To all of the of pure direct Psychic Intuitives, (clairaudients

[Ecumenist]

clairsentients and clairvoyants) and Mediums of all sorts including but no limited to, the Dreamers( prophetic dreamers), All of the diviners, (rune readers,tarot, crystal), all of the divinatory scientists,(qabbalists, Numerologists, astrologists- Chinese astrology, Western oriented astrology, Vedic astrologists), let us all come together at this time to see what we intuit, see and feel what is in the future for this our country, our globe and the race of Man as it applies to what the maniacs who've stolen our country and all maniacs elsewhere seem intent to unleash on the world.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

If prayer can save a life when there was absolutely NO HOPE OF RECOVERY,( and many of us have see this happen first hand), this is something that can be prevented, IF WE WORK TOGETHER AND BELIEVE!

Please post what is communicated to you in a VERY truthful fashion, unvarnished or sugar coated. Let us see, using the gifts that God has given us, to "peer" forward and see what comes up. I humbly ask that the Scientists among us, (Astrologists, Numerologists, Qabbalists etc), help those of us who are conduits line the timing up and once we are as agreed, (as much as possible), to what we see, let us formulate a plan of action that includes prayer, whatever rituals for healing that exist among us and sending industrial strength positivity, ( if that is even a word), on an ongoing basis, taking turns to going around the clock to stop this madness and straighten out this path to complete global destruction. I just feel that if there ever was a time for this, now is the time

There is a reason that this forum was created and has served to group and concentrate us here. Now is the time to ask for healing and use all of the gifts with which we have been so richly blessed to help stop this train wreck. :grouphug:

[stellanoir]

1. So glad you're now using paragraphs.

Makes for a much easier read.

I've been writing incessantly for 6 months about "19 tricks or Weapons of Massive Reintegration for Global Amelioration." They can help us all (she said sheepishly.)

Then I had a computer melt down. So go figure.

I'll still forward the info to anyone who wants it.

best

[Ecumenist]

2. If you can... Please post it for those of us who haven't see it

[stellanoir]

4. It's far too long to post on this board

as the formatting gets all fouled up. PM me with your e-mail and I'll promise to never spam ya.

[Ecumenist]

5. Tell you what....

Why don't you just post it as original post and put something in it letting us know that the post has to do with this thread and that way, people can read it, digest it and use it...:hi:

[stellanoir]

6. Tried that.

Doesn't work. Trust me on this. Elad kindly helped me months ago.

It's just too darned long.

[Ecumenist]

7. Okay...

Then planB.. start a journal...That way we can compile all the wisdom and information and have it archived for retrieval...

[Angel Wings]

8. Oh, that sounds like a great idea!

I hope that works for you Stellanoir, so that we all can partake of your wisdom. I'm very curious.:thumbsup: :D

[NMDemDist2]

3. there is no half way

you are either for love or for death

it comes to that

it will be a mess, destruction, disaster, pain and rebirth

we have passed the tipping point and the souls stuck in a dance with death will struggle, fight, murder and destroy but will be defeated and eventually return to love. but first they will fight out of fear

i call it 5 years of increased insanity

my only armour is my lack of fear of death and my abiding love for the planet

i signed on for this planet, this transformation, this experiment. it is so heart breakingly beautiful so tragic and yet so noble

those around us will be easily distinguished, the death fearers and the lovers

be a lover, have no fear and practice being the observer. know that just by your loving attention you assist the rebirth

share, love and believe. it's already all right!

[DemExpat]

9. I'm with you on this, AZ, but until now,

have a terrible struggle myself loving those souls here that are causing so much destruction and suffering - I just CAN'T yet....

the fact that they are fucking up so much exquisite beauty and innocence (the planet with its plants and animals and peoples) with their greed, indifference, arrogance and hatred is too much for me to forgive, to love. It breaks my heart too and fills me with hate...:cry:

:puke:

I think that it will get even much worse before it starts to get better, but I still believe in Love as the ultimate victor - and along with my deep love for the planet - this is my armour through these times.

DemEx

[NMDemDist2]

10. "be the observer" helps me alot

but it's very very sad to watch isn't it?

[Punkingal]

12. I feel just like you do....

And I know it's wrong spiritually to not be able to love these people. The very best I can do is at times I actually feel pity for W. He is clearly so misguided and wrong, and being used by the evil ones. I am not excusing him....that is just how I see him. A truly pathetic individual.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Frist, Delay....(the list is very long) just drive me nuts with frustation, and I resent them for what I allow them to do to me and my spirituality, because it is my firm belief that we are all part of a whole, and when I feel such disgust for them, I am feeling it for myself.

At the same time, I do believe they won't be allowed to destroy the planet, because too many people are waking up to what is really going on. I have always believed they will have their day of reckoning....I even believed that in December of 2000 when they stole the election. Americans won't sleep forever...look at what Katrina did to wake people up. I also can't believe that a pResident with an approval rating in the low 30's can refuse to rule out using nuclear weapons and not scare a large number of people out of their indifference. Not to mention the gas prices, which are bumping $3.00 a gallon here. If it takes something like gas prices to do the trick of making people see the light, I am all for it.

Anyway, the bottom line for me is, in spite of everything, I am still optimistic, and I visualize their loss of power daily. It is going to happen.

[NMDemDist2]

16. but don't you see?

when they bring you to anger and frustration you are feeding their agenda, their soul killing evil

pray for them

everyday

pray "Lord give them what they deserve" everyday and eventually (a month maybe?) you'll realize what everyone deserves is Love and unity

it may or may not help them, but I guarantee it will help you. and guilt is no good either, don't feel guilty TAKE ACTION

truly, actions are our strongest weapon. the action of praying. of forgiving, of recognizing they are doing their role too. action is speaking truth in a loving manner.

remember truth without Love is brutality. how can we ascend until the souls here recognize that they are separate and don't have to be? that the longing they feel and try to fill with things or hate or danger is just the separateness that binds and blinds them.

lessons can be hard (although they don't have to be) and this planet has some hard lessons ahead. it may take some serious chit to bring us to our knees, but on our knees in humility and grace is where we need to go. humility is not humiliation, it is the knowledge of where you fit and the joy and comfort that brings.

**DISCLAIMER*** I am not a Christian, have never been taught or practiced any mainstream religion at any time in my life. I am only speaking what my heart tells me.

[cassiepriam]

46. I think it is important as well to do some other things with the

negative feelings, and I am going to make a longer post about it.

I believe that we are all working through a great deal of karma right now, especially those of us feeling the strongest feelings.

We are meant to learn some things and do our inner work.
We need to take a look at what this means for us on a soul level.

We cannot help others change and grow until we do our own work.

So I guess I am saying that spiritual activism has two components.
Inner and outer work. Dealing with our own karmic issues and reaching out to others.

[Ecumenist]

39. PunkinGal...

I believe that your visualisation is working because many others are visualising the same thing. Do you really believe that the things that are happening right now are happening just because? I believe that the collective soul power can be focused like a lens and work, laserlike to kill evil, in the same way that Radiotherapy kills cancerous growths. You have a place and the power I believe in, the Creator has made you perfectly and place an incalculably powerful soul in place that is more powerful than all the bombs, bullets, tanks, armies and all other tools of war and destruction. Don't discount your power and your worth. I've seen it work. We just need to learn how to focus all of the power within us.

[Punkingal]

50. Thank you.

I don't discount my personal power, or that of anyone else. I have had a couple of experiences that let me know how much power one has. The first was when an acquaintance told me she was feeling kind of down and over-whelmed and dreaded work the next day. I told her I would send her light and healing energy the next day, and I made a mental note to do so. The next night she told me she had an aura picture made that day, and the photographer said, "Wow, someone is really beaming light at you." I was surprised, because I had actually done nothing more than say to myself to send her light, and then forgot about it and went about my day.

The other experience was when I was going through a particularly difficult situation myself, and I spoke to three friends and asked them to send me healing energy. Well, they did. I was so bombarded with all this energy, which I could feel, like heat and vibration, so strong that I was up all night with no feeling of fatigue. It was fantastic.

I am grateful for this thread, because it reminds me of just how much we can do about the situation we are in, just with the power of our minds and hearts. And when I remember that, it so much easier to let go of the resentment, fear, and loathing of those misguided souls who are currently in charge of our country.

[DemExpat]

42. Punkingal....

...in spite of everything, I am still optimistic, and I visualize their loss of power daily. It is going to happen.

I'm thinking this morning that maybe we need to visualize their gaining love and knowledge of Good, and not focus on their losing power and evilness - just a slight difference that might help.

:shrug:

:hug:

DemEx

[Ecumenist]

37. you know, DemExpat...

As my mother nsd Grandmother told me, " if you can't bring yourself to pray or LOVE those stained souls, pray to be able to someday love and pray for those souls... I hope that helps..:toast:

[DemExpat]

41. Good one.....but I realize that I already actually have much love for

these souls - when I imagine them not being in the bodies/egos that they are now in here on earth - so its actually NOT their souls that I cannot love, for I truly do, but their manifestations here on earth....their deeds, their attitudes, their energies.

Thanks, Ecumenist,

:hug:

DemEx

(I don't pray as it has too many negative connotations for me from my religious upbringing, but I do get in touch with soul and connect it to all everyday)

[japple]

11. There is a kind of half way. Neutrality. I am not yet at the

point where I can embrace the dark souls (the soul suckers) but I'm past the point of being filled with anger at their actions. I continue to speak out about injustice, and I will work to defeat their (3D)political candidates. Sending light to the dark and fearful souls is the best thing I can do.

[NMDemDist2]

18. that's exactly perfect

:hug:

:yourock:

[Ecumenist]

38. Japple,

For me to say that I can embrace or even feel anything other than contempt at this point for a number of people, would be a lie to the nth degree. I've just been told to use the gifts I've been given to work against them. You'll always win, trust me. Just don't give up...:pals:

[cassiepriam]

14. Please write more AZ, this is very good!

Yes, be an observer, wear the amour as described.

We did sign on for this gig. We thought we could do it,
we thought we could help, but it is much harder than we bargained for.

But we have to try, we have to work out our karmic duty.

More on this later....

[cassiepriam]

13. Funny, I had the same kind of idea last night, then I saw your post

this am. Maybe They are sending us the same info.

We have gifts and talents on this board, let's use them and not go down with out a fight!

I am going to start posting the ideas that are coming to me!

[Ecumenist]

17. Yes, indeed, Cassiepriam...

I have been getting the push to do this VERY STRONGLY AND INCESSANTLY. I've learned that when the People tell me to do something this urgently, I acquiesce, unless I don't want to sleep or have peace of any kind, as they don't have to take time to rest or sleep and can pretty much make themselves VERY WELL UNDERSTOOD... We should come together with a plan. I was thinking about how we can spread this what I honestly and truly believe to be HOLY undertaking, ( as anything done to save lives and subvert evil in whatever form it may come, is Holy and Divinely inspired, despite what you may call or acknowledge as God. An example of this would be Beliefnet.

Let's brainstorm and figure out how to solidify our strengths and expand it beyond this forum here on DU. I'm sure that most, if not all of us have networks throughout the net populated by others like us who can lend their strength, prayers and love to this project. The evil intentions that these people plan to unleash on the world CAN BE STOPPED AND BOUND. All it takes is enough people who agree and have enough faith in what the soul can do when determined enough.
I'm ready to give whatever I can to this, are there any others who wish to work in this? It doesn't have to be alot of time because the strongest intention made in PURE faith and for the highest good can do wonders and that time doesn't have to any more than a minute or two a day.

I'm not willing to allow anymore people die without fighting like hell to stop it. I love MAN, this Creation, Gaia, Terra, Earth, whatever you call her and all the life that rides along with us through the universe. Whatever time, prayers, reading, charts you can offer in this endeavour is priceless and worth more than all the riches on this planet.

I want to thank you for whatever you can provide in advance and your selflessness for our planet and our race of Mankind, regardless of creed, colour, gender, nationality or orientation.

I am a Christian but unlike the creeps who trumpet how holy they are every time they are within shouting distance of a mike or camera, the God I serve asks me to love everyone as He does and I was am supposed to treat people I come across as if they are the most important thing on the planet. I will say that I'm not always successful but each day, I grow and feel it is perhaps, the most important thing to work against the greed, hypocrisy and darkness that has spread across this planet like a cancer.

So, whatever your creed is, whether you have faith in something beyond yourself, a sens of the divine, are agnostic or atheist, (although I doubt there'll be any atheists here, for obvious reasons), You matter, you have a multitude of treasures to offer and I humbly ask for any offer of your gifts. Know that you don't have to be intuitive, diviners, etc. You'd be surprised what kind of power is tucked inside of the most "ordinary people". There is no ego involved in this nor judgment. Just simple faith that moves mountains.

[cassiepriam]

19. Spiritual activism.

What ideas do you have? What is your plan?

I have been getting some things very strongly as well. I think many of us have.

My .02 is that I think we should start here first and see what we come up with. The consensus here has been that we stay in the background and not have a high profile. We want to keep this spot a protected safe place. We do not want the hassles of the other DU forums. But if we could brainstorm ideas first perhaps we could figure out other safe ways for those who are interested to go more public. Perhaps we could connect to other spiritual groups.

So I guess my idea would be to have a spiritual activism think tank first and formulate some ideas. Then we can decide what to do with it all.

At the very least I think we could do some spiritual work here in a quiet way. Even a small group can have power.

[NMDemDist2]

20. agreed on all counts

and pull in maybe Nancy's site and Michael Sharp's too

he'd be all over this idea

[Ecumenist]

36. Yeah, that's sounds wonderful....

We'll come up with a good plan to put this together. We'll figure out how to form the nucleus and branch out from there... :yourock:

[Ecumenist]

21. EXACTLY...

What do we do? Where do we go. I wish there was some way to a fairly private room. Frankly, I do't care what others think about this project. If others approve,(outside of spiritual people), that's fine and if they don't, that's fine too. How do we go about setting up a think tank? Sometimes, the most powerful voice is the softest one.

[NMDemDist2]

23. I think we're already here

no skeptics are allowed in here


we can talk here, if it needs to be more private use the PM function

[Ecumenist]

25. Okay...Ya'll tell me how to do that and that's what we will do.

I'm still a bit of a neophyte...

[NMDemDist2]

27. huh? you lost me

do what?

we're brainstorming what to do then we'll start a thread to DO it

but i think we're already sending light to the planet on a daily basis individually

what am I missing here? :pals:

[Ecumenist]

30. How to do PM's on DU...eom

[NMDemDist2]

31. you've sent me PMs

you click the little envelope next to someone's name

[Ecumenist]

32. Oh okay..

Who knew? LOL!!

[NMDemDist2]

33. sorry

PM = Private Message

[Ecumenist]

34. Nem Problema

:hi:

[cassiepriam]

44. I totally agree. Yes. nt

[cassiepriam]

43. We already have it set up!

This forum is fairly private and quiet with very nice energy.
Lots of people with interest and talent.

Let's just start here, and kick ideas around like we are doing right now. This thread you started can be the beginning. I think we should all brainstorm, post our ideas and what is coming to us and take it from there. Follow our noses so to speak and see what comes up.

When we are ready we can think about branching out.
But lets think, pray, meditate, discuss, argue, whatever we need to do, here first.

And I feel strongly that everyone on this forum should feel free to post any idea, thought, inspiration. That is what brainstorming is all about.

[cassiepriam]

49. Funky energy out there.

I think this is for two reasons:

1. Perhaps our spirit guides are trying to get our attention to do something!

2. And the other mixed up energy is coming from the American people who are struggling with something called cognitive dissonance.

Many have been in lock step with BushCo, and have believed all the propaganda that Bush is direct representative of God's will. That Bush is honest, competent, on the side of the angels, etc.

That belief system is being challenged a great deal by all the scandals coming to light. A major threat to this belief system occurred when the retired generals spoke out. Many also believe that the military is the right hand of God so to speak, and now we have a situation where people have to try and figure out what the heck all of this means. How can these two groups, BushCo and the military be at odds, if they are supposed to be on the same side.

Something is beginning to not make sense to the American people and they are struggling to put it together. But this may be on a deep primitive level that they cannot put into words as of yet. It is like when victims begin to realize that they have been conned.

Also for the more sophisticated people out there, they understand that the generals speaking out must mean we are in some danger, they would never publicly disagree with the power structure otherwise. So there is fear and anxiety on a deep level.

So the energy out there is powerful and very intense and muddled.
Those of you you are sensitive and psychic may be picking it up.

[cassiepriam]

15. #1. The future is not pre-ordained. Pray for Americans to be stronger

and to make a more determined effort to stop the evil. Pray that they acquire the ability to think independently, have a moral compass, and do the right thing. Pray that they have courage and wisdom.

Quoting from Edgar Cayce:

"The future is never entirely pre-ordained. A given country for example has the power to alter and reshape destiny in exact accord with the altering patterns of that people of that country.

A stronger, more determined effort on the part of the responsible German majority could easily have prevented Hitler's rise to power. Europe could have followed a saner, more serene evolution."

Langly, Edgar Cayce On Reincarnation, The Modern Prophet. p.542

For those of you who cannot send light, love and prayers to Bushco, (and I understand why not) send all of that to the American people. They can stop Bush.

[Ecumenist]

22. Perhaps, heaven is waking those of us who either signed up

for this period in time or who were suckered into taking this gig. Whatever the case, I will not nor can I ignore it. You know, my mom and grandmother used to tell me that if I could not honestly pray for someone, then pray to be able to pray for them someday.

[I Have A Dream]

24. I'll do whatever I can do. I do not feel anger; for some reason it...

has recently disappeared. Please count my energy in.

[Ecumenist]

26. Welcome friend

You know what, anger has it's place. I believe as kong as it's focused against a dark power, it can be a powerful force for good.

[I Have A Dream]

48. For me, my emotions interfere with my ability to manifest, so...

I am glad that I'm not feeling either fear or anger in reference to this situation because I want that on which I'm working to come to fruition. I agree with you, Ecumenist, that righteous indignation is not inappropriate; it just doesn't work for me for some reason.

Let's make this happen. I know that I signed up to do this in this life, as I know that I have in past lives.

[Ecumenist]

51. Perhaps, we can learn together how to focus and concentrate

All the emotions, intentions, indignation, righteous and otherwise and target all that power to stop the maniacs here and wherever they exist in an important positions that endanger innocents everywhere.

[cassiepriam]

45. We all signed up for this..... I am going to make a post about this

when I have the time to do it justice.

Many of us have lessons to learn about abuse of power,
misuse of power, etc. Or about putting our heads in the sand
and not thinking independently.

This is karma time for sure.

[mntleo2]

28. It Requires A Lot Of Sacrifice!

For speaking out, for standing up for justice, you may lose your job, your home, you and your children could be homeless, you are reviled for being "too idealistic", you will always be poor and you are considered a fool and treated as if you are invisible. Believe me I have been working for years and years for justice issues and it is a lonely job. Your family thinks you are crazy (or obsessed). For all the things I have heard in church about standing up for the poor, the sick, the reviled, they never tell you what price you pay.

All of these things have happened to me. I have nothing worldly to show for all the work I have done. But, interestingly, I would not trade what I have lived for the world!

I have been to a Samoan wedding where they roasted an entire pig in the ground, spent Chinese New Year with an immigrant family, helped make and then eat homemade sushi with Taiwanese/Japanese friends, shared the Seder with Jewish friends, fasted for Ramadan and laughed with the women at the mosque as we fixed a feast for after sundown, spent the 4th of July with African American friends, traded Christmas presents with East European friends, wept with South American friends over the loss of family members during the ethnic cleansings that happened in the 1980's. I am as Anglo as they come, yet I have had the honor of being offered the eyes of a roasted lamb at an East African feast (I politely declined as I did not want to ralph, lol). I have been to pow-wows, drummings, dinners where the elders eat first and there are heaps of fry bread, salmon and wild rice, and spent time in the sweathouse with Native American friends. They still consider me family, but my ex-inlaws are Mexican Americans, so I have spent plenty of time at Cinco de Mayos, Mexican funerals and weddings and attended Catholic services with them(I am a practicing protestant, lol).

Know what? I have rarely left the city where I live in order to do all the above! But I know few rich people and the ones are I do know are boring, self centered, and obsessed with position and money. Even though they have traveled to many of the places my friends are from, they do not have a clue as to who the natives are. They seldom laugh a deep belly laugh and they hate anything that is not "American" (whatever that is, lol). But I am the one considered the fool and these rich people are the "respected" ones. I live begging while they cannot imagine what it would be like to eat from a food bank.

I am not complaining here, I'm just saying there is a lot of insecurity that comes with the good when you speak for true justice and the forgotten, the immigrant, the poor and the homeless. It means you have to learn to trust God alot and trust yourself even when you are considered a kook by many around you.

My 2 cents

Cat In Seattle

[NMDemDist2]

29. ....

:hug:

thank you

[Ecumenist]

35. I'm not afraid...

I'm a woman of mixed african/european/asian/amerindian descent, married to a bohemian czech and I've survived HORRIFIC physical, psychological and sexual abuse. I was in a wheelchair and on crutches for about 4.5 years. I have been dealing with serious illnesses and in fact, I died almost 8 years ago come August 7th. I'm a Aquarian/ Libra rising with moon in virgo, mercury in capricorn and mars in aquarius. I couldn't care less what people think of me as long as I know I'm doing what I'm supposed to do and following what God wants me to do. My mother was basically killed through deranged indifference. It's not easy to frighten me as I may get scared for a little bit but then I get angry. So, you can see, I've been honed and I've been through the fire. I'm a fighter and even worse for those I am battling against, I am intuitive and can read minds.

I truly love all people not because of what they have or what their standing in society but because of who they are as a family member, albeit, several times removed. I saw buxh for what he was the VERY first time I had the misfortune of setting eyes on him, I saw him as a murderer and told my mother that "watch, he's going to get us killed". On September 11th, she reminded me of what I'd said over a year before.

Some things are worth it, Cat. As far as I'm concerned, my planet, my people, ( the human race) as well as those who have scales, feathers, spines, fur who walk, crawl, slither , fly and swim as well as those who have leaves, fronds and flowers. Some things are worth it. After all, if we lose our planet, where are we going to go? This is a one shot thing.

[mntleo2]

55. Oh How I Agree With You! (A Story)

It IS worth it all...if anything because every night when I go to bed, I know, with little in my pocket, that I have done the right thing that day. I am proud that not only have I done something, I have done it with little or nothing. I often think with all the resources of people around me, they could do so much more than I could, but it is the best I can do ~ and I am not bragging here it is just the truth, I do it better much of the time (I think) than just throwing money at something.

I learned something from the Hindus once when I was sharing with them spiritually that was important and quite different than what my Western way of looking at the world is all about. It had to do with the miracle of the loaves and fishes that Jesus performed. For 2 years every Wednesday evening, Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and others met. We shared a vegan potluck meal(for the Hindus who were mostly vegan) and then after the meal, we gathered to share our view of spirituality. A Hindu guru and a Christian minister oversaw the gathering. We called it "the Ashram" (place of learning wisdom). A couple people would share their personal journey as to how they came to follow the path they did. Sometimes it was someone from the group of regulars and other times we asked someone from the community to share.

One evening I was honored to be asked to share my personal journey. After hearing from doctors, engineers, psychiatrists, and others, I was surprised, delighted and humbled to be asked. I did not know it, but a woman my age from the Himalayans was also asked to share hers. I grew up in the North Cascades, she in the Himalayans and both of us were American mothers then. I asked Bapu-Ji, the Hindu priest if I could share communion with everyone, and assured him I was not proselytizing, only showing what we did every month in our church that was also similar as we were doing every Wednesday with one another.

The night came and after a busy day (I had a daycare in my home at that time) I hurried to get ready for the Ashram. I realized I had forgotten my promise to share communion (my minister was also helping with it) and I was supposed to bring the bread and the grape juice. OMG! I raced around the house looking for the proper things, and found the juice well enough, but the only bread I could find was one small freezer roll. Oh well, that would have to do and it should be fine for around 10 people, I thought...

When I arrived at the dinner, the place was full. Over 60 people had shown up that night! And we did not have any bread. When it came time to gather in a circle and share our journeys, the woman before me spoke of her Hindu faith and her life in the Himalayas. It was almost identical to mine, a Christian growing up in the mountains of Washington! Bapu-Ji spoke after we shared and said that the way we look at God was like the way he saw Mt Rainier once when he traveled around its base. Every side made the mountain completely different, but from afar, we all know it is the same mountain. And that God often looks very different from each perspective. But it is still all God... He announced that we would share a ritual from my church and then my minister explained what it meant and what it was.

I might mention here, that throughout the time of the ashram, I was having a spiritual struggle with my faith because I saw these godly people and yet, my own faith's teachings told me they were going to hell because they were not Christians. How could that be? They were just as godly as any Christian I knew!? At that time, I had been studying the Bible in Greek with a Greek (Orthodox) friend and we came upon the passage where Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth and the life..." Christians take that to mean he was saying that if you did not believe in him, that you were going take the wrong Way. But in the Greek the translation said, "I am SHOWING YOU the path to the light..." or something like that. We could not believe it so we went to her priest and asked if we had read that correctly because to my friend, it was kind of like me reading old English (and if you have ever read Chaucer's "The Lady Of The Lake," you will know what I mean, lol). What we had read was an interpretation that said Jesus was merely telling us to love our neighbors as ourselves and love God with all our hearts ~ not some belief in some specific God or religion, but the One that sends us on the path of love. The priest assured us we had read the passage correctly...

At the ashram, everyone was looking at me expectantly when in embarrassment, I produced the grape juice in a cup and the tiny roll. I was beyond embarrassed, but Bapu-Ji just shrugged and said we would let it go as far as it would go ~ it was the idea that mattered. My minster showed them how to break off a pieces of bread and dip it in the cup and bless each other as we paced it on to the next person. The love and the community in the room permeated everything around us at that moment. I was stunned when the bread and the cup made it around the entire group and not only that, when it came back to me, it was no smaller! But I shook it off. That was impossible!

Fast forward to about 6 months later. Bapu-Ji, my minister, and a few people who had been at that Ashram, were all having lunch together. We spoke of that night and the love that was there and how the profile of God had become like Mt Rainier to all of us because we saw God's profile in each other. I timidly mentioned I could have sworn when that little roll, that had gone around to over 60 people, had come back the same size as when it left me, and I could not believe it. To me it was like the loaves and fishes miracle I had been taught about in Sunday School. My minister immediately said, "Nah! that could not have been!" but everyone, even he had to admit that they had all seen it and been puzzled, but we had all dismissed it as something not possible. Not Bapu-Gi, our Hindu guru! He said simply that it was not so miraculous because of the love that was in the room. He said, "Don't you all know....love makes things grow!"

From then on, it has been true that there is never not having enough when there is love. If I have dinner prepared and a whole group of kids come in, I try not to worry it is not enough, we share it and we always come away full. If I am dead tired but know a task needs to be performed before I can rest, I do it and there is always plenty of energy to complete the task ~ just as long as it is one done out of a lot of love and love is why it needs to be done (like perhaps helping a kid with his homework or petting the kitty, lol).

So, you are right and all you have been through that you describe, prepares you for the hardships ahead. There is also joy in knowing you are doing what is right and what it is that God wants you to do and that is always a good thing. Not an easy thing, a good thing. I admire your fortitude!

Love
Cat In Seattle
Edited for clarity

[rumpel]

40. I think

that I was successful today in connecting with a healing energy...which was badly needed and originally intended for myself, but I felt the urge and I redirected it to mother earth in the hope to give her the protective energy. I think my guides were giggling.
Whenever I can tap into it I will be sending this energy.

I also have no anger or fear. I often feel I have to step outside of the rants of many and get a better perspective and view of things in order to counter the craziness, and I believe to see the major shift in the collective consciousness and the will to stop further damage. I am happy many are making a big difference one step at a time, one day at a time. This collective energy is rising and will help with what I can.

These damaging leaders will go down as rigid in their beliefs as ever, albeit without any support, and unfortunately without realizing what they have done.
As for this administration, I think quietly in the background they are concocting something again, (non Iran) however it will backfire on them again. Just my gut feeling.

[LaurenG]

47. I will participate in whatever way I am able

My heart and mind are willing.

There is nothing that can't be accomplished once we make up our minds and just do it. I will be here everyday to read what you have all decided. I am excited. I appreciate all of you so very much and I'm glad we have each other.

:grouphug:

[japple]

52. What about the monthly prayer and healing thread? Could we maybe

come up with a list in advance of people/entities that we want to be the focus of healing energies. For instance, maybe on May 5 at 7:00 pm EDT, we could all focus on directing healing light and peace to George Bush; on May 6, we could focus on the Democratic Party; on May 7, we could focus on those involved in the war in Iraq.

Just a thought...

[NMDemDist2]

53. i think you're on to something

but maybe make it a weekly "target" for folks who can't be available at a specific time

or make it a lucid dreaming thing

if we all plan to send the energy to a specific entity one night in our sleep we could do the prayer/meditation before bed with the INTENTION to visit together in our dreams. visualize all of us creating a light sphere for the entity

visualize us (whoever signs on for that night) connecting and beaming the energy to where ever we decide

do it once a week

that may work.......

[japple]

59. AZdem it sounds like a good plan to me. n/t

[cassiepriam]

63. This kind of thing has been done very successfully.

I like it. We can come up with a tentative list and then decide which ones to work on.

I would like to add Fitz and Sheehan to the list for possible consideration.

[Angel Wings]

54. I am here and will be here with you all also.

[NMDemDist2]

56. welcome to DU Dreamy!

:hi:

what a joy to have you here, thanks for joining us!

[Angel Wings]

57. Thank you so much AZ!

:hi:

[TNOE]

58. Welcome to DU too Dreamy

Hi :hi:

I don't know how much I can add, but this group is awesome and I do like the idea perhaps of a designated day and time - like maybe at 7:30 P.M. on Mondays, or Tuesdays or Wednesdays or whenever if we mediatated on the changes we'd like to see brought about in our government and the world as a whole, pray for peace, etc. I do believe there's a lot of power "when 3 or more gather in my name" - but not only that, the focused energy.

There's kind of a weird site, but it really helped me through a tough time, and now that I've grown more spiritually, and am now for the first time in my life dealing with inner child issues (which I always thought was just a bunch of crap), this site seems to hold more meaning for me. http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/

Right now, I feel like a mess myself, and I imagine alot of people are feeling the same way, like you're in the middle of a storm that has yet to rage - very, very strange funk I've been in for awhile, and frankly, I'd love to be over it, but I know mediatation can only help and never hurt.

[DemExpat]

60. Great to have you here, Dreamy.

Welcome!

:hi:

DemEx

[japple]

62. Welcome to the Astrology forum, Dreamy,

and to DU, too. This is a great place to learn.

[Ecumenist]

69. Welcome to DU, Dreamy

:hi: Happy to have you here. There are many more who like you and the rest of us are being drawn together to fight for our country, our lives, our planet and all the life here and all humankind.

[saracat]

61. Somehow, for a while now, I have felt all will be well.

We vare turning the corner. We are meant to reach out to Republicans. They are reaching out to us.The evil ones will not be here much longer. They cannot save themselves. They will not change. 2006 is the beginning of a new world. I feel peace. Be active and reach out to those you can. Discard the rest.Send love to the world. This is what I am getting. Change is upon us.

[japple]

64. It's important to ask for "the highest good for all" whenever we're

praying or focusing energy. We can't see the whole picture. Whenever I start feeling like I want to see Bush and his entire world blown to smithereens, I force myself to think about how awful it must have been to be a child in the Bush family, being raised by Poppy and Bar. I try to visualize GWB as a small, frightened child, and surround him with love, warmth and light. All of these people must have been damaged at some point in their lives to have turned out the way they did. If we can focus on that spark of God within all of us and ask the universe to help us direct our energy to where it is needed, I think that would be the best thing we can do.

[cassiepriam]

66. Yes, I especially like this part of what you said.

If we can focus on that spark of God within all of us and ask the universe to help us direct our energy to where it is needed.

Thy will be done. Amen!

[japple]

65. Oh, and another thing: THANK YOU ECUMENIST for

starting this thread. This is a hot one, isn't it?

[Ecumenist]

68. Hello All , I'm just now checking in...

I had been awake for almost two days and finally dropped this morning at 7:30 am. I just woke up 40 minutes ago and have been reading the development of this thread. I feel that we're being prodded to wake up to what it is we're supposed to do to help create change and help the truth and the real spirit of America be bron. I look at it as serving as midwives to the way things should be and the correct manner in which people, plants and animals SHOULD BE TREATED AND TREASURED.

It won't be easy but then nothing worthwhile is easy. We'll no doubt trip and stumble along the way but each time one of us losses their way or footing, we will stop and help that person EVEN if it means that we place those people on our shoulders. Those who can no longer see clearly the path, light a candle and help them. I'm sure that we'll run into derision, attempts to humiliate us and outright cruelty but I believe that this is reason that we have been gathered together.

There has to be a daily visualisation, meditation or prayer, (whatever your definition may be), so that there is an unrelenting laser like focus of love, determination healing and change "beamed" most, if not all of the 24 hours of the day. This is just the beginning and as with anything, there is a bit of disarray at the start of anything BUT just like a developing child, as the cells find out what they need to do, the become increasingly organised and efficient.

This may sound really strange but I feel that there are groups all over the globe who have been awakened for the same reasons we have been. There are 10's od thousands on every continent and island, every atoll and marsh. There are Muslims, Christians, Wiccans, Jews, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus, Animists, Zoroastrians, Mormons, Humanists, Spiritualists, Daoists, Shintoists, New Age and those who walk their own paths who have been awakened, (by the way, this also includes those who identify themselves as Agnostic and Atheists who are being awakened in their own way and fashions). We are just one nucleus of the real life and power of this planet and the race of Humankind who are supposed to be stewards of the other creatures here with us.

In the past, we have be unaware of our worth and strengths but no longer. A lot os time, it takes being dragged, face down through broken glass to turn on the faith that we came into the world with. We've been spit on and denigrated by globalists who's only desire is for more power, money and control, even though they really have no earthly idea what they want to do if they were to get everything they want.

We are standing at the precipice and there's a huge, amorphous blackness that has cut off any escape to the rear and side. Our only viable choice is to take a HUGE LEAP OF FAITH off of this cliff. I believe that once we jump one of two things will happen; either the hand of God will be there to catch us or we'll sprout wings and learn to fly. That's the real reason that this bunch and their ilk throughout the world are afraid of the everyday man. WE make up a huge Colossus, a sleeping giant, the likes of which they've never even dreamed of..

I thank God for all of you and for the opportunity to get to be one of you. I will do whatever I need to do for this growth.

[DemExpat]

67. I just love DU, & this little room here is one big part of the reason why.

:grouphug:

With the fire of my Moon in Aries I have been drawn to DU, and in this thread I also will be happy to lend my energy to this cause....I seem so laid back to some people, but they don't know my militant side :evilgrin: - my kids, family and friends do, though, and love me for it too....:D

I'm ferocious in Love and my love for this planet with its life and spirit!

I would love to do more than I already am............

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

70. I hope you all can watch this song by Pink, who is doing her part!

Dear Mr. President.

(Been posted on GD)
Warning: You might start to cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eDJ3cuXKV4

Dial up warning: It takes a while to download, but I think it is worth it.

[DemExpat]

71. I thought about posting that link to her performance here too, cassie!

:thumbsup:

Isn't that such a powerful song and beautifully done?

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

72. Yes, Dem, I agree: the lyrics, the music, the performance

knocked my socks off. (LOL great minds think alike)

I got goose bumps!

I had to post it here to give us good energy and inspiration.

I have never heard Pink before but she is very talented, and brave. She has to know that she will get much heat for this song. I have seen the ugly comments on the Internet about her.

Let us send her good thoughts to keep her going!

[DemExpat]

73. I think she knows what is "out there" and took the stand.

:kick:

I had seen her in the past couple of years on TV while my kids watched MTV - lots of "rough" hit songs here in Holland quite unlike what she is evolving into now.

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

74. Yes she had to know what was in store for her.

Very interesting that she has matured as an artist, and as a person!

I hope that kids will think about her song. Protest music was a very powerful force during the Viet Nam War.

You are living in Holland now Dem? Permanently or temp?

[DemExpat]

76. Permanently an ex-pat Texan....:-)

I tend to believe that popular culture is more powerful than politics.(in changing public opinion)

Let's hope this is new start in getting the message out.

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

80. I cannot blame you for leaving Texas!

And right you are about the pop culture. That song will change
more minds then a speech by Dean or Gore.

[I Have A Dream]

75. This is a very important thing that she's done. She can reach many...

young people who wouldn't be reached otherwise.

This brought tears to my eyes and gave me chills.

Thanks for posting it here, cassie. It's great energy.

[cassiepriam]

77. Yes gave me chills too. Could you feel her anger, very cold anger?

It was very clear. And she used her anger to write this song.
Also, determined, dead certain of herself, and the song was aimed right between the eyes of Bush. This is a lady with some internal power and confidence for sure.

Some of the lines are priceless:

How do you sleep at night, while the rest of us cry?
The Hard Work segment makes me tear up.
The Whiskey and Cocaine line is dead on.
How does a father take his daughter's rights away.

Line after line, really nice...

And yes I think young people will respond to this. I was young during the Viet Nam war and music was a powerful catalyst for action.

[I Have A Dream]

78. Whenever I hear music from the Vietnam era, I wish that I had been...

more a part of it. It still has such power.

[cassiepriam]

79. It was an amazing time. Pink's song brought me back.

Maybe that is a part of the power for me.

A lot of the same feelings of anger, pain at killing innocent
VietNamese women and children, and American boys. The gov't lies, the denial of the American people were the same. And the deep divisions in the American people. Then it was by generation, the younger against the older. Now it is different. The war left many scars on the American psyche.

It was even more poignant because of the draft. Many of my friends were drafted and some did not come home, or came home and spent the rest of their lives in wheelchairs.

And there was the lottery, the way they selected the boys to be drafted. The lottery boards drafted the boys by birth date lottery. And everyone was afraid that their dates would come up. Kids were only 18 and getting shipped out. It was a bad time.

[DemExpat]

81. Each line has such power....

Were you a lonely boy....are you a lonely boy?

Hard work also gets my eyes to tear up.....

but what really gets me about this song is how, when she sings, "Dear Mr. President, come take a walk with me.....", she is strong and confrontational, but also exquisitely open and vulnerable (knowing what the answer will be....rejection....) - her facial expression, her holding of her shoulders - this is so precious and powerful to me somehow!

I can't stop listening to this - at least once or twice a day, and yes, it also takes me back to the 70's and some of the power and mystique of the music then.

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

83. Exactly. It is very cleverly written, in addition to the power and

emotion. Deceptively simple. Many of the lines are loaded with meaning, I do not think the words she chose were an accident.

Were you a lonely boy....are you a lonely boy?

With this line of course she is getting at his mental status. His childhood dysfunctionality, how he was most likely a neglected child. And how he carries those wounds into his adulthood and current malfunctioning. And alludes to his underlying deep insecurity that drives him to act out in overcompensatory ways. And then of course she directly includes a line about his chemical abuse, alcohol and cocaine.

And the whole song is about his sociopathic traits, she keeps asking
questions about how he feels about the tragedies he has created, how does he look in the mirror?, how does he sleep at night, etc. Really getting at his lack of remorse, lack of normal human feelings. His isolation from world events that he has caused.

Dear Mr. President, come take a walk with me.....let's pretend you are not more important than me",

Yes very very clever way to open the song, trying to establish that her point of view is just as valid as his, and also making it clear she is very aware of, and angry about his superiority and disdain of others. And in the end, the audience is aligned with her emotionally as she is rejected.

I thought it was also clever how she ties his policy to his his girls, and what the first lady would think. Clever way to put it, at first I thought that, heck, Laura could care less, but it points out the hypocrisy of the repug actions, and how his own wife would balk at them when it came to their children. The gay line also is a swipe at Cheney I thought. Puts their actions is a personal human context.

I know, I watched it quite a lot yesterday. It gets addictive doesn't it? Have you noticed the look on the faces of the kids in the audience. Rapt worship and memorized the words.

And yes her non verbals are very powerful, the look at the end when she sings that he would not walk with her, says it all. That is the cold hard anger she has. It is palpable. She packaged it in a way that is smoothed out and acceptable but underneath there is a passion and intensity that is shocking on an emotional level.

[DemExpat]

85. And in the end, it is the sadness and anger without hatred, the depth

of understanding of Bush's psyche along with the outrage and criticism that makes this song shocking in its purity, at least for me.

:-)

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

86. Yes, on the surface it is just mostly sadness at the end.

I noticed that right away, but that is only by design. She sings the song with an intent to evoke certain feelings along the way. She gets a quizzical look at times to evoke confusion or questioning, or sadness, etc. But these often are not her real feelings, she is just trying to sing the song and give the appropriate emotion to the words.

But make no mistake underneath it is pure hatred, strong and cold as ice. She has gone way beyond hot anger. That is the most chilling part for me. Go back and look at her face when she sings the last lines, and just when she finishes, notice the eyes narrowing and the setting of her mouth. That is not sadness at all. Pure cold anger.

I have a knack that is often correct for looking at pictures and getting a story that comes to me. I tend to notice details and put things together. I can also usually pick up the underlying feelings as well. But of course I could be all wrong about this. But this is a skill I have to use in my job a lot and have been doing it for 30 years, and have a lot of training in non verbals etc. Again that combination of left and right brain, intuition and science coming together.

Dem when you watch it the next time, notice how Pink is sitting when she sings this song. At first I thought it was just the only way she could sit with the mike in front of her, but then I looked at how the other female vocalists were sitting. Completely different stance. Once you see it I will make some comments. It is clear and unmistakable in my mind.

And yes she comes across in an amazing and complex way. Reminds of a combination of Marilyn Monroe, Sharon Stone, Madonna. Very sexually powerful, but fragile and intense. But also make no mistake this is no fragile woman.

[cassiepriam]

89. PS. Basically Pink beat the holy sh*t out of Bush in this song,

but she did it in a clever disguised way, softened up.
(and deliberately manipulated the audience as she did it, but all art is manipulation in the sense we are made to feel the feelings the artist wants us to feel, and we like that as humans, to feel feelings in a controlled safe way.)

But none the less quite a tarring she gave him.
This lady is a formidable opponent and I have to wonder
if she has Mars in scorpio, if not she is doing a good
interpretation of that aspect!

[DemExpat]

90. I so agree here - she got him in his most vulnerable spots IMO.

In his core.
Fantastic job done here, too, using Big Guns here under the cloak of Woman, sexiness, Marilyn Monroe - yes, I thought she looks like this too.

Wasn't there a thread here not long ago about a woman being Bush's downfall? He always surrounds himself with "strong" women types to prop him up, but maybe a stonrg woman will also be the one to undermine his charade.

Let me look if I can find that thread....

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

94. Oh yes, I remember that, wasn't it supposed to be a blond?

Wouldn't it be ironic for a powerful woman to bring him down after all the women who mother and take care of him, exactly as you say, prop him up.

Of course Pink is only half blond, the other half of her hair is Pink, of course. :) Actually I love her hair like that, so cool.

I was trying to figure out the symbolism of the hair, but the only thing I could come up with is that she is half archetypal female bombshell, and then half change agent and chaos, but all in this ultra fem way, which is in stark contrast to her powerful personality.

But of course I am on shaky ground, I am not clued into the current pop music culture. Pink hair could mean anything!

[DemExpat]

95. Found the thread....just for fun.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=245&topic_id=11056

:hi:

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

96. Yes I remember it now that you mention it. Seems like a long list

of women have caused some trouble for Bush!

It should be the women who scream the loudest right now.
We are the ones who will have to pick up the pieces of the mess
Bush creates, in a very practical real life way. Dead and wounded soldiers, our kids who can't afford college, healthcare woes and sick babies, aging parents with no money for nursing homes. The safety net will be gone and most usually women are the caretakers in this society.

At the same time we are the ones losing the most rights in this country right now.

[DemExpat]

91. No fragile woman indeed....

Yes, on the surface it is just mostly sadness at the end.
Edited on Mon Apr-24-06 01:40 PM by cassiepriam
I noticed that right away, but that is only by design. She sings the song with an intent to evoke certain feelings along the way. She gets a quizzical look at times to evoke confusion or questioning, or sadness, etc. But these often are not her real feelings, she is just trying to sing the song and give the appropriate emotion to the words.

With "in the end", Cassie, I meant looking at the song in its entirely, I wasn't referring to the last lines of the song. :-)

But make no mistake underneath it is pure hatred, strong and cold as ice. She has gone way beyond hot anger. That is the most chilling part for me. Go back and look at her face when she sings the last lines, and just when she finishes, notice the eyes narrowing and the setting of her mouth. That is not sadness at all. Pure cold anger.

I personally do not detect hatred expressed in her song - at least not in the capacity that I feel it...lol....although the feeling of hatred probably inspired her to write this song.
I would say that a big part of its appeal to me is the lack of expressed hatred/contempt, or at least how she masterfully disguised it into stabbing, truthful anger, (and sadness).

I have a knack that is often correct for looking at pictures and getting a story that comes to me. I tend to notice details and put things together. I can also usually pick up the underlying feelings as well. But of course I could be all wrong about this. But this is a skill I have to use in my job a lot and have been doing it for 30 years, and have a lot of training in non verbals etc. Again that combination of left and right brain, intuition and science coming together.

By this conversation I would say we both have this in us to a fairly strong degree, Cassie....:D
There is, of course, always room for personal interpretation and our own feelings projected onto the subject of "scrutiny"....

Dem when you watch it the next time, notice how Pink is sitting when she sings this song. At first I thought it was just the only way she could sit with the mike in front of her, but then I looked at how the other female vocalists were sitting. Completely different stance. Once you see it I will make some comments. It is clear and unmistakable in my mind.

The way she sits there is one of the things about the song that grab me. She starts out with her shoulders soft and a little forward, but as the anger builds, she straightens up and grounds herself well for the confontation. Love it!
Sexy and provocative - seductive - with her legs apart as well, don't you think?
Masterful IMO.

And yes she comes across in an amazing and complex way. Reminds of a combination of Marilyn Monroe, Sharon Stone, Madonna. Very sexually powerful, but fragile and intense. But also make no mistake this is no fragile woman.

She is so powerful because she can express her fragile, vulnerable side as well, (sexiness too) she comes across as a child to me as well - probably because I have a daughter about her age....:D

I've enjoyed this chat with you about this song, Cassie - I sometimes think I'm a weird one how I pick up stuff from people and art,..... from just about anything.

:hi:

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

93. I am in agreement about the overall sadness as the mood

of the song, along with some anger. But then I take it a step further and see some very intense anger on her part, of the icy cold variety. And yes of course that could be my projection, Dem. That is how art is, artists projects their personality on a creation, and then the audience projects their own meaning onto the creation as well, so it is a bi-directional process.

However I think this was a carefully crafted piece of work, and indeed she implies that in the song intro, "this is the most important song I have ever written." I think that she thought about it. And she crafted the song to evoke certain world pictures and images, she is quite visual. She writes a song that is a picture story, very vivid images all thruout. And she wanted to evoke very specific feelings. She first paints her self as a fragile,vulnerable woman who just want to have a chat with the president and say some things.

And we understand that she will be rejected from the first, but that is what she wants, to be seen as a sympathetic figure. The audience aligns with her from the beginning. And keep in mind her audience consists of kids, young adults, and she has to reach them, and hit them between the eyes.

I certainly do not buy that she is fragile, perhaps vulnerable like we all are, vulnerable that she put it all out there to her own personal risk, but this is a woman with a lot of strength. She is a tough cookie, so I do not buy the fragile part, that is just what she is trying to evoke for the audience.

And this was a very personal piece of work for her. She puts herself in the story of the song, and she makes many personal attacks against Bush (all very legitimate points of course). She brings in his childhood, his poor parenting, his substance abuse, his daughters, his wife, etc. She basically beats the crapola out of him. The power of the song is that she is of course right on, in everything she says.

I saw the sitting stance as much more than sexual, basically I saw it as a major F-U to Bush. Very hostile in a covert sexual way. I had to watch it several times to get it. Her intense cold anger hit me really hard at first, then I had to go back and get into my head to actually really look at the non verbals.

As you say however it could all be my own projection, I readily admit that. My whole life I have seen things in a way different from others. I see the top layer that everyone else sees, but then I see other layers as well. And then my training as a scientist has made me always gather data as well, and to put aside the personal part and keep it separate. But perhaps I am not doing well at separating it here, since it is a very emotional topic for me!

Thanks for the discussion, it is fun.

[NuttyFluffers]

82. I love all y'all, so cute. This is like the battle cry of Care Bears.

c'mon y'know you can say it, "Care Bears! Care Bear Stare!" *tummy symbols aglow*:loveya:

heh. well Light Dancers, if ya got something planned ya got an ally willing to help. i might even go out in the sunlight and smile more often for the cause. :+ but, please, nothing around the ass crack of dawn; it wrecks havoc on this aging hipster's bloodshot eyes and aching head. :7

fyi, i believe there's major powers at work, so don't feel too thwarted. just go with the flow, er, pardon, "THE Flow." heaven can always use another pair of hands, so if you're open enough the answer of what you can do to contribute will come to you. if anyone gets a touch of the 'inspiration' give a holler and we can compile the ideas, on another topic perhaps. let the people who read find what moves their soul most and follow that.

[DemExpat]

84. Care Bear Stare! Love it, NuttyFluffers......

We can make our heart chakras aglow instead of tummy symbols....:silly:

:loveya: :7 :7 :7

:hug:

DemEx

[LWolf]

87. Ok.

The United States is the focal point for a global evolution. We're seeing the acceleration of fear and hate at work, in a desperate attempt to hold off the evolution that will restructure power and privelege.

All of the extremes we are experiencing lead to resistance, and then refusal, which sparks the change of direction. The Democratic Party is no one's savior here; the energy of change comes from the people, outside of entrenched political systems.

While the tide is turning, there is more work to be done. That work involves:

Recognizing hate and fear as the energies controlling the current phase, and rejecting them. Rejecting them in totality. That means not indulging in any kind of hate or fear. No hating Bush or his regime. No fearing terrorism. No fearing change, or an unknown future. What you fear most is likely to become reality, as your focus on that fear draws it toward you.

Recognizing love as the energy that overcomes and heals all, and offering it to all equally, without judgement. This is a key; whenever we feel ourselves indulging in judgement of others, a kinder and friendlier version of hate, stop, take some cleansing breaths, step back, and send light to that person or those people.

Choosing "leaders," candidates, and representatives that do the same.

Cleaning our own "houses" and relationships, and modeling within ourselves, our families, and our communities the changes which we are creating on a global basis.

Participating in groups and organizations, and with friends, who are all doing the same.

This is the answer I get every time I ask; I've been getting the same answer for several years now.

[I Have A Dream]

88. Wonderful post, LWolf! This is exactly what I'm getting also.

Thanks!

[DemExpat]

92. Great to see you here, LWolf...

My evolving viewpoint here - I personally see anger - and some fear, maybe even some hate - as healthy, also for this process.

I think that Love can encompass anger and fear - I mean, there are plenty of RW fundies giving this administration their love and prayers - so some healthy fear and anger at what they are doing is not feeding the negative IMO, it is seeing reality and turning away to look for other ways.

Feeling hate, anger and fear and having them spurn you on to positive change is actually sometimes vital IMO.

In my family growing up, no expression of negative feeling was tolerated, so perhap my experience, and that of years of psychotherapy following this which taught me not to ignore or reject "bad" feelings, have made me very wary of any viewpoint that says to avoid negative feelings, know what
I mean?

I think the challenge of this time is to feel the negativities and to process them, and to find ways of expressing them without the contempt, deceit, vindictivenss and selfishness of some "others".....


:hi:

DemEx

edit: I am curious why you think that the US is the focus of this evolution?
I see growing polarities everywhere in the world, and varying degrees of enlightenment with reactionary trends.

[LWolf]

98. Hi, friend!

The US as a focus? Because, to coin an '04 campaign phrase, "we've got the power." We're the nation with the military technology and drive to empire. We're the nation attempting to direct the rest of the world to suit our corporations and wealthy elite. The rest of the world is responding to us.

And negativity? Of course we all feel our share of it. It's hard not to feel it when it consumes the world around you. It's what we do with negativity that makes a difference, I think. Refusing to acknowledge those feelings is different than processing them in order to move on. I don't think we move forward on the energy of fear, anger, or hate. I think we have to recognize them, acknowledge them, and let them drain away to be replaced by something more constructive in order to move forward. We can get "stuck" there, where we never let them go.

I think you nailed it when you said "my evolving viewpoint." I think we are all evolving, emotionally and spiritually, and are at different points in how we process and respond to negative energy. I'm reminded of some personal experiences that illustrate:

When my marriage failed, I was in a state of complete shock. I didn't see it coming. After a lifelong friendship and a 12-year strong partnership, to have the dh succumb to the stereotypical mid-life-switch-the-old-for-the-young-new thing caught me completely by surprise. I grieved for a year, before I could even bring myself to anger. I moved out of my house 10 days after his big announcement. Thirty days later, he angrily told me to "get over it." I was still in shock, in a state of denial. I wasn't ready to "get over it," and "getting over it" was a long process of working through grief, then anger, then acceptance. I see our nation somewhat like this. Some are still married, blind to the juggernaut bearing down on them. Some are grieving, some are angry, many are just not ready to "get over it" and move on. I think we will see fundamental global shifts and changes when enough of us are; the world is ready, waiting for us.

Another experience that illustrates this is a conversation I had in early '05 with my mom. She was obsessing over a particular situation. Worry, fear, anger, frustration, the inability to take things moment by moment and trust for a good outcome. I suggested that she was creating the very situation she feared with her focus. She said, "I hear you, but I'm just not ready to give it up." An honest statement. She was getting something out of her continual worry. Almost like a sense of security. She was secure in her fear and anger, if that is possible. She couldn't have a conversation without hashing through all the awful possibilities. Within 3 weeks of this conversation she was in the hospital with 2 major emergency surgeries, dealing with that recovery as well as the situation she was obsessing over. Watching from the outside, it was as if she drove herself to illness to prove how terrible everything was and to legitimize the year she'd spent clinging to worry, fear, anger, frustration, etc..

That's the danger I see in fear, anger, and hate. It can become an addiction that too many become dependent on. While there is plenty of energy there, it is destructive, rather than constructive, energy. I think that if we want to move forward into a constructive, conscious world, we have to do so consciously with constructive, rather than destructive, energy.

I am consciously doing this, acknowledging all the things holding me back and letting them drain away to be replaced by energy that will take me forward. It's how I managed '05, with 2 family crises, 900 mile move and job change. When I look back and see how all improbable things had to fall into place just right, how it unfolded over time while I had to take each moment and trust the universe to get me where I needed to be, and how it all came together, I know I it would not have happened if I'd allowed a moment of fear or doubt to enter into the process. I think we have to move our world forward the same way.

I hope some of this makes sense, on this sleepy early morning!

[DemExpat]

101. Yes, LWolf, you made great sense to me.

I see where you are coming from on this now. Thanks for sharing. You tend to see the people who are rather addicted to negativity, while I tend to see those who stick their heads in the sand to avoid it! :D

Maybe those who you consider to be addicted are actually, like your Mom, perhaps, working through it all over and over until she has it "processed".....
My psychotherapy years gave me much by "wallowing" in the past and the pain, so I do think that it has a positive purpose in many of our lives.

I guess I see a danger of people trying to ignore or deny the negative and plow onwards without that knowledge/insight underneath - and in my experience - that type of 'blind' positive thinking doesn't get positive results either.

Both tendencies exist "out there" or within ourselves, and, as usual, it comes down to being very AWARE,(of them both) and finding that spot of good balance between the two while moving forward in good faith.

So, yeah, I still think fear, anger, hate and sadness have a very real place still in this world. :-) To be processed, dealt with, seen with wide open eyes and heart, and then put into its place not to be projected out into the world. I am still in this phase - focusing on the hope and Love, while trying to be aware of the negative, also within myself, and not projecting it on others. Obviously I have not succeeded in not projecting on this terrible administration! :silly:

:hi:

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

97. Should we start an "official" Spiritual Activism thread?

that is a working thread? Where someone actually gets us organized into some specific projects? Summarizes what we have come up with so far?

Or there could be separate headings such as: (for example)

1. What is spiritual activism?
2. What we want to accomplish, specific goals?
3. How and When we can do that? Specific projects (several excellent ideas have been suggested and I hope we can follow thru on them....)

Something like Dream did when she organized the Book Read thread.

The thread Ecu has started was the seed thread and then we go to a working thread. I don't mean to hijack her idea or thread. I just want to keep her idea alive. Maybe someone can start the project who has the time and organizational skills to keep it going? Just an idea... I hope we can keep the energy and ideas going and actually start a project we can work on....

[japple]

99. Hi Cassie. What do you think about just incorporating

this into the Monthly Prayer Thread? Whenever anyone felt that positive energy needed to be sent somewhere (i.e., *, the planet, the UN, Al Gore) they could post to that thread, then we could all concentrate our energy on that entity. Maybe we could set a specific time so that we were all sending our energy at the same time, it would be more effective, for example, between 5:00 and 10:00 p.m. each Tuesday. That way, more people could participate.

[cassiepriam]

100. Yes, some of us have been doing this already, but we could make it more

structured like the method you suggest.

And to make it more flexible we could even pick one day of the week,
or the first and third Mondays, or something like that.....

[Ecumenist]

102. Yes, I think that that's what we need to do...

Make it a tangible project.