Ghost chickens and warnings

[undergroundpanther]

I used to have a pet rooster. He was the coolest bird ever.
I got him as a chick,he was a black cute chirpy puffball.I named him Blackie.Most chicks are yellow but Blackie stood out with his inky feathers.He grew up into a handsome jungle fowl rooster with 6 inch dagger like spurs on his ankles that were used against a bullying dog named chipper,who intimidated and chased my dog Mikey. Chipper never came in the yard after that because he feared Blackie...Blackie was a bit vain about his tail,which was beautiful grand display that had him strutting like a peacock to impress the ladies.I used to tell him he was such a hen heart-breaker with that tail.Anyways I had him for around 7 years.He used to crow in the morning and he was so loud he'd wake me up for school.When I got home,I would snatch the cat, and we would crawl into the coop which held the rabbits and doves and chickens. I played my battery operated radio and pet everyone. My cat Rikki and Blackie would lay together sometimes.I could take this chicken anywhere.He would just perch on me. He came when called,He would fly up and perch on my arm if I asked him to. Sometimes he got so comfy resting in the crook of my arm he'd settle his head into my armpit and fall asleep... and he snored too..
I dunno if people understand how beautiful Chickens are.This is what Blackie looked like.He was a Jungle Fowl like this one..a kind of chicken native to Thiland and Asia. Except his Comb was the "Pea" style comb.


I dream of him once in awhile.Sometimes I see his spirit in a tree in the backyard,or walking around.I even saw him in the hospital along with my cat when I had surgery(pre-op)making sure all was ok.. I see his head bobbing back and forth out of the corner of my eye in the house too.I get messages from him. Here is one I had awhile ago and my thoughts on it.

Before the "Bird Flu" scare hit the news a few years ago I dreamed of Blackie. At first he was walking west into the sun. He walked past pits full of burnt and burning dead chickens. He walked to texas and to a veterinary lab facility there. I followed him. He led me to a bio lab where chickens were being tested or injected with something.I saw an image that looked like raspberries.He led me to factory farms filled to capacity with caged chickens that were traumatized and crazy from stress some were suicidal.. They got sick.I saw a few people getting sick from them.The Chickens were angry and calling justice upon the people handling them in factory farms for mistreating them.Blackie warned me about Bird Flu,before it hit the news.I just didn't know it until after the fact..

It would be interesting to see if Bird Flu is bio-engineered.
Considering it is factory farms that are most guilty of spreading it,and it's small local farmers that treat their birds better who are getting their birds culled by their governments,and wild migratory birds being culled while factory farms are not so scrutinized continue to abuse chickens for profits .Anyways I think Blackie was trying to tell me why there is bird flu now. It's because factory farms abuse the chickens in their care and the chickens can't take it anymore.Also there is a spiritual reason.

I have had a habit of caring for injured birds and loving the birds and animals I meet.I thank the spirits of the animals that inhabited the bodies of whatever meat I am eating comes from,and I give them my appreciation.I offer them comfort if they show me images of their life and try to relate. I apologize for their suffering and tell the animal spirits that what is being done to them by factory farms is wrong...It seems they need to hear that acknowledgment,even if you cannot stop the'machine'they seem comforted to know not all humans are in denial..

I am very disgusted by corporate farms.And I am even more disgusted because of what animals have shown me. But I also realize if you are poor you don't have alot of options,the animals understand this when I tell them.The chickens seem to understand that too.But also they are saying they are being abused and they want every human to realize that and admit it is wrong. And so they are pushing back in their own way for a solution to their own suffering. This is why there is a bird flu. It is a cry for justice.So if we will not stop corporate abuse of chickens or at least acknowledge that abuse of animals by corporations is wrong,than the chickens will use their powers to hurt us until we stop abusing them.This is what it has come to.

This is the gist of the messages I have gotten from Blackie about Bird flu.

He also asks for our appreciation & blessings for all chickens,and whatever other meat we eat and asks us for help for all animals mistreated by for profit corporations that think living beings are just products to use and abuse..

I saw Blackie again in a dream ,a few days ago,he asked me to tell people about the dreams. To tell them why and to warn them.
Blackie himself is torn up inside.. He knows people can be kind, he was giving me memories of snuggling with me, from a chickens perspective and it choked me up.And after that he showed me some asshole on a factory farm assembly line dumping a chicken that was not dead yet into a scalding tank,I saw this incident from that chickens point of view and it was horrific. I felt so sad after the fear wore off..

Blackie was saying he was confused about humans. He wants people to understand chickens have spirits too and they feel and they are not stupid. He told me the spirits of chickens at factory farms are in anguish they are confused and they linger around the Earth because they don't know what to do.They are angry and traumatized and they are causing problems because nobody cares about their spirits as if they don't have spirits. So they are stuck in a kind of limbo.
I think the Chickens are asking us to help them somehow,even if it is simple acknowledgment of the abuses that go on are wrong while we eat chicken and to help their spirits to go home..

In the most recent dream,Blackie showed me Maryland,he took me to Montgomery County ,He took me to Delaware too, somewhere on the eastern shore,and showed me in pictures that Bird Flu will be here this summer from the looks of the trees it looked like june or july..

So I'm putting this up here.For Blackie.
We need to help the chicken spirits go home.We need to help the chickens suffering here if we can.If we want to avoid being hit hard by the Bird Flu.

[NJCher]

1. I have been dreading the arrival of bird flu

It's just unbearable, thinking of all those chickens being put to death.

I don't know how I will get through it.

I love Blackie, just from your description.

Corporate farms are appalling. I try, every chance I get, to educate people as to why they should buy free-range chicken.

Blackie's dream brought tears to my eyes. Damn. Being sensitive in this world can be so difficult.

Undergroundpanther, I also wanted to tell you how much I liked looking at your graphics on the other thread. And thank you for sharing this story about Blackie with us, even though it did make me cry.




Cher

[undergroundpanther]

2. Thanks

Blackie and the chickens seem to know how humans are exploited by rich human bullies who could care less about others pain. So if you can't afford free range chicken,That is what I asked Blackie about,So he reminded me that chickens sometimes eat each other's dead bodies. And this is true.Chickens are sometimes cannibals by choice. So it is not the fact we eat chickens that upsets them. It is the abuse and the denial about it.

So even if you can't buy free range,at least you can help chicken spirits find peace. In your mind astrally go to the chicken spirits that pour out like a river or cloud from the slaughter houses that run 24 hours a day and help them to cross over,give them kindness tell them that you are not in denial,let them tell you about their lives,and guide them home..They will appreciate it.And tell them you know the truth and will not deny what evil happens to them everyday.

Sometimes it is hard to step out of comfort zones but we have to learn to do this and feel another's suffering ,we have to re learn to empathize with others and not fear it..We have to even if we eat their bodies ourselves. We do not have to deny their spirits too.
Chickens have spirits and their bodies are not what they are ultimately. Chicken spirits are glorious like phoenixes.But while they are here their spirits are traumatized through the abuse of their minds and their bodies by the evil of this world,just like people or other beings are when they are in a body..Remember chickens and people did not create this sick world where life feeds upon life to live,and die anyway it is the doing of an evil mad creator asshole archon.. This world is flawed deeper than our causes,it is molecularly fucked up and we did not make it this way. We can make it better or worse.But we cannot alter the way the reality is on a fundamental level.It's not our or the chickens creation. We are all prisoners here, spirits trapped in bodies.In a world that harms spirits by abusing bodies that hold spirits..And we need to help each other cope and to get out.

[I Have A Dream]

3. It took me over 40 years, but I finally got to the point that I just...

could no longer live with myself for eating meat. For 5 years prior to becoming a complete vegetarian, I ate seafood. However, it got more and more difficult for me until I got to the point where I could no longer even eat seafood because I would think of all of the lives that I was taking when I ate things like shrimp; a single meal took dozens of lives.

I am currently reading some information by the Ascended Masters. It says that people should not eat meat because "The animal has an emotional body, and the vibration of fear recorded previous to and at the moment of death qualifies the flesh, and that quality is absorbed by the emotional body of the human being who eats it. This process also causes a certain substance to condense into the brain, which dulls the intellect and presense of the finer impulses of the I AM Presence from flowing into it. Fear is the wide-open door through which the dark forces hold control over personalities."

I personally don't feel any difference since not eating meat, but I feel better about myself. I feel that I'm being true to my soul.

If someone does eat meat (it's a decision that everyone must make for his/herself), I think that the things that you are doing are very important -- trying, when possible, to buy it from non-factory farms, expressing appreciation to the spirit of the animal, and making sure that no meat goes to waste (no animal dies in vain).

Your post had such a profound effect on me. When I was young, I always wondered about our justification for eating meat. Using the logic that many people use to justify eating meat (we're more advanced and more intelligent than animals are), it would be OK if a more advanced civilization colonized us and used us as food using the same rationale that we use -- they're smarter and more advanced than we are.

The decision to eat meat is extremely personal and can only be made by each individual. However, I do wonder whether it affects our civilization in ways that we don't understand.

[undergroundpanther]

4. I understand it is a personal thing too.

I eat meat because I have to.My sister is vegitarian and she is having problems. She has skin and bone issues from her diet now.I commend her commitment tho. Our family seems to have weird protein synthisis, and are not careful about protien intake we can get sick..I don't think I could do what my sister does I have tried to tho. And Damn I got pretty sick after a week. I have the metabolic issue worse than my sister does.I think the Animals understand nature better than we do after all they still live with it closer.We isulated ourselves.. Lions eat Antelope and Zebras,and Hyenas eat baby lion cubs if they can get away with it..this world is this way.

It is horrible and wrong..but I take comfort knowing I do not create this reality. If I did no animals or people or plants for that matter would suffer and things would be very different than they are.

For giggles I googled pet chicken and I got this article it really made my day.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/2003-06-25-pet-chickens_x.htm

[I Have A Dream]

5. Yes, I was lucky because I didn't feel any difference when I stopped...

eating meat. I had actually hoped that I'd feel better and that I'd be able to tell a difference in my vibrational frequency. However, I was lucky that I didn't feel worse. I'm sure that I don't get enough protein. (I don't think that I did even when I did eat meat.) However, I do eat eggs and dairy products. I try to buy organic products, hoping that the animals are treated better. However, there's nothing that guarantees this given how conglomerates have even taken over organic products now.

The pet chicken article is great! :)

[undergroundpanther]

6. More thoughts

>I could no longer live with myself for eating meat. For 5 >years prior to becoming a complete vegetarian, I ate >seafood. However, it got more and more difficult for me >until I got to the point where I could no longer even eat >seafood because I would think of all of the lives that I was >taking when I ate things like shrimp; a single meal took >dozens of lives.

Think on this,before you get too guilty, if you take antibiotics you are killing billions of bacteria. If you walk on dirt ground you can crush countless insects.If you put flea treatments on your pets you are killing off millions of fleas. You cannot live without killing something else in this world. Even the vegetarians in india are not true vegetarians the fruits and veggies have bugs on them the eaters of said veggies don't notice.

>I am currently reading some information by the Ascended >Masters. It says that people should not eat meat because >"The animal has an emotional body, and the vibration of fear >recorded previous to and at the moment of death qualifies >the flesh, and that quality is absorbed by the emotional >body of the human being who eats it.

I think if you fear "absorbing" vibrations it is an excuse to not share the burden this world puts on emotional bodies,it's a cop out. I mean how can you begin to feel for the victims of death or even tolerate listening and acknowledging suffering if you fear for yourself being" contaminated"? Feeling as if it was your own suffering is how you learn to empathize with the pain of others and eventually how you can learn to help them too and share the burdens and eventually you cease fearing death.And when you die fear will not bind you or enchant you..If you are afraid of being contaminated by another beings pain,how is that anything but emotional fear?

I would not avoid meat as if the animals death trauma will somehow contaminate my energy.Even if I could go vegetarian I would not avoid meat for that reason.It smacks of selfishness to me. I cannot let myself be so controlled by my own fear of contamination as to avoid facing the reality that this world is flawed and it hurts all beings imprisoned here alive and dead.. This world IS traumatic and part of healing the beings stuck here means getting my energies dirty and dealing with that fact,it does feel unpleasant it's hands on and heart tenderly given away without your own fear or denial, interfering with giving.

The act of facing the fear and acknowledging it means growing through it, it means getting contaminated.(however you don't have to eat meat to empathize you just have to realize that a victims trauma is not your own fault or your own personal experince and you do that by putting yourself aside and risking) Blackie was asking us to share the burden of the chickens collective trauma, to relate and feel the chicken's pain enough to relate TO THEM and empathize with THEM without letting fear or ego interfere. This means you feel with them in sympathy and respond out of true understanding that only relating to the suffering one as if you were there can do..



>This process also causes a certain substance to condense >into the brain, which dulls the intellect and presence of >the finer impulses of the I AM Presence from flowing into >it.

Umm ,I must say,think that rationale there,is bullshit. I am pretty sensitive and I touched you apparently.I didn't become sensitized by hiding myself away from the realities of trauma and death and the wounds or avoiding it like a disease. Trauma happens to amny being in a body and avoidance does not give you "protection" from this reality.. I got my sensitivity by daring to risk "contamination" even though I did not HAVE to and caring more than I feared self harm from "contamination" This is what empathy requires.

It does not harm people to open up and feel others trauma or situations with empathy.Trauma itself when it happens to you personally DOES harm. Dulling your own empathy to others when you are not suffering right now is what can lead a person to justify all sorts of atrocities in the name of"helping"as if they knew ,it is a kind of arrogance..Those "ascended masters" aren't all that and a bag of chips IMHO.

You can take the pain and transmute it and learn,with empathy.Real empathy. Not put on fear based posing as empathy I see "new agers" and light workers do,that shuts off as soon as their dogmas are questioned..That"contamination" theory is ultimately another form of ego driven self preservation and I think it is from a different source than the"I Am" I hope you are referring to.


>Fear is the wide-open door through which the dark forces >hold control over personalities."

Fear of "contamination" is another fake wall that stunts a person from learning to have empathy with victims.This selfish sort of fears of"impurity" is one way beliefs are twisted to keep abusers safe from accountability for their crimes..Feel the fear and relate to the hurting anyway. That's what I do.I value some things more than my own survival,"peace of mind",control or"purity".The world suffer s and I am not afraid to suffer with it,because I care. Sometimes things have NOTHING to do with me,but everything to do with relating to another's suffering and hearing their needs and helping them..If I fear being contaminated by caring for others when will I ever get over the fear of contamination enough to care for them? Do you see what I mean?

[I Have A Dream]

11. OK. n/t

[jokerman93]

25. Keep posting Underground Panther!

"I cannot let myself be so controlled by my own fear of contamination as to avoid facing the reality that this world is flawed and it hurts all beings imprisoned here alive and dead.. This world IS traumatic and part of healing the beings stuck here means getting my energies dirty and dealing with that fact,it does feel unpleasant it's hands on and heart tenderly given away without your own fear or denial, interfering with giving.

The act of facing the fear and acknowledging it means growing through it, it means getting contaminated."

Wow.

You've got soul, brother! Courage too. I like your way of seeing things here, and I agree. (Although, I'll have to abstain from agreeing that the world is evil - or even good - or come to think of it, any one thing at all! See, I've never been too good at that whole good/bad up/down thing!) :-)

You really got me thinking...

I've felt for a long time that it's almost imperative for me NOT to hold myself aloof from the suffering of the world but to allow it in - to participate in it because it's part of the nature of life. I think about it as trying to bring some more consciousness to the suffering in this world. And by the world I mean all of Nature - humanity too.

I think, in a way, that's part of what humans are meant to do - if you can talk about it that way. We're animals who can choose to bring a certain conscious "understanding" to the suffering the world shares in. If we know or believe there's really only one being experiencing all this at the core, then it becomes a matter of intention - a willingness not to turn our back on the reality; not to recoil from it, cultivate a supreme detachment from it, or be afraid of getting dirty from it all -- because we most certainly will, and that's the point!

I like how you put it in your post - about the chicken spirits appreciating that we know and acknowledge the suffering. From that one viewpoint it might be the chicken spirits who have something to teach us about suffering and exploitation. The way I see it, we're all in this mystery together. And maybe there's something important about feeling and knowing that by "staying with" the suffering. Maybe compassion is one of the heart-powers than can invisibly dissolve the suffering of others and naturally raise the consciousness up. If that were true, then we would all need a bit more of it to take life to another level.

Hey! Blackie's a hero. You're lucky to know him. Say hello for me!
:hi:

Thanks for some great posts!
J

[undergroundpanther]

27. Thanks

You rock J. And I suspect the chickens hear your heart speaking loud and clear, and feel your tenderness just I I do...Thanks..Really..

[DemExpat]

18. I do think that the way in which our civilization raises and kills animals

for food affects our civilization, IHAD...

My thoughts on some of your post:

I could no longer live with myself for eating meat. For 5 years prior to becoming a complete vegetarian, I ate seafood. However, it got more and more difficult for me until I got to the point where I could no longer even eat seafood because I would think of all of the lives that I was taking when I ate things like shrimp; a single meal took dozens of lives.

I do - call it species 'racism' or whatever - have more affinity and can identify more with mammals and birds, so I care most about their suffering - also because the scale of their suffering is so great with factory raising of animals and poultry. I do eat some meat and poultry each week, but take care to buy only free-range raised creatures, and those who have had no long transport to the slaughterhouse. I also avoid farmed fish if possible.
I can't begin to feel the suffering of bacteria, and do recognise that living here on earth will guarantee that other creatures and plants will die, or suffer, for my existance.
This doesn't even get into the issues of third world peoples' suffering because of our rich consumerist habits and preferences - also of eating meats IMO - or of effects on the world and its peoples/life forms of driving my car every day.......

I am currently reading some information by the Ascended Masters. It says that people should not eat meat because "The animal has an emotional body, and the vibration of fear recorded previous to and at the moment of death qualifies the flesh, and that quality is absorbed by the emotional body of the human being who eats it.


I first heard about this contamination by ingesting the fear vibrations of animals after being transported/slaughtered "inhumanely" in Microbiotic studies, and can imagine it having some effect - as I have great interest in other vibrational issues like Homeopathy, Bach remedies, other vibrational medicine practices, etc.

Besides then, if one avoids the possible vibrational contamination, (not to mention medicine/anti-biotic residues in meats, possible contaminents in their diets, etc.) then one has only one's own fears to clear and can perhaps better act/take assertive action in the world against perceived injustices. IMHO. Although simplified.....

:hi:

DemEx

[I Have A Dream]

20. I agree with you in reference to everything that you said, DemEx.

I initially stopped eating all meat except for seafood. It was 4-5 years later that I decided to become a total vegetarian, which I've been doing for the last 4 years or so. Whether it should be the case or not, I didn't feel comfortable eating animals with intelligence. Then, at a certain point, I just didn't feel right about eating any meat.

I'm not at all concerned about the bacteria that I kill or the grass that I hurt by stepping on it. To me, it's all about intent. I can't help but impact the world by my mere presence in it. I just want to be true to what my higher self directs me to do, which, in this case, was to not eat meat. I've not been directed to be concerned about bacteria, eating plants, etc. (Good thing, because I couldn't do anything anyway!) If a wasp's going to sting me, I would feel no qualms about killing it if that was the only way that I could stop it from stinging me. (I'm very allergic.) If a rapist is standing over my bed, I'd have no qualms about doing whatever I had to do to protect myself.

I didn't become a vegetarian because I didn't want the fear vibrations in my body. I mentioned it only because it is relevant, and I very recently read it. It wasn't for health or 3rd world impact reasons either. However, these things are defiinitely additional benefits from not eating meat. If I did eat meat, I'd do the same things that you do.

Thanks for discussing this with me, DemEx. :hi:

[rumpel]

7. Thank you for sharing your dreams and visions from Blackie.

I am touched by the friendship you still share.

I, too had a very hard time eating meat when I was a child. As I was growing up, my parents finally allowed me to make my own choices, and it was at a time, when the media started reporting the possible negative health effects, too.
Until I was in my early 20's I was in fact a vegetarian.
I once had to translate for a politician who was touring meat processing plants and I told him, I am not going in there. I will not further describe it but I will never forget it.
Nowadays, I do eat meat, and I think I have at some point convinced myself to understand that they did die for me, and I have to respect that and thankfully accept their offer, too. But I sure would like to believe the animal had a content life.
So I clearly understand your point.

It is also very different when a small local farm or butcher supplies the meat as when large conglomerates take over, and is for ever increasing "production". Just like everything else in our current society, we have lost our heart. The large business leaders' only concern is the bottom line, they neither care about their own workers or "product", nor do they care about the consumers. I don't think the workers at the meat producers enjoy it, but they will work. The mentality on top is maybe not much different from when you look at how the banks treat you these days. They are handling our money, we entrust them with, and they treat you as if you had just stolen their money. Be thankful they are letting me bank with them. Something is not right.
Just like the worker tending the chicken, is expected to be thankful to be given a job, instead of being thanked for doing the dirty job for their boss.

It is as if we are conditioned to not feel anymore, we act as if we are entitled to everything and convenience is a given. In the process we do not think about all the feelings, circumstances, pain, hardship, happiness and joy of others, including animals and the planet itself. ( we also read now, it reverberates into the cosmos )

Luckily many people, who are consumers, do feel, and the more we see organic farming and stores with a good philosophy the more chances we have of spreading the word.

Thank you Blackie, for reminding us, it is ok to feel.

[brokensymmetry]

8. Thank you.

Interesting post about Blackie, and some good points about factory farms.

I really like your cat with wings!

[Grateful for Hope]

9. Thank you for sharing this story with us

I read a series of books many years ago (am wracking my brain, but at the moment, can't remember titles/author), and, I remember a section in the first book of the series that addressed the issue of animals and dominion. It was emphasized that dominion means "care-taking" and not "control over", and that, if humans continued to abuse animals here on earth, animals would begin to retaliate in anger. Not long after reading that book, I first heard about mad cow disease.

Not sure if you have seen this or not, but this was posted in the pet's group. It is a video about the friendship between a cat and a chicken.

I thought you might enjoy it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=243x16037

[Grateful for Hope]

10. Addendum

The series of books is the 8-book DeRohan series. The first book is "The Right Use of Will". I no longer have them, but, since I have thought of them, I think it is time I purchased them again. I remember that I was struck with how much truth I felt when I read them.

[japple]

12. Thank you, panther for sharing Blackie's story with us. I melted

over the image of you, Blackie and the cat snuggling in the coop with the rabbits, doves. What a sweet scene.

I've read quite a bit about telepathic communication with animals. Most of the animals that we eat have willingly lent their bodies to be eaten. They are trying to help humans to realize the inhumanity of factory farming. Even the poor (mostly Hispanic) people who work in the chicken and meat industry are being exploited. A lot of them were recruited and brought into this country illegally by the meat industry because they will accept low wages. If they are caught, THEY pay the price, not the meat industry. They are disposable people, just like the migrant workers and countless other "illegal immigrants." We are killing off most of the life forms on this planet in the name of the New World Order, with pesticides, chemicals, bombs and other toxins.
I really do think bird-flu was created in a laboratory, just like SARS and AIDS.

We need to pay attention to what the animals are trying to teach us.

Thanks for your very thoughful and prophetic post, undergroundpanther. I, too, love your catterflys.

[undergroundpanther]

17. I don't think the chickens willingly let themselves be eaten

If you take that notion to it's logical extreme it means abuse victims and murder victims chose to be murdered or abused.

No I think the reasons chickens are eaten is this evil world has forced them into the body of a prey animal and predators are forced to eat prey animals because materiality is sick perverse and flawed..
And no creature willingly submits to predators,
But the flesh that houses the ier spirits forces the issue, it is an evil reality that puts them in a position of being prey. The chickens like humans are spirit beings,all victims trapped in an evil reality that forces the living to kill to live. It's not the chickens fault. It is because the material world is evil.

[DemExpat]

19. My Buddhist training in meditation and studies

(intensely for 3 years - not anymore) taught me the concept that reality is not evil or good - it just "is".


I experience too much beauty, joy and love (along with my sufferings and alienations) to feel that reality, or materiality here on earth is all evil.

Seeing it as such offers little space for positive experience or action and can only lead to totally giving up on life IMHO. I know, because I often have felt this way.

Your truly wonderful story of Blackie proves to me that you believe in the exact opposite of this statement above. The material reality of Blackie was beautiful, gorgeous, his spirit pure and lovely.

Or, as in Macrobiotic and other eastern thought - Yin and Yang exist in constant agitation, harmony and changeability, which I see displayed in all aspects of life here on earth.


DemEx

[undergroundpanther]

21. I disagree

DemExpat,You are a cool person,but I think this world is unspeakably evil.Efvil does not have to look ugly to be evil. In fact often evil is charismatic and attractive and can mimic beauty or good very well. The maker of this world is evil. And I hate this world and the evil gods of this world.They will only get my hate.

I guess we are of two different worlds than.

I have said here and elswhere I am not from this world this suffering cesspool. This world when it looks beautiful is mimicing a faint reflection of what is beyond that is is jealous of and enamored of and unworthy of.Beauty without trauma,joy winthout misery,life without sickness and death,no limits or fetters,no kings or rulers required, no bowing down or serving,no sacrifices,that existance I speak of is from a realm beyond not touched by the likes of this world.
It transcends it so much it is not even of this world.

That is my home. This is why I do not tolerate evil or remain "neutral" about it here.I don't call evil good or "tolerate it" or rationalize it's aexisdtance as a nessary evil or some kind of balancing act and I do not blame myself. . In my real home there is none of the travails, traunmas, games and bullshit like there is here,because my home is not the prison of Earth.Evolution is bloody,life is born in pain,everything here suffers and dies,terrible vunerability,abuse,rulers,this world is prison. And in prison there can be"good times" joking with fellow inmates,the food might taste good(like in alcatraz)..that does not make the prison itself good or worthy of 'worship'...understand?
Pretty sunsets flowers and such does not erase the fact this world is corrupted at it's core suffering and dying.

Death is my chance to go home.I look forward to it.What is a body but a flashbag that will get hurt get sick and old and die. I am thankful for death.I am glad I will not live in this shithole pretty flowers notwithstanding forever.

I am thankful my spirit is going to be yanked from this rotting carcass sometime.Let the evil creator have his flesh body prison,It is not mine,it never was.And when this flesh is dead I can go...home!!

Soon the world will die too,the evidence is clear,if you look at it without fear putting on blinders, ,the forests are being destroyed, species are going extinct, all the pollution,the global warming,the sun changing,the weather,crazy leaders itching to nuke each other..This is a good thing IMHO. That which is of the realm not of this world will go home eventually and the rest of this shit trapping spirits here will dissolve away when the breath of life escapes the flesh for a final time ,and it will happen for this earth too,it will cease to be trapped in matter and the spirit of the earth can go home and the dungeon will dissolve forever,the end of duality..Give it time there will be more stories of other gnostics in the past who know this is true,too being circulated and people of othodoxy and the lovers of thier flesh prison ,and authorites will hate it and call it blasphemy. Like they always do.

http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/about_coptic_text.html

[DemExpat]

23. It's funny, but what you express in much of your writings

is proof to me - more manifestation - of the power of love and beauty, its strength to transcend all of the excruciating suffering and injustice.

I feel a bond with some of your powerful expressions, so different worlds we are not, IMHO.

DemEx

[undergroundpanther]

26. I dunno ...

I am a dualist,IO am gnostic,I am a malthiest,I find most belief systems to be full of mindgames, manipulation and traps.
I don't think there is such a thing as"karma"I call this reality the material world pure evil.I also hate the creator of this materiality.
I am an unapologetic dualist. I seperate spirit from the world. I seperate good from evil also.I do not see these two principles as the same stuff or from the same source.Materiality dies, Spirit does not.

There are two sources .I see one is evil and it made the material world and keeps all the bullshit going on that we deal with here. The other source is an unnameable transcendant UNMATERIAL mystery beyond any concept of god we might imagine. This source of spirit has no need for our worship,has no use for us to think happy thoughts or purify ourselves,no need for dogmas or laws,or sacrfice or for us to obey commandments or repent of sins.That unfathomable mystery is the source of spirit.It has NOTHING to do with the acts of the idiot god that created this world or it's sin. Materiality is a painful prison to spirit,and death liberates spirit from life,psyche and material bondage. Reincarnation is a trap or a lie. Earth is a big Jail that fetters spirit because evil cannot sustain itself without parasiting off of spirit basically. Also I do not think all beings come from the same source.I think some beings have NO spirit in them, a being of this world. Others carry a spark. And sometimes you cannot tell which is which.

If you too have lost your love or enchantment with the material world and figure it will do what it does regardless and realize you cannot 'save it'and truly you understand it and you and me,everything will die ,and you see this death as liberation,you might be closer to my perspective.

[Helga Scow Stern]

13. We too have a miracle chicken...

We found a wounded chicken by the side of the road, all bloody and almost dead. We took it home and for 11 days it had nothing but drops of broth. Then it raised its head and stood up and has been well ever since. It is smart and cute.

Your experiences with Blackie confirm what I have felt about this chicken. I too have felt the necessity to heal the chicken-human bridge. These animals have been at the low end of the abuse totem pole for far too long.

[Cleita]

14. I don't eat chicken anymore.

This is what I can do to stop the abuse. I get my eggs from local chicken ranchers that I know don't crowd the chickens into pens.

[I Have A Dream]

16. I wish that I could find a place like that for eggs.

I'm going to look around locally.

[linazelle]

15. "It would be interesting to see if Bird Flu is bio-engineered."

I am convinced that bird flu is a direct byproduct of factory farming--not so much an intentional bioengineered result.

Very touching and :scared: thread.

[cliss]

22. Thank you for sharing with us, UP.

That was such a sweet story. Yes, we can't help it. We fall in love with our animals. What would we do without them? I have some pets that I've owned in my lifetime. I miss them all.

We don't eat poultry any more. We became vegetarians because of the deplorable conditions they live in.

[peacebuzzard]

24. wonderful story. Last thing I read b4 going to sleep.

and first thing this morning I am remembering it and just had to post this thought:
I, too, have pet chickens and yes, they are amazing. When I first got my little "rescue chickens" from the local flea market, I quit eating poultry. This was four years ago.
They are so responsive to outside stimuli. Just like all animals, including us, they feel cold, they form bonds, they have fear, pleasure, and communicate in their own ways.
Must run to work now, but I am going to cross post this in the Vegan, Vegetarian and Animal Rights Forum for my friends there.
Thank you for the fantastic bedtime story.

[Metta]

28. Great stuff. Much wisdom.

Thank you.