things crystal clear or I get very frustrated. AGH....But I must be thankful, if my saturn weren't right next to Neptune whacking him upside the head all the time, I would for sure be sitting in an opium den somewhere :)

Any way U4ic, according to Brady and Lineman you are a you are a 4N? I can PM you the meaning of that cycle, it is a bit personal. Or has someone already done it?

[u4ic]

11. Here's how I found my information

About 3/4 of the way down the page for both:
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/solar.html
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/lunar.html

[rumpel]

14. thanks for the offer I'll pm

[sofedup]

17. I've sent your info, rumpel n/t

[rumpel]

19. Wow. This is so incredibly accurate.

thanks again.

:hi:

[Angel Wings]

18. Thanks a lot! I sent you a pm also

:)

[cassiepriam]

25. Pre Natal Solar Eclipse

(This is a repost, I had posted it in the wrong place and I don't
think U4ic saw it. Sorry for this, I hope it is not against the rules to double post )

PNSE
I have both Brady and Lineman. And yes the designations are confusing, that is because one system is astrological the other from astronomy. And I am going back and forth between the two systems, which is confusing you even more I am sorry. But this is how my head works. The astrological designation of the eclipses does not feel quite right to me, that is why I am going to traditional astronomy for help. A friend of mine is an astronomer in a local science museum and I think she is going to be able to shed some light on this issue for me. When I get confused the best thing is to go back to basics, start at the beginning and re think it all.

And yes no one has put all the info in one neat place, it is a bit of a pain to sort it out. Lineman talks about the astrological sign and house of the SE placement, but makes only a brief reference to the saros cycle, does not elaborate at all.

Brady is the only one who talks about the meaning of the specific saros cycle, but unfortunately her descriptions are very brief and treated as transits. She doesn't address what the specific eclipse cycle means in a natal chart. So Brady's work isn't quite right either.

And Brady and Lineman do not really address the significance of the lunar eclipses, thinking they are less important than the PNSE. Spiller and McCoy on the other hand think that they are equally important, but they do not even mention the saros cycles at all. I am still trying to figure it all out and the truth is going to be in the middle I think.

IT is all so frustrating. With my Saturn and Neptune conjunct in my natal chart I have to have things crystal clear or I get very frustrated. AGH....But I must be thankful, if my saturn weren't right next to Neptune whacking him upside the head all the time, I would for sure be sitting in an opium den somewhere

Any way U4ic, according to Brady and Lineman you are a you are a 4N? I can PM you the meaning of that cycle, it is a bit personal. Or has someone already done it?

[u4ic]

26. Hi cassie,

yes, sofedup sent me the info from the Brady book, for which I am very grateful.

That is actually the book I have on hold at the library; they don't have the Lineman one (mixed up again :silly: )

What does the Lineman book say, if anything at all, about 4N or Saros 111 or 137? Thanks. :-)

[cassiepriam]

27. Lineman is out of print, I had to really hunt for it

I wish someone would update it and re-print it.
But Lineman is deceased and maybe the heirs can't get their act together. Maybe the publishers don't realize what a little gold mine they have here, if only they would re print it and make it more readable.

Oh well, Lineman says very little about the Saros series, Brady is the only one who gives some brief narrative about them. The one thing that that Lineman does do is tell you the sign of the very first eclipse which is supposed to have some meaning and gives you further clues as to the meaning of that saros cycle.

4N is Gemini, that means your saros cycle was born in Gemini, that is where it started way back in the beginning. So there will be a gemini flavor to your PNSE. And you can look up on the internet what year that was. Do you know how to do that? Just google your saros cycle and you can see the whole listing of eclipse years for your series...