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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:22 AM
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So, this alleged Iran situation. Anyone have any (psychic) thoughts?
I feel so isolated--I don't feel anything. At least, not the kind of thing that indicates an attack on Iran. Does that make my naive? Psychically challenged? Not trying hard enough?

I've done some Tarot spreads about the near future, generally--nothing to indicate war. But then, what would I know? I've never been in a war. All I can post is that I've been seeing a lot of upright Emperor cards, though that's something I've been chocking up to some imperial influences in my own world. Anyone else want to share any impressions they may be having?
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:43 PM
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1. I believe we are OK. I think all this is just talk, trying to scare us.
Earlier today I got the feeling that Bush is making deals, and using Iran and the threat of war to broker the deals.
He and Cheney will be leaving soon, I also feel that.
I'm almost afraid to hope that I'm right, though. It doesn't seem logical that they would be gone so soon.

But that is what I'm feeling.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:29 PM
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2. Wag the Dog
With things going so poorly in Iraq and here, the administration needs to "win a war." Even if it is a "war of words!" Despite Iran having a bat-shit crazy president, not unlike ours, they are in no mood for war. They are dealing with their own internal dissent and any action could leave to civil war in their nation. Basically all the rhetoric boils down to is "look over here! pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

What I have sensed is a massive change in direction in our country. Something big is about to break. I do feel their will be another series of terrorist attacks on our ground. However, the backlash will be against the US, not the other way around. I also sense another major figure is about to "go spend more time with family." (Chertof?) This administration's house of cards is about to come falling down.

I have felt that by the end of this year, Bush will no longer be president. I hope it is more than wishful thinking, but I have had that impression since New Year's day.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:48 PM
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3. Nothing on Iran
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:57 PM
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4. No Psychic thoughts. My common sense however...
it tells me that it's all lights and fireworks. If anybody in this administration actually lets Bush go through with this scheme, the American public will never forgive them or the GOP, and they know it. We already have one unpopular war going on. Neither the corporations nor the political machinery has anything to gain by another one being started premptively started.

I have family in Iran, so I don't say this lightly either. But the odds of them going through with anything so foolhardy, when they're already mired in enough scandals to bring down any other administration, is pretty slim.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:23 PM
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5. I think we are headed for another crisis but not IRAN
something is going to happen while Congress is not in session, that will heighten
the pressure on TeamBush, I don't what it is, but all I am picking up is IT's coming
and IT's BIG.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:09 PM
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6. I don't get much about Iran either.
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 10:10 PM by Cleita
I think they don't dare right now. I'm not saying it won't happen in the future, but right now they are stymied. Let's hope it stays that way.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:49 AM
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7. No - I'm not getting anything.
Even though I do read a lot; lately I've been reading as many books on prophecies as I can get my hands on. It's mainly predictions throughout history. I'm trying to see if there is a commonality among them.

They most certainly do predict war. But then again, there are lots of differences among them....earthquakes, three days & three nights of darkness, red clouds of poison covering the earth, a comet hitting the earth, the earth spinning off its axis, etc etc etc.

Now the one thing I DO feel are problems with the weather. Specifically this summer. I feel that the U.S. is going to get hammered with strange weather; not just hurricanes but other strange events like flooding. Starting with this summer.

I can't claim to be psychic, but I do try to pay attention to my inner intuition. Last summer, as hurricane Katrina took dead aim at N. Orleans, I asked myself, "Will the damage be severe?" Will the town be destroyed?" I felt a very definite, "yes". But interestingly, I was expecting the town to be flattened by the hurricane. I did not expect that the town would be flooded.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 02:27 AM
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8. It's curious that you mention weather. I am very sensitive to that, too.
Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 02:30 AM by BlueIris
One thing I have never posted here is that in the months leading up to Hurricane Katrina, I had lush, recurrent, mournful fantasies about New Orleans, a place I've never been to but always wanted to visit. Throughout much of 2005, I half-heartedly planned to go there, thinking occasionally, "While I still can." Sometimes I would wonder why I was thinking that.

I'm getting a few bad feelings about a prediction that was posted in this forum a few months back, about the potential for massive earthquakes in the West, Northwest and other regions of North America in 2006. One image I've had in my mind, for no reason whatsoever, is Montana. Yeah, I know. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Based on my psychic sense only, I think there's a greater chance that a natural disaster will take place in Montana right now than of missiles being launched in Iran.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 09:37 PM
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9. Is it intuition, or is it a daydream?
For me, it's important to separate other peoples' prophecies versus my own intuition speaking to me.
But there is a difference.

Intuition comes on its own, unaided and unasked for. It has a unique, immediate impact which says, "I'm here, this is what's happening". I've had these feelings often enough to know the difference.

Now, about 6 months ago, I had one of those unmistakable experiences. I was sleeping on the living room floor. We had company, so I grabbed a sleeping bag and made myself comfortable on the carpeting.

Sometime during the night, my pillow got away from me. For some reason, I rolled off the mattress pad. I was laying with my head directly on top of the carpet. My left ear was touching the carpeting. Suddenly, I woke up. I could "hear" lava, or water, or something moving up through some kind of tunnel underground!

I was so surprised. I could actually hear or feel something moving very quickly. I was startled, didn't know what to make of it. I know that Portland sits right on top of a major earthquake fault. But it didn't feel like an earthquake. It was something moving up through a tube. It could very well have been water.

Any ideas?


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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 09:55 PM
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10. Could it be possible at night when it's very quiet
that when you put your ear close to the ground that you may be hearing the waterfalls on the Columbia river? The native Americans would put their ears to the ground to listen for the buffalo even when they were miles away.

Or maybe you are tapping into a spiritual place that has a river or stream like we were talking about on another thread about hearing chatter that could be leaking through from the spirit world. Could this flowing water be leaking from the spirit world too?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 10:44 PM
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11. Yes, it could be.
That's so interesting about the Columbia River. The native Americans were so much more in tune with their surroundings than we are. Thanks for the awesome input.

I might have to try again. One thing is for sure: I've become much more intuitive since I've been coming to this forum. It's like somebody else wrote: we become allied with the other posters on this board and start to think in unison. It's an amazing thing.

It was water, definitely! Also, I recall a low rumbling, an ominous sound. Darkness, as if I was looking straight into the earth below me.

Will try to re-visit the dream.



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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 09:40 AM
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12. Hi cliss
Edited on Wed Apr-12-06 09:42 AM by Marie26
I'm coming out of lurkdom to ask you a question. Are there any volcanos nearby? For some reason, my "intuition" seems to be pegging on volcanos or eruptions of some kind. Of course, this is probably completely wrong, but I just wanted to throw that out there.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 12:37 PM
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13. I can answer for Cliss until she sees your post and can answer
Edited on Wed Apr-12-06 12:55 PM by Cleita
for herself. The whole Cascade range through Washington and Oregon consists of volcanoes. Most of them are dormant. Mt. St. Helens is close by just over the Columbia river and Mt. Hood is visible from Portland.

Please keep tuning in and see what you get. Could it be that Mt. Hood is coming to life? Or is Mt. St. Helens trying for another eruption?

On edit: Volcanologists have been warning that Mt. Ranier near Seattle might erupt.

:scared:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:59 PM
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14. BTW I found this website about the volcanoes on the
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 08:56 PM
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15. Yes, Marie26.
Edited on Wed Apr-12-06 08:58 PM by cliss
About 56 miles away, we have Mt. St. Helens. I was just a youngster when it blew its top.

I remember standing outside the Multnomah Country library when it blew. A small crowd of people gathered on the steps, watching the spectacle. Before the mountain exploded, we used to call it the "sugartop" because it looked like a gigantic mound of sugar.

After the volcano erupted, the top half was gone. Weird.
* * * *
Cleita, thankx for answering the question. We are part of the 'Ring of Fire' here, and that makes for dangerous living.

I will keep that in mind; I'll try to re-visit the dream. I'll also check the archives in this forum to see what other people have felt about volcanoes.

Thanks.
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 08:52 PM
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18. I have these feelings about weather also,,,,
And I have been having them for quite some time. Last Friday, when it came a tornado in Gallatin, TN, about 60 miles from where I am, we had the absolute worst hailstorm I have ever seen in my 55 years of living. So I believe my intuition, and yours, is right on these feelings. Also, and this has never happened before, there was debris, specifically insulation, spread all over the farm where I grew up from that tornado, and that was a first also. There have been other tornadoes around the area over the years, and there has never been debris from them make it here, even when they were closer than Gallatin.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 05:10 PM
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16. My thoughts are on Fitzgerald for some reason....
Edited on Thu Apr-13-06 06:09 PM by cassiepriam
I believe that he has known for quite some time that Bush and Cheney lied bold face to him, and that they pulled a fast one on him. Fitz was most certain of it right after Rove's last grand jury testimony, many months ago.

And I believe that Fitz has been playing a cat and mouse game with them for months now. He is toying with someone.

We have been all hoping for a big dramatic break via Fitz, but instead he has quietly been breaking down the lies in the WH. And his efforts are causing great distress in the WH.

Also something is very off in the WH, with Rove perhaps? Sending Bush out to do public speeches strikes me as very odd. Bush is a disaster at this kind of thing, doesn't make sense from a PR standpoint.

On the Iran question, I cannot get a feel for it, the energy about it is way too volatile and crazy. BushCo is capable of doing it, and certainly would do it in a heartbeat to bolster sagging poll numbers. But the military and congress are speaking out, so perhaps things will slow down.

Edited to add: Fitz is giving the WH fits for many reasons. BushCo has always been really good at dirty tricks and then covering their tracks. They also have unlimited funds to bribe or threaten anyone into compliance. But Fitz is very smart and able to see underneath the games, and is not going to crumble under pressure. And he instead is applying a lot of pressure on the WH, there is a lot of scrambling going on. It does seem that perhaps the aspens will not be turning together this year. It may be every man for himself very soon? The important thing that I am trying to say and that I have felt very strongly is that there is a great deal of psychological damage occurring at the WH, and it may be concealed from the public, but there are many behind the scene problems as a result of Fitz's work. And we many never really know the details or the full impact. But in his quiet way Fitz has already dealt them a very strong blow.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 08:37 PM
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17. Do you think any of this has to do with 9/11?
Since there is a direct connection between the lies that got us into Iraq and 9/11, I am wondering if 9/11 is something that Fitz is also looking at.

Just asking...:D
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 08:16 AM
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19. I do not know for sure, but I will say this:
Once Fitz started investigating this group of thugs it had to be like
picking up a big rock and seeing all the creepy crawly things swarming around.
Or like untangling a big ball of yarn.

Fitz is very good at connecting the dots, has a very good internal BS radar, is very intuitive, and is following his nose like all good detectives. So I have no doubt that he has stumbling onto all kinds of crap. No doubt at all in my mind about this.

That said however, he is going to operate only within his mandate, he will not cross over any lines and he will not go beyond his immediate job at hand as set down in the law. He absolutely is not going to be Ken Starr on a giant fishing expedition. Fitz is fishing in a very specific spot for specific fish.

However it is not beyond Fitz to play a little poker and chess with these crooks. He may have info he knows he can never use due to his restricted legal mandate, but I would assume he will use whatever he has to put pressure on certain people. And in fact that may be a part of the giant cat and mouse game he is playing right now. The last filing was a very big move of a chess piece.

The piece I have felt strongly for quite some time, is that Fitz has already damaged these crooks quite a bit, all behind the scenes and quietly. There may never be any big fan fare, but the crooks have been crippled significantly.
But the crooks are geniuses at recovery so they may be OK, but they have been damaged quite a bit. Time will tell.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 01:00 PM
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22. Yes, I agree that Fitz does need to operate within his mandate
and, from a gut-level, I think you assessment of what has happened to "those crooks" is spot on.

Thanks, Cassiepriam.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 01:27 PM
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23. More on Fitz
Sometime back I did an analysis of Fitz’s natal chart. It was clear that to be successful he must not listen to others who are pressuring him, while at the same time follow the rules to a tee. In past lives he has listened too much to others to his detriment. In this life he must operate from an internal source of wisdom and power.

On the outside he is a bureaucrat, born to gov't service. He must do everything perfectly according to the rules, he must not deviate or he will fail.

Underneath Fitz has the soul of a poet and mystic, he is most likely quite psychic. I would imagine that crooks can never figure out how the heck Fitz manages to stay one step ahead of them. What they do not know is that he is very intuitive. His natal chart is loaded with markers of his psychic gifts. Moon in Pisces, Neptune aspects to both Venus and the Moon, and Pluto/Moon aspects. And then of course that big water Grand Trine.

But in this life he must be careful with his gifts, he has misused them in past lives, and in this life he must use the gifts in a way that serves humanity, and is done in the context of rational thought and practice.

So far he is working his chart perfectly, burning off much old karma. I pray that he stays safe, he is of course in much danger everyday.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 01:59 PM
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25. I have no doubt that he is in great danger
and, I, too, pray that he stays safe.

He strikes me as such a "good" man -- full of integrity and higher purpose.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 04:24 PM
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29. Yes that it how he seems
At least that is what he wanted to do in this life, he wanted to be of service in this life
and do things the right way. I hope he can stay strong and safe, to fulfill his purpose and soul intent.

BushCo usually tries to seduce an opponent with money, or some sort of sweetheart deal. With Fitz, money would not have worked, so they may have tried to offer him something like a high court position, something hard to turn down.

When seducing an opponent doesn't work, they ruin a person's career or reputation. Their character assassinations are particularly vicious as in the case of all the Democrats they have slimed. Their reputations are still in taters as is the whole Dem party.

Slander is a hard thing to defend against, and the images linger in the public's mind for a long time. The Repugs just make up bold lies, like they did with Kerry or Gore, or they set people up like they did to Dan Rather.

I keep holding Fitz in a protective bubble that he stays safe to do the work he is supposed to do.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 04:02 PM
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28. Remember that Fitz knew all about terrorism and Al-Qaeda
long before he ever heard of Valerie Plame:

At the time, Patrick Fitzgerald was trying suspects in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He thought the call from a senatorial aide was a practical joke by one of his buddies. But as soon as their interview was over, the senator knew he had his man.

"I thought, 'He is the original Untouchable,' " Peter Fitzgerald says. "You could just see it in his eyes that he was a straight shooter. There were no levers that anyone had over him. He had no desire to become a partner in a private law firm. He has no interest in electoral politics. He wanted to be a prosecutor."

The staff of the 9/11 commission called him one of the world's best terrorism prosecutors. He convicted Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and all four defendants in the embassy bombings, which had left 224 people dead. He extracted a guilty plea from Mafia capo John Gambino and became an authority on bin Laden, whom he indicted in 1998 for a global terrorist conspiracy that included the African bombings.

"His thoroughness, his relentlessness, his work ethic are legendary," says terrorism expert Daniel Benjamin, a former member of the National Security Council.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A55560-2005Feb1?language=printer

There have been a lot of threads here about how the Plame leak is just a tiny piece of the big picture. If anyone can sort it all out, I think Fitz is the one.

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 06:21 PM
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32. I just hope he can do something with this piece. nt
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 09:47 AM
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20. bush speaking without a script and in front of unscreened audiences
Also something is very off in the WH, with Rove perhaps? Sending Bush out to do public speeches strikes me as very odd. Bush is a disaster at this kind of thing, doesn't make sense from a PR standpoint.

Yes, this is very, very odd. There is nothing to be gained from letting bush speak unscripted. I have many clips of him from the past week or two and I use them with my classes for nonverbal language interpretation.

This would be either a Rove or Karen Hughes decision. I can't imagine either one of them making such a recommendation.

Some day the pieces will fit together, but for now, this piece is like it's from another jigsaw puzzle.





Cher


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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 12:27 PM
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21. Yes an interesting puzzle piece.
Several possible explanations:

1. Rove is distracted because Fitz has him on the run?

2. To save his own neck, Rove is deliberately throwing Bush under the train?

3. Cheney setting up Bush to take the fall?

4. A WH totally disorganized and leaving Bush to his own devices?

5. A WH which figures they have nothing to lose now that the polls are so low
and they actually think Bush can charm his way out of this mess?

It is important to understand Bush's history. In all his past ventures he was only the star power, the name. And he had a boyish charm many found appealing, and rode on his Daddy's coat tails. He was always the company mascot, a cheerleader of sorts, while the con artists stole the company blind. Perhaps they are falling back on old patterns, it has always worked before. Even during the debates no one seemed to care that Bush was a total embarrassment.

Also NJ Cher what do you make of Bush's non verbals as of late? If find his affect and mannerisms very odd. What do you and your students think?

I would also like to make a process comment about psychic gifts and talents, and NJ's comments about puzzle pieces. Often times my intuitive leaps are something I have to work at. Often a complex problem will feel life a gigantic box of puzzle pieces that heave been dumped on the floor. It is then my job to put it all together in a way that makes sense. Often some pieces of the puzzle nag and nag at me. I dream about them, I cannot get them out of my mind. I then know that those are important pieces and finally it will come to me what it might mean. This is a skill I use every day at work, and it is pretty amazing many times. It is the skill that has helped me with astrology as well.

So it works in several ways for me. I get deep down strong feelings as well as pictures in my head. And dots that need to be connected. Puzzle pieces that have to fit together in a coherent way.

I think some people just get the answers handed to them, I have to work at it a bit, and get it all sorted out, again left and right brain working together.



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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 01:47 PM
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24. I'll take 3A for $500, Alex ....
... I think it's sorta Cheney setting Chimpy up, but rather than being to save his own arse, it's at the behest of they-who-operate-behind-closed-doors who are actually truly in control of the corporations' - errr, uuhhh - American agenda. I think they've run out of patience with and uses for their toy Chimp and are ready to cut him a severence check and move on.

After all, he never really was more than a spokesmodel for the Military Industrial Corporate Machine ...


:hi:
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Angel Wings Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 02:08 PM
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26. hmmm...if this is true then that would mean that they must have
someone they're readying to take his place...hmmm
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 03:42 PM
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27. Not necessarily ...
... they'll let him twist in the wind for the rest of his term, or perhaps let Dick have his day in the Oval Office.

But the long term picture is that they've had 8 years to loot the Clinton Surplus, get favorable corporate (and high incomer) tax legislation, push through pro-big pharma legislation, roll back environmental protections, divert tons and tons of federal dollars meant for the real military to their no-bid contractor buddies, and essentially change the rules to suit their cronies and pad their own pockets.

What they'll need now is an Administration ready and willing to roll up America's sleeves and start back where Clinton/Gore started in 1992; making the hard choices to confront the deficit, rebuild the national infrastructure, jobs, worker confidence, etc etc ... so that there's eventually another full cookie jar for them to loot somewhere down the road.

They're smart enough to know that they can only push the economy & the working classes just so close to the brink before even the wealthy are at risk of falling off the edge.


:hi:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 04:37 PM
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31. Yes, I agree, the piggy bank is empty, turn it over to the Dems again.
It is no fun robbing and looting when the store is empty.
The pattern for the Repugs is to steal until the pot is empty then
walk away and let someone else clean up the mess.

That is always the pattern of the oil mafia as I call them. I have watched them do this for over 20 years. And it is very smart on their part. They have always taken over a company, robbed it blind, destroyed it, then walked away and let someone else hold the bag and clean up the mess. They laugh all the way to the bank and let some junior flunky take the rap.

None of the top dogs really care at all about what is happening, they will all be vastly wealthy and have no consequences for their actions.
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Angel Wings Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:00 AM
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34. But, what about world domination?
Seems like they'd want to keep that dream alive...since they look as though they think it may be finally within their reach.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 05:45 AM
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35. You have a good point, that is what seduced them into Iraq.
They had cleared out the US Treasury and were going to hit the mideast oil wells. It was a brilliant plan, diabolical, but brilliant. They may still pull it off, I don't count them out quite yet.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 07:35 AM
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36. They're pretty much there already ...
... when you think of multi-national corporations who, at their head, are run by just a small group of good ole' boys ... they don't need soliders marching over the borders to take over a country/region. They can rule the world from their comfy board rooms.

Destabilizing a current government (in any country) with a few well placed 'terra' attacks and 'citizens groups' can lead to either
a/ a new gov't in place (whether by bogus elections or the chosen candidates flat out lying to the voters about their 'allegiances') or
b/mass confusion & lawlessness like we currently have in Iraq and Israel/Palestine.

Either of those circumstances set the stage for looting of various national piggy banks, abuse of resources and a massive redirection of public policy to allow multi-nationals to move in, tax free, no oversight of any kind, but the unchecked ability to do as they please with no 'social contract' obligations ... just look at Halliburton in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The 'wars' to 'take over' power or 'liberate' any given country are really just a dog-and-pony show, IMO - because it keeps the public focused on what they can see and what they think is a tangible 'enemy' (and also allows an almost free flow of treasury money diverted from infrastructure programs into the military machine under the guise of 'protecting our soldiers') while the real overthrowing and undermining go on over martinis and cigars in some posh suite somewhere.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 04:22 PM
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37. OK, I get it now. Bush & Cheney leave the US and take over
the rest of the world, still plenty of countries to loot and pillage, oil fields to steal. And they do it without firing a shot. With a good chunk of the $8 Trillion looted from the American Treasury they can do whatever they please.

Now I know why they are building the largest embassy in the world in Baghdad,
let's just call it the Bush Palace.

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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 07:19 PM
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33. I think this could be true
and, I am counting on the American public not to "buy" another candidate that the media tries to sell us.

I am maintaining hope.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 04:26 PM
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30. I thought of that, Bush being given a pink slip by the real power
behind the scenes. He was always only a cheer leader and lately his pom poms are drooping :(
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