ASTROLOGY TOPIC DISCUSSION: Topic 1 - The Astrological Houses

[I Have A Dream]

NOTE: If you don’t have your own astrological chart and you’d like to have it to reference throughout these discussions, you may go to a site such as www.astro.com to create it yourself. If you’re uncomfortable creating it yourself, I will create it for you if you PM me your date of birth, time of birth, and location of birth. If you don’t have your time of birth, a chart can still be created for you; it just won’t have as much detail as it would have if you knew your birth time.

The first astrological topic that we will discuss as part of our “ASTROLOGY TOPICS” threads series is the concept of Astrological Houses.

I’m going to give some really basic information which is just to start the conversation. (Please note that I’m simply taking information from sites on the web, so I’m not an expert and can’t actually answer questions myself.)

Here’s some information: (Note that it is just one person's definition of what the particular houses represent.)

What is meant by the Astrological Houses ?

The basic main components of a birth chart are the planets, signs and houses. The planets each have meaning as does the sign the Sun was in at the time of your birth, (your Sun Sign). The twelve divisions of the Birth Chart, (or horoscope) are called the Astrological Houses and indicate the areas of life where the planetary energies become manifest.

The Houses carry a theme based on the signs that are part of the natural order of the Zodiac i.e. Aries equates with the First House, Taurus the Second, Gemini the Third, Cancer the Fourth, Leo the Fifth, Virgo the Sixth, Libra the Seventh, Scorpio the Eighth, Sagittarius the Ninth, Capricorn the Tenth, Aquarius the Eleventh, and Pisces the Twelfth.

The beauty of astrology is in the simplicity and connectedness of the systems it uses, which are multi-levelled but carry universal themes which translate to our life's experiences as individuals. There are many different house systems that can be used, but the house position all depend on an accurate time of birth. This is why the time of birth is important as it sets the chart within a twenty four hour period. Without a time of birth, an astrologer can only work with planets in signs, but not know where in the life these exist. Here is a simple description of each of the House meanings:

First House

This is the House where we meet the world and is known also as the rising sign. It can describe our physical appearance or image and planets in this house are used to communicate something about the individuality of the person. For example, Mercury here would indicate that a person needs to communicate through speech and writing to express their individuality. There is an impulsive quality here, where we just are and are immediately recognised by the sign qualities expressed.

(continued at link below)
http://www.annabelburton.com/astrology_houses.html

Please discuss.



(By the way, please feel free to PM me with suggestions as to what topics to untimately include in this series of threads, things that aren't working for you, etc.)

[I Have A Dream]

1. What does it mean when there's more than one sign in a house?

(I expect that this is the case for the vast majority of people.) For example, my first house (ascendant) is ruled by Scorpio, but a third of it is in Sagittarius. I know that this is relevant in reference to the actual planets that are in the house because some could be in Scorpio and some could be in Satigttarius, but does it affect the house issues themselves?

Thanks!

[rumpel]

4. I have been reading the material on astro

under the title: Mapping The Psyche

Cardinal, fixed and mutable natures
(excerpt)

In astrology, the three forces or modes are known as cardinal, fixed and mutable; or initiating, resisting and mediating or accommodating. In exactly the same way, when the birth chart is divided into three, the 120º aspect known as the trine describes relationship, resolution and harmony. If we consider the first three signs of the zodiac, the primal force is Aries, cardinal fire, followed by the equally powerful resistance of the second sign of Taurus, fixed earth, creating a polarity which is only resolved by the third sign of Gemini, mutable air, with its ability to relate, communicate and to mediate between the two opposing forces without taking sides. This same theme is repeated around the zodiac, with cardinal energy followed by fixed energy and resolved by mutable energy, whether this is Cancer, Leo and Virgo; Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius; or Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces.

Each sign of the zodiac is either cardinal, fixed or mutable. You can see from this diagram that we can now add the modes to the polarities, which gives us another level of information with which to understand the meaning of the zodiac signs.

We have already identified the signs according to their polarity, and the modes describe an additional level of orientation and motivation. The motivation of the cardinal signs of Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn is to initiate and to achieve. The motivation of the fixed signs of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius is to resist and stabilise, and the motivation of the mutable signs of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces is to adapt, mediate and reconcile.

http://www.astro.com/mtp/mtp81_e.htm

Now that you mention that, I realized that the AC changes the degrees on all Houses to straddle 2 houses - Mine is so smack center - I erroneously must have assumed that is just where it belongs for everyone. Duh. My progressed AC also must have moved from natal Virgo further into Libra due to a physical geographical move, as I understand it...

In that context it sounds like forces within a house - which dominates or is it an indicator of constant transformation and learning of a particular element?

Here is an explanation I looked up the other day:

Like the Sun-sign, progressing the chart will change the sign on the cusp of the first house, your Ascendant. It will also bring influences of the new sign into play upon the personality in changing, modifying, and "blending" experiences. Each time a new sign "rises" on the first house, you may feel a little disoriented, especially during the first year or two. This is because different methods, or "styles" of operating in interpersonal and business transactions can vary considerably under the influence of different Rising signs. Since the Ascendant represents the face (the "Mask") we show the world, others may begin to see us in a different light before we become aware of any changes in ourselves.

Unlike the Sun's thirty-year cycle, the change cycles of the Ascendant may not be as predictable as the Sun, since the houses may have more, or less, than thirty degrees. Casting the chart for the place of residence instead of the birthplace can also affect the degree of the Ascendant. The exact time of changes from the birth chart Ascendant and from the progressed Rising-signs can be difficult to trace when changes of residence are extreme.

The Rising sign in the Progressed chart determines the signs on the houses, just as it does in the Natal chart. Each time the Ascendant changes, the sign on the cusps of the other eleven houses may change, also. The interpretations of the signs on the houses will give some clues regarding the affairs of each house during the year for which the Progressed chart is cast. These signs on the cusps may not change very much from year to year unless you move your place of residence a significant distance from one geographic location to another.

http://www.artcharts.com/catalog/samples/secondary_progressed_uma.html

Looking forward to answers to your question from the pros

[Why Syzygy]

7. why is it I am

so dense on these things? Rhetorical question.

Maybe because I'm a "fixed" Leo?

I had to take remedial algebra. Great teacher. And I could call my son and ask how is x supposed to equal z plus minus eeek. It made sense when I could write it down. Abstract is so very difficult.

But I will enjoy the thread all the same.

As long as I'm telling, if I do not write down something, I don't know it. I am that learning restricted. Hell on wheels once I write it down though. Where's my notebook? ;)

[I Have A Dream]

10. votes, I'm the same way with having to write things down.

It's just the way our brains work; there's nothing wrong with it. It's the same way with directions -- I absolutely have to write them down.

It's good that you know how your brain works. :)

[DemExpat]

20. About writing things down.....

I am completing my degree this October, and at this stage of my life - middle age - I have had to practically re-write all of my courses in order to retain the major themes, arguments and issues!

My 2 young adult children laugh at (and pity me) my reams and reams of notebooks, sticky notes, mind maps, and index cards I use to try to make course material stick.

So far I'm doing well, but feel very "learning restricted" to have to do it this way! :crazy:

And will be so happy when I have my degree that it is over and I don't have to rewrite whole courses anymore! :D:D:D

:hi:

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

32. There is a lot of material to cover in astrology. Most of us have to take notes!

[cassiepriam]

33. Yes, it is the case for most people. (with some exceptions, to be explained later)

And while the ruler is determined by the sign on the cusp,
another sign in the house has an impact as well, especially if it contain planets.

[Sweet Freedom]

2. The First House shows your outward character traits.

The First House shows your outward character traits. Any planet in the first house will give you the traits of the sign that this planet rules.

Sun in the First House: gives you the traits of Leo, wanting attention and to be in the center of things at all times.

Moon in the First House: gives you the traits of the sign of Cancer, moody, sensitive, and with an "instinctive" approach to everything.

Mercury in the First House: usually gives you the traits of the sign of Gemini and, to a lesser extent, Virgo. There will tend to be a constant need to communicate and move around. This one always seems to be talking, writing, and running all over the place.

Venus in the First House: usually gives you the traits of the sign of Libra, and to a lesser extent, Taurus. The Libra side is artistic and charming but this position makes it more difficult to take action alone. The Taurus side is more self indulgent. On the negative side, there is a tendency to be lazy and a pleasure addict.

More:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/firsthouse.htm

[Why Syzygy]

5. Call me really numb

but isn't the first house the sign of the sun planet? I hope I'm wrong.

It could be that I am so overwhelemed with Leo every freaking where that I really have a hard time with the other placements. I think Leo is in my first house, rising, sun. That's just not right.
NO ONE needs that much Leo. Unless you want to play broadway. ugh.

I'm depressed tonight.

[Sweet Freedom]

8. Do you have a chart?

It will tell you your sun sign and house placements. I must admit, I know diddly about astrology (I just remembered that I had bookmarked the site I linked to.)

(I got mine from astro.com)

[Why Syzygy]

14. Yes, I have a chart

and a dear friend even did a reading for it. I posted it on some thread around here.
Sorry, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense. I had a lot of 'mother' issues. Which, happily seemed to have resolved.

Do you think, or has Cassie even said this, that the chart is a snapshot of your birth moment? And a chart to work out while we are here, under the stars?

I need to tell you, I'm not happy with the houses that my planets are in. Oh no.
I would so much rather ... something else.

I would like some premise. What are we trying to do, for example.

Abraham says we are here for Joy. I dunno.

[Matariki]

15. The first house is the sign on the horizon when you are born

If you are born at or around sunrise, then your sun-sign and rising sign would be the same, otherwise no. Astrologers writing horoscopes for newspaper columns will often treat the sun-sign as the first house but these are obviously not personalized. And in vedic astrology it's valid to do extra charts placing the moon-sign or sun-sign in the first house but these are supplemental charts.

Hope that helps.

[I Have A Dream]

16. votes, I hope that you're feeling better today.

I'm not an expert on any of this, but it's my understanding that the First House is ruled by the rising sign ('ascendant' is another term that means the same thing as 'rising sign'). Just coincidentally, your rising sign is the same as the sign in which your Sun is located.

My rising sign is Scorpio, and my Sun Sign is Capricorn. Because of this, my First House is ruled by Scorpio. My Sun is in the Third House because it is ruled by Capricorn in my chart. (See below for an explanation.)

As I said earlier, the person's rising sign is automatically the ruler of the First House in a person's astrological chart (which for me, is Scorpio). The Second House is then automatically ruled by the next sign, the Third House is then automatically ruled by the sign after that, etc.


Here's an example using my chart's information, where my rising sign is Scorpio:

House - Sign that Rules the House
First - Scorpio
Second - Sagittarius
Third - Capricorn
Fourth - Aquarius
Fifth - Pisces
Sixth - Aries
Seventh - Taurus
Eighth - Gemini
Ninth - Cancer
Tenth - Leo
Eleventh - Virgo
Twelfth - Libra


If the person's rising sign is Leo, the information is as follows:

House - Sign that Rules the House
First - Leo
Second - Virgo
Third - Libra
Fourth - Scorpio
Fifth - Sagittarius
Sixth - Capricorn
Seventh - Aquarius
Eighth - Pisces
Ninth - Aries
Tenth - Taurus
Eleventh - Gemini
Twelvth - Cancer


I hope that this makes sense. We'll be having a topic specifically on the rising sign/ascendant.

If anyone sees anything that I've said that's not correct, please correct me.

[Sweet Freedom]

3. More

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheHouses.htm

Signs affect HOW a planet operates. HOUSES show WHERE planets are working, in WHAT AREA of your life they are having an effect. Houses have no special names to memorize. They are simply numbered one through twelve, and each house has similarities to its corresponding sign. For instance, sign number five, Leo, is the SIGN of romance and creativity in general. In your horoscope, HOUSE number five shows in particular what your romantic life is like. Astrologers probably get asked more about this house than any other.

[Why Syzygy]

6. Dream .. thank you for doing this

really sweet.

Wow. I really appreciate it.

[Sweet Freedom]

9. I may be jumping ahead, but since it's "house" related...

I just noticed something in my chart I never noticed before:

Planetary positionsplanet sign degree motion
Sun Capricorn 12°27'38 end of house 5 direct
Moon Cancer 4°15'53 in house 11 direct
Mercury Capricorn 27°42'07 in house 6 direct
Venus Aquarius 27°56'58 in house 7 direct
Mars Scorpio 2°19'43 in house 4 direct
Jupiter Libra 5°34'19 in house 3 direct
Saturn Aries 18°50'27 in house 9 direct
Uranus Libra 3°59'43 in house 3 stationary (R)
Neptune Scorpio 27°50'13 in house 4 direct
Pluto Virgo 25°05'58 in house 2 retrograde
True Node Aries 4°08'33 in house 9 retrograde
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

I'm assuming it (the bolded text) refers to the notation after my sun sign (end of house 5 direct), but does anyone know what it means?

[Sanity Claws]

19. Good question

I understand that if the ascendant is late in the house, one should read the horoscopes as though it was in the next house. However, is there any other reason why one should interpret planets at the end of the house as though they were in the next house?

Also, what if the planet is at the end of a sign, not house? Does that affect the interpretation?

[cassiepriam]

34. It just means that your sun was so close to the next house they just

used that interpretation. Usually I use both house interpretations in those cases. But others may do it differently.

[cassiepriam]

11. A few suggestions....

I am not an astrologer, but I know a little bit about the topic.
And I have been an educator in other fields, so I know how to teach!

Stick to basics first. I suggest that you keep to natal chart info and not try to get into transits and progressions at first. Progressions and relocation astrology are very complicated and are only going to confuse beginners.

Once you understand the basics you can venture into the complex material.

[hippiechick]

12. This is so amazingly helpful ... Thank you!

Maybe now I'll finally be able to make sense of my chart!


:applause: :grouphug: :applause: :grouphug:

[cassiepriam]

13. Astrology Basics

http://astrology.horoscope.com/horoscopes/astrology-basics.html

[wickfordbard]

17. Okay everyone, slow down and take a breath.

You're trying to do too many things at once. As Cassie said, stick to basics. Astrology is so vast and complicated. So begin at the beginning. Talk about the 1st house. Then go on to the second etc.

You can't have a bad house placement - just more complicated or easy. The birth chart is your blueprint for this lifetime, so don't pick on the planets placements. You chose them. See their potential. And the task they've assigned you. (or you assigned yourself.)

So, the beginning is: The ascendent is what's coming up over the horizon at the moment of birth. This gives you your view of life. And therefore how others view you. Imagine this: you're a little baby and you pop out of your momma and voila, it's a (put any sign here) world! I have a Gemini ascendent, so I see the world as a fascinating place full of information for me to pick up and pass on. And other's see me as a storyteller.

Someone with a Scorpio asc. would come out of the womb with a more suspicious view of things - like, wow, let me hold back a moment and check out what's going on before I let on what I think. A Leo asc. comes out and says, Hey, everyone, the Queen/King has arrived! Let's have fun. And remember, I'm special.

I suggest everyone look at their ascendent and put those glasses on and see their world for a moment. And then report back.

What are the Aries seeing about the world? The Taurus'? Wouldn't it be interesting to hear what each ascendent has to say.


then we can look at the rest of the houses before we even talk about planets and signs.

[I Have A Dream]

18. I think that it would be better if a person who was actually an astrologer...

was coordinating this rather than me, because I'm going back and forth as to how to approach this. Originally, I was only going to talk about the first house in this initial thread, but then I didn't know how to do that without presenting the entire concept of the houses first. In my opinion, houses don't make any sense if the concept of houses isn't explained.

I was thinking that we could then talk about each individual house as separate threads/topics.

Thanks for your feedback, wickfordbard.

[DemExpat]

21. Bless you for trying to set this up, IHAD.....

I wouldn't know where to start or how to keep it simple and focussed either.

:hug: :loveya:

DemEx

[Pathwalker]

23. We tried this before and these are the problems

we faced then, too. It's a complex subject and not easy to understand, but kudos to you for trying. Give it time - it'll work out. Thank you for your efforts!
:hi:

[I Have A Dream]

24. Thanks, NB. If this has already been done, does it need to be done again?

I wasn't aware of this fact.

:hi:

[Pathwalker]

27. I don't see why not - it was a long time ago.

We have many new people who weren't here then who have expressed an interest in the subject, so I think it's a good idea to try it again and see how it goes. You're wonderful for doing this, and the complexity of the subject will no doubt lead us this way and that, but what the hey! I also think you're doing a fine job, so I say - keep up the good work!!!

[DemExpat]

22. Welcome, wickfordbard! My ascendant - rising sign is Cancer

so is this my First House, or does First House mean the planets themselves (and aspects) that are in this House?

Sorry if this question is so simple that I shouldn't even be asking it! :crazy:

:hi:

DemEx

[I Have A Dream]

28. DemEx, I'm sure that wickfordbard's answer will be much better than mine.

However, since I posted something about this upthread in response to votesomemore's question about the same issue, I thought that I'd post a link to it. (It's not to take the place of her response but rather just putting my understanding in the mix.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=34463&mesg_id=34545

Your question is a very good question, in my opinion.

(Again, I'm pretty sure that this is correct, but I'm not an astrologer.)

[DemExpat]

29. Thanks, IHAD, I had read and understood that the ruler of the 1st House

is the Rising Sign - I was just wondering if planets and other stuff would be part of the topic "First House" as well....

Sorry, I can't be clear because even though I have long had my chart drawn up, and have used astrology often for psychological and relational guidance, I haven't put the time and focus into really studying the blueprint of it all.

Perhaps if we do start out discussing our rising signs in the First House and what this might mean?
Then the other Houses, and after that other planets etc. within these Houses?

And I too have no real idea what a "House" really means.....

DemEx

[I Have A Dream]

30. Sounds like a plan, DemEx. I just posted some basic information about the...

signs and the planets just to get that out of the way so that we can move forward with the specific houses. Do you think that we need to have a separate topic on the ascendant first, or do you think that this should be combined into one topic like 'The First House and the Ascendant'?

Thanks for your feedback. I want to be sure that the approach that I'm taking is what will work for everyone who is interested. It's so difficult to determine what the topic divisions should be!

When you say that you have no real idea of what a "house" really means, I'm a little confused. Are you able to explain in more detail what you feel needs to be explained further so that I can try to find a way to get you an answer? What part is missing in the OP that might help explain it further? (I know that I'm asking a lot here since I'm saying "Please explain why you don't understand this." :))

Thanks again!

[DemExpat]

31. LOL....it is hard to explain what I don't understand.....

.....but the 12 signs represent the 12 months, what do the 12 Houses represent? and why/how were they created for what purpose?

Sorry, I feel so dense in dealing with this material...:D:D:D


I'm really smart. I know a whole lot, but I just can't think of it. (Morey Amsterdam)


:rofl:

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

36. The signs represent the constellations of the zodiac,

not the 12 months.

Astrologers believe that the stars in the heavens
have a profound impact on what happens on Earth.

And the houses represent where cosmic energy will
manifest for each person.

Astrology is highly symbolic code, so you have to be
patient as you learn and read!

[cassiepriam]

25. Wicky I was just going to say the same thing. BREATHE EVERYBODY.

I hate to see students melt down on the first day of class :(

[cassiepriam]

26. The houses are easy to picture.

The natal chart is round, a circle.

Picture a pie, with 12 slices cut into the pie.
Each "slice" is called a house. And the numbering starts at the left side of the pie.

Dream: I cannot find a simple picture of the natal chart with the houses numbered. If you can find one it might help. Just the round circle with the number of each house in the correct place.

[cassiepriam]

35. Picture of the houses

[rumpel]

37. Ok. My AC is 15º into Virgo

Apparently Virgo is very quiet, analytical, critical and gentle. The most important thing to Virgo people is service, and have the need to feel they have something to contribute - something worthwhile. Love small animals and grow things.

maybe true - except I love all animals and prefer larger animals - I appreciate when the little orchids faithfully bloom - sometimes continously :)

now, it says in the astro reading: "Ascendant in Virgo, Mercury in the Ninth House"
since Virgo is ruled by Mercury - I guess one has to see where Mercury was at the time of birth.

Mercury represents reason, reasonableness (common sense), that which is rational. It stands for the spoken and written word, putting in order, weighing and evaluating, the process of learning and skills. 

I forgot where I got it from but this is an explanation I have archived to study:

The houses represent mundane position, or the relationship of the planets to the Earth at the time of birth. As the Earth rotates, the Sun appears to rise and set, and the houses also change. Therefore, you need a pretty accurate birth time (within 10 minutes or so) to be certain of the position of your house cusps.
The thick horizontal line which runs through the middle of the chart represents the horizon, or sunrise and sunset. This line forms the cusp of the 1st house (you) on the left side of the chart, and the 7th house (others) on the right side. It divides day from night.

First house: The house of Self
YOU
Planets here show the personality or character attributes. One’s outlook on life. Appearance, mannerisms. Early childhood.

Now, in figuring out the personality part, what does this relationship (on edit: with Mercury) mean? Is it the driving force of the personality or is it a goal, lesson? Or is this the part, where an astrologer's intuitionn comes to play?

[wickfordbard]

38. Sorry this is short. I'm on my way out to meet my mom.

If Virgo is on your Ascendent, then Mercury is your chart ruler, because Mercury rules Virgo. So you are aligned with Mercury's energy and areas of life, like thinking, talking, communicating, doing business, being a trickster or a magus. Mercury in Virgo is much more the alchemist than he is in Gemini.

Virgo's rose colored glasses are: I belong to myself, I like to keep to myself, this world is made up of many types of people. And I can be of service to them. I need to be of service to them. My mind can be of service to them. etc. etc.

Gotta go. Keep playing with the first house. Who am I? How do I see the world? How does the world experience me?

[rumpel]

52. thanks, wickfordbard

the problem I can get into with this is when I feel I am not being able to do much -
the feeling of being useless - that is certainly when frustration sets in.

[cassiepriam]

53. I cannot tell you how many times I threw my astrology books across the room

in frustration. When I cool off I always go back to them. I am hooked.

[cassiepriam]

39. You are getting into more complicated material, but will try to give you some answers!

Starting with houses was like starting in the middle of the semester! And then many of you are all going to more advanced topics, so it is a topsy turvy educational experience! But here goes:

1. Each sign has a ruling planet. This is important to know!
Below is a list of planetary rulers in bold.

2. Every chart has a chart ruler, and it is the ruling sign of the ASC. This is a very important placement and affects all other parts of the chart.

With your chart ruler in the 9h it means you are going to be interested in religious and philosophical affairs and that will be a strong piece of who you are.

Also keep in mind that while we are breaking the chart down into pieces for the sake of assessment and learning, at some point each piece has to be examined in the context of the whole chart. For example I also have a Virgo ASC but much of my chart is water and that changes the way the Virgo may manifest. My Virgo squishes when it walks:. And my Virgo ASC is probably the only reason I am semi sane!


http://www.lunarliving.org/moon/chartrulers.shtml http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/sign-rulerships.html



The Planet that rules the Sign on the Ascendant of your Natal chart is called the Chart Ruler and its placement in your chart strongly affects all other parts of the chart.

Planetary Rulers
PLANETARY RULERS OF THE ZODIAC SIGNS
In astrology, each zodiac sign has a ruling planet. The following shows the planets that rule each sign. Note that we've added the classical rulers of signs in brackets. These rulers were assigned to the signs before Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto were discovered. These classical rulers are still used by some astrologers. Note also that some planets rule two signs.
Aries - Mars
Taurus - Venus
Gemini - Mercury
Cancer - Moon
Leo - Sun
Virgo - Mercury
Libra - Venus
Scorpio - Pluto (Mars)
Sagittarius - Jupiter
Capricorn - Saturn
Aquarius - Uranus (Saturn)
Pisces - Neptune (Jupiter)
When interpreting a birth chart, the "chart ruler" is the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, or first house. For example, if Aries is the Ascendant, the chart ruler would be Mars. If Taurus is found on the second house, then Venus is said to rule the second house. If Gemini were on the second house, then Mercury rules the second house.
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[stellanoir]

40. Hey cassie

Isn't it funny that you and I and rumps have virtually the exact same ascendant? Maybe we can all hold cyber hands through the approaching Uranus transit or something. :hi:

edited to correct punctuation, such a Virgo rising am I.

[cassiepriam]

41. I was thinking exactly the same thing. Funny isn't it?

Maybe we could just be medicated thruout the transit :)

[stellanoir]

42. LOL & awww. . . Come on cass. . .

You won't want to miss a single thrill seeking minute of it I assure you. I'm psyched about it especially in light of the energies hovering now.

[LaurenG]

43. What does it portend?

I'm a virgo with a leo ascendent so I may not have the same fun that you three will, but what does it mean? :)

[stellanoir]

45. Uranus will be transiting our descendants

in March, October, and late December & early January. The descendant represents the mirror through which we see ourself so it has to do with those with whom we are intimate (not necessarily on a physical level.)

So we may experience some revelations and breakthroughs with regards to our dynamics with other especially SO's.

Dunno about rumpel and cass but I'm feeling as though my love life is about to resemble Mr. Toad's Wild. LOL

If your curious, PM me your data OB and I'll let you know when Uranus will oppose your Sun if it hasn't already.

[rumpel]

54. wow, sounds like

we will need something strong.

don't have love life at all, by choice though.

[stellanoir]

61. that could more than likely change and ps

neither had I.

[cassiepriam]

46. I hate amusement parks and all the rides.....

thrills don't amuse me :(

The most exciting thing I like to do is
meditate and listen to healing music!

PS Ura is taking a nice slow walk thru my Pisces stellium, gathering up steam I suppose as it aims for the asc oppo. :(

[stellanoir]

47. Then maybe your meditations will grow increasingly "cartoony" like mine : )

or maybe you'll finally accept your enlightenment or something.

And cass, BTW, OB's Sun/Venus are at 15, 16 degrees (respectively) as well. Isn't that funny.? No wonder it's so often like the mutual admiration society around here.

[cassiepriam]

49. It gets more and more interesting... same degree virgo club :)

And don't forget all the grand trines and kites on the forum as well.....

[Pathwalker]

50. Why is my Saturn on your ascendants?

I don't want to be a party-pooper!
I think the reason I love Astrology so much is because it taught me to embrace Saturn in Virgo, and what it represents. And what did I miss about the Uranus transit? help! Am I getting a Saturn/Uranus opposition? Uh-oh!

[stellanoir]

55. You are hardly a party pooper dear.

And the attribute I've always admired about Saturn's in Virgo is their gift of brevity.

A gift I sorely lack.

Yup you're getting a Saturn/Uranus opposition in the time frame I suggested to cass and rumpel upthread about thr tranit to our mutual Descendants..

You can totaly transcend limitations in a truly unprecedented way. So have fun with it.

[u4ic]

51. Mine is

25 Aries ascendant; 0 Mars in Leo in the 4th (also conjunct Jupiter in Cancer there) - square the ASC.

My hair had a red cast when I was younger; red is my favourite colour, and the one that looks best on me. Got the ram's horns/eyebrows thing going on, too.

[rumpel]

56. u4ic, my sign is Aries

but I have a dislike or shall I say avoidance to red - It is fine with me to look at red items as accents or certainly flowers etc but I would not be able to surround myself with it, like interior decoration, certainly not wall paint or clothes.

Maybe it is instictive and to keep me from taking over the position of a bull in the fighting ring? :)

and how interesting that the traits of a general sign, it seems, is stronger when it is the sign of the AC.

[u4ic]

58. Do you like earth tones?

I noticed you have a Virgo ASC.

Does red set you off? :)

What you would look good in would definitely be influenced by the ASC, but I think one's choice of colours in general is ruled by their Venus.

[rumpel]

60. yes- earth tones or

what my daughter refers to as poo poo color :rofl:

on edit to add: red makes me restless and nervous.

[rumpel]

57. cassie, that is interesting

especially the "classic" part before the discovery of the other planets - I wonder whether there was a major shift in consciousness or realization that came with each discovery.

The warrior - reflecting its agressive ways - and change to Pluto's death and rebirth etc.

[cassiepriam]

62. Astrology is dynamic and changing

as the field grows and matures and as new planets are discovered (or deleted! as in the recent case of Pluto.)

As yes the theory is that as the heavens change so do we. What happens in the sky impacts earth functioning.

[Sweet Freedom]

44. Terminology question

Astro lists my house positions as:

Ascendant Leo 13°38'26
2nd House Virgo 4°23'14
3rd House Libra 0°07'14
Imum Coeli Scorpio 2°18'47
5th House Sagittarius 8°59'40
6th House Capricorn 13°57'11
Descendant Aquarius 13°38'26
8th House Pisces 4°23'14
9th House Aries 0°07'14
Medium Coeli Taurus 2°18'47
11th House Gemini 8°59'40
12th House Cancer 13°57'11

I assume Imum Coeli the 4th house, Descendent the 7th and Medium Coeli the 10th, but why are they named differently and what do the terms mean? (Forgive me if it's been addressed. Lots of new info posted! You may point me to the thread if it has.)

[I Have A Dream]

48. This hasn't been addressed yet, but I'll give you what I have.

This is from the following: http://www.astralaspects.com/aspects.htm.

The Descendant is the opposite point to the Ascendant in your chart. It is the point where external reality impacts in your inner world, as the light dips beneath the horizon. Whereas the Ascendant is concerned with your instinctive self stamping itself on the world, the Descendant shows your self in relation to others -- what you seek, consciously or otherwise, from relationships. It symbolizes aspects of yourself that you may look for others to provide.

The Midheaven (or Medium Coeli) marks the degree of the sign directly overhead the moment you were born. It reveals your energies at their most elevated, and therefore signifies your aspirations; qualities you strive to develop in order to impress; the direction you wish to take; your conscious goals; your need for public recognition and social position; your ambitions and career or vocation. Its opposite point is known as the Imum Coeli (IC).

The Imum Coeli (or IC) signifies the exact opposite of the Midheaven: your least consciously acknowledged self; the roots of your being; your deepest motivations; your past and family conditioning. Whereas the Midheaven generally describes the direction in which you are heading, the IC shows the direction from which you are coming.

We'll be discussing these terms in future topics.

[rumpel]

59. this makes me curious

I have to look up mine - never quite understood this either.

on edit: upon checking, I definitely will have questions in the future on this. :) Thanks

[Matariki]

63. My Ascendant is exactly 0 degrees Aries

I have always seemed to bounce back and forth between a shy Pieces demeanor and an aggressive, even bossy Aries personality. But having sun plus 3 planets in Virgo keeps the Aries pushiness in check a bit ;-)