King George "is the decision-maker" - Astrologically speaking...

[ricochetastroman]

As stated in today's news, King George states that He is the decision-maker when it comes to sending troops over-the-edge, er, I mean to Iraq.

Astrologically speaking...

There's only one thing worse than a dim-witted moron for a president and that is a dim-witted moron for a president with something to prove.

His Mercury-Pluto-Venus conjunction in Leo in his first house tells the story.
Translation?: "I will show you...I will assert my will on you...I will cross your boundaries to show you how tough I am...I will because I am entitled...nevermind the fallout...I will...blah blah blah, I am the decision-maker...I am the end-all and be-all."

Barbara, didn't you listen to him when he was little? Damn.

[stellanoir]

1. LOL hey Rick

How the heck do you think he skated through his Saturn return, its transit across his Asc., it's conjunction with hi Mercury/Pluto (last spring), and first pass to his Venus (late Sep-early Oct) with relative impunity?

Now that I'm thinking about it wasn't it late last spring when he started up with this I'm the decider idiocy?

Maybe Saturn just calcified even further his block headedness or somethin'. He's got two more passes (Feb & June) to his Venus (ruler of his deluded and oblivious Neptune, Moon, Jupiter in Libra) though so certainly can't be a very happy camper I'd guess.

[Matariki]

5. jeez - i've got the same two group of stelliums as this guy

except in virgo & scorpio respectively. I'm gonna go take a shower now. i always sort of liked these two planetary conjunctions - but now i find they're 'oblivious'.

[stellanoir]

7. Oh dear

Don't take it personally at all. You've got to know there are healthy manifestations of planetary energies and sicko manifestations of planetary energies. That's where free will comes in silly.

Plus Virgo & Scorpio are notorious for far more depth than Leo or Libra. Now, nobody get all bent out of shape based on Sun sign placements as depth is aquired through many influences. . .okay?

Some of my fave people on the planet have Jupiter, Neptune, and the Moon in Scorp, Didn't mean to offend at all. That's an amazingly mystical combo and placement.

Of course unlike you * would embody the worst potential of planetary energies. His deluded obliviousness is probably related to the whole dry drunk pseudo Christian thingy.

[cassiepriam]

14. Yes, God gives us good energy to work with. Some of it more

challenging than other energy. But it is what we humans
do with it, that is the problem.

[Matariki]

22. you didn't offend me :-)

having *anything* in common with the idiot in chief offends me. blech. salt scrub time!

i think i read this on a placemat in a chinese restaurant - the positive traits of a sign refer to you - the negative traits to someone else. of course ;-)

on edit - damn i can't spell. i bet bush can't either. ugh.

[stellanoir]

23. The placemat in a chinese restaurant summarizes his fundamental idiocy. . .

totally inflated self righteous indignation and total shadow projection. He is responsible for more deaths when he was governor of Texas than Hussein got hung for.

Never mind the deaths his idiotic "Risk" approach to foreign policy has killed more innocents than all the "terrorists" combined.

His only alleged spirituality is by way of a Billy Graham conversion experience.

i always wonder about new borns. Only one transformational experience. I've just as much Scorp and Virgo as you do (I think we were born fairly close together time wise) and my mantra is always, "give us this day our daily transformational experience."

tra la la

glad I didn't offend you but you've got NOTHING in common with the bozo who thinks he's in charge.

[Matariki]

27. "give us this day our daily transformational experience."

that's beautiful. i like that.

better to work at it in small, steady doses than to get those resisted transformational experiences in one big heaping helping!

[cassiepriam]

10. There is nothing wrong with the energy. It is what he chose to do with

the energy that is the problem. He could have done great things with it.

[I Have A Dream]

2. Someday I will understand how all of this works!

Very interesting, Rick!

[cassiepriam]

11. Get Bush's chart and take a look at it. Tell us what you think. nt

[LaurenG]

3. Hi Rick,

Can you see anything in his chart that may show that he can't get away with this anymore, and if so when?

[ricochetastroman]

4. Guys like him...

can skate and skate and skate. Look at all improperly Leo energies going awry in one Barry Bonds. The Pres is a CANCER, remember? When Leo energies go awry, the worse it gets, the more the PRESS or OTHER PEOPLE are wrong. Period.
He can skate. He can pirouette, triple Sow Cow (sp?),... etc.

We suffer. His chart is OUR chart.

The backlash is happening, i.e., the resulting Democratic overturn. Have no fear (speaking as a double-Capricorn), Saturn will catch up to him. It's all the blockheads that still defend him that worries me. After all, we're a Cancer country too, eh? More on that later.

Think I'll take a cold shower.:evilgrin:

[Pathwalker]

6. What do you think of this prediction?

This astrologer says things will get real dicey real soon regarding Iran.

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0007634.HTM

"Last week's Mars-Pluto conjunction formed a close square to Iran's Mercury, as the Bush team put Iran on notice. Many astrologers noted the sudden appearance of the bright Comet McNaught during Bush's speech, which seemed to herald some huge disaster. Iran's progressed Mars clarifies the picture, and underscores the bellicose vibe coming out of Tehran. At the moment, Iran's progressed Mars at 17º Aries is forming an exact trine to its Leo Ascendant.

More significantly, this progressed Mars will soon oppose natal Pluto, which can be seen as a direct confrontation with enemies, and a fight to the death. Progressed Mars opposite Pluto is intensely hostile, and ready to go to any extreme to defeat the enemy. In the shorter term, the Solar Eclipse on March 19 is right on Iran's Mercury-Mars, and is yet another ill omen for this region."

[ricochetastroman]

13. Accurate

I think it sounds extremely accurate. And the one I really worry about is the coming Solar Eclipse on 9/11 at 18 degrees of Virgo almost exactly inconjunct to transiting Neptune sitting atop the USA's Moon in Aquarius in the public 10th house. No way to sugar-coat these types of combinations. We'd better make some friends fast.

God Bless:scared:

[Delphinus]

17. When you say,

We'd better make some friends fast. is that because we need someone else to go into "battle" with us (meaning we're attacking Iran) or because we're in dire straights economically or what? Thanks.

[cassiepriam]

8. Sounds like a 8 yr old all right. Send him to time out. For two years.

[cassiepriam]

9. Look at his Mars sq Uranus: Extreme willfulness, rebellion, unpredictable and

irritable. Accident prone. Also sexual and gender issues.

He could have used that energy for the good, to be strong and courageous, enterprising and energetic. Which is how he sees himself.

Very karmic placement by the way. He was given a gift of strong will to be used for the public good, but he has blown it. Used the energy in the worst possible way.

[ricochetastroman]

12. Cassie...

exactly right, the EGO needs are just too high. The Pluto is just too obsessed with power.

[cassiepriam]

15. yes. He could have done such good with his chart energy. .

Could have been bright, perceptive, vibrant, energetic. Courageous, charismatic. And kind and nurturing. Strong and kind.

Instead he went to the dark side of his chart, used all the energy in its lower manifestation. Thus he is executable, restless, dark moods, fanatical, obstinate, manipulative, forces others, and is mentally ill. Someone who is secretive, seeks destructive power and is recessively needy. Controlling and spiteful.

It was not supposed to be this way.

[Pathwalker]

16. What can I say? I have Mars square Uranus, and

I must admit that most of what you say is true about that placement, but I don't have gender issues.
Willful? Always have been. Rebellious? I came from a Fundy family, so - yeah!. Unpredictable? How can I be predictable, when I don't know what I'll be next week ;-). Irritable? Well, I used to be - once a month, but "mellowed out" over a decade ago ;-)

I used this energy to become a fighter for victims of domestic violence; it is where I've found a place to help others. I think it was what I was meant to do, though, given my own life experiences with it, so I can easily see the karmic placement.

It's not an all bad placement, though. You do get used to feeling like your mind's on speed - eventually. If you work at it, you can even shut it up. But it's a LOT of energy.

[cassiepriam]

18. It can be a very good placement, depends on how the energy is

used. You are an example of using the energy wisely and for good.

[stellanoir]

19. Good for you NB

for taking the path of redemption.

Quite unlike our fearful leader. To make a sexist remark that doesn't always apply, Mars square Uranus more often is tougher on guys, as their male identity can sometimes get scrambled. In a woman, they either have to deal with flaky guys or girlfriends and family members dealing with flaky guys. How unusual.

[Pathwalker]

20. That explains it perfectly, Stellanoir.

"have to deal with flaky guys or girlfriends and family members dealing with flaky guys." All of them - :rofl:

I have more than enough issues, already. I must also confess to the accident proneness, as well. Usually happens when I'm not paying attention, though, so I learned to pay attention when necessary. And whenever there's A Mars/Uranus square.

I take no pleasure in having the same Sun sign and aspects as George - who would? The man's a disgrace to humanity! Lives up to every bad sterotype of a spoiled rich frat boy, and then some. Ugh! And the Fundies chose HIM for their "Anti-Christ", which is why this year has always been the one I've worried about the most. :scared:

[stellanoir]

21. Yup Merc/Uranus, Mars/Uranus sometimes = spazz attacks

Have you seen my figure 8 visulization ??? It might help your grounding. I've posted it many times on this forum. So respond or PM me if you haven't seen it. It's simple and EASY and really neutralizes a lot of crapola.

Well you are not * regardless of similarities of aspects and Sun sign. See my response to kineta up thread.

Also see my worry rant in Seattle Girl's thread from last week. I'm rushing out the door or I'd post links. Let me know if you can't find them and I'll post them either tonight or tomorrow morning.

best

[Rock_Garden]

24. There's one thing I'm grateful for in all this.

I am grateful that a Democratic president did not have to deal with the aftermath of 9/11. It would have gone a better way, I'm sure, but there would have been great pressure on any sitting president to do something violent in retaliation. The nation fairly reeked of fear.

Through all of this I have hoped that the universe will move us toward the highest good for all concerned, with or without Bush, and I still do.

And I know that if Bush does not learn the lessons that Saturn has put before him, he will be utterly crushed under its weight. It's his choice.

[ricochetastroman]

25. Digging deeper into his chart.

Well, I really did try to look deeper into this man's chart. I really can't find much there, and that is honest. It just isn't there. The perfect puppet, I gather.

When I spoke of needing to make friends, I mean, rut row, here comes some really vigorous planets for all of us. We all need to pull together. Geesh.

[Delphinus]

38. Thank you!

You're so correct - we all need to pull together. We all need to remember that "we are one". There is no separation - what is ill for one, is ill for all; what is good for one, is good for all.

I have always been a loner, and felt quite comfortable in that. But, I confess to, especially lately, feeling the need for "community".

[I Have A Dream]

39. I'm sure that you know that you've got "community" here, Delphinus.

This is a more supportive community for me than my "real life" community!

:hug:

[Delphinus]

58. Thank you, IHAD.

That hug came just when I needed it most. :hug:

[stellanoir]

59. Here take one of these

:grouphug:

You are always a welcomed asset here.

[I Have A Dream]

60. ...and another one...

:grouphug:

[ricochetastroman]

26. Mars sq Uranus is of little consequence..

the orb is over 9 degrees and in mutable signs, it's no biggie.
THE biggie is the Venus/Pluto/Mercury in LEO in the first. It's all image baby.

:party:

[cassiepriam]

28. In karmic astrology it is quite significant for smany reasons.

This is a good example of the difference between traditional western astrology and karmic astrology.

1. We use wider orbs, especially in the case of a very karmically significant aspect like this one. We will go up to 10 degrees or so, so it is in orb for us.

2. Involves inner to our planet which is always of strong significance in the natal chart, these indicate karmic issues which must be dealt with.

3. Uranus is conjunct the north node. The NN is one of the most important parts of a natal chart from a karmic perspective. The square in question is directly linked to Bush's soul purpose in this life.

4. All squares whatever the quality, are considered a deeply ingrained difficulty from past lives. Mutable squares are karma that has arisen in recent past lives, and if Bush does not work on it in this life it will carry forward without a doubt.

[rumpel]

30. Somehow, I think he has issues with Mom...

more than with Dad - what everyone talks about, or perhaps there was tension between Dad's favorite and Mom's favorite boy.

"if Bush does not work on it in this life it will carry forward without a doubt" is, I hope, in not such a prominent position - next time

[cassiepriam]

31. His chart shows strong karmic issues with his father and a brother.

There was violence with the brother in a past life.

And his mother was most likely a sibling in a past life.
Maybe why she did not parent him in ths one.
There is also an indication that he may have looked to his
current life sibs for parenting as a child.

Actually quite a bit of complicated sibling karma and father karma. Some with mother as well.

Actually it looks like he was not supposed to be in a prominent position in this life. He had been famous and powerful in past lives and abused his power greatly and hurt many. He was also a person who wanted everything immediately, and he was ruthless in his ambition.

In this life he was to be behind the scenes (12h sun), and never receive the recognition he felt he deserved. From a soul perspective, this was to teach him humility. And that power comes from within, not outside of self.

A theme of his chart is that things have not gone as he planned prior to incarnation. Instead he is repeating the problems from past lives. The same old behavior, over and over again.

And yes hard to believe he will obtain a position of power in any future lives.

[rumpel]

35. thus papa breakdown

in public, perhaps.

[cassiepriam]

37. Yes, indeed. I was thinking the same thing.

That would explain it wouldn't it?
And maybe he knew Jeb was supposed to be the president.
That was the plan all along.

[cassiepriam]

57. BTW yes he does from a karmic standpoint.

[ricochetastroman]

32. Thanks

That's interesting about Karmic Astrology and wider orbs...

[cassiepriam]

33. I know, takes traditional folks aback at first. Sorry. :)

We are trying to get past life info and we are more inclusionary in looking at the data than exclusionary. And wide orbs seem to give good data with karmic issues. As per independent verification with past life psychics.

A bit more qualitative than quantitative in our approach.

[stellanoir]

34. Yikes some Vedics even use full sign orbs.

Yet I feel the argument about orbs is rather mute as it depends largely on the unique sensitivity of the individual.

So I pass and go figure.

[cassiepriam]

36. I never understood how a planet can be very significant

but if it is one degree plus or minus it is nothing.

I am used to cut off scores in medicine and science.
And they are arbitrary and change as research progresses.
Like cholesterol and blood sugar cut off scores keep changing.

The chart is energy and the question is how does it impact the individual.

And yes the sensitivity of the individual and the soul level must be take into account.

[ricochetastroman]

68. orb

I feel that orb is very important factor in Humanistic astrology. The closer the orb "the tighter the guitar string is strung." Real close orbs are very powerfully expressed in the personality. Looser orbs, say, beyond 6 degrees, the effect is there but has some room to breathe and is not experienced as obsessive energies, I find.

Food for thought.

[cassiepriam]

29. In karmic astrology, Mars represents will, power, and assertion issues.

It tells us how well will and power have been handled in past lives. Has the soul learned to be assertive or have aggressive tendencies?

The Uranus/Mars aspect indicates that the soul has been willful in the extreme in others lives. Asserting oneself and one's will were paramount. The thing that mattered to the soul the most, was what the soul wanted and went all out for, no matter how much opposition there may have been.

Such extreme willfulness hurt many others. In this life it is important for this soul to take others into account when exercising will. And to find a way to cooperate with others.

[Delphinus]

40. Cassie,

in Karmic Astrology do you use only the natal charts? Or do you use relocated charts as well?

[cassiepriam]

41. Most of us use natal only, but some perhaps may do relo charts.

I have not seen it done.
Mostly we work with natal, transits, interaspects.

[cassiepriam]

42. Bush's chart (thanks to Dream for showing me how to post it from photobucket!

Would any of you like to make some comments about his Nodal axis and his Chiron? Very interesting.

[I Have A Dream]

43. I'm not sure what you see, but the book that I have on Gemini North Node says...

(From Jan Spiller's "Astrology for the Soul")

Attributes to Develop

Work in these areas can help uncover hidden gifts and talents:

• Healthy curiosity
  
• Asking questions to learn how others think
  
• Seeing both sides of a situation
  
• Tact
  
• Logic
  
• Communication of internal dichotomies
  
• A positive approach to life and other people
  
• Purposely cheering up others
  
• Using a nonthreatening approach when expressing ideas
  
• Listening
  
• Openness to new ideas and experiences
  
• Seeking factual information before making decisions

Tendencies to Leave Behind

Working to reduce the influence of these tendencies can help make life easier and more enjoyable:

• Self-righteousness
  
• Aloofness
  
• Assuming others know "where they're at"
  
• Thinking one knows what others are saying without really listening
  
• Needing to be right
  
• Espousing "Truth" without taking others' views into account
  
• Careless spontaneity
  
• Taking shortcuts
  
• Taking oneself too seriously; having a ponderous approach to life
  
• Acting on intuition without checking the facts
  
• Resisting ideas that are foreign to one's belief system
  
• Prejudging present situations on the basis of past experience

All I can say is that this is so spot on that I can't believe that anyone wouldn't believe in astrology after reading this!!! :o

[Sanity Claws]

44. Is north node same as true node?

If so, would you mind giving me the same info regarding node in Sag? Yes, that's where I have it. I'm undergoing transition and wondering whether I even remotely have the right path in mind.

PS -- You're right. The shadow side describes Bush to a T.

[I Have A Dream]

46. Yes, North Node is the same as True Node.

Here's a link that helps to explain it:

http://north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/true-node-mean-node-north-node


I'll PM you the information for Sagittarius, isos.

I personally think just about everything listed in both lists is applicable to him. Amazing!

[cassiepriam]

47. Yes, but there is a difference between true node and mean node

But it is minor. Most software programs use the mean north node as the default setting. If you want the true node you have to specifically set it.

Astrologers go back and forth about the best one to use. Some think for karmic
work the mean node is best, mundane astrologers are said to like the true node.
Someday I want to play with it and get my own best opinion. But for now I tend to use the mean node. But I have used the true mode as well. And if anybody has a good opinion on it, I would appreciate it.

The difference is a bit complicated to explain fully. But the nodes are not physical bodies, they are the two points (north and south) where the orbit of the moon intersects the path of the sun or the ecliptic. You can calculate that path using the average pathway orbit. Or now that astronomers have very sensitive instruments you can get the precise calculation of the orbit which unfortunately includes the wobble of the moon's orbit. This tends to make more nodal retrogrades which can confuse people. I do not really need to measure the exact wobbly path. For those who use extremely tight orbs maybe they need that, but I go wide anyway so I figure I can use the mean. But as I say, the true node is really OK too.

Not much of an explanation, maybe some one can do it better??

[cassiepriam]

45. Very good. Keep going. What about the nodal axis houses?

And does Spiller talk about aspects to the nodal axis?
If so, look and see what aspects there might be as well.


Later we will look at Chiron.

I was hoping someone would notice the nodal information.
I thought it was quite interesting as you have found out.

Does it look like Bush is working the north node?
Or stuck in dysfunctional past life behavior?

(PS, I know, I might actually start believing this stuff :) )

[I Have A Dream]

48. Well, this is what Spiller says about North Node in the 11th House...

Attributes to Develop

Work in these areas can help uncover hidden gifts and talents:

• Objectivity (see the "total picture")
  
• Desire for friendship
  
• Making decisions for the group's best interest
  
• Willingness to share unconventional ideas
  
• Willingness to champion humanitarian causes
  
• Active participation in groups
  
• Awareness of equality
  
• Relating to others as individuals (gardener,, doctor, lover, etc.)
  
• Creating win/win situations
  
• Recognizing how others are special

Tendencies to Leave Behind

Working to reduce the influence of these tendencies can help make life easier and more enjoyable:

• Insistence on getting one's way
  
• Making changes just to exercise authority
  
• Attachment to taking risks (romance or gambling)
  
• Willfulness and stubbornness
  
• Attachment to the need for approval
  
• Melodramatic tendencies
  
• Doing what's expected instead of following one's heart
  
• Unbridled passion -- going to extremes
  
• Unawareness of others' importance
  
• Prideful responses based on fear

This information is really quite accurate as well!

Spiller's book doesn't give the North Node aspect information. That's too bad because this book is wonderful and that information would be so useful!

From what I can see, he's not learned any of the karmic lessons that he came here to learn during this life. Too bad that so many others have had to pay for this. :(

[cassiepriam]

49. Nodal aspects. Other authors talk about aspects to the nodes.

But for the time being Dream I want you to think about it on your own.
Again part of being a good astrologer is going beyond cookbook but thinking
and analyzing the data on your own.

1. First identify all the aspects to the nodal axis. Can you do that?
2. And then think about what they might mean or signify.

[cassiepriam]

51. 11h deals with karma connected to friends and groups.

His Uranus in that house indicates karma related to authority figures and control vs freedom.

In the past he may have been too attached to dogma and ideas of a revolutionary
nature, rather than to underlying wisdom or understanding. In this life he must be more flexible, not rigidly adhere to dogma, and respect other's opinions.

Such a soul is quite capable of bringing new ideas into society but must not throw out baby out with the bath water and must do so not through chaos but orderly evolution.

[cassiepriam]

52. 5h is karma connected to creativity, children, love affairs, individuality expression.

A 5/11 nodal axis is about the relationship of the individual to the group.
It is about group interaction.

In 5h we seek security for our individual identity in the group. In the 11h we seek social and intellectual security. The 11/5 nodal axis must learn that interdependence and cooperation are not weaknesses. That accord is not impotence.

In past lives he mastered personal power and in fact abused it. In this life he is to use his personal power for the good of humanity, working with the collective an groups. He must avoid the 5h trap of exercising his personal power. He must avoid power struggles and domination, which is what he has done in past lives. He must not take egocentric control of groups as he has done many times in the past.

This axis must learn that uniformity is not equality. And that his ideals must align to group ideals and purposes. He no longer can be the imperialist and the Leo from past lives. While yes he is a unique creation which he has learned in past lives, now that uniqueness must be used to improve society and be part of the whole.

Edit to add: 5 house is the natural home of Leo. That will be important later, but for now, think about the negative aspects of that sign and you can see some of his likely past lives because this is the placement of his SN.

[cassiepriam]

50. Yes. The Gem/Sag axis is the axis of the mind.

To balance higher and lower minds.

Gem explores the world, gathers information.
Sag seeks the unifying threads, the great truths behind the data.

We must be curious and flexible, but have a higher understanding and sense of universal truths. We must be able to communicate these truths to others.
And knowledge must be balanced with perspective and wisdom.

A SN node in Sag can give the gift of a strong belief system, and a life philosophy
which becomes the core of individual identity. But the trap of the Sag SN is a rigid adherence to the belief system and refusing to listen to other's ideas and beliefs. Which comes across to others as "holier than thou." These people can talk the talk, but not walk the walk.

From Burk's NODE BOOK

[cassiepriam]

53. Bush chart bonus question#1 : house placement, look closely at his

chart and notice the house placement in relationship to the chart signs.
You may notice something unusual. There is a special name for these kind
of houses and they have significance in the natal chart.

What is this house placement called?
And what does it mean?

[cassiepriam]

54. Bush Chart bonus question #2: Look at the planetary placements

What special kind of planetary groupings does he have?
HINT: we just studied this in our work on the oldest woman chart.

Located in what houses? What signs?
What does it mean?

[cassiepriam]

55. Begin to connect the dots, a complicated rich nodal theme emerges

After you have broken down the chart into parts, you have to put it back together again
and connect the dots.

Start thinking:

The natural sign of 5h where the SN is located is Leo. What is the ruler of Leo?
Where is that natural house ruler located?
What is the karmic significance of that house?
What else is in that house? What does it mean?
And what sign are these planets in?
What are the negative sides to that sign and Leo?
This will give you past life information.

What is the chart ruler?
Where is it located? What does that mean?

Now do you see how the chart keeps saying the same thing over and over again?
This is the most important theme of his chart.

See how easy this is?

And the other important theme is family karma.

[cassiepriam]

56. Can somebody work on the squares? Include the angles too, that would be great.

What do these squares mean?

[ricochetastroman]

70. Squares

The Sun square Jupiter-Moon (from the solar 4th) is the SILVER SPOON that he was raised with. The Libra energies (social snob potential) takes advantage of them and abuses them. Excess. Aggravated by the Sun/Pluto/Venus Leo thing, he is beyond feeling entitled.

Hiding his insecure Cancer self beneath the arrogant Leo energies, he puffs up like the Puffer fish with self-importance. As we have seen, we have given the wittel boy a real pistol (The FREE WORLD) and he is busy shooting everything with his BB gun, isn't he?

He's over drunk (Jupiter) with self-deluded-confidence that he can do what he wishes. And he can, can't he? And the Jupiter makes him feel religiously-righteous, eh?

The Saturn [] Jupiter indicates his real inablity to manage the economy. Expand? Conserve? I dunno, throw it up to the wind to see (Sag.). More imporantly, it indicates his feeling to want to pull away from (Jup) the restraints of family expectations, Saturn. He will even back-stab his father due to this. Likely.

The absolute worst part of all of this is his Sun (identity) square to Neptoon.
Delusional sense of self GREATLY exaggerated by the Leo mess rising.

[cassiepriam]

65. Lots of interesting info in Bush's chart.... just waiting for you to uncover it!

[PADemD]

61. Can you recommend

a web site where I can look at astrology charts of famous people, like Bush? Have you also looked at Dick Cheney's chart?

[Sanity Claws]

62. astrodatabank.com

[PADemD]

63. Thank you!

[cassiepriam]

64. If you just goggle the person's name and "natal chart"

you will find them.

No have not looked at Darth Vader's chart.
Not sure I can :(

[stellanoir]

66. astrodatabank.com

was started by Lois Rodden years ago. She set up a rating system for accuracy of birth times with ( I think AA or AAA) being the highest, documented on the birth certificate. She passed on not so long ago but seems to have left the site in competent hands.

"dipstick" Cheney's data is January 30, 1941, 7:30 am CST in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Not sure of the rating according to Rodden. Births on the hour, half hour, or quarter hour always arouse my suspicion although they do happen 4 times an hour, it sometimes sounds as though they are rounded off.

[ricochetastroman]

67. Bank

khaldea.com

is real good

[Justpat]

69. These astrological clues to his personality

happen to be one of the major character flaws of alcoholics:
self will run riot.

It is the infantile demand to have what I want, when I want it.

It describes GWB to a T.