I have thought long and hard about posting this dream.....

[Ecumenist]

But I've been told that I was shown this and allowed to see for a reason. On Sunday, I slept a bit later than I normally would. I am the rare person who remembers most, if not all, my dreams. Now, the thing that I was shown, I didn't remember until my husband asked me about it later on because I got up, walked into the hallway, told him what I saw and turned around went back to bed. In the dream, My brothers and I were visiting and having a good time. My youngest brother, Jerry,(01.12.77) who lives in Germany was here. Jerry was her and we were talking and teasing one another, with Adam,(the 2nd youngest and my favourite). My father, whom I cannot stand, was also present. The next thing that I remember, I started hearing alarms, like this kind that I've heard marking the noon hour on and round military bases. We stopped the conversation and turned the TV on AND the radio as well. The news broadcasters were very agitated, some of them actually just this side of screaming,saying that all this was the fault of "the idiots who stole the elections". I remember that one in particular was a young woman on, dare I say it, FOX. She was crying and saying that the threats that they were subjected to to report the "Numerous lies" from and a bout the government AND the money they were paid to tell these lies were not worth what was going to happen. There were cries in the background and I actually heard arguing and cursing coming from the background of the newsrooms, (this was present on each and every news broadcast I heard). There was a report of Limbaugh being shot by the someone in the handpicked audience where he was speaking who was reacting to the news of the attacks and the imminent attacks on the country, (the ones that were coming in 30 minutes). I assumed that the attacks that were being described were coming from another country. There was a report that some top government figures were mobbed and killed on the way to shelters set aside for them. There were so many reports, it was mind dizzying. There were people on news broadcasts crying and saying goodbye family members and saying that they would meet them on the other side within the hour. This was interspersed with information about surviving
attacks, prerecorded of course. There were people confessing to all types of secrets and sins.
I looked at my brothers and was panicking because I was the one always protecting them and although they were grown men, I realised that there was really nothing I could do to protect them or myself from what was coming. I then distinctly remember that I looked at the calendar and saw that the date was Friday january 12th, Jerry's birthday. Now here's where my husband comes in. Apparently, I got up and walked into the hallway, looked at him and said, "the next time Jerry's birthday is on a friday, there will be a war." He said that I then wordlessly turned around and went back to bed. asleep before he came into the room, which had be to no more than 5 minutes. I didn't remember the dream until he asked me what I meant a few hours later when I was getting brunch together. I honestly had no earthly idea what he was talking about until he went on for another 10 minutes. I then remembered that I'd had a dream BUT I did not remember getting up to tell him. He then told me that the next time that Jerry's birthday was on a friday was 2007. I asked him how he knew that and he told me that he'd looked it up on the calendar. Now, the thing is this- I tend to dream LITERALLY and this really frightened me because I have always been warned ahead of time.
I have since had dreams of what would happen in different areas of the country, among them being a dream I had last night where I saw chain reaction accidents from an overpass of a freeway, I believe it was in the Southland, (California, I live in the northern California). I saw trucks jackknifing and other trucks and cars crashing into the other vehicles because other cars were trying in vain attempt to get home to get their families. Though they saw the cars and trucks in front of them, they were unable to stop safely. I also knew that there were these kinds of crashes happening all over the country and was actually told about a street offramp here in Sacramento county where there will be the beginning of one of these horrific crashes. I then was placed on a bus where the people where being taken for evacuation. The most maddening thing was that the driver of the bus I wa one was actually preventing people from boarding unless they paid an exorbitant amount of money. Finally, someone, I'm not sure who, pulled a pistol and forced the driver of the bus I was on off and took over driving.
I was also shown people breaking into and emptying banks. There were people who were hugging their children in the streets and crying. It has been one hell of a week of dreaming I've been shown.
Do you any of you think that this has any worth for warning of an actual date? I would really appreciate any input it as I have learned to step back and se what others think.


PS: Any opinions from the astrologers about the date, 01.12.07 @ about 5:00pm might give some interesting insight as well. I would love to see what would be happening astrologically on that day.

[Cleita]

1. Wow. Your dreams have left me speechless, however,

you aren't the only person who has seen some major upheavals by the end of this year and that there will be a new President in January. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.

[Ecumenist]

6. I didn't dream of him as president at all..

The only thing that would have even a remote connection to the grand idiot is the fact that the news anchors were screaming and crying while demonstrating the fact that the rubbish that they were coerced to report and the information that they distorted, not to mention the lies they promulgated were due to pressure from high in the government. If this series of dreams ring true, I'm not sure that we'll even being existence, let alone have a new president.

[NJCher]

10. journalists hate being used and will be glad when bush is gone

I think that there are many broadcast journalists who resent—deeply—having to play the propaganda role they’ve been playing over the past five years.

I wish I could tell you the name of the broadcast personality who said this, but he said it to a very dear friend and this friend told me the story in confidence.

Anyway, my friend was at a large dinner occasion and she happened to be seated at the same table as this personality. Let’s call him “B,” which is actually an initial in his name. There was heated discussion at the table over U.S. politics.

Later my friend headed for the ladies room and who else should be going to the men’s room but “B.” On the way, “B” remarked to her how much he hated bush and his policies. This came as an incredible shock because on air “B” is one of the biggest bush ho’s out there.

He said some other things to her, too, such as the fact that he didn’t think bush would finish his term.





Cher

[Ecumenist]

11. Interesting and rather enlightening...

One of the personalities that I was made to pay attention to was a female anchor who was furious and frankly, terrified that she was facing what, for all the world appeared to be imminent death and the end of her world. She was telling everything and although I don't remember the names she gave and what who had forced them to tell what lie to which group of people, EVERYTHING was tumbling out. In this dream, (nightmare, actually), many of the perpetrators of the lies were dealt their share of justice before they were able to get to whatever shlter they were seeking to escape the cataclysm they'd called down on this country through they idiotic and ridiculous actions or lack thereof. I have to wonder if your friend is the person I saw on the broadcast.

[LaurenG]

2. It sounds like a warning to me

It sounds like if we don't get this administration impeached we will suffer the consequences. The fact that you got a date is SIGNIFICANT. How sad, I hope that it doesn't turn out that way. I really do.

[Ecumenist]

7. Ohio, That's what concerns me....

The fact that I apparently got up, walked into the hallway and told my husband that the next time that Jerry's birthday fell on a friday, there would be a war in this country is enough to worry me. Unfortunately, I have had MANY precognitive dreams. I don't dream contrary....I dream literally. Had it not been for my husband reminding me that I had sleepwalked and told him about this dream, I would have never remembered as much and that is in itself, a little more than disconcerting.

[lavenderdiva]

8. do you normally remember or forget dreams of this sort?

would your forgetting this particular dream be of any significance? or is this normal for you? I'm glad your husband reminded you, and that you were able to remember it, and then share it with us.

[Ecumenist]

9. That's what's weird....

I usually remember most, if not ALL my dreams. I suspect that the someone on the other side wanted me to have a firsthand witness by proxy to the dream. He says that the person that spoke to him about the dream was the person that he calls the "subconcious wife". He loves me but isn't particularly fond of that part of my mind that has psoken to him while "I" was asleep and totally unaware of the conversations. He often tells me that if he weren't so in love with me, he would seriously consider punching the subconcious wife in the stomach... Apparently, that part of me is seriously lacking in personality. From what I'm told, I speak in a monotone, almost robotically, almost like the manner that Cayce was supposed to have demostrated in his consultations.

[MissWaverly]

3. some observations

This dream may be a warning, I had a dream when my nephew was a teenager that death was trying to drag my nephew through this door. Now the door was really weird like a green
vinyl, and I grabbed onto death, and said that you are not going to take my nephew, he is
too young, and I remember that he stared right into my face, and that he had no pupils just
these eyes made of energy, electric blue energy. The very next day, my nephew had an extremely close call in his old car which had green vinyl seats. I am not posting this
because I am Svengali or something but the dream does not always occur as seen. I dreamed
about Bush last March, that he came up to a podium and suddenly a wind began to blow that
only affected him. And all these dollar bill shaped pieces of paper (only they were white)
blew up and stuck to him and suddenly he was completely covered. And then I heard him
say, I, George W. Bush, do renounce my position as president of the United States. It has
not happened, at least not yet.

[Angel Wings]

4. I would like to know if there are any interesting astrological aspects for

1/12/07 @ 5pm also.

[sofedup]

13. There is...

...an almost exact conjunction of Pluto and Mars in Sagittarius trined by Saturn in Leo (using the Sibley chart for the US, the Pluto/Mars conjunction is in the first house and Saturn is transiting the ninth). For those who take into account the Galactic Center- the Pluto/Mars conjunction is one degree from it.

Please note: there is little agreement on which US chart is the official one- I am using Sibley because so many political astrologers seem to use it. Several US charts are available at www.astrodatabank.com.

Again, using Sibley, transiting Uranus is within 1 degree of the 4th house cusp and squaring natal Uranus (this square is happening right now- natal US Uranus is 8 55 Gemini).

The transiting nodes are just past conjunction with the US Neptune.

These are only some of the transits. A political astrologer would use many other measurements. That is a truly creepy dream. As much as I want Bush out, the rest sounds so chaotic.

[Ecumenist]

14. An almost exact conjunction of Pluto & Mars in Sag trined by Saturn in Leo

in relation to the Galactic Centre. Can you explain to best of your ability what that means in relation to the implications of the dream? I don't know much about Astrology and I am interested in finding out what this may mean as it applies to our country and my warning dream..

[undergroundpanther]

20. galacltic center

http://users.gloryroad.net/~bigjim/

[SheilaT]

5. What I'm struck by

in your description of your dream is the detail involved. Not just the date, but the details of what you were seeing on TV.

I would hope that this isn't really a precognitive dream, but one that is simply about the disinformation we've been given by the highly paid drones in the newsrooms of various networks. But I certainly do hope some astrologer takes a look at that date.

[Angel Wings]

12. This post on Starlight News made me think of your dream

excerpt;
(Alexandria, Va.) – Once again, 9-11 truth is making every effort to break through into the mainstream arena.

On the afternoon of Tuesday, March 14, 2006, the Scholars for 9-11 Truth held a press conference outside of the Albert V. Bryan U.S. District Courthouse in Alexandria, Va. where the trial of accused 9-11 terrorist Zacharias Moussaoui is currently underway. Speakers included Professor James Fetzer, retired Air Force Colonel George Nelson, and attorney Phil Berg.

But as their press conference was set to begin before an extensive lineup of mainstream news outlets such as CNN, Fox News, the Associated Press, and local D.C. affiliate stations, attempts were made by law enforcement officials (bearing ID’s that read “POLICE ICE”) to prevent the Scholars from speaking to the press. (ICE = Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Department of Homeland Security)

These agents initially informed the Scholars that they would need to move their conference beyond the law enforcement perimeters of Courthouse Square – away from the press corps. But Professor James Fetzer, organizer of this event, informed the agents that the Scholars had a right to address the press, and also provided them with the credentials of Phil Berg (a former Deputy Attorney General & former candidate for Governor, Lt. Governor, and U.S. Senate); and George Nelson (a retired United States Air Force colonel).

Upon request, the ICE agents were also provided copies of press statements by both Fetzer and Berg. They then met with the presiding judge – Leonie Brinkema – who subsequently granted permission for the press conference to proceed.

snip

After listening to over thirty minutes of hard-hitting information delivered by Fetzer, Nelson, and Berg, the press corps was invited to ask questions. Remarkably, only one reporter made an inquiry: “Why would they do it? What were their motives?” Professor Fetzer answered with a litany of reasons, including the infamous PNAC missive and the need for a “New Pearl Harbor” which would lead us into Afghanistan, Iraq, and beyond. After this explanation, no other questions were posed to the Scholars, despite the substantial amount of information they provided.

We did notice one journalist with tears in her eyes as she scribbled furiously on a notepad while listening to Professor Fetzer. If we hearken back to what Colonel Nelson said about conscience, the question remains: will members of the mainstream media start following their conscience by exposing the lies of 9-11, or will they continue to aid and abet in the ongoing cover-up of the gravest crime ever committed against this country?”

http://69.28.73.17/thorn2006/alexandria.html

[NJCher]

15. now that...

...gives me the shivers. I had no idea about this press conference and I have followed the work of some of these scholars.




Cher

[Angel Wings]

16. Yes, the whole thing leaves me speechless but

the part that I bolded struck me and made me think of Ecumenist's dream as that may be the reason why the reporters, curiously, had no questions. Then I wondered if that tearful reporter might be from Fox news. I also had the thought that maybe Ecumenist could have received the reporter's(either the reporter in the article or another one) anguish over wanting to tell people about what's been going on and the nightmare vision of what the person believes we are headed for...hmmm

[Ecumenist]

17. I must say that I sincerely hope that this is the one dream.....

That is completely contrary. Unfortunately, I dream LITERALLY. When my mother went missing and I had no idea that she was, I dreamt that she was calling out for help a full 4 hours before I found out that there was even a problem with her. I have dreamt of things as mundane as a place that used to seel OVERPRICED pies in Fort Bragg California being closed. I told my husband about the dream and two weeks later, we went for a visit and low and behold, it was closed. I had only seen the store once. We live about 250 miles southeast of the town. I dreamt 3 days in advance of my paternal grandmother's death. She came to me and showed me somehting that was the conbination of an obituary and a eulogy. The dates were on the the news clipping she showed me and doggonit if she didn't cross three days later, just as the date on the paper said.
We had a dream about a friend of the family that had AIDS in 1990, Christmas. We went into his room in the hospital and there he was, completely devoid of all the KS that had covered his face, arms and trunk. He as thanking me and my mom, saying that he was going to ride his Harley. The strangest thing is that this particular hospital, in San Francisco's Haight Ashbury District, was VERY dark inside. However, his room was filled with what I can only describe as the most golden rays of sunlight. We were packing his belongings, (balloons, flowers, etc) and went took the lift down to the lobby. The hospital has a two sets of doors; going out, the first set lets one out of the lobby into a foyer and then out a second set to the outside, presumably to keep the cold ocean breezes out of the lobby. When we got down to the first set of doors, we al went through the first set of doors but only he went out the second. I woke up at the normal time that I usually did, 5:05 am because I commuted to the City from Sacramento BUT that day, I didn't have to leave early that morning. My mom and I left for the job as usual and went about our perspective businesses. That evening, upon arriving home, my two youngest brothers had a weird look on their faces.
They summoned me to another room where they told me that Leonard had passed away sometime between 4:45 and 5:15 am that morning.
I've had dreams about my mother being involved in an accident where a gasoline tanker jackknifed and spilled fuel all over her car, a hyundai. I saw where it would happen and ABOUT when. When I woke up, I told her that if she found herself next to a tanker, to get off at the next offramp and that I didn't care what she would be late for. She laughed at me. About 2 days later, I got up, flipped the news on and wouldn't yaknowit, there was an accident on Hwy 50 where a tanker JACKKNIFED, spilled it's fuel ONE A LITTLE RED SUBCOMPACT and burned. I was panicked. I called her office and she wasn't there. I about passed out because the burning fuel had been so intense that it had vitrified the freeway. There wasn't much left of the car and there was no word of the driver or any passenger. She called me about 45 minutes later to say that she didn't even know about the accident, (her officemates were terrified as well and were relieved that she was okay) and in fact, she'd left early to take care of some early morning appointment she had. You'd best believe that she listened to me from then on.
I say all this to give you an insight as to why I'm more than just a bit nervous about the impact of what that dream may mean.

[Angel Wings]

21. WOW...That' s amazing and quite frighting too.

But, I hope that this is a warning dream meaning that some things may be averted. Like with your dream about your mother being in an accident,when the scene did finally play out, she wasn't actually involved. But, even if it's not exact, it sounds like we could be in for some trouble. Well, let's all pray that we all survive whatever or however it plays out.

Thank you for sharing this with us.

[NuttyFluffers]

36. i'm just stunned about the commute from Sacramento to the City!

O_o that's an unbelievable commute! do you have to do that everyday? oh dear gawd, i could never do that!

otherwise, impressive literal dreaming. quite familiar with many instances myself, along with friends, family, and acquaintances. i've learned to heed dreams, especially pretty focused ones with spooky sleepwaking prophesy.

but i'm not too worried about the war and violence. if it comes, it comes. should be graduating by then, if i go up in a nuclear holocaust it would mean not having to pay off student loans or get a real job. y'know, look to the silver lining and all that. i think i'll start drinking early with my buddies on that friday. pina coladas all around; ya can't take it with ya! :sarcasm: :evilgrin:

[Delphinus]

22. It's appalling that none of the

so-called "journalists" had anything more than one question. I hope it is because they were stunned into silence, but the cynical part of me says they are so far gone from drinking the kool-aid that there's no coming back.

[Angel Wings]

23. I really feel that this in particular has a lot to do with Ecumenist's

dream. I truly believe they have been bribed and threatened into silence about the truths of what is and has been going on with this administration. I feel the relative silence at this press conference was proof and the tears from one of the silent journalist was from frustration, sadness and maybe guilt over the situation. Well, thats how it's appearing to me.

It seems to me that a conference like that one would elicit a lot of conversation.

[lady lib]

18. You've got my attention Ecumenist,

and now I'm starting to think about how to keep my kids safe come next January. Do you feel strongly that your dream is portending an actual event? You sound like your track record is very good. How terrible are we talking about here, on a scale of 1-10? Would you recommend that we plan to be elsewhere on 1.12.07, and where would that elsewhere be?

Any insight would be wonderful. Thanks. :hi:

[undergroundpanther]

19. I had a dream a year ago

that was similar to yours.CNN all crazy,the alarms..except I saw military personnel just killing people.. At the end My partner and I were on 95. Traffic was going west out of maryland twords the interior of the country it was clogged like an evacuation . We were driving east twords the ocean on open road..And I saw in the rearveiw mirror a bomb explode .My partners eyes got real big and he put the gas pedal down all the way..My cat dug his claws into my leg and cars were crashing behind us.. I woke up.

Than about a week ago in a dream I was in some apartment complex in Alabama..It was hot and humid around 2:30 3:00 pm .My partner was in the backyard,stoking up the grill for me(he is crap with a grill)..For some reason there was no electricity on..Kids were playing outside to bored in the house neighbors were out on their porches..Suddenly the sky was looking cloudy like rain.I was in the kitchen getting food ready to cook.. And there was a bright flash and a shock.. My partner ran in asking me if I saw that..Just as I yelled to him WTF was that?.. and we both ran to the door to look out..We both stood on the stoop gawking as He dropped the grill lighter, it clattered on the cement stoop as a column of smoke was going straight up into the sky..And I went Oh no no,no.. no no..,Get the FUCK in here..I grabbed my partners' arm and dragged him inside.The living room was small and the curtains were closed it was dark and eerie in the house.The cats were with us under the couch around our feet crying looking so scared huddled with us and each other their eyes were big......and we just cried too.A siren wailed.. I woke up.

[Pathwalker]

24. Well, do you have a tin foil hat handy?

Because there was a thread in GD yesyerday that I bookmarked because of a link in the thread. That link tells of prophecies, etc. that says a Comet will hit the Earth...eerily close to the time of your brother's birthday.
The GD thread, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x700600#701071

postulated that the reason the * cabal is destroying America is that they KNOW something cataclysmic is going to happen, and are hell bent on grabbing everything they can before it happens. Well, I have that thought at least twice a day, and the link provided by a poster deals with many of the subjects discussed here from time to time.

Here is the link from the GD thread: http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/2000Paper.html

I don't know anything about the person who wrote this web page, but I had read that thread before I read about your dream. When I read your dream, I just FELT it was related somehow to this other thread. I'm not trying to sound alarmist, but I've always wondered WHAT ARE THEY SETTING UP? for everyone by trying to "fulfill" all those Fundy prophecies - why keep fueling all that End Times crap, unless they're actually expecting SOMETHING? Otherwise, the Fundies will eventually realize they've been played, and there'll be hell to pay.

For all I know, it could all be hogwash, but in my heart of hearts, I FEEL something is coming. For me, this comes, not in dreams, but in those quiet moments of stillness, when my mind is open. As though I am supposed to know these things - as though I am being prepared for what's coming.

Anyway, I thought I should share this.

:hi:

[Grateful for Hope]

25. Except, I wonder what good it would do them

to grab what they can if the planet is destroyed or horribly damaged.

I, too, have been having some very strange dreams that wake me up, but, I have not dreamt about destruction so much as that a change is coming wherein we will all need to be more dependent upon each other in all aspects of life.

[Pathwalker]

26. Within the prophecies on the link, it says

they're preparing deep underground bunkers to survive the comet collisions, and Cheyenne Mountian is spoken of, and it says they're sucessful in survivng, and keeping the human race alive. This was prophesied by a woman who lived very, very long ago. Norad is deep within the earth, as well.

And today, Bush wouldn't answer when he was asked if the end times are here...:shrug:

[I Have A Dream]

27. Personally, I would not want to survive if this were to happen. n/t

[Grateful for Hope]

28. I did hear that

He said something to the effect that "he hadn't really thought about that" with a little laugh when asked about the end times.

[loudsue]

31. Geez!!! I hope THEY aren't the ones to "repopulate" the earth.

If they are, I wouldn't want to be here, anyway.

I hear heaven is a nice vacation spot between lifetimes.

:kick::kick::kick:

[cliss]

34. Notorious, thank you for

posting both the thread in the GD and the link to the Comet Impact. The thread was just amazing; and this link - wow.

I do believe it's time to go over our Disaster Preparedness stuff in the garage.....it's been neglected since the Y-2-K scare. We stored about 6 months worth of food. It was a really good learning experience.It didn't cost very much, either, even though the neighbors laughed about it.

If we really were in some kind of a holocaust, guess who would be on our doorstep, crying?

By the way, I'm with you 100% about feeling that something is up. Amazingly, I've had this feeling of something coming, something really devastating will happen to the US, other countries as well. I've felt this way for about 10 years.....just sort of a general feeling of dread. Like you, I feel it in my heart. When Bush came into office in 2000, I sometimes became panicky. I just knew there was SO much behind the surface that we never heard about (like the PNAC and other nefarious plots) but we could sense, nonetheless.

Please consider starting a separate thread on this topic. We need to keep the psychic pipeline open. Thankx.

[yellowdawgdem]

29. what a dream

I think it's a good idea to pay attention to the dream, and especially the exact date it gave you. There's really no way anybody could tell you if there will be some type of event at that time. Could you ask for another dream that clarified this one?
It sounded, from what you said, that the first part of the dream had to do with the media finally coming clean about why they haven't been giving us the news. And them admitting that they'd been coerced into that, and then they were saying that this event or attack was partly the result of them being held back from giving accurate news.
So, in a sense, that felt to me like an improvement- however, it would be impossible to know if this is another government planned event like 911, or an explosion from a comet, or an attack of some other kind. Sometimes you can get out of the area, but sometimes that's not possible.
Personally, I haven't been having as many gloom and doom dreams or daytime fantasies. It seems to me that the worst has already happened, and while I know that isn't really so- I think that I am somewhat numbed out at this point. The Los Angeles riots were alot like your dream description of chaos- stores looted, no electricity for several days.
It's also interesting that so many people now are predicting improvement during 007. I think Nancy Waterman has discussed some difficult aspects during 007 and 008. The thing is, we generally have a mix of good and bad aspects, and it is impt to remember that really good things often follow the really really bad things that happen.
I'm glad that you posted the dream, and hope that you have more of them. I like that they are specific and clear. I just wish our collective vibes would lighten up a little.

[BlueIris]

30. Just out of curiosity...

when you refered to the "Los Angeles riots," did you mean the post-Rodney King riots, or an older event, like Watts? Sorry, I'm a younger poster, but I try to keep things in perspective.

[yellowdawgdem]

32. post Rodney King

I meant post-Rodney King- those were in the early '90's, but I can't remember if it was 91 or 92. I think it was April 1992.
I'm old, but I guess I'm not ready for the dinosaur museum yet!
But seriously, yeah, in spite of the deaths and injuries with that event, I thought it was effective. It really changed people's thinking on racially motivated police brutality, and it has been taken more seriously since then. I just wish that it could've been done with less bloodshed. But yeah, lots of stores got looted, and were left unlocked, and then people would just run in and take stuff. and people sat all day at their neighborhood bar to watch the news reports.

[cliss]

33. Ecumenist, that was an incredibly

frightening dream. Obviously, it was vivid. As I was reading my way down the thread, the hair on my arms stood up. Even though it is dreadful, I'm glad you posted your dream. I absolutely believe that we have the ability to see into the future, and because our daytime waking minds are so locked into the mundane world, sometimes future events use dreams to manifest themselves.

I've only had a couple of dreams which I would label as 'prophetic', because they were so intense, so vivid. They left an imprint on my waking consciousness; that's the only reason I remember them. They were about natural disasters, though. We're here on the Pacific Coast, and we have our own vulnerabilities.

Dream #1: happened about 10 years ago. I dreamed that I was sleeping on the living room floor. It was early spring. It was just before daybreak, maybe around 3:30 a.m. Suddenly, without warning, water started seeping into our house. I woke up because I was suddenly sitting in a pool of dark brown, icy cold water. I was shocked. You know how it is when you're suddenly awakened; you have trouble gathering your senses.

So I stood up in the water that was coming in faster now. I leaned over and scooped up a handful of water and tasted it. It tasted of salt water. I was blown away. Oh my God, we've had a tsunami, and this is water from the coast. That's when I knew we were in big trouble. I woke up the kids, and we had an enormous struggle to try to survive.

Dream #2: happened about 6 months ago. Again, I was sleeping on the floor in the living room. I was laying on my side, and my pillow had scooted away from me so I was actually laying with my ear right up against the carpeting. I suddenly became aware of something happening underground. I could actually "feel" or "hear" red molten lava moving up from way underneath the earth, up towards the surface. It was really frightening.

Who knows what the meaning is? I don't know. Neither one has happened, but there is no doubt certain rare dreams are SO vivid, so real that you can't forget them.

*by the way, I'm going to be more prepared for next January, thanks to your premonition.

[Helga Scow Stern]

35. Some astrological thoughts...

I use the chart rectified by Vedic astrologer James Kelleher, after I spent a lot of time comparing it in US history and current events to the Sibley and other charts. It gives the US a later birthtime of 6:25pm. Kelleher also found some historical documentation backing up this late final signing of the Declaration of Independence.

The chart has 28 Sagittarius 35 on the ascendant, 21 Libra 24 on the Midheaven. This chart scored another point of credibility when it showed the theft of the presidental election with the solar eclipse of October 2004 directly on the midheaven. This indicated that the office of the presidency (Midheaven) would be either absconded with or fundamentally eclipsed in some way. Astrologers using the Sibley chart missed this, although astrological predictions are failing in many cases anyway because such deep level transformation is occuring that the same old rules no longer always apply.

The date of January 12, 2007 shows some interesting parallels with your dream. The conjunction of Pluto and Mars mentioned above is at 27Sag, nearly within a degree of the ascendant, and more ominously, it is nearly exact in aspect to natal Pluto and Moon. Pluto shows transformational processes of all kinds, and the Moon represents the people and the media. Tertiary progressions for the date also show a conjunction of violence-prone, uncontainable Mars and Uranus in opposition to the natal Moon! If nothing else, this indicates a waking up on the part of the media and therefore the people. Assets and banks are under attack as well (your dream?). In the Western chart, the Moon is in the house of finances and money, as well as public security and safety. In the vedic chart, it more clearly shows the media and the disruption of communication and transportation by virtue of its being in the third house.

Finally, the Moon rules Cancer, the sign of the country, and the indicator of the hoi-poloi as well as the people, as it contains the Sun and Jupiter--the powerful and the fatcats. In the Vedic chart, the Moon rules the house of death, as well as of hidden agendas, assets, and transformation.

We enter into a Moon-Venus-Moon period in the dasa sequence beginning January 2, 2007. Let me give a little background on what this means. The Moon period lasts 10 years, and it began in October 1998. Isn't that when the propaganda machine began to be cranked up with the accelleration of the real manipulation of the press? The Moon-Venus period begins in August 2006 and lasts until April 2008. Since January of 2006 we have been under Moon Ketu (south node), which would apply to a maximum blackout by the press since Ketu or the south node is in the 12th house from the moon, indicating the loss of reporting and the truth. When Venus bursts on the scene in August, not only will our enemies (7th house) be energized, but there will be a desire to communicate the suppressed truth, although it still may not be allowed. The gushing forth in your dream seems to coincide with the nature of these explosive transits and progressions involving Mars with Pluto and Uranus in aspect to the Moon.

I am glad you shared this dream. It contains much significant information for us all. I do not get the feeling that the death is nation-wide, but that several significant areas are affected. The fact that there is such a focus on the media in your dream shows me that this may be the main message, perhaps more so than just the deaths. I do also notice that January 12 is the birthday of two of our most popular and "potent" media icons, one of whom is assassinated in the dream: Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern.

The dream does not surprise me, except it comes a bit earlier than I expected. I see major change happening starting later in 2007 and 2008. We leave the period of the Moon and go into that of Mars for seven years in 2008, and Pluto crosses the "correct" US ascendant in 2007 and 2008. Mars is in the sixth house and I hope and pray it means that the people rise up similarly to how they have done around labor movements in the past. This is as much a possibility as is war, although unfortunately, that may be accellerated as well under Mars.