Big gut feeling here about the Bush administration.

[Cleita]

I think they have a big guillotine hovering over them if they make any missteps in the Middle East in securing all the oil and water reserves there. I think they are sold lock stock and barrel to shadowy global interests that we here call the illuminati. This is why Bush is losing his mind and why he has aged so much over the last years. It's pure fear of what will happen to him if he doesn't deliver before his term is up. For obvious reasons I can't post this in GD, but is anyone here feeling the same about this?

[Sanity Claws]

1. Yes

I also think that he is beholden to others. Whether the powers that be are the Illuminati, I'm not so sure. He is now concerned about his legacy and is trying to wrest control from them -- see how he keeps saying he's the decider? He's bucking the Iraq Study Group. I think the powers that be will get rid of him, somehow, because he's not following what they want him to do. I know someone who had a vision of him being carried out on a gurney. As time goes by, I think she's right.

[Cleita]

4. That was me. I still feel strongly this will happen.

I can't figure out when.

[Sanity Claws]

6. Actually another person also had that vision

I checked your profile to make sure you are not the person I was thinking of. The other person with the same vision is in Seattle.

[Cleita]

9. So there is at least two of us tuning into this.

I wonder how many others?

[stellanoir]

2. yup truly

n/t

[Cleita]

5. Thanks. It's nice to know I'm not alone. n/t

[stellanoir]

10. No you are not alone.

The conjunctions of both Venus/Chiron & Mars/Pluto & the Galactic Center may have had an amazing impact. To say nothing of the "ooga, booga, wooga, smooga" chant and it's revival and empowerment in form over the weekend.

tra la la and too funny

Kill 'em with kindness and humor. It works like a charm. Or at least it will over time.

[Pathwalker]

3. Wouldn't a war against Iran have enourmous potential

to totally ruin such a plan? I know everyone seems to act like Iran will just roll over, But think that is a fool's gamble. Iran has a much larger popultation, the majority of whom are under thirty, how many shots across the Straits of Hormuz do they need to hits some ships - and seriously ruin the "Illuminati's" plans? Or is that part of the plan, too? I sometimes wonder if the destruction of America isn't part of the plan too - turn us into a third-world nation, so we'll we serfs. Is the Illuminati the Shadow Government, or what?
:hi:

[Cleita]

7. My take on the illuminati, and since I'm new in learning about this

please correct any wrong assumptions I have about it, is that they are the global cabals that control most of the resources and economies of this planet. They are sort of like Catholics used to be in the Middle Ages, who were taught that their first loyalty was to the Vatican and the second to their lord or king. So with the illuminati, their first loyalty is to the consortium and comes before any loyalty or patriotism to their country.

So countries that have come under the control of illuminati loyal leaders like Saudi Arabia, the UAE and now us, will do things to control their interests that seem plainly illogical to us until you figure out where they are coming from. I started reading Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival, America's Quest For Global Dominance". Since I was born in Chile in South America and lived there on and off in my early years, I saw first hand what the USA was doing there.

Chomsky has put it together and analyzed it in better words than I could. It seems to go back to the Monroe Doctrine. This has resulted in our country supporting totalitarian dictators instead of fledgling democracies to protect so called American interests or the corporations that operated there using those countries' natural resources for our own use and profit. I know. This is how I ended up being born in SA because my American father was an engineer for an American copper company there.

So I believe this is not only going on in SA in third world countries but globally. It seems to go back several centuries. Now we are the country that needs its democracy destroyed in order to further their imperalism and control of all the money and resources of the world. I think we as Americans are fighting back and it has put BushCo in a precarious position with his masters, whoever they may be. He has to stay this course or be destroyed.

[rumpel]

14. actually, I have been indecisive to post something

the past few days related to this cabal.

I saw the newest interview on consciousmedianetwork of a George Green, a former investment banker. It is quite depressing what he says, but something is not right- a gut feeling.
So, I got curious and went to his website and even watched the 2hr video on google that he posts of some seminar. My gut told me more - something is not right.
So, if you do watch it - I would be interested to hear what your gut feeling says.

interview is here
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm
and his website is
www.nohoax.com

However what I feel is that the illuminati are in their last struggle - they have not counted on the many millions of light workers countering them - so regardless of whatever plans they had, it is not working - but backfiring - they may also be infighting, too.

and remember Bush 1 breaking down in tears?

[Cleita]

15. Interesting websites Rumpel. Thanks for posting.

However, I can't seem to do QuickTime. I went to the QuickTime site and I guess they want some money for downloading their software that I can't put forward right now.

[rumpel]

16. Quicktime should be free

yes it is. This is for Windows.

this for Windows. The QT Pro costs money

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html

on edit: my brain must be in a loop mode - why did I duplicate...

anyway - I love the Healing Sounds interview among several others... :)

[Cleita]

20. Well, I got the QT downloaded okay, but I couldn't get the whole

interview, just the first ten minutes. It sure seems interesting though and I wonder if there is a text copy out there someplace. I'm on dial-up so every time I got the first ten minutes loaded (it took a couple of hours) my ISP timed out. I was trying for two days. Sorry Rumpel I couldn't get it.

[mother earth]

19. Rumpel, I viewed part of the interview on consciousmedianetwork

and couldn't bring myself to watch the rest of it. I am really believing that it is what this guy is saying, but I am very torn about what the right response is. I do think that we have been stripped of our individual capacity to think we can make a difference.

I think Stella's attempts to unite us in positive thoughts are the best weapon, even though it probably seems really lame to people who do not understand that this is really a battle of psyches. We really do need light to overpower the darkness & people don't understand what that means.

Seems like everyone is trying to tell us the same thing these days, we'd better wake up to who we are because if we don't we won't want to be here.

You need to watch Michael Tsarion's clip on that site. I used to think all these people who believed the NWO was coming were crazy, but what other sense is there to be made of what is playing out before our eyes?

I too would like to hear from others. Come on people, go check it out and offer up your opinions.

[mother earth]

8. I never believed in the Illuminati until now. Whatever the name or

the organization, the country's interests are not what Bush is worried about. The repubs are being fooled big time into accepting party rhetoric. His interests are not with the country, nor the republican party, though the hardliners don't seem capable of seeing this for what it is. It's beyond party lines completely. I feel like the dems better move quickly and precisely.

This will be a huge turning point for good or bad.

[lildreamer316]

11. I think he is sold to:

The Saudi Royal Family.

Not that they aren't a front for the same ppl......

[Cleita]

12. Without a doubt. I think the kissing and hand holding tells a lot

without having to try to pry beneath the surface. I have been doing research on the Sauds and BushCo. They are very much entwined in this, but it isn't the Saudis alone. There are those warlords in Asia, which is why we really went to Afghanistan, to get an oil pipeline built through there from the oil rich 'stans.

But they are all over, in every country. The countries they try to destabilized are the ones that are fairly independent like ours and right now Venezuela among others.

[silverlib]

13. I agree

The wars are for empire building, not for a country, but for shadow governments that have more control over many nations than meets the public eye. Everything thus far has been successful, even though to many they don't appear to be. The success is toward something other than the goals advertised. (The advertised goals have obviously not been successful- search for BL and the mission in Iraq to protect us from terrorists.) There have been some failures lately, but the only two I can think of is the failure to control the midterm elections and the failure to control the "leaks."

[Quakerfriend]

17. Yes, Cleita, I have that hunch as well. I was wondering, Did

the Queen of Cups cross your mind when Harriet Meyers resigned abruptly several weeks ago??

We need a catalyst to help bring this illuminati down.

[Cleita]

18. No I didn't think of Meyers.

I did think of Nancy Pelosi. Some here say she fits the Queen of Wands, but I really think Nancy fits the Queen of Cups, the "beloved good wife and mother". When I saw her being sworn in with all her children and grandchildren surrounding her, it suddenly struck me that she could be the one. I did a post on it that even before the swearing it that didn't get much response:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x33412

Harriet Meyers resigned probably because she was asked to. She was incompetent and probably not willing to do every thing Bush asked of her, but I doubt if she would be a whistleblower.