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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 08:31 PM
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2012 - A Question for the Astrologers
I've been thinking a lot lately about the Mayan calendar prediction of the year 2012 as being the end of the current era, or the end of "linear time," as I've heard it described in this forum. As I'm reading and gathering more info, I'm convinced that a major change is coming, and coming quite soon. For a while I thought it would just be the collapse of society when the fossil fuel runs out, but I think it will be bigger than that, I think it'll be a climate disaster as well.

My question is to the astrologers. Is there anything in astrology that indicates a major upheaval in the year 2012, or thereabouts, give or take a few years? Is it possible to read the "chart" of a planet, or even make large-scale predictions like that? Just curious.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 08:53 PM
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1. This is a fascinating topic, while I cannot offer any astrological
expertise, I'm sure many here can. I'd love to hear about your research and hope you and others will share! :thumbsup:
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:35 PM
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2. Have you heard of the concept of earth's ascension?
It's the idea that big changes are coming, but it's not the end, it's the beginning of something amazing. There were a lot of threads in this forum about Michael Sharp's The Book of Life which is all about that. You can do a search to find those threads, or you can just google "earth ascension 2012".

It also ties into the idea of the end of the age of Pisces and the beginning of the age of Aquarius. Hopefully some astrologers will show up to tell you more about that. Nancy Waterman, who used to post on DU a lot, wrote a little bit about it in an article on her website.

The constellation of Aquarius depicts an angel pouring the waters of truth over humanity. Many have suggested that the coming Age of Aquarius will be some kind of golden age. Its dawning will certainly bring about the end of the dominance of the Western/Christian (Pisces) civilization, and it seems we are already seeing this begin to unfold. It is perhaps not a coincidence that the US progressed Sun began its 30-year crossing of Pisces beginning in late 2004, bringing with it a feeling of lost strength and a time of confused identity for the nation. The emotional and demagogic tone of political discourse, often devoid of truth and more prone to manipulation, also is a reflection of this Piscean energy. During the first two and half years of this progression (11/04 through 5/07), when the US progressed Sun is in the Pisces duadashamsa, these qualities will remain particularly strong.

Innate to the Aquarian mind is a strong sense of the one human family to which we all belong, with little consequence given to the nationalistic, racial, or religious differences that sow the seeds of so much discord today. Each individual is valued for him or herself, and, at the same time, no one is accounted of greater worth than another. Herein lies the paradox. We are of one human family, and yet we must totally honor the individuality and hence the freedom of the individual. Aquarius is known for its insistence on free expression while at the same time harboring strong feelings of universal brother/sisterhood and the capacity to work as one among equals for a common goal. Along these lines, it seems that the world may move increasingly toward some form of socialism in the next centuries and away from the current focus on capitalism, where the inequality between the superwealthy and everyone else is growing daily.

At present, the pressing reality of globalization would seem to be a necessary first step toward our ultimate transformation into the Aquarian Age. The immediate task is to learn to live and work together, increasingly interdependent and unified in purpose while at the same time, paradoxically, respectful and mindful of differences. We may also find that the growing crisis of climate change necessitates a global effort that supercedes our petty national differences, creating another challenge that must be mastered that will lead us to a future Aquarian consciousness. Although we still dwell in a Pisces reality, there are clearly moments when our common humanity trumps our nationalistic, religious, or ethnic differences – such as a global rescue effort after a devastating tsunami or a worldwide anti-war march over 10 million strong. Each of these moments is another drop of color that adds to the inexorable movement of the shifting rainbow spectrum, slowly moving from Pisces to Aquarius.

http://www.starlightnews.com/global.html

Happy Hunting! I know things look bleak right now with Bush and company seemingly hell-bent on destroying us all, but I feel sure this is going to lead to something new and different.


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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:56 PM
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3. check this guy out
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:03 PM
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4. Wow. Great link! Thanks for sharing!
:hi:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:06 PM
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5. This is wonderful! Thanks for posting it! n/t
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 11:08 PM by I Have A Dream
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 03:13 AM
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6. Sometimes websites are not what they appear to be
Edited on Sun Mar-19-06 03:34 AM by lady lib
on the surface. Sometimes they're designed to manipulate you out of your money or to manipulate your thinking. Sometimes they're just hooey. And sometimes they're all those things at once. Be careful because I think this may be one of those sites. The author of The Matrix books being peddled on this site http://www.trufax.org/catalog/gencatalog.html is "Val Valerian" which is a pseudonym for John Grace. John Grace is (or was) Captain John Grace of the counterintelligence division of Air Intelligence of the U.S. Air Force.

Curious.

Here's the little I found after a couple of quick searches.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/valerian.htm
http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/thoughts_2.htm
http://www.goodsky.homestead.com/files/deception2.html

Peace.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 03:55 PM
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7. When I just went to the site, I got
something that popped up a Mozilla window that looked like I had an infection of the "blackworm" virus, but it didn't say that specifically. It said "You may be infected ...." Don't know. But I'm going to check. It was trying to get you to download WinAntiVirusPro2006 and WinAntiSpyware2006. If it was my virus checker, I would expect it to come up with a Norton window, not another browser window.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:44 PM
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12. Thank you for that link - I need to read more closely but even now.......
....it seems so interesting. Thanks
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leanin_green Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 03:08 AM
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8. Okay, here goes.
Astrologically there is no way in current astrological thought to really cast a chart for these kinds of events. These are timings that are more galactic in nature and have to do with the the galactic center and the movement of solar systems around the central sun--or more perfectly-- the super massive black hole that all the solar systems contained within the Milky Way galaxy revolves around.

Consequently, the Mayan calendar was created by those who knew the math it took to calculate the movement of our solar system through the different densities of space as it moved around this central sun. Our solar system is a microcosom of a much larger model to which our solar system would represent a mere star or planetary body moving around its own central sun. If we could make constellations from these points of light from a perspective of one looking at the whole galaxy and therefore derive another form of astrological concepts as they relate to the different energy fields for entire solar systems as they move through the quadrants superimposed upon the galaxy you can begin to understand how one could derive qualities of vibration as it relates to entire solar systems rather than particular planets contained within those solar systems.

Therefore, 2012 is the time acknowledged by the Mayan calendar for the shift into a different quadrant of space for our solar system as it moves around the central sun. The density of that quadrant is of a different vibrational quality. There will be changes throughout the entire solar system. Already there are signs at the poles of both Saturn and the outer planets. Auroras are being seen at the poles of Saturn. There is a new spot forming on Jupiter. Venus is becoming brighter. Mars' polar caps are receeding. The Earth's polar ice is receeding as well.

This is an ancient astrology that I am beginning to tap into as Pluto moves over my Saturn at the Galactic Center. David Wilcock has also done some incredible work in the scientific field surrounding the Mayan astronomical data. Read his e-book The Shift of Ages to get some of this information.

http://www.divinecosmos.com

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:46 PM
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9. Some ascribe to our Solar System entering the photon belt theory.
I won't recommend any particular site as I'm mixed about much of the data but mostly feel it's true. The best site I saw I can no longer access.

Creatrix knows something better help us all and soon. In the meantime I've a few suggestions.

PM me if you want the details.

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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 03:42 PM
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10. Thanks for all the replies!
I'm checking back a little late to my own thread, but I read and appreciated everyone's response. I'll definitely check out some of the references and links that have been given!
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 08:50 PM
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11. Here's what Maya del Mar has to say on 2012
I happen to love this Astrologer. Make of it what you will.Oh, and fasten your seat belt - again.

http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/aarch03/0306jun/feature2-2012.shtml
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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:46 AM
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13. Hi everyone.
Long-time occasional lurker at this forum. I'm not sure how to introduce you guys to Kryon so I'm just going to post some links and anyone interested can check further into it.

I will also post snips regarding 2012 and 11:11, but there is much more information than I can post here. I'm on Book IX now and was urged by the person who turned me on to Kryon to read the books in order. I would say the same to anyone interested in exploring this. They are all available on the Kryon website or through Amazon. Actually, just google "introduction to Kryon" or somesuch and they're available lots of places.

There are actually two Kryon websites - Kryon.com and Kryon.org. At Kryon.com there is a Q&A section that I love. (Actually, to my confusion, if you go to the .org site and "site favorites," "Q&A", you're automatically taken to the .com site.) Much of the information isn't in any of the books.


~~~

http://www.ylana.com/kryon1.htm

From the writer...(Re: Book I - The End of Times)

These next few pages may contain some of the most enlightening glimpses yet as to the way things work from the entity known to me as "Kryon." As the Channeling/writer, I have had the extraordinary privilege of putting Kryon’s messages on paper. I have known of Kryon for some time, and have essentially ignored him. It took two psychic readers unknown to each other, three years apart, to actually spell his name out loud in a session and say that he was of importance and so... sheepishly I plopped myself down at the word processor and began to transcribe Kryon’s messages to all of us.

Immediately, Kryon gave us a very loving look at a prime issue: The subject of Jesus Christ, who he really is, and a good synopsis of the Metaphysical belief system (Chapter 6 in this book). Kryon even gave us new interpretations of the Holy Scripture... and I almost didn’t write it down, I was so startled by the boldness! (I was also afraid lightning might strike me at any moment, an obvious cultural influence). Kryon is speaking directly to humans in the western world through these writings, and he seems to relate to what is happening to us personally right now.

I am told repeatedly to be still and write, and not to complain about what I get... and not to worry about what others may say (Kryon is very practical and very direct). He reminds me constantly that I am under contract to do this, and that we have had service together in the past. Naturally I have no direct knowledge of what he is talking about, since I am very much a part of Earth, and very skeptical of just about everything until it hits me on the head enough times... as Kryon has. Believe me, this experience is highly unusual for me. I am a businessman who hasn’t channeled anything more than my TV set for 48 years... and now this! There is something urgent, serious, and at the same time very loving, from this high entity beyond the veil (as Kryon calls it).

This writing is for the more Metaphysical of you. Kryon wants to speak about the other side of the veil, and who he is, why he is here, and a little of what is coming up for us on Earth. He doesn’t like to be genderized (as I have done in this sentence), but I refuse to call the entity an "it," and calling him a "shim" (she/him) contraction won’t do either. So I revert to a him whenever I absolutely have to for syntax. Kryon has one recurring theme, and I am given the repeated message that it is very important: "LOVE is the most powerful force in the entire Universe. It is the glue that will bond our belief together, instead of the doctrine that does it for the other systems. Love is not being recognized for its power, and it is not being used by us correctly." I think that as these writings proceed, further chapters will expound on what we should do to solve this.

If you have no knowledge of the Metaphysical belief system, I suggest you read more about it within the sixth chapter of this book (Jesus Christ – who he really was); otherwise what follows may sound very strange indeed! Those of you with some knowledge of the Universal belief system will be more at home with what is to come.

Kryon wants me to write for the common person, not the one who has been part of the "New Age" movement for years and years. He admonished me very early on to keep the process simple and direct, and has given me good methods in which to do so. Those who have been in the movement for many years won’t have any problems with this kind of writing, but Kryon tells me that there may be some resistance from the old timers due to new interpretations. It seems that we are entering a time where information is going to be much clearer. In the past a great deal of information had the right thrust, but the wrong facts, and now we are going to clear some of this up.

This book features the first time that Kryon will come forward and speak in the first person. Within the entire book I am actually typing as it comes, with very little steering correction along the way. I have been very clearly instructed to do this, and to let the grammar fall where it may and the communication flow... the result is a style that is a bit ragged, but you will read it with the same ‘first time’ spontaneity that it was written.

What follows, therefore, we will both see for the first time... myself as the writer and you as the reader. Most chapters will have writer’s notes before them, and each time there will be comments written before the actual Kryon communication.

LEE CARROLL

...And now, meet Kryon.


~Much more

http://www.ylana.com/kryon1.htm

~~~~

http://www.kryon.com/k_chanelchicago03.html

~snip~

"But what about the ancient Mayans, who said that in 2012 we would see the end of time?" Think metaphorically, just like all messages are given from Spirit. First of all, this date is a marker and corresponds with one of the 25-year measurements of the planet (as we told you many years ago). The last important measurement was 1987, when the 11:11 took place. The Mayan message isn't prophecy of the end of the earth, but rather a description of the end of an old paradigm. It's an energy marker, and not to be feared. It's just a date.

We will give you another potential around 2012: You have until the end of 2012 to set a standard for the energy of the next 25 years (to 2037). The end of time? No. The potential is that 2012 is the end of an old paradigm of time - a new Human consciousness that will bring great change.

Finally, does it now start to make sense that the new children of Earth that you call Indigo and Crystal have started to arrive at this new time? Why now? Perhaps you're beginning to see the correlation of events, both spiritual and physical, which all validate that something's happening? It's all around you to examine. Is it new? Yes...

~~~~

http://www.kryon.com/k_chanelshastaA04.html

From Live Kryon Channelling
June 19, 2004
As channelled by Lee Carroll for Kryon


~snip~


Spiritual windows of action are given to humanity by the Universe in linear ways (representing a period of consecutive years, often in multiples of 8). The profound window opened in 1987 with the energy of the Harmonic Convergence (celebrated later as the 11:11). It closed with the Harmonic Concordance of 2003. This window represented a number of years that were linearly presented, known to you, and even predicted. They all had to do with planetary motion and energy, and were explained by Kryon. Now here's another one with the Transit of Venus. This is a smaller window, something that doesn't happen any more often than every 130 years, and it's an 8-year window. For in eight years, in 2012, you'll have another Venus Transit.

Now we wish you to put together some of the things that Kryon has given you for the last decade, not just within the numerology, but also what we've told you were the possibilities of Earth. Listen: We told you of a changing consciousness of Earth, and we told you that astronomical attributes of your own solar system could create energy on the planet if it was ready. You're ready, and here it is! But logic might tell you that those astronomers of thousands of years ago would look at this same planetary motion and say, "What's the big deal? It would have happened anyway. So, Kryon, how can you give a large metaphysical attribute and assign special "new energy" to what we knew was going to happen thousands of years ago? Right now we know it's going to happen again. Does that mean that the planet is going to be changing yet again? Then what about the next time and the next? How can you make a big spiritual event out of ordinary planetary motion that's established and known?" This is the question we'll answer tonight...

~~~



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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 09:49 AM
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14. This looks like wonderful information, jen4clark! I hope...
that people see it buried in this thread. If not, you may want to start a separate thread with this same information in it.

I'll definitely look the material over. Thanks for posting it!
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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 10:01 AM
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15. I'm so happy you found it Dreamer!
I believe those who are meant to find the information will, just as I did. If it "rings" true for you, please feel free to share it with the forum however you wish. I'm more of a "lurker" and don't feel comfortable/confident enough to start a thread.

Doggie is giving me that look! Time to go! LOL!
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