Mars coming to a conjunction with Pluto Jan 22 to Jan 28 and

[Pallas180]

then separating, but some effect still for a few days--

January 25th is a full moon adding to off the wall - road rage - and rage in general accompanying the Full Moon, and Mars coming to a conjunction with Pluto in Sag.

The exact conjunction of Mars conj Pluto will occurr at 12:44 PM on
Friday Jan 28.

What does it mean?

Look at your Sag house - for instance if it's third house, you want to be careful of arguments, careful driving - stay out of bad neighborhoods

If it were your 9th house, you might not want to take an airplane trip on that day..or not get into a discussion of foreign affairs

Of course, if it were your 5th or 8th house, that could be very sexy..
or taking a big gamble - casinos or stock market -

2nd house - a wild spending spree?

1st house - hey - temper, temper - bumping into things? might use all that energy in physical projects you've meant to get around to.

feel free to add on -

Pallas

[2Design]

1. how about the other houses :):):)

10th and 11th - half in each

[Pallas180]

4. 28 ERL - okay

how about the other houses?

You tell us something about them.

Tell us what you think it might mean.

Lots of astrology sites with key words online for signs, houses, and
planets.

Best way to learn astrology.

Work with it. :)

:hi:

[hippiechick]

14. Pallas ~

Not to sound even more stupid than I actually am, but I have my natal chart, and am reading through this site http://soulcenteredastrology.com/docs/houses_of_natal_chart.htm

but can't for the life of me figure out which is the 'first house', 'second house', etc ...

Any clues or sites for the layperson would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks !!! :hug:

[Pallas180]

20. Hey there Hippiechick - The first house is what is called

the rising house on the horizon.

That explains a lot, eh what?


Look at the chart, the circle that it is.

Imagine drawing a line across the center of it, horizontally.

On the left of that line is the "first house" also called the Ascendant and also called the Rising Sign.

On the right of that line is the 7th house.

Now, look at the circle again, and draw a line down from the top of it to the bottom of it. The top of the line is called the Media Coeli, (think Latin or Italian-meaning "mid sky").

So the top of that line is what we are always referring to as the MC.
The top of your chart, the 10th house, the career house, status house.

On the bottom of that line is the 4th house, (also called the Imum Coeli or the IC) the house of the home and the end of matters.

So now you have two lines intersecting making 4 quarters, right?

draw in two equal lines in each quarter.

and you have the second, third, fourth , fifth, sixth house and so on.

The counting of the houses goes counter clockwise.

So after the first house, the second house line is below, (at what would be 8 o'clock on a clock, and so on.

I'll find a site that shows the houses and come back with a URL.


HERE YA GO - exactly what you're looking for.

:hi:

[hippiechick]

23. Thanks for your help and your patience !

I swear, I'll figure this out one of these days !!!

:hug:

[Pallas180]

5. 23 Saggitarius. I should have mentioned the conjunction is at 23 Sag

so look at what house 23 Sag falls in, in your chart, and what it
aspects...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

6. Thanks for clarifying!Just checked, and it falls in my 3rd house.

And :hi: right back at you! :)

[2Design]

15. ok here goes

transiting mars and pluto
trines saturn/leo/7th, conjuncts jupiter/sag/11th, opp uranus/gem/5th

transiting uranus
opp mars/virgo/7th

transiting mars
sextiles mercury/aq/1st

tr sun conj sun

11th house - the individual in groups maintains own identity and that identity is strengthen when used for the good of the whole group

7th - the world's reaction to the individual
http://www.atomicastrologer.com/astrology_general/houses/seventh.htm
In the 1st House the individual expresses energy into the world. In the 7th House the world reacts and the individual intimately experiences the consequences of those actions. This “mirror” helps to define one’s place in the world and increases objectivity and self-awareness.

5th - the enjoyment of creating and expressing who you are in the world - your ability to create is more important than your creations
http://www.atomicastrologer.com/astrology_general/houses/fifth.htm
Joy and the pleasure of expressing yourself. This house describes the release of our internal energies in the world, leading us to feel alive and fulfilled.

Mars = action
Pluto = understanding self past/present/future and actions and reactions from the world

Uranus = surprizes to wake us up and help us look through the telescope from the other end and see things differently

_______________________________

My first thought because of what you said about ka boom - was I would have fight with a worker or close friend (11th - 7th)

My second thought with all this snow/ice/weather is an accident - I am currently travelling and on the road - moving from place to place - I am schedule to be somewhere saturday but am postponing my driving

But this transit is happening all this week with culmination on Friday, my birthday

___________________________

My stab at this =

an awakening or awareness because of outside circumstances will 'force' me to see more of the individual creativity that is needed in the world and that will help me become more impassioned with life - well I guess this is a wish - not chart reading

let me try again
pluto/mars conjunct - action from the depth of my soul will help my creativity of self (5th) by communicating (1st//mercury) with myself - my true desires

_______________
In the past when uranus was at a trigger point - it seemed authority figures would jump in my face and circumstances end and I have to find another path - but this thinking is victim thinking and does not serve me - so there must be another way to look at this - sometimes I see that it pushes me out of the (nest) safety - and forces me to scramble - but fear rises up - must be a better way or a better interpretation

but there definitely is a lot going on in my chart

[Pallas180]

21. 28 ERL - bravo for a good try - I just gave a site up there to

Hippie Chic which looks fairly cryptic.

Mars/Pluto - can be pretty sexy or pretty rough.

And you're right - Uranus very often can be a govt figure.

Best to keep it simple with keywords.

I think you're right about being very careful about traveling under these transits - mars/uranus can be accidents, sudden , unexpected,
and Mars/Pluto can get people involved in nasty powerplays...

but they're your transits and giving YOU the power...

remember what astrology says: if you don;t use the energy of the transit yourself, someone will come along and use it, possibly against you.

On the other hand these are very strong energies, meaning you could come on too strong....so I think the best thing to do is use it up
in physical energy....house need cleaning? driveway need shoveling?

of course, the involvement of mars/uranus/pluto with the first, fifth, and seventh can be very very sexy - so if you have a sweety, that could make a nice weekend :0

:hi:

[2Design]

24. relooking - just about every planet is being triggered right now

Your link to hippie chick was not there

I am on the road last month, this month and the next month - my things are in storage and I am in search of where I want to live and what to do

even though my sun sign is uranus ruled - how can I better use the energy of the planets? It has mostly felt like they are acting on me - so I could use some guidance -

With the orbs - just about every planet in my chart is in play at this time - being triggered by the outer planets

Transiting uranus at 05pisces
affects
sun 07aquarius in 1st
mars 05virgo in 7th
Moon 08virgo in 7th

transiting neptune 14aquarius
affects
pluto 13leo int 7th
neptune 12libra in 8th
venus 12pisces in 1st

transiting pluto/mars 23sag
transiting Jupiter 18libra
transiting saturn 22cancer
affects
mercury 23aquarius in 1st
saturn 20leo in 7th
jupiter 20sag in 11th
uranus 22gemini in 5th

north node at 19taurus might be more out of range of the orbs but you were mentioning you sometimes go up to 5 degrees

I have no idea where chiron is - the chart maker I have does not show it

I was thinking today that it is 1st, 7th but the faith of the 11th and 8th with the creativity of the 5th

Seems to be something about faith, belief, creativity with self and someone or something else

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

2. Thank you for this Pallas. :)

[Pallas180]

3. Waving to you all

:hi:

[Dover]

7. Interesting developments this coming week.....

Colin Powell's son Michael 'retired' from his FCC job today. Don't know yet whether that was expected or not.

As for next week...it looks like the Dems are delaying Condi's confirmation so that they can have their say and ask their questions. Will this just be a bunch of grandstanding to win points from their constituency or is there more going on?
The NYT said that regardless of the continuation of the hearings she is expected to be confirmed on Wednesday.

However there are some interesting transits this week in the U.S. chart, so we may actually get some surprises...though whether or not it is related to the Condi Rice issue I can't say.

Besides the Mars/Pluto conjunction which is in square to U.S. 10th House natal Neptune (which could certainly indicate some behind the scenes scheming and power plays...or some unexpected covert attack), transiting Mercury will conjunct the U.S. 2nd Hs. Pluto and the transiting Sun will conjunct the South node which is also in the second house (personal resources and values).

However transiting retrograde Saturn is forming a sextile to the U.S. Neptune (which may be related to some incident at the end of last August when Saturn sextiled this point in direct motion...the Republican convention?) AND transiting Neptune is trining natal Saturn...so there are simultaneously, on two fronts, a set of ideals which are attempting to be made manifest and brought into reality.

What could it mean?

Also interesting...if memory serves me, Nancy mentioned that Cheney has some difficult transits coming up having to do with the Moon and Saturn, I think.

Hmmmm....

[Pallas180]

12. Yeah, I caught that about Powell Jr quitting also - and thought

to myself, he's got to leave cause he doesn't have Daddy there to run
interference for him anymore.

There's no question the only reason he had the job on FCC was because
of his father....and when Powell Sr was not playing ball with the admin, there were planted news articles about how Powell Jr. was not doing a good job (which he wasn't anyway at any time) but I took it as a threat to his daddy that they would make mincemeat out of his son.

Meanwhile I seem to recall something about Mercury and Pluto having to do with the stockmarket of the US and with the aspects Dover mentions...I think we can expect the market to take a dive.

ON EDIT

yup - we're right about the financial "problems" for the US - today's article:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005012114490002900304&dt=20050121144900&w=RTR&coview=


Dow set for worst new-year losing streak since '82

NEW YORK (Reuters) -

The Dow Jones was looking set to close lower for the week Friday -- marking the first time in more than 20 years it has fallen for the first three weeks of the start of a year.

Dow Jones Indexes said the last time the Dow had fallen for the first three weeks of a year was 1982.

A weak January could set the tone for the months ahead, said Robert Drust, managing director of listed trading at regional investment bank Wedbush Morgan"


wasn't that the period of time that interest rates rose to 18% or was it earlier than Reagan's coronation?

[stellanoir]

8. It's in my 4th

I'm gonna nuke my home.

Reply to post #6. . .In the third. . . watch your words and consider some proactive action. . .straighten out some long term misunderstandings. . .especially ones that have transpired over the last couple years or so. . .writing clarifications may be slightly better than direct contact as you might over react a bit.

Great aspect to be still operational for totally bogus elections in Iraq eh?

It's happening in the fourth house of the Provisional Iraqi (Puppet) Government as well.

Ba boom.

Joking but not minimizing the mess over there by any means.
I think it's utterly tragic.

[Pallas180]

10. Hi Stranger. Welcome back Stella noir - nice to see ya again - been on

vacation? ? :)

"Ba Boom"

Nope - that sure aint no joke - Mars/Pluto IS ka boom, ba boom, ccccrash.

which is why we tell people to stay out of bad neighborhoods, careful driving etc...

I'd consider Iraq a bad neighbor hood, wouldn't you?

[Trailrider1951]

9. Hmmm, in my 5th house, conjunct my natal Mercury

And trine my natal Pluto that sits right on my ascendent. Lotto tickets?? Or just wink at the guy at work who keeps following me around?:shrug:

[Pallas180]

11. Trailrider - don;t do any winking under these aspects - :)

it'll be taken as more of an invitation than you meant -

If it was mars/pluto trine your jupiter/pluto - chances at the lottery... but I dont think mars/pluto trine pluto/ascendant is it.

more likely you'll find every ape within a 50 mile radius coming onto you as you'll be exuding pheromones or something....

stay out of biker bars. :)

[Pallas180]

13. YIKES - I was just looking at Mars/Pluto on the 28th - but look at

this from Mountain Astrologer:

"January 28, 2005 -

This chart could have a sharp bite, so we need to be alert. This time, Mars, the Moon, Vesta, and Lilith (Black Moon) join Neptune and Pluto's septile pattern. The Mars-Pluto conjunction is quincunx Saturn (and sextile Juno, to complete a yod); therefore, issues of overpowering force and restraint come to the fore.

Explosions are possible, and extreme rage due to frustration is also a danger. Saturn opposes the conjunction of Venus, Mercury, and Chiron. There may be loss of property or a need to think differently about something because of upsetting information. Figurative or literal earthquakes are in the news. Jupiter is approaching its first square to Saturn since the May 2000 conjunction of the two giant planets. Perhaps the economy is also reacting to the U.S. president's new programs."

****

Septiles are interesting - and deadly. Moutain Astrologer thinks the next decade is going to be the decade of Septiles. Septiles were very much involved in the Tsunami deaths by water.

Anybody google any info on "Septile + astrology" ?

[Dover]

16. Here's an article on the Full Moon I came across...a little lighter fare.

This year, the normally fun and playful Full Moon in Leo is surrounded by a whole lot of planets in selfless and serious signs! We have a Venus/Mercury/Chiron conjunction in ever serious Capricorn opposing Saturn in Cancer, reminding us that just two weeks ago we were hard at work setting goals and now is not the time to slack off and play. Additionally, the Leo Full Moon is inconjunct Uranus in Pisces, the ever-present reminder of our own personal insignificance when compared with the power of nature (the tsunami). So though Leo rules creative self-actualization, personal power, and the beauty and magnetism of personal vision, there is so much to be concerned about in our world that thinking about our own desires and/or having a grand old time may not seem like such a great idea. However, whether it is due to Leo's incredibly big need to be seen and loved, or its own healthy dose of narcissism, the Leo Full Moon won't give up without a real fight for our attention....cont'd

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisfullmoon.htm

[tlcandie]

26. Pallas...here's one google... septile+astrology

Astrology Weird Zones for January-February-March-April 2005 for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces

by Robert Wilkinson

While talking with a friend on the phone this morning, he commented that he had never been in a time that seemed so weird. Nothing seems to make any sense, and the sense of unreality and uncertainty as to what to do has never been so strong. I reminded him that I've noticed in the news that many are comparing this period with the 1930's, and that the similarities can be found in the angular relationship between Neptune and Pluto, resulting in what I've termed "The Grand Irrationality." This relationship, the septile, often indicates irrational, or obsessive-compulsive tendencies in the people and situations in which this aspect is active. It is associated with critical forks in the road in one's life, and is termed a "destiny-producing" aspect. It is destiny-producing in that it challenges us to choose between different roads, or pathways, that will affect our character and therefore our destiny. It is said that as we make our character we make our destiny.

This time, involving the outermost transpersonal collective transformative energies, is throwing us all a certain urgency of choice, and even not to choose will have drastic repercussions down our road of development. This septile is part of a larger patterns involving points in Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, and Aquarius. The latter signs are occupied by Pluto and Neptune respectively, setting the foundation of the larger pattern triggered by the transit of the other planets over the hot zone spans in each of these signs.

<snip>
Even though Saturn only retrogrades back to 21 Cancer and is therefore technically outside of the hot zone established in 2004, it will still be triseptile Pluto throughout February and March 2005, thus stretching the septile configuration hot zone a little further out than we've been experiencing. So you can bet that as we get further into the next few months, it's only going to get weirder and weirder. I do believe we will see instant karma made manifest to a greater degree, since our choices will create non-rational effects when these areas of our lives are involved. Again, it's all about choices that are shaping our future character, and therefore our destiny.
<snip>

:hi:

EDIT: LINK...
http://blogs.salon.com/0003573/stories/2005/01/04/astrologyWeirdZonesForJanuaryfebruarymarchapril2005ForAriesTaurusGeminiCancerLeoVirgoLibraScorpioSagittariusCapricornAquariusAndPisces.html

Link within the linked page...

http://blogs.salon.com/0003573/stories/2004/10/26/astrologyHotZonesInNovember2004TheGrandIrrationalityAtWorkOnUsAll.html
Astrology Hot Zones in November 2004 - The Grand Irrationality At Work On Us All
<snip>
Due to the on-going Neptune septile Pluto, we have greater irrationality on a global level than at any time since it last happened during the '30s and the rise of Fascism and other authoritarian models. Jupiter's station at 9 Virgo in May 2004 established 3 points of the Great Septile pattern, and created some hot zones in our charts wherever these points fall. These points fall roughly at 7-11 Virgo, 29 Libra-3 Scorpio, 19-23 Sagittarius, 11-15 Aquarius, 3-7 Aries, 25-29 Taurus, and 15-19 Cancer.

Any planets in your chart that fall near these points has been activated by major irrationality during the past year. Any time we've had a transit of these points, it has triggered the pattern. Septiles, biseptiles, and triseptiles all deal with the irrational, "destiny producing" forks in the road we all confront at various times of crisis and decision. While each aspect has its unique function within the series, they all show as obsessive-compulsive urges, experiences, and interactions at the ego level, and major points of choice and irrevocable change in our lives on a dharma level.

Sun signs at these points are those born the first week of September, late October early November, mid-December, early February, late March, mid-May, and early to mid July. It especially is freaking out people with Pluto, Uranus, or Saturn in these degree spans. For Pluto, it affects those born mid 1926-early 1927, mid 1927-mid 1930, early 1931, December 1959, mid 1960-late 1962, February 1963-August 1963, November 1982-April 1983, September 1983-November 1984, May 1985-September 1985, and those born now, since Pluto is currently in that span. For Uranus, it affects those born mid 1927-29, mid 1940-42, mid 1952-54, mid 1963-65, late 1974-76, late 1985-87, and 1998-99. Expect very strange occurrences to bring forth your uniqueness or genius, even if things seem way out of control and make no sense at all. You're individuating, and either cooperating or exploding sideways or both.


Lastly .. link for lots of great information/stories regarding astrology for 2005!!!

http://blogs.salon.com/0003573/stories/index.html

[Pallas180]

28. Interesting find Candie.

I didn't know Salon had finally gotten an astrology column.

I've never heard of Wilkinson ...but you have to chuckle at his
prognostication that people undergoing Pluto, Uranus, or Saturn transits are "freaking out". Quel Surprise :)

[pacifictiger]

17. Just realized

I've got chiron at 23 Sag in the 11th. Not too sure of the chiron energy here - can anyone help me interpret this?

[Pallas180]

18. Mars/Pluto conjunct Chiron in the 11th ? You're not going to

the Lincoln theater to see John Wilkes Booth play Hamlet are you?

I mean, you don;t want to be in crowds (11th house) with those aspects do you?

It also seems to be to be one of those aspects and positions (11th house wishes) of "Be careful what you ask for because you may get it"

A time to be especially careful of thoughts and words you put out into the either.

[divineorder]

19. Three degrees: still in orb?

I have Sun in Libra (11th) at 20 Libra, and Jupiter in Virgo in the 10th at 20. So, if its in orb, it sextiles my Sun and squares my Jupiter. During the exact square, I worked at lot, both outside and inside my home.

[Pallas180]

22. Divine Order - hello. How're you? New here? Welcome. Good

use of the Mars/Pluto square to your Jupiter...and you're having another one....yup, very much within orb.

To your Sun is a sextile right?

I'm not one to give big orbs of influence to all planets, but when you're dealing with the big planets, meaning the outers...I do give them more than normal...normal would be a 5, with Mars firing up Pluto you could even give it a 7 orb...and Uranus you always feel coming AND going. Famous for having a last kick after it has passed
the point in your chart affected.

[pacifictiger]

25. thanks

for the input Pallas. Appreciate it.

[WolverineDG]

27. thanks for the heads' up

sag is in the house that governs travel for me & i just got back from a work-related trip to austin. i paid extra-careful attention while driving & i must say that i couldn't believe the number of suicidal/homicidal maniacs who seemed hell-bent on smashing into me at one point or another & considering i've driven through austin & san antonio many times & seen all kinds of wild driving, that's saying A LOT. all i could think of at one point is that i'd stumbled on the secret to invisibility because how can you be looking RIGHT AT AN ON-COMING VEHICLE AND STILL TURN IN FRONT OF IT???? :shrug:

we have maniac drivers in my hometown too, so i'll continue to pay extra-careful attention until this thing passes.

thanks again
dg

[Pallas180]

29. Nuclear Reactor leaking and closed down today - I believe

it was in Michigan.

That's Pluto - atomic and Neptune leaking gas - and Uranus is likely in there somewhere for radiation.

Reported on Headline News

[linazelle]

30. Exact conjunction of Pluto and Mars to my Sun in the 1st house

Yikes!

I have to meet with my CEO Friday, and with another person to start a new project. I think that project will start off with a big bang if nothing else.

Besides that, I'm going to be extra careful and extra patient.

[Pallas180]

31. Wahoo Linazelle - with that kind of energy

you could probably lift a car, ala superman!

[davsand]

32. My sixth house is Sag.

I have no planets in that house that show up over at Atrodienst.

According to Atomic astrologer, the sixth house is:

"The 6th House is where we improve ourselves through devoted work and service to others. Here, practicality and responsibility provide disciplined training for the individual that lead to wisdom and compassion. It also determines profession, the work place and its day-to-day activities."

Does this mean I need to worry over my job during this period? I'm working on another hospital exemption case and now I'm getting paranoid about pissing off those folks!


Laura

[Pallas180]

33. "Getting paranoid about pissing off those folks" -

Laura,

Have I yelled at you this week yet? :)

Everybody in the world is having a Mars Pluto transit. It is in everybody's chart someplace. So there will be activity in that area
of life. It doesn't necessarily mean it will be activity that happens to YOU...it could be in your environment - and NOT you.

I find it interesting that you work with "institutions".

Old astrology used to call the 6th -12th house axis "serve of suffer"
meaning give service or need service. Fulfilling what the chart c alled for in these charts meant working in institutions, i.e., schools, hospitals, nursing, doctoring etc etc.

I have 12th house planets, and as a matter of fact the ruler of my 6th is in my 12th. I give service through matters that are hidden (12th house) astrology, etc.

Do you have planets in the 12th house? or is the ruler of the 6th in the 12th?

Anyway, whatever, you're doing something right - so stop taking every transit so personally....it's your house, the energies are coming to your house, USE THEM rather than someone else picking them up and using them.

The wonderful thing about being an astrologer, learning astrology, is that you can look at your transits coming very dispassionately. You know what they mean, and you know how to and that you will handle the transit.

[davsand]

38. Paranoia comes with the turf.

I have literally been warned by a couple of reporters to be careful about my safety given the "qualities" of some of the folks I've pissed off with the hospital exemption cases. I think the reporters are being a bit over dramatic, but anything is possible, I guess...

Anyhow, to answer your question, my Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus are all in my Eleventh House. I don't have any planets in my 12th.

Uranus and Pluto are in the Third House, Neptune in the Fifth, and Jupiter and Saturn are in the Seventh House. Mars is in the Tenth House.

I have to laugh, however, because, YES, I work with and within institutions. One of the really neat things about what I'm doing is I am using the laws to force a system to WORK for people who need it--and I am part of the government (yet another system!)

I am a WONK and proud of it!!! :)

Laura

[Pallas180]

39. Dear Wonk, :0

I don;t think I've ever seen a chart with Uranus and Pluto in the
third house.

To say you speak with power - and maybe shockingly - seems to me to be an understatement.

I would suggest that you always drive a government car with govt tags on it...that would fulfill some of what the third house calls for..

I don't understand what "hospital exemption" is and I would be interested in knowing Laura.

I once knew a reporter who exposed some local govt shenanigans - and used to look under his truck every morning before he started it.

When reporters warn you - they tend to have their ears to the rumbling on the railroad tracks - keep it in mind and go with your gut hunches.

Always listen to your gut hunches...fleeting thoughts ...feelings in the stomach .

[davsand]

42. We are working to force hospitals to be the charities they say they are.

I'll be happy to explain it all in great detail someplace where I'm not threadjacking, but the short and sweet version is I am a government employee and we are working to regain some local control over the local non-profit hospitals.

Hospitals apply for property tax exemptions (a huge savings for them) and in return for those exemptions they are supposed to give charity care back to the community that supports them.

What we have actually had locally has been hospitals who sue poor people (below poverty level) hospitals that have people arrested if they miss a payment to the hospital, and a situation where people who have no insurance have been refused treatment.

I feel that if you want the benefits of being a charity yu better ACT like one.

It is dirty, it is ugly and we opened a huge national debate with what we did. We had a local religious hospital stripped of its exemptions. The American Hospital Association has come out in opposition to what we did, as have a few other business organizations.

I am willing to give links to articles online if you like--but I do not want to jack your thread...


I'm working on another case like it right now. THAT is why I'm a bit nervous.

Peace to you.

Laura

[Pallas180]

44. Laura - I would say that's giving service BIGtime! and it's

wonderful. A true spiritual service for the benefit of humanity - and the poor.

Pull the white light down around you, know that you are doing angels'
work - and that you are protected. That doesn't mean that you're not careful and pay attention to feelings/passing thoughts, gut feelings, and hunches. Ask for "guidance" - as a matter of fact, ask your guide to make contact with you and to keep you safe, contact whether through dreams or messages.
Pay attention to spots from the corner of your eyes and listen through your left ear.

What a blessing you are doing. There should be one of you in every county in America!!!

I'll tell you a funny story. I used to have to do a lot of traveling on the road for a job..long trips, overnight trips, on major highways to places I didn't know. I was always afraid of the major highways because of the 14 wheelers...I had never gone out of a certain area and traveled before.

I asked for my guide to protect me when there was danger. You made me remember this. I hadn't thought about it in a long time, and I haven't seen the particular spirit guide I'm about to tell you about
since those traveling days. Well one day I wasn't feeling right about driving, but I had to be there - so I asked for protection if there was danger - and what appeared on the hood of my car, but a bigger than life Indian warrior in spirit (I'm laughing as I remember this) like a giant hood ornament - and from that day on whenever there was danger in travel - there that hood ornament would be...and no, I didn;t drive a pontiac. :)

Ask Laura, and see who shows up.

[Pallas180]

34. Mars-Pluto on the world scene -

for the past four months the lava dome on Mt. St. Helen's has been growing - and some seismic activity has been noted.

Full Moon's which we have today, affect lava rising, and water's rising too - whether the Mars Pluto conjunction three days after the full moon will affect Mt. St. Helen's will bear watching.

This is where astromapping or astrocartography can come in to see if
crossing points of Mars and Pluto affect that area of the world.

[Pallas180]

35. close _ in the western US - but no cigar yet-

massive train crash involving three trains in California...but we're not to the 28th yet.

[NJCher]

36. oh man, look at this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1185572

31 people killed, mostly Marines, they think. Six others dead in other violence.

I just cannot believe this fool continues in office and the American people tolerate this. This is insane. I am so angry I am tonguetied.


Cher

[Pallas180]

37. One week after inauguration his approval is 42 percent - so tell me

how he got elected?

IMHO - he didn't get elected.

Who (astrologer) was it that said Clinton would be the last truly elected president?

[NEOBuckeye]

40. So maybe after the revolution, we'll get a Prime Minister?

I know, I'm being an optimist. :)

But honestly, given the triple threat combination of economic collapse, energy crisis and global warming that we face, I think we'll be lucky if we can hold this country together until the 2008 Primaries. The US is pretty much bankrupt at this point, and Bush's delusional, reckless overtures towards Iran are probably going to be all the incentive that China and the EU need to pull the financial plug on the Dollar and call our debts due, which pretty much brings the curtain down on the "United States-as-Superpower" era. And some people thought the collapse of the Soviet Union was a surprise.

One way or another, things as we now know them aren't going to last much longer. The status quo simply cannot be maintained.

[Pallas180]

41. Even for a moron, I can't

understand his thinking.

What is his motive to bankrupt the country and while bankrupting, and removing jobs, taking away the New Deal safety net of Social Security?

Kruschev must be sitting up in his grave and laughing with glee. His
dreams come true.

Suspicious mind that I have, and mind you dimson is completing the plans pappy had, could it be possible this Nazi loving family is taking its revenge?

On Edit: did you read the New York Times report on the Economic
Summitt at Davos. Bush didn't send ANY representative and the entire summitt was about the US going bankrupt.

[NEOBuckeye]

45. Pallas, lots of people have speculated that revenge is the Bush motive

Granddaddy Prescott Bush didn't take too kindly to FDR giving the order to shut down his business for being a Nazi sympathizer. It seems, he never could appreciate what exactly was so evil about providing funding and support to Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime. My guess is probably that it had something to do with his own personal, narcissistic notions of ethnic and racial superiority, as well as the usual insecure lust for money and power. He was an Aristocrat, after all, with strong blue blooded lineage connecting him with the British Royal Family. At any rate, Prescott was embarrassed and humiliated, and the Bush family name, tarnished. He was, in short, devestated and angered by FDR (and probably felt that Roosevelt was a traitor to his own lineage).

Supposedly, Prescott soon encouraged his son, George Herbert Walker, to enlist in the military in WWII, and later, to seek influential roles in government, in order to avenge and restore "honor" to the Bush family name and to attain genuine power and respect among all. Needless to say, that hasn't been the most saintly journey for the now former President George H. W. Bush, whose firstborn son now holds the chief executiveship of the US. But given George Sr's past role as head of the CIA and his current connections with the arms-dealing Carlyle Group, it's hard for me to imagine that this 80 year-old man is taking that much of a hands-off approach to his son's residency. Rather, quite the contrary, I would say. He does know where all of the bodies are buried, after all.

But never allow yourself to be decieved by the somewhat pleasant demeanor of this seemingly kind, grandfatherly old man. For beneath George Herbert Walker Bush's facade lies the cunning of a fox and the cold blood of a snake. Very similar holds true for the "down-home" front put up by his entire family, phony and manufactured to make them appear as "down-to-earth" heartland folk who just happen to be in politics (not to mention native, blue blooded yankees). Amazing how many people still fall for that one.

As you suggested, Pallas, I think the Bush II residency is in no small part about getting revenge against Bush family enemies who have apparently slighted or wronged them in some way, from Franklin Roosevelt, up to and (obviously) including Saddam Hussein. There are other driving motives as well, I am certain, not the least of those being the classic insecurity, lust for power, control and domination complex. But lots of people dream of conquering the world. The whole honor/vengeance theme with the Bushes, however, seems to quite literally be the gasoline (no pun intended) that propells the entire criminal enterprise forward.

Someday, this very tangled story of the Bushes will likely (and hopefully) be the subject of numerous Shakesperian-esque plays and novels.

On the other hand, we do already have MacBeth.

[NEOBuckeye]

46. Didn't read that report on the Summit...

But somehow, it's not surprising. I just don't quite know what these people are thinking right now, if they really are so delusional that they truly believe that they can go on like this forever. Maybe they really do think that they can invade and take over Iran and its' oil reserves. Even if it means going through China, Russia, the EU and Iran itself to do it.

Madness.

[Pallas180]

43. Neo, are you referring to this global warming article reporting the US oil

lobby is funding attacks on global warming scientists?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/science/story/0,12996,1399585,00.html

[NEOBuckeye]

47. As I suggested earlier, these people are either totally delusional,

Or they simply don't care what happens to the world, which still sounds totally delusional to me, seeing as how the Earth is the only planet we've got.

I know I've suggested this before, but the entire Big Oil/Military-Industrial Complex/Bush Family Evil Empire regime more and more makes me think of a very desperate, end stage drug addict. You know, the one whose desperate need for a fix has driven him to sell out his family and lay waste to his house and home (America & Planet Earth), burn all of his life savings (the U.S. Treasury) and retirement (Social Security), and turn to outright crime and robbery (Iraq & Afghanistan) just to keep up his fix. There's a ton of delusion there, too, that the drug (Oil) will be able to keep giving the drugee (Bush, Cheney and Co. & the powers that be) whatever it is that they are looking for.

[2Design]

48. thinking tonight of the challenger explosion

years ago on jan 28th - it is almost like what you are saying with this mars/pluto - something that the whole world feels

[Pallas180]

50. 28 erl - NASA kept sending "spaceships" up on

Mercury Retrograde.

As I remember that was the case with the Challenger, Merc Rx.

And every one of the ones that had problems, which was almost all of
them was the same thing. Merc retro.

Incredibly stupid.

[Pallas180]

49. The conjunction was at 12:44 PM and everything seems fairly quiet -

leading up to the conjunction seems to have been more active with accidents and explosions.

Now the thing to watch at 23 Sagittarius is any eclipse within orb,
Moon, Mars, or the Sun passing 23 Sagittarius which would trigger
the Mars/Pluto conjunction (for that matter, any planet could trigger it)

The elections in Iraq are already taking place - they're 8 hours ahead of us I think, and we are not yet hearing of terrible violence.
(of course that may mean nothing since we in America no longer receive
uncensored news.

[NJCher]

51. well, then, I have a question for you

re this:

...leading up to the conjunction seems to have been more active with accidents and explosions.

I was reading a projection of my horoscope at Astrodienst the other night and it described how I'd be feeling about things starting in March 2005. Well, guess what, I've already begun feeling those things.

So the question is do the forces falling into the alignment precipitate the event or is event precipitated by the actual conjunction?

In my experience,it's the former. But some would argue that this just gives astrologers more "wriggle room."



Cher

[Pallas180]

52. Hi NJ Cher -

I don't know which planet AStrodienst was mentioning as of March,
but if it was one of the outer planets: Neptune, Uranus, Pluto and
even Saturn - yes you certainly begin feeling it when it is getting within orb of your planets' degree....what orb? depends -
many people begin to respond to Pluto long before its close - maybe even 4 degrees away - Uranus would have a smaller orb - Neptune is
funny but not funny ha ha because it just kinda sneaks up on you and you dont know you're going through some neptunian thing - someone else has to tell you - :)

what do they say? the stars do not compel - supposedly they (their energies, gravity, ions don't precipitate any event - (but I'm not so sure about that - )

but the answer to what I think you are asking is : the waxing conjunction...as the two planets are coming together, gaining steam
is parallel with events occurring and occurring more frequently until the exact conjunction happens and then less frequently as the waning (passing of the point of conjunction) occurrs.

[NJCher]

53. thanks!

...thinking on this.


Cher