Masaru Emoto: Messages from Water

[Shine]

http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm

Are any of you familiar with this man? He's done some amazing research with water and his work was featured in the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know?"

I find it fascinating to consider how water reflects our consciousness.

He's speaking here in town tomorrow night, as a matter of fact. I'm not sure if we'll be able to get tix, at this late point. It will undoubtedly sell out, this being Santa Cruz, where people are pretty open to this sort of thing.

:hi:

[Sanity Claws]

1. Interesting

I didn't see the movie or read his book but checked out the web page. The photos are amazing. Has anyone else documented this type of thing? Just want to make sure my leg is not being pulled.

[Shine]

2. I know, it's incredible, isn't it?

to think about how our very thoughts, our consciousness, can effect the quality of water....

and to carry that forward to think about the fact that OUR BODIES are what, 70% water? Hmmm.....

interesting, indeed.

:hi:

an aside: I just now finished taking a shower, where I consciously invoked DEEP GRATITUDE for the hot, hot water....ahhhhh.....AND I decided, once and for all, that I'm definitely going to hear him speak tomorrow nite. I'm buying tix today. It's settled. :)

I often have little epiphanies while in the shower. :D

[Cleita]

4. I heard that spirits are better able to manifest themselves where

there is water. It could be that when you are in the shower that your spirit guides are better able to communicate with you. I find that just being in the bathroom gives me some startling insights that I believe are passed on to me from the spirit world. It could be a combination of water and being shut off outside distractions that makes the bathroom a really unusual spiritual place.:-)

[Shine]

6. In the interview that I posted in the link above, he speaks of

water crystals actually being spirits that haven't returned "home" yet.

Hmmm...not too sure what I think about that, but it's interesting, nonetheless....and it seems to fit with what you are saying, as well.

trippy.

:hi:

[rumpel]

17. Funny you say that..

I also send my grateful thoughts in the shower, and while soaking in the bathtub, I quite often either try to meditate or communicate..

:)

[Delphinus]

21. So,

did you get to go? How was it? Anything to share?

[Duer 157099]

3. I've read his book and here's what I think:

The concept would be really cool, and I would love to see it proven. So, I have no objection to the theory.

My question is in how the data were gathered. This type of study is soo prone to "experimenter bias" and I'm not convinced that it was conducted so as to minimize this bias. I know that the photos were chosen because they were "typical" or "representative" of a group, but even that is fairly subjective.

I'd have no problem being convinced if the data were there though.

[Shine]

5. It IS fascinating to consider, even theoretically, isn't it?

I'm not as much hooked into the science end of it, personally. If it can be "proven true", that's fine by me, but I still find the general idea of it "really cool", indeed.

IMO, there's a lot that's "true" in our world that cannot be "proven" scientifically.

In other words, there is a Mystery we are called to embrace...that cannot always be explained.

:hi:

[Duer 157099]

7. I agree, in general

However, I also think that this is something that *might* be able to be proven. I think we (as a society) have issues with merging science and the paranormal/metaphysics, and I really would like to see that hurdle removed or at least minimized.

Part of the reasons are that instrumentation isn't always designed to be able to detect that which we are investigating, and so new apparatus must be designed, but the design has to take into account that which it is being designed to measure, but if we don't know how to measure it (because we don't know what *it* is) ... and on and on.

As more scientists come to question how the world works (in a non-Newtonian way; and remember that quantum physics is a relatively new science, and even though some of it is *accepted* formally, there are implications that are still not considered seriously by scientists) I think we will see more tools evolve to measure things that we now consider to be in the realm of "pseudoscience" or metaphysics, or whatever one wants to label it.

I disagree with the oft-held premise that science and "religion/spirituality/paranormal/metaphysics" can't be reconciled. It's just a matter of time. And I don't think it trivializes or minimizes the mystery involved if it were explained (take DNA for example).

One of my favorite all time quotes is from Niels Bohr, and it goes something like: "If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet." I think that will hold true also for future developments in science, about things that are now regarded as pseudoscience.

But... going back to water... I think the water molecule will be shown to be one of the most fascinating and mysterious substances, all the moreso because of how much we take it for granted and how simple and elegant it is.

And consider what homeopathy is saying (I neither accept nor reject homeopathy -- I'm undecided) about water, and about water having a memory. Wow.

Can you imagine applying for a federal grant to study water? lol and I don't mean like how to purify it or move it around -- nope, that research won't be funded for quite a while yet

[Shine]

12. Yup, I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

esp. the part about science and spirituality being reconciled...I think in our society, being able to explain things in scientific terms is what gives things more meaning to people. But as consciousness evolves, tools evolve, as well.

Which comes first? The tools evolving? or the consciousness? hmmm...interesting.

And yes, the work on water is truly fascinating to consider.

[cassiepriam]

8. Quantum physicists are studying matter at the smallest

levels, and they are seeing all kinds of unusual behavior.
For example some times particles seem to occupy two spaces at one time.
And when a particle is being observed it acts differently then when it is not.

So they are beginning to understand that everything is made up of energy and somehow
energy influences other energy.

[Shine]

9. Exactly.

fascinating stuff, indeed.

:hi: cassiepriam!

[Duer 157099]

10. Remind me how they know this?

And when a particle is being observed it acts differently then when it is not.

I know this is true, but I can't recall the exact experiment that proves this. It just sounds completely impossible to say how something behaves when it's not being observed (how do they know???)

[cassiepriam]

11. I think it is the famous 2 slit paradox, and wave-particle duality

And Bohr's work, called the The Copenhagen Interpretation.

I do not pretend to understand quantum physics, when I read it my head spins!

They take lasers and send beams of light into chambers, and they can observe how they act as they go thru into a chamber. And the results differ in surprising ways, they cannot figure it out. And they have a way of making a theoretical model of how it would act if no one was observing it. They have reduced matter down to something called quarks which do not follow the Newtonian laws of physics.


FYI Info on the The Copenhagen Interpretation:

"So sometimes a particle acts like a particle and other times it acts like a wave. So which is it? According to Niels Bohr, who worked in Copenhagen when he presented what is now known as the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory, the particle is what you measure it to be. When it looks like a particle, it is a particle. When it looks like a wave, it is a wave. Furthermore, it is meaningless to ascribe any properties or even existence to anything that has not been measured21. Bohr is basically saying that nothing is real unless it is observed."

[Duer 157099]

13. Yeah, I know the general stuff

It's the exact specific part of the experiment that proves the observer effect. It seems when I read about it, it makes sense; but when I try to explain it to someone, I can't.

One of the best descriptions of the wave-particle duality I've read about talks about the collapse of the wave function (can't recall which book it was from). So, the wave function respresents the "possibilities" and when the wave is observed, it collapses into reality, and as a measurable particle (or something like that! lol) See? I told you I can't explain it :-)

That's part of the allure of quantum physics I guess

[cassiepriam]

14. I agree is it very hard to follow these folks....

Much of it is highly theoretical, and gets way too sophisticated for most of us.

I didn’t think there was one piece of the experiment that proved the observer effect; I thought it was all of it together. The fact that matter can be either a wave or a particle depending upon the specific external stimuli. They then developed highly theoretical models about tendencies and possibilities. But like you say, I think I get it and then it slips away!

Have you seen this cute clip, tries to explain
The 2 slit paradox.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4237751840526284618

One of my favortie quotes is from American physicist, Barbara Brennan, she states in her book 'The Hands of Light':

"Through experiments over the past few decades physicists have discovered matter to be completely mutable into other particles or energy and vice-versa and on a subatomic level, matter does not exist with certainty in definite places, but rather shows 'tendencies' to exist. Quantum physics is beginning to realize that the Universe appears to be a dynamic web of interconnected and inseparable energy patterns. If the universe is indeed composed of such a web, there is logically no such thing as a part. This implies we are not separated parts of a whole but rather we are the Whole."

[Duer 157099]

15. I guess it is the "interference pattern" that suggests

the wave property, and that this is what is considered "unmeasured" (?) And when the photon hits the screen it is "observed". Oh I think it's sort of coming back to me now.

So, the photon hitting the screen is the observed effect (particle); the interference pattern is the unobserved effect (wave)

Maybe. lol

[cassiepriam]

16. Yes, I think it has something to do with that wave pattern...

the is the piece that surprised everyone. They did not expect it to do that, and yes that makes sense that it would be the unobserved piece.

By George you've got it! (I think, what do I know?)

[Delphinus]

20. Fascinating!!!!! n/t

[rumpel]

18. I recently read about watering plants..if I only could remember where.

It said that it made a significant difference in the health of the plant, when someone with "good intentions or love" watered the plant.
I was thinking whether the "green thumb" terminology was in fact a true phenomenon. It also said the water was changing with the vibrations from the person giving water to the plant.

[Shine]

19. Exactly. that's what Emoto is saying as well.

the vibrations and resonance of the water is effected by prayer, intention, uplifing words, postive energy, etc....

:hi:

[KAT119]

22. All of my water bottles, coffee pots have hearts taped on them

with words of gratitude and love facing inside the bottle as though the water is reading it. Everything in the universe harmonizes on the subtlest levels with thoughts of thanks & love in our holographic universe-affecting the whole-like a Calder mobile. Masaru came to my AZ. town & all tickets sold out fast-2 yrs. ago. He speaks through an interpreter, usually.

[Shine]

23. It wasn't quite sold out, but he definitely filled the place.

It was an interesting talk, with lots and lots of beautiful water crystal pix. :D

:hi: