Quick astro question on our favorite dwarf planet

[rumpel]

Pluto trine Pluto is in my chart now

astrodienst's explanation was "Up to You", whether to use the energies...etc

any other thoughts on this? Thanks.

(sorry to post and run, but I'll be back later) :hi:

[Why Syzygy]

1. hmm.

I hate to look stupid, but that never stops me. How does a planet triune itself? I'm pretty sure I won't understand the explanation. But will be dazzled in the array of brilliance displayed. I'm selfish like that.

[cassiepriam]

13. Transiting Pluto aspects your natal Pluto.

Your natal chart is how the sky looked at the moment of your birth.
A snapshot of your birth stars. When just that is looked at, it is called a natal reading.

But of course the stars change constantly, and that current movement of the planets can be compared to the way the stars looked the minute you were born.
These are called transits, when the current planets come near your natal planets.

It is actually much more complicated with solar returns, progressions, transits, etc. But I think you get the idea.

[Why Syzygy]

15. I wish I got the idea

I'm pretty sure if I would sit still long enough, it would finally ring. I'm glad there are other people here who know and can go with OP. Meanwhile, I just sit and ask questions.

It reminds me of when an ex-bf taught me to handicap horses. There is massive information in that little book you buy when you go in. When they trained. Are they on lasix. What was their mud vs. dry track records. He got impatient because I had to ask more than once. I usually just said, give me pink, and got a winner. His turn to be frustrated.

I might really have to sit down and look at angles. Oh crap. Now it's reminding me of shooting pool! Never got the angles. Don't know how I aced geometry.

What I don't know is how ya'll know when the planets are getting close to your natal planets. I can use Stella's suggestion on google. The information is out there.

I'm just going to sit still, look puzzled and listen to you guys.

[emcguffie]

16. You ask the computer and it tells you.

Used to be you kept an ephemeris handy.

It still is useful. I don't have one anymore, and I sure wish I did. You just look in it and see where the planets are on any given day, either at midnight or at noon -- you buy a noon ephemeris or a midnight ephemeris.

But computers will tell you.

[Why Syzygy]

19. oh duh. should have known!

My ex-rm had an ephermis book. He looked in there and told me where everything was and what it was doing. I guess that's why I'm a lazy non-astrologer. I lived with one. Explains a lot.

I did not know there are two versions of ephemeris?

I read my transits on astro.com. But they never make a lot of sense. Nothing specific. That's what bugs me.

I remember this particular wonderful roommate getting all excited when Jupiter was transiting his ascendent. Or something. He said, big things are going to happen! The giant planet is getting ready to make things happen. He was always so expectant when that happened. But. Cannot say it actually made any difference in his life. He is still pretty much the same as always. sigh

[cassiepriam]

20. It is much easier if you can actually look at it....

and there are books that list all the planetary transits.
But computers do a lot of the work now. And you don't really have to
measure angles, that is all done for you if you cannot do it yourself.

You can go to astro.com and do your natal chart.
You just type in your birth info and they do all the work.
It has many options on types of charts to look at,
and one is natal and transits and then you can just look
at the chart and it shows you the current planetary line up
compared to your natal chart.

I think everyone should at least know what their natal chart looks
like and what it means. It is a gift from God, a snapshot of your
karma and soul purpose. Handed to you on the day you were born!

[stellanoir]

2. I once heard Pluto/Scorpio described as "the yard sale of the zodiac":

aka it standardly being referred to as ruling "sex, death, regeneration, and other people's money."

Understand that it doesn't mean physical death but those many transformations most of us experience many times throughout life like, endings of relationships, moving our residences, shifts in conciousness, etc.

In it's rougher angles, it typically strips away all of that which we are overly attached to that has ceased to serve our highest purpose.

For those of us with a lot of Scorpio in our charts, its as though "give us this day our daily transformational experience" can become an incessant mantra. I always marvel over the "new borns" claim that they only had one rebirth in the course of a whole frigging life time.

Go figure.

Aside from all of that, ideally, Pluto rules self mastery. That may be what that reference is really all about.

This is a generic transit.

It's a phase of life wherein you can integrate, incorporate, and manifest ALL of your latent gifts and potentials.

Wishing you great fun with it. :hug:

[Why Syzygy]

3. okay. wait

Cut me some slack as a non-astrologer person.

Pluto rules Scorpio?

I miss my ex-rm so. He knew all this stuff.
I can't just go lean over the banister and ask, hey, what does this mean, any more. :( Ya'll are stuck with me.

[stellanoir]

4. Yup

Mars and Pluto are co rulers of Scorpio.

With the emphasis being put on Pluto but there is a strong relationship between the two. Thus making Scorpio and Aries two of the more "potent" signs.

[Why Syzygy]

5. What would be cool ...

if any are up to it, is a mini course in astrology. That probably isn't practical.

It seems to me that ex-rm taught that the outer planets, that transit slowly, have long term effects. Wasn't Clinton a Scorpio? I adore Aries. Scorps kinda scare me.

Mars is war, right? Or conflict? So who rules Aries?

I'm simple. I'm ruled by the Sun. I'm sorry for the naysayers, but that is the way it is. A lot of strong moon influence. So you can see why I'm confused with the other planets. Except Mercury. Was married to a Gemini, so I get it.

What is a 'potent' sign?

[stellanoir]

6. No that is not practical. Astrology is an "experiential art.."

Clinton is a Leo. Hillary is a Scorp. Most Sun sign astrology is mostly BS. IMHO

Only an imbalanced Mars is warlike. A healthy one feels as though it has something unique to offer the world. No planet is fully represented by a singular energy or phenomenon.

Mars rules Aries and co rules Scorpio. It also rules our motivation, sports, testoterone, adrenelin, the immune system, and the solar plexus, among many other things.

I've written before at length about Martian energy.

A "potent" sign is a strong one.

Yes outermost planets move slooooooooooowly.

Oh-and a planet trines itself by transit when it has traveled 120 degrees or 240 degrees around the zodiac from its natal position.

Google is your friend.

[Pathwalker]

8. Here's some links to Astrological Terms, Votes.

Maybe they can help.

http://www.astrologycom.com/glossary.html

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/glossary.html

http://www.astrocenter.com/us/AstroGlossary.aspx?Af=0

http://www.djay.com/astrol/ap_12.html

http://astrologynotes.org/Glossary_of_astrological_terms

Pluto tine Pluto means that Transitting Pluto(where it is currently) is trining(120 degrees - a good aspect)where Pluto was when you were born(natal chart). Where the planet is now compared to where it was on day you were born.

[Why Syzygy]

11. I will look at those

and thanks so much for putting them here. But I think I have to accept that I'm an astrology dingle berry. Your last sentence... I loved geometry, and angles. But we were dealing with stationary objects. And I don't have a compass any more :( dayum .. I've been working on the 'houses' for years now. I get dizzy.

[cassiepriam]

14. We have talked about an astrology tutorial here on the forum.

Not sure if any one else is up for it....

[Pathwalker]

7. "Give us this day our daily transformational

experience." Ha - I love it, because it's SO true! Perfect! Thanks, Stellanoir!
Maybe those who've only had one rebirth in their life just aren't trying hard enough... :rofl:

Pluto trine Pluto sounds like fun - a perfect time to make important life changes - The Force is With You, so to speak.

[rumpel]

10. or are freshmen

;)


thanks, NB, and I am all up for it.

[rumpel]

9. ok,

on the death, rebirth factor I was thinking along the lines of perhaps what I came to do, learn or contribute in this lifetime is now coming to a conclusion stage, especially dealing with the darker side of things?
Whether it is from the within or without experience.

Considering also the Mayan calendar, we are now in the "Ethics" consciousness stage, so generally, we are seeing the abuses exposed, which hopefully leads to transformations. However some will probably see it to mean the "end", apocalypse.

Did you say "other people's money"? Hmmm, considering the theft and scams experiences in this lifetime and my project struggling to attract investors or loans - and also on the collective experience level - this makes me ponder

and wow, speaking of such: However, Pluto's orbit is so eccentric that this can vary dramatically, from 25 years in Cancer (1913 - 1938) to a mere 12 years in Scorpio (1983 - 1995), when its orbit was actually closer to the sun than Neptune's. this is exactly the time I was married and when the divorce was finalized! Considering the ongoing court proceedings on this - on edit: this may in fact conclude. :)

I am hopeful! Justice, equality for All!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_in_astrology#Pluto

I will roll up my sleeves.

thanks

:hug:

[stellanoir]

12. One of the great illusions of the zodiac is that Pluto is the outermost

(though now "dwarfed" planet) when more often than not it is within the orbit of Neptune.

Similarly, many share the illusion that power, money, and status is the ultimate goal, yet when one has opportunity to interact with people in those elevated positions, they are often tortured by hustlers and pretenders, and sometimes self destruct, perhaps due to the deeper knowledge that all are inherently equal.

It's odd, in this culture that so often reveres and rewards selfishness and greed that some "celebrities" who work, and work, and work for recognition, only to spend a rather huge percentage of their income on publicists, personal assistants, body guards, and security systems to buffer themselves from that very recognition.

I dunno but it smacks of idolatry and borderline cannibalism (extreme exageration.) Infamy is far more intriguing to me.

Put people on pedastals only to be engulfed by their shadows and tear them down. How boring.

An old friend's father was in the Nixon administration. His primary goal after the debacle of Watergate was to compose and conduct a symphony.

That is one of my fave stories of how true transcendence, redemption, inspiration, and lasting amelioration often comes through art (Neptune) and not through the illusion of power (Pluto.)

There is a delightful creation myth I learned of when reading Liz Greene's "Astrology of Fate" many, many years ago. I'm paraphrasing from long term memory here, but basically the God and the Goddess were negotiating their respective jurisdictions of influence. The Goddess grants the God most of the powers. He goes skipping away all inflated and full of himself.

What he doesn't realize is that the Goddess has held on to three not so little things. Those things would be fate, time, and the weather.

tra la la

rumpel, Look to wherever you have Pluto, Scorpio, or whatever planets you have in the 8th house, the rulerships within, the aspects, and you'll see the dynamic contributing to the "other people's money" restrictions and stuff and you'll also perhaps see how it is you may access a long lost legacy. I'll access mine if you access yours okay. . .?

PM me if that's too obscure.

best

[emcguffie]

17. That book is what snagged me into astrology.

I was in a difficult period in life.

I went to Weiser's bookshop, which is gone, I think.

I looked down at a shelf, and there was that book, "The Astrology of Fate", and it was saying "Buy me, buy me!" And I did. Great book. Hooked me, it did.

I also really enjoyed reading Steven -- is it Forrest? Arroyo? I must be mixing two people up here. My books are in the attic somewhere. I hope. I hope my husband has not disposed of them.

[stellanoir]

18. I've had that happen with books before as well.

Yup, they're two different Stevens. Forrest is still active. Haven't heard anything about Arroyo in years though loved his initial 3 books. Maybe I'll go google him.

oooooooo hubby is a neat freak? Yikes.

Batton down the hatches then. :)

[rumpel]

22. hmmm

I actually read this a couple of night ago - and it sent me straight to astro to read up some more - Neptune - until my brain started its shutdown procedures for the day...natal Neptune is near transiting Neptune also, in Scorpio. No transiting planets in the 8th. Natal is Sun and Venus in Aries.

that person with the Nixon administration sounds like an interesting person...

but I am certainly waiting and believe we have been watching, self destruction in progress these days...and still many will not understand why.

Yup - and so he did "He goes skipping away all inflated and full of himself" :rofl:

thanks

[Why Syzygy]

25. No astrolgoer

as you know ..

But Sun and Venus in Aries? . schowza . I would take cover . or get undressed .

Am I right?

ed: or both?

[cassiepriam]

21. What house is Pluto transiting and what else is it aspecting?

[rumpel]

23. sorry getting back so late...

Pluto is transiting the 12th, and I have intently read up on the 12th on Dream's thread...
and I have been trying to see and comprehend. What I do not quite understand are the different styles of charts at astrodienst - totally confused now.
This is from their default style, natal & transits

Pluto Leo 28° 4’49"R 12

it is trine Sun
trine Venus
Quintile Mars
Sextile Neptune

[Sanity Claws]

24. Same here

This trine is probably affecting a lot of people because Pluto is such a slow moving planet.