Saturn opposed Neptune. . .2nd to 3rd pass

[stellanoir]

I'm sorry but the archetypal authority planet which rules the LAW, opposing the source of our connection to SPIRIT and inspiration, though on a lower level, disillusionment, deceit, and mind altering substances is manifesting in some really peculiar and some entertaining ways.

Fundamentally this is about TRUTH versus DECEIT or REALITY versus IDEALS or FACT versus ILLUSION or PHYSICALITY versus SPIRITUALITY.

Let's see how. . .

The one that is especially cracking me up is the "Bong hits 4 Jesus" case that's before the Supreme Court. Ahhh. . .both pot and Jesus are totally Neptunian.

It's a Free Speech issue but nobody (including the author of the banner) can actually define the slogan's meaning and some of the articles about it are really incredibly funny. Ken Starr representing the administration is just so pathetic. He gets to roast a kid for being. . .well. . .a kid after childishly blowing 40 million of taxpayers' dollars prosecuting Clinton for being. . .well. . .Clinton, when the girl in question was bragging and not complaining about it. yikes.

Then there is "Gonzolaws" (the torture dude who legalized sadism) being the highest law enforcement agent in the country. . .lying under oath.

Then the pRes acting like a "petulant child" demanding yet another blank check for moving forward in obvious failure, with no oversight, complete impunity for his lackeys, and no accountability whatsoever in total secrecy.

Then the lovely Ms. Wilson, finally getting to tell her truth under oath, being corroberated by the CIA for the clear nature of her "covert" status revealing a blatant case of treason and NONE of the Sunday morning "snooze" shows mentioned it except Faux who said she lied under oath.

People who endorse war and torture masquerade as Christians when they are anything but.

Brittany is out of rehab and oh. . .ANS is still dead.

I'm sure more examples will come up but I'll bet few will be as entertaining as "Bong hits 4 Jesus" in my book.

'cept maybe when the TRUTH is revealed by late June. Can't wait.

[stellanoir]

1. Oh I forgot to mention. . .

this aspect hasn't occured since '71-'72 aside from last month and late last August. Preresignation time.

tra la la.

It was in mutable signs last time.

This time it's in fixed signs on the "I" versus the "we" axis.

Curious that.

[Delphinus]

2. Funny you bring up about

truth being outed, so to speak. I had a quasi-conversation with someone just the other day who brought out example after example of how things were being brought to light (and he's not at all understanding it from the perspective you and I are) and how it's hard for people when they recognize truth; how it hurts.

[ricochetastroman]

3. Oh, and how I love to watch when people (President, etc.)...

...start to deny things DURING ECLIPSES which almost always shine the light of truth on their dirt hiding in the crevices! I ask "Is this or that true?" Well, if I'm asking that question during an eclipse, I almost always answer Yes.

Many questions come to mind?

-Mr. Roves T-square to Neptoon. Wonder what that means?
-And Mr. Gore trying to stop (Saturn) global weather problems (Neptune).
No one anywhere is responsible, are they? What problem, Neptune asks?

Notice too the anti-war sentiment and where Saturn was 28 years ago...
Kudos Stella on your fine extraction of the Sat/Nep opposition.
"Bong hits 4 Jesus"

Someone, please, give W a hit or two. Or three.

:rofl:

[stellanoir]

7. Thanks for the eclipse reminder.

Haven't looked at Rove, Gore. or Cheney's charts for a while.

Will do so later when I feel ready to take a shower, for various reasons for those three.

I know. . .Bong Hits 4 Jesus is unbelievably funny. They were actually describing it as Dada-esc. LOL

[NJCher]

4. guest on c2C

Was talking about this aspect. If I got it correctly, that is.

He said it's gonna' kick Cheney's ass.

Big time, LOL.



Cher

[Flying Dream Blues]

5. Looks like Saturn is doing a great job of cleaning up so far!

This is a great post, Stella. I hadn't connected all the Saturn/Neptune dots nearly as well and as completely as you just did...I think I am experiencing a certain Neptunian haze...but then, I do that alot. Sometimes I joke that my chart screams, "All Neptune, All the Time."
:)
:hi:

[stellanoir]

9. I know all too well that feeling. . .

You just inadvertantly gave me an earworm of "Purple Haze."

:rofl:

[davsand]

13. And that led me to Green Haze by Elvis Hitler.

A combo of Purple Haze and the Green Acres theme--very punk--on the Disgraceland album. Hadn't thought about it in years!

I am showing my age here because that album came out in 1988...


:hi:


Laura

[mother earth]

6. Wow. That explains a lot with the current problems of my

workplace. Interesting that June is when the truth is revealed, I figured it would all be exposed in 3 months if not sooner.

Thanks for the insight, Stella.:hi:

[I Have A Dream]

8. I'm soooo looking forward to July!

:woohoo:

[stellanoir]

10. me too

:woohoo:

Let's do the woohoo dance together and I'll even loan you my slinky.

Except you have a DH so you thankfully don't really need to resort to such measures.

Yikes.

[I Have A Dream]

11. Naaa, I like free-form dance, which is **great** fun with a slinky.

Also, my husband & I both want to lead! It's about time that he gets with the program! x( (;))

:bounce:

Kidding aside, he's a real sweety! :loveya:


Ready, stella? Let's go!!

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[stellanoir]

12. tossing you my slinky dear. . .hope it doesn't get tangled enroute

I don't believe I've ever divulged this here. I used to dance with a slinky publicly. It was more a funny gimmick than anything erotic though.

It's really an amazing percussive device and some rhythms are more slinkable that others. Always thought with a tiny pick up I could share an amazing sound.

Also always lusted for a titanium slinky.

When it spirals its like a replicating coil of DNA. I'd always say, "woh I'm replicating again."

It's really great fun and don't know whether any music video's have yet to incorprate it.

I refuse to buy cable and understand that they're mostly doing lame assed reality TV now anyhoo.

I'll keep dancing with the music and partners better BEWARE. LOL

Kidding.

[ricochetastroman]

14. And just think....

somewhere, there's probably some poor S.O.B. who's only real talent in life is knowing exactly how to untangle a freaking slinky. And, he can't get any recognition for it - not even on Letterman.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
..:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
....:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
......:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[ricochetastroman]

15. Getting serious for once Re: Saturn opposite Neptune

We must remember, Saturn CONJUNCTED Neptune (birth of new cycle) in March of 1989 at 11 Capricorn 54'.

so, it seems to represent the END OF COMMUNISM. Interesting.

The end, stopping (Saturn) the socialistic (Neptunian) utopian government/lifestyle. Once again, the bad reputation of Saturn hides the hard work and GOOD that Saturn does do; bringing down the WALL. etc. - interesting.

So, it seems that now, during the opposition ("are we going to continue in this fashion")... is the ruling government style, i.e., Western Capitalism, working or not? Saturn is in no mood for Republican rhetoric now. It wants answers. I find it interesting that Mr. Rove, the Capricorn, has a strong tendency to use that T-square to Neptune to be the "image maker", otherwise known as outright liar.

So we see the opposition as a test to the true ideals that won out during the fall of CCCP. What an appropriate place to be putting forth this concept, on a web site call "The Democratic Underground"?! I say we take this issue to the surface!

Why are remaining underground? Cripes, I can't breathe down here! :wtf:

Remember, Neptune is Aquarius, the sign of "The People", right? And Saturn is in Leo, the sign of the "self".

OK Rick, blah blah blah, now, sum it all up now, will ya?
Simple enough, the way Saturn works.
- Be irresponsible, and get stopped in your tracks or debilitated in some fashion.
- Be responsible, and succeed and get rewarded.


but also, remember, Neptune is opposite Saturn too!
Translation:

- Be worldy, narrow, and selfish and lose. Lose your footing, lose your ground, just lose.
or
- Be truly altruistic and live for the good of the collective and ascend to the heights of what we can be.

Sites like this one are doing the latter, thank Goodness. Hooray for us.
Spread the word!

:applause:

[I Have A Dream]

16. Thank you for the summary of Saturn oposite Neptune, Rick. It sounds very...

promising.

[ricochetastroman]

37. You're welcom IHAD

I think too many times we 'astrologers' get caught up in the fight and stress between planets. After all, that's what there is to write about, right? Tension, relief of such, etc.

However, the main thing, IMHO, is that Saturn and Neptune conjuncted years ago, in the late 80s. That gave us all the OPPORTUNITY to blend the two energies, i.e., Spirit and Matter. That CAN BE DONE. The opposition and square years are simply tests to "has it been done".

Much more later...

Everyone have a great weekend.

:iconoffanaticalhappyasatrologer:

[stellanoir]

17. Thanks for mentioning the last conjunction.

The other thing that I failed to mention about the opposition was the emergence of "The (so called) Secret" during this period of time.

Really interesting but still not as funny as "Bong hits 4 Jesus" though.

on edit- I just noticed that Mars is opposing Saturn today and boy do I feel like I'm movin' like molassas.

The aspect is exact at 3:33 pm EDT. Then it'll conjoin Neptune on Sunday at 1:40 pm EDT. . .

>>>>>>>>>insert twilight zone theme then.

[ricochetastroman]

22. Yes Stella

and I do believe that lots of that "Secret" planetary stuff has been the mutual reception of Uranus in Pisces with Neptoon in Aquarius, Jupiter traveling square to Neptune as well as Jupiter now traveling square to Uranus.

Damn stuff never ends.

[Sweet Freedom]

18. Does this apply to individuals as well?

Sorry if this is an ignorant question, but when I read

- Be irresponsible, and get stopped in your tracks or debilitated in some fashion.
- Be responsible, and succeed and get rewarded.

I immediately thought of two people I know who fit these descriptions.

On a side note: I hang my goat head in embarrassment that Rove is Capricorn :-(

[I Have A Dream]

19. There's so much more to a person's chart than his/her sun sign, d22d.

It would be interesting to see his chart. I'm going to look around; I'm curious now.

(I'm a Capricorn also, and I refuse to feel any kinship or connection with that man.)

:hug:

[Sweet Freedom]

25. I think I posted his chart in this forum once.

I'll look too.

[Sweet Freedom]

28. Here it is

I had posted it before, but the thread appears to be archived (but that conservative unmentionable place has a link to it poking fun at it. Perhaps we'll have the last laugh?)

[Chemical Bill]

32. I want to rectify this...

I think it makes sense to put his birthtime in the early AM. That puts his Sun on the bottom, his Moon closer to Uranus, and Saturn on the ascendant. Actually, let's put Saturn in the 12th. Rove hates the light.

*'s Sun in Cancer is around 13-14 degrees, no? These two could be married (except they want same sex marriage illegal). And we know that * prefers military-type tops like Gannon.

Anyway, Rove has really given his all to the dark side of his chart.

Bill

[stellanoir]

20. I know you were asking Rick but I'll chime in anyhoo.

These relatively infrequent aspects between outermost planets not only influence the collective zeitgeist and also the lives of individuals to varying degrees based on where it's occurring in their charts, and what planets or luminaries or angles it's aspecting.

Don't sweat sharing the same Sun Sign as Rove. There are delightful individuals and sleezebuckets born under all of the 12 signs. That fact sort of illustrates the superficial fallacy of Sun Sign astrology.

I've a friend who once remarked that her youngest daughter shared Hitler's birthday and had lived an amazingly charmed life. Of course we looked at other configurations in her chart but I postulated that maybe each degree of the zodiac holds a potential amount of energy and maybe Hitler burned off a boatload of negativity associated with that degree so now it's purged of it and is more pure. No way of knowing for sure.

Maybe similarly Rove is purifying Capricorn by his villainy and treason. It's implausible to me that he can maintain impunity for mucking around with the Judiciary and Intelligence agencies as he has for much longer.

on edit-There are no ignorant questions in astrology, but there are boatloads of dumb answers.

[ricochetastroman]

23. No problem Stella

Chime in anytime, we all pitch in.

Rove: It's gonna take an eclipse or so around 19 Libra to hit the point of his t-square to Neptoon to really expose the rat.

Meanwhile he has Moon/Uranus in Bush's sun sign cancer. He knows just when to duck under the rocks.

[stellanoir]

24. Speaking of chiming. . .

Everytime I read that spelling of "Neptoon" I think of this. . .

http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=4953 (short advert passes quickly)

It's either because Neptune is opposing my Uranus or because Uranus transiting my Decendant or maybe I just often think in terms of cartoon characters.

You're making me want to check out Rove's progressions which I've been hesitant to do because I didn't want to sully my new 'puter or program but maybe if I just think of him as Porky Pig it'll be okay.

:rofl:

[Sweet Freedom]

26. Under a rock

what an appropriate place for him.

[ricochetastroman]

21. Hi D2D

It's not an ignorant question.
Certainly it applies to all people as well as all things such as governments, businesses, marriages, etc.
Humanistic astrology is fairly simple if you get a wide angle view.
When PLUTO is 'hitting your chart'
+Be ballsy, have courage and passion, be strong by yourself and go far
-Be weak, hang on the the old status quo, stagnancy, and Pluto is very hard on you, VERY.

NEPTUNE
+Be spiritual, truly spiritual, and gain ACCESS to the oneness all around you
-Be worldly, and LOSE and I mean big time, but SUBTLY....

URANUS
+Be flexible and adventurous, be yourself and gain freedom of expression
-Be uptight, don't take chances, stay inside the box, and CRACK. And the fissures may be permanent.

You read SATURN up above

Hope that helps some.
Don't worry about us GOATS, I is one too!

Rove is a "bad goat", a user, a professional manipulator. Capricorns are EXPERTS at USING THE SYSTEM. Experts at strategy... His amplified NEPTUNE is the problem however, delusions of grandeur combined with usery.

His fall will be very, very, long.:nuke:

[Sweet Freedom]

27. Thanks!

Wow, your description so hits the nail on the head for someone I know. Sadly, I can't help this person anymore; they have to help themselves.

Ah, Rove: The baaad goat :)

[conning]

29. Caroline Çasey, the astroloder,

was born with a a close conjunction of Saturn and Neptune. On one of her radio shows, available on the web at www.visionaryactivism.com, she was discussing this aspect with Richard Tarnas, the author of COSMOS AND PSYCHE. I think some of the astrologers here would really enjoy their discussion.

[stellanoir]

30. Caroline is great.

She's always worth a listen.

Thanks for bringing her up.

on edit- Listening now. Hadn't notice that the next Saturn/Uranus opposition is happening on November 4th -5th 2008. Holy Moly !!!

They are saying pragmatism and mysticism got a divorce and they want to get married again.

They are saying metaphysics and physical science got a divorce ant they want to get married again and have a baby which would be reverant science wherein we recognize that a rain forest is worth more than 2 years of hamburgers.

They are talking about all sorts of amazing stuff about how it's time to bring forth a new spirituality and this has happened before under Saturn/Neptune oppositions throughout history.

Too cool.

Let's get on that. :woohoo:

[stellanoir]

31. They also said that

" through holding that tension, great things can be born."

I was explaining it to a dear friend and she thought I said "prayer threats instead of "prayer threads."

She is a trip.

It was too funny. She then turned me on to this site and we laughed hysterically. ( http//:hopeisemo.com )

I'm thinking of several things.

They said that "* is the part of the boomer generation that didn't assimilate the spiritual awakening of the Uranus conjunct Pluto in the '60's.

They furthered that we're suffering from a spiritual bankruptcy. Duhhh.

We can fix it I swear.

Let's get our hearts and minds together and I'll keep doin' my semi weekly prayer 'threats." LOL

They said that a phenomenal ingenuity was hovering that would manifest by 2010 with the Jupiter/Uranus conjunction. We could perhaps dwell on that and get outrageously creative.

Thanks for all of your intrepid support.

love you all

[Chemical Bill]

34. People who lack spirit...

often try and make up for the loss by imbibing spirits. Sounds like *.

Bill

[Chemical Bill]

33. Great thoughts as usual Stella.

As far as timing goes, what do you think is the significance of the planetary stations during aspects like these. I notice quite a lot of activity during the stations, as opposed to, or in addition to, the actual aspects.

Bill

[stellanoir]

35. The stations are especiallly powerful fer sure

you can feel them rumblin' from a distance if you merely pay attention. Woh

[ricochetastroman]

36. 10-4

Looks like this Pluto station on 3/31 is huge. I can feel it.
AND Mars is crossing the Saturn-Neptune crossfire now...

I can feel THAT too!

GEESH

[stellanoir]

38. Justice Breyer was just on "Wait. . Wait. . .Don't Tell Me"

on their "Not My Job" segment.

http://www.npr.org/programs/waitwait/

They'll archive it later on but it was SO funny.

Earlier in the show, they addressed the "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" issue.

It was hysterical,

Mo Rocco said, "From the Book of Ganja. . .Christ entered the temple and turned one bag of Doritos into 40."

The host assuredly said "Jesus wouldn't bogart that joint."

He also said Ken Starr was consistantly against any one having any fun.

It was a riot.