Palden Jenkins: The Next Seventy Years

[NEOBuckeye]

Palden Jenkins: The Next Seventy Years

Anyone ever read this guy's articles? He's done some pretty long-range astrological forecasts on the 21st century and the basic, overall social/political/global trends we might anticipate in the coming decades. In a nutshell, based upon past trends, we seem to be entering the ramping up phase of a major "transition/testing period" that will be the focus of the next 10 years. It's by no means hard to see from here, given the current decaying state of democracy and economics within the US, and how those collapses are likely to play out on a global level. We are also facing big problems with energy (oil in particular) and global warming very soon, if not already.

According to Jenkins, we may survive the 2010s only to face the mother of all turning points for humanity in the 2040s, in which we face massive, revolutionary breakthrough, or a total, if not final breakdown of humanity.

Sounds scary enough for me. But I am also intrigued.

Note to Mods: The following are three separate articles. I separated them by links and lines at the end of every four paragraphs (four from each article). For astrologers, the last two article excerpts contain aspects.

Take a look...

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Palden Jenkins

Healing the Hurts of Nations

The extent of underlying world need for apocalypse, for a global, soul-educational breakthrough, changes with every moment. We are regularly making historically-impacting decisions, some of which are deeply decisive and some of which crucially affect underlying trends, and the trajectory of history changes thereby. Humanity has demonstrated in some instances a mysterious capacity to make last-minute redemptive decisions: it's called 'forgive and forget', and 'let's get on with it'. Even the urge for 'business as usual' can occasionally be redemptive - it helps us make new sense of rapidly-changing situations. It can even stop otherwise-unstoppable wars.

However, the steady pattern visible across recent centuries is one of refusal to embrace fundamental change. We have had much technological, economic and cultural change, yet these have consistently led to an increasing spiritual impoverishment. Changes we have seen in the 19th and 20th centuries have mainly consisted of approximate extrapolations of the same unfolding logic of civilisation - based on materialism, acquisitiveness, exploitation and short-sight. Major historic changes we have made in the last century do not guarantee human survival - the UN Charter of Human Rights, the invention of the microchip or even the Earth Summit have been laudable attempts, though these do not constitute fundamental shifts of agenda, only refinements of the previous agenda's rougher edges. Our resistance to fundamental change is such that we refuse to make changes even when we know we need to.

Our window of opportunity for planning an orderly world transition opened in the 1960s. However, in recent decades we have invested ever-increasingly in avoiding 'the Big One' - we bought into the glitz of the free-trade, economic growth-based lottery show, and many now quietly regret it. Thus, excepting possible surprises, we are heading for a full-scale whammy of an apocalypse. In our unconscious behaviour as a planetary race, we are asking for it. "Give us the Big One, so that we may learn - since we cannot learn ourselves". It's an obsessive-compulsive suicidal transformation-urge.

The 'Big One' could imply a single crux-moment, or it could imply a period of perhaps decades in which the symptoms of apocalypse unfold though a series of waves of intensity. Whichever, we are talking not of an ordered, planned change of direction for the human race, but rather of a change in the nature of order itself.

Much, much more -- http://www.palden.co.uk/hhn/essays/hhn-40.html

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The Nature of Our Times, part 2

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The first decade of the 2000s is likely involve getting on with the situation at hand, integrating changes made so far and moving things forward. Probable rapid progress of events and trends. From late 2006-2010 comes a series of Saturn aspects: oppositions to Neptune (2006-7, Leo-Aquarius) and Uranus (2008-10, Virgo-Pisces), and a square to Pluto (2009-10, Libra-Capricorn). These will present viability-challenges, forcing manifest solutions and possibly causing considerable hardship or confrontation with factual realities. The sequence might bring dislocations of power in 2006-7 and transition and healing in 2008-10, with much reorganisation and crunchy grating added. (NB: Could this represent the fall of the Bush regime?) This is a likely shock period, partially disappointing and partially catalysing concrete actions and policy-changes for later benefit.

2009 sees Uranus semisextile (30°) Neptune, promising the emergence of definite developments arising out of 1993, plus a melting of barriers to change. Then comes action. In 2012-15, Uranus forms a square (90°) to Pluto (Aries to Capricorn). This is the opening square after the conjunction of 1965-66 – a major test of what was seeded over 45 years before. This suggests a Big Problem – but if there is the will to confront it positively, it promises great breakthrough. This could be an exceptionally trying time, a material test of our ability to overcome massive hurdles. Technical and organisational implications are involved, and many new factors will jump in – it's a time of potential shock.

The innovations and ideas of the 1960s (microchips to therapies) will either come to work now, or will fail to carry the day. It's a time of emergency and crisis – the edge. It will demand much effort and definite results or big adjustments to new, shocking realities. This could also bring a major setback which, in the longterm (by the 2040s) could bring great benefit. Be it setback or breakthrough, the issues will hang around questions of force, science and technology, resources, land, finance, warfare – and more about institutions. There could be rebellion too. This is a decisive turning-point. Not easy.

In 2017-19 we see a Uranus semisquare (45°) Neptune (Aries to Pisces), a heady time, in which ideational and perceptual changes will affect how we experience things. Major attitudinal shifts. Religious, moral and creative matters could be prominent. In 2020, both Saturn and Jupiter conjunct Pluto in Capricorn, affecting governments, land, economy and law – in fact, the whole period of 1984-2020 concerns organisational structures in various ways. This could be an important time for the start of a new world institution, or for major legislation. Something of a social-political crisis, dealing with 'delivering the goods'.

Much more -- http://www.palden.co.uk/palden/pal-4tin.html

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The Next Seventy Years

...In 2012-16 we face a crunch. All that was seen and conceived in the mid-1960s will be fully under test – plus the beliefs and efforts of the generation which was deeply marked by the 1960s. Rising difficulties will force pragmatic adaptation. There will be more emphasis on structures, but particularly on the capacity of structures to handle and channel change, forced by crisis. The time for debates will be over, and the world will be faced with many imperatives – possibly even a world crisis of enormous proportions. Energy straining against containment: Uranus in Aries square (90°) Pluto in Capricorn. Choices and re-adjustments, stress between individual and society. Cooperation or breakdown. A major transition or painful ruin – or a mixture of both, depending on our choices.

The period of 2025-31 promises to be exciting, if we progress through the preceding phase: a rapid unfoldment of forward-moving events and developments, immense swings of the balance, times of genius, motion, mingling, activity and momentum. Possibly great progress in unravelling a future culture and world civilisation: Uranus in Gemini, Neptune in Aries, Pluto in Aquarius, in a triangle. Children of the 1980s and 1990s will be in power. Great potential forwardness. Either this, or if we fared badly around 2012-16, a long drudgerous experiencing of the outcomes of what happened. Yet things are not yet likely to be resolved: the 2030s will probably be acute, an ongoing knife-edge, with no ease or let-up, yet potentially there can be a great healing, decontamination and reconstruction going on. We'll have to work hard though.

Then come the 2040s, a big time of testing. By now, humanity will have to be united enough and sufficiently in unison to handle things on a planetary scale. The stakes are at their highest ever. This is breakthrough or breakdown: climate, environmental issues and food-production will probably be critical, but our group-psychological capacity to handle breakthrough and its implications will be equally so. The Uranus-Neptune square (transition-point of the cycle begun at the conjunction in 1993) in 2039-41 is closely followed by a Uranus-Pluto opposition (climax of the cycle beginning in 1965) in 2046-48. Tests of power at the beginning, and a turning-over of reality towards the end. Henceforth things will undoubtedly be different. This is it: we will know by this time if we have mastered the world crisis or not.

The good news is that, by 2061-64, we will be launching into an entirely new chapter, heading toward a new horizon, on an utterly new basis. If there is ever one beginning to a 'new world', I'd guesstimate this to be the beginning of it - what preceded the 2060s will prove, in hindsight, to be preoccupied with the 'old world' of that time. The bad news is that we could be severely reduced in number and lifestyle to a shadow of our former state, if that. It all depends on what we have previously done and not done. In the 2060s we see the Neptune-Pluto square, the first transition-point of a 500-year megacycle beginning in the 1890s, during the Victorian Age and the germination of the global village. It concerns the building of a civilisation and cycle of history which has its peak in 2140 and its completion in the 2370s – just to get the time-perspective straight! The roots of this civilisation are concealed within the principles which have been working themselves out during the 20th Century – though I would hazard to suggest that the future civilisation might possess a radically different shape to ours. It has to, because the underlying ethic of destruction on which our civilisation is currently based cannot be perpetuated into the future. And the period of transition might well turn out to be the 1960s to the 2060s, with its midpoint around 2010-15.


Much more... -- http://www.palden.co.uk/palden/pal-4-70.html

[Desertrose]

1. no matter how you read it...sounds like

we are at a major crossroads and ther ecould well be two very different worlds.....

Thanks NB...very interesting...sounds like the 60's were even more important than we thought!!!:evilgrin:

[NJCher]

2. I think we hippies had it right

The world strayed from the principles of peace and love.

Never heard of this astrologer but I'm sure glad you posted this. I love to look at the "big picture."


Cher

[NEOBuckeye]

3. Indeed, Cher. You Hippies WERE right on; Bobby Kennedy was as well

"Some men see things as they are and say, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and say, 'Why not?'"
--Robert F. Kennedy, after George Bernard Shaw

...Which is why for daring to see the entire world in a different perspective, that Bobby, his brother John, and Martin Luther King Jr. were brutally murdered, and our massive social/spiritual movement fractured, lost its way and broke down in the early 1970s.



King and the Kennedy brothers were like spiritual guides for revolutionary human change, growth and progress. I don't know why, but I have always believed that Bobby Kennedy in particular, had he survived/evaded assassination and won the presidency, would have taken the United States and the world itself down a completely different path, where ALL people mattered, and long term human growth mattered much more than that of short term greed and the unsustainable lies and abuses of economics.

But fearing what RFK with the popular support of a united and healed American people could do, very much to their detriment, I believe that a group of wealthy and powerful elitists with a gut-wrenching aversion to change and the loss of the chance to realize their own selfish ambitions, sought to kill him, and succeeded.

And now, 40 years later, Bobby and his realizations are largely forgotten. Today, instead of reaping the rewards of vision and higher mind, we are dealing with the worst of the opposite.

A few more words from Jenkins:

Between the 1960s and the 2040s we are in a watershed period – 'crossing the great water'. We shall emerge from it much changed. In the 2060s, with the Neptune-Pluto square, we will either have succeeded or failed – and we'll see the symptoms. The global civilisation seeded in the 1890s will then be a reality or a missed opportunity. The 2040s-60s in particular will possibly be looked back on as the deciding-period of human history. However, the truth is likely to be that this period needed to take place in the 20th century, by an act of voluntary wisdom on the part of humanity and its leaderships.

http://www.palden.co.uk/palden/pal-4tin.html

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After reading Jenkins' articles, I believe more now than ever that the Civil Rights Movement was supposed to represent a huge turning point in human history. In many ways, it was. But it remains incomplete. We have a ton of unfinished business that is rapidly coming due. How will we answer? How much longer will we suffer obstinate fools like Dick Cheney and George Bush, and allow them the free reign to jeopardize our lives, our Earth and our destiny?

[NEOBuckeye]

4. More on Palden Jenkins

http://www.jerusalempeacemakers.org/chn/palden.html
(Looks like he was there when everything unfolded in the 1960s as well.)

[Pallas180]

5. No matter which great astrologer you read, 2010 - 2015

is critical and dire.

As Palden writes, apparently a British Astrol, which is why we don't know him:

"The bad news is that we could be severely reduced in number and lifestyle to a shadow of our former state, if that.

It all depends on what we have previously done and not done. In the 2060s we see the Neptune-Pluto square, the first transition-point of a 500-year megacycle beginning in the 1890s, during the Victorian Age and the germination of the global village. It concerns the building of a civilisation and cycle of history which has its peak in 2140 and its completion in the 2370s – just to get the time-perspective straight! The roots of this civilisation are concealed within the principles which have been working themselves out during the 20th Century – though I would hazard to suggest that the future civilisation might possess a radically different shape to ours. It has to, because the underlying ethic of destruction on which our civilisation is currently based cannot be perpetuated into the future. And the period of transition might well turn out to be the 1960s to the 2060s, with its midpoint around 2010-15.

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I am reminded of Noah's Ark figuratively, a position humanity may well be in again...all records of inventions, technology, are on
electronic materials - and operate electrically, a luxury surely which will not be available.

Starting over (from scratch) may well be exactly where this earth and whatever inhabitants there are, will be, unless someone has the sense to preserve the ways and means and schematics of what has been achieved in the 20th century...and not on computer discs.

To Palden's supposition: "the future civilisation might possess a radically different shape to ours. It has to, because the underlying ethic of destruction on which our civilisation is currently based cannot be perpetuated into the future." - - - I think he overestimates the wisdom of humanity.

The alternative to his suggestion is a repetition, a re-start of the very manner of living and achieving that got us to this point in the first place: wars for turf and wealth and plunder, enslaving peoples to build a new world, disease and using disease to displace inhabitants of the lessened land mass which "the stronger" wish to inhabit and expand into.

And who will the survivors be who will be in a position to once again enact inhumantity upon humanity? I would venture that they will be the worst of humanity now - the military buried safely in waterproof, crushproof, radiation proof bunkers, as will be current wrong minded leaders, senators, congress people...the privileged who are currently guaranteed these bunkers.

The time to 2010 is too short to make a gigantic change in the direction the world has taken through its current leaders - and even if there were a massive change and the people, the public, were able to rid seats of power of the types who now hold those seats...5 years is just not possible to make the changes that would save the environment, turn countries around, and abolish greed and hate on the planet.

There is no time for idealistic ahopin' and awishin'.

This is a time to be practical in every sense.

[NEOBuckeye]

6. You sound quite gloomy, Pallas

Not that I fault you one bit for it. Given what we know now, and what people are doing about it, it seems that we may not have to wait for the 2040s when Jenkins says the ultimate "do or die" scenario for the future of humanity and the planet will likely play out.

Our situation, in the US at least, does seem quite bleak. But then, in some ways, haven't we been here before?

[NEOBuckeye]

7. Alternative Energy & Transport

Solar Plane Development -- Too little, too late, or just in the nick of time?
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0D857C3D-85EE-4B11-80BA-44FA2DCEF10B.htm

[NEOBuckeye]

8. The political Left is surging back, and countries are pulling together.

Internationally, it seems, if not so much here yet.

Castro joins Latin American Left to celebrate first win in Uruguay
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1270284#1270349

What's interesting is that a lot of recent events seem to be in direct reaction to Bush and GOP bullying of the world. The world is rallying together in alliances and moving forward without us.

[Pallas180]

9. Gloomy? No.Pragmatic.Realistic.Yes. And no, We have never been here b4.

It is not expected to be similar to 1929, but much much much worse.
Apparently 1929 would look like a cake walk in comparison.

1929 had economic meltdown and people jumping out of windows because they had lost their fortunes, and millions out of work.

What is expected is not only peak oil, economic meltdown, lack of food,disease and major earth changes accompanyng it such as the tsunamis and earthquakes (if not nuclear war). Thus the talk of the
loss of millions of lives.

Is there anything we can do about it as individuals or as groups?
Apparently not...the government has taken a path leading to the economic meltdown, and has not sposnored urgently, a race to replace oil as fuel, both the basis of the world's economy and the infrastructure...food is transported through the use of oil/gas.
Life is sustained through the use of heating oil as is air conditioning.

Most problems can be solved by individuals. This is a problem that the individual cannot solve for himself or others. We are unable to get through to a government by the oil corporations, for the oil corporations, and of the corporations....that has led us into this mess.

But even without the insane direction of this government, there is nothing we can do about the earth changes. We are as able to change the result of a tsunami or earthquake or mudslide or flood as the people of Indonesia were.

No we have never been here before - unless you want to take the bible story of Noah and the Ark, or Atlantis and Lemuria literally.
It begins to appear they were not myths.

In any case, to my mind, Pluto at 24, 25, 26 Sagittarius will be the degrees to watch

[NEOBuckeye]

10. I agree that it's very likely too late to stop the Earth changes

But I'm thinking that maybe they were inevitable, anyhow, with or without our wanton use of fossil fuel. Though pouring tons of carbon-oxide compounds into the atmosphere over the past century certainly hasn't done us any favors.

A lot of geologists seem to think that the last several thousand years have been an unusual "window of stability" between much more unpredictable and sometimes wildly fluxuating weather conditions. We will probably be going back to those conditions. There will be more hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, famine, freezing winters, sizzling hot summers -- and many more people than ever before to suffer through them all.

I'm not entirely convinced, however, that we are careening into inevitable Nuclear War at this point, even as fossil fuel depletion looms large over the horizon. World War III would seem to be the result of a total breakdown of international diplomacy and relations. If anything, in spite of increasing scarcity of resources, most of the world's current and rising global powers are forming alliances and trade agreements with each other, though they are in many ways as a counter to US Neo-Conservative/Corporate-driven Neo-Imperialism.

What's particularly interesting as of late is the formation of alliances/agreements between the EU, Russia, China and India -- and Iran. Bush's visit to the EU and Russia did absolutely nothing to curb these moves. Quite the contrary, it seems to have even encouraged them. With so much global support and attention being focused upon Iran right now, it seems increasingly unlikely that the US NeoCons are going to have their way with another Mideast nation as they did with Iraq.

On the other hand, a Nuclear War/World War III scenario might very well involve a showdown between The World and a United States gone totally rogue. The Bush Administration, with the likes of criminal thug (and heart patient, in more ways than one) Dick Cheney at the helm, in suicidal, delusional desperation, might launch a first "preemptive" attack against Iran. That would, at this point, have the effect of pulling the Europeans, Russians and Chinese into the conflict as defenders of Iran, and could open up a huge, unprecedented worldwide "free-for-all" far more frightening and destructive than World War II ever was, even at its' absolute worst.

I don't put anything past these guys in the White House right now. And as I've said before, I don't think they will be vanquished from power in the traditional sense, as we have known it every four years since the founding of the US. The Bush/Neo-Conservative Faction has no intention of losing an election ever again. I think they, if they have their way, have every intention of suspending all laws, calling off the election of 2008, and installing Bush as the American version of Il Duce forever. I think the real monster behind everything going on right now in this country is Dick Cheney, a man whose heart is as thoroughly rotten in spirit as it is in physical form, and I don't think that is pure coincidence. Though he may yet be representative of an even greater evil at work, I name him as the most imminent threat to our future and survival as a species on this planet.

I don't know, Pallas. I often vacillate between gloom and doom and somewhat pragmatic optimism these days. There are days when part of me really wants to drag the rest of my body off somewhere to bury my head in the sand and hide while the entire world becomes unhinged. And then, there is my other side -- the "pick yourself up when you are down, never give in, never give up" side which keeps pushing me forward, with the idea that somehow we will overcome even this monster of monstrous challenges. Maybe it's just my survival instict, or the fact that I'm 26 years old and still feel like I have something to live and fight for, even in spite of the darkness and destruction the future may hold.

Guess I've still got a stake in humanity and this planet. I can't resign myself to defeat. Not without a damn good fight first.

At any rate, Pluto is at 24 Sagittarius now, and about to go Retrograde. It will return to 24 Sag in December and reach 25 Sag just after the start of the new year, in January 2006. So it seems, that is when the real intensity begins.

[Pallas180]

11. That's the wonderful thing about

youth:

"survival instict, or the fact that I'm 26 years old "

the world is youth's oyster, and youth feels there is nothing they
can't accomplish - and often there isn't, if they're very mature and intelligent.

I remember being there, :0 - and having accomplished much which was not the usual for someone of that age - my mother wanted me to keep a diary - of course I didn't - but she was right - things I have done and been through would make quite a book !

Whether it's energy or hormones - much of the future of the human race will depend on "youth's" energy and intellect.

World War 3 ?

Another astrologer, well known writer, and I discussed that online prior to the attack on Iraq. We were wondering if WW3 had started; and we decided it had.

I think History will probably name dumbot's actions back then as the beginning of WW3.

There is no doubt in my mind that we will be at war against our former allies France and Germany as well as China, Russia - and many others.

[Pallas180]

12. From Nolle's March 2005 site posted by Dover: Pluto at 24

Pluto's retrograde station at 24° 31' Sagittarius on the 26th is the other major celestial reversal of late March. Falling so close to sensitive points in the US Declaration of Independence (opposite Mars) and Federal Reserve (conjunct Venus) charts, as well as conjunct the Galactic Center, this particular Pluto station seems to point to significant developments focusing on the American economy and financial system. Falling so close to the Saturn station in Cancer, I suspect this is part and parcel of the dollar decline trend - but a new contribution to that momentum. And since both stations are within a degree of exact all month, the triggering event could happen anytime at all in March . . . perhaps in association with the March 7 Mars opposition to Saturn. Given that both stations portend uncertainty and a reversal of previous trends, it's hard to envision a scenario where the financial markets do much of anything other than take profits and retrench. And again, this may already be in progress as the month gets underway . . .

http://www.astropro.com/forecast/predict/2005-03.html

[Pallas180]

13. Geologists are not astrologers or they would know

that every 25,to 26,000 years or so astrologers expect the earth undergoes cataclysmic changes and disruptions....so that their assumption :

geologists seem to think that the last several thousand years have been an unusual "window of stability" between much more unpredictable and sometimes wildly fluxuating weather conditions. We will probably be going back to those conditions. There will be more hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, famine, freezing winters, sizzling hot summers

is not in agreement with astrological calculations.

[Pallas180]

14. The 25,000 "Great Year" - Dec 12 - 18 2012 on the Mayan Calendar

As astrologers, we already have different rules for interpreting the ancient planets and the transpersonal planets, both by natal position and by transit. So now we will have to roll up our sleeves and learn the new rules for interpreting this new category of planets of which Sedna is first and the harbinger.

Each category has its own unique characteristics. The ancient planets define the conscious personality, the transpersonal planets describe the evolution of the soul, and the Great Year planets describe the evolution of humanity over thousands of years.

This is significant, for the Great Year, the precession of the equinoxes, is on a cycle of approximately 25,770 years, and these new planets which include Sedna will be tracking the half-cycle fairly closely, which is a major cusp point for the evolution of humanity and civilization as it once was and could be.

Few modern astrologers care to note the precession cycle, but in ancient astrological traditions the full 25,770-year precession cycle (the Great Year is the modern term) was considered critical in the evolution of humanity. Halfway points (about 12,885 years) and quarter cycle points (about 6,442 years) are also highly significant points of evolutionary change for humanity in this cycle.

For instance, the ancient Mayan calendar, with its staggeringly accurate calculations, reflects this precession-of-the-equinoxes awareness in its concluding date in December, 2012. Contrary to so many New Age doom-sayers, the December, 2012, date is simply a demarcation date in the precession of the equinoxes, a demarcation date indicating the official end of an old Great Year and simultaneously the beginning of a new Great Year, as understood by a now-lost ancient tradition which pre-dates the Maya by an unknown number of milennia.

What happens on Dec. 18, 2012 is the Sun, the ecliptic, and the centre of the galaxy are conjunct, an astronomical event which only takes place once every 25,770 years due to the precession of the equinoxes. When we realize that the centre of the galaxy (now known to be a black hole, which is in effect a dimensional gap to the metaphysical planes) was considered by Mayan cosmology to be the sacred place out of which God emerges, it is easy to understand how this convergence of Sun, ecliptic, and galatic centre could evolve as the demarcation point for the Great Year. There does have to be a beginning and ending point for this ongoing circular event, and Dec. 18, 2012 clearly was the point annointed by ancient civilizations to mark the ending/beginning.

For you trivia buffs: Sedna's position on Dec. 18, 2012 is conjunct the Moon's South Node, which certainly calls forth an energy of historical victimization of humanity. Interestingly, this augurs a change for the better, for on that same date a Yod (finger of God) apex Jupiter (base Pluto sextile Saturn) opposing a conjunction of Venus and Mercury at the Yod's trigger point is a most auspicious configuration for the beginning of a new Great Year, provided the T-square apexed by a conjunction of the Moon, Chiron, and Neptune to the Jupiter-Venus opposition does not distort the Jupiter-Venus opposition in the yod. (Please don't email me on this one. I already know this extraordinary configuration needs a detailed webpage to explain in full.)

What makes Sedna compelling in the mundane context is that it is the first of what promises to be an entire category of planets which loosely, at least, correlate with this Great Year half-cycle. These planets will have a significant bearing on mundane astrology, and may even open up a new branch of astrology dedicated to the evolution of humanity over tens of thousands of years, a study of the human condition which current mainstream academic thinkers cannot even grasp much less begin. Most are still in denial that there was any sort of human civilization or evolution going on more than 5,000 years ago. That the Sphinx is now dated to be at least 10,000 years old is conveniently ignored by these narrow-minded mainstream individuals.

What we are seeing here is clearly the beginning of an astrology which speaks to the evolution of humanity. Questions such as what was the state of humanity 12,000 years ago (the halfway point of the current Great Year) and 25,000 years ago (the beginning of the current Great Year) spring up without emperical answers, which at present leaves us little choice but to mine the wealth of ancient legends available, an investigation beyond the scope of this website. However, the legends of the fall of Lemuria (about 25,000 years ago) and the fall of Atlantis (about 12,000 years ago) come to mind immediately. If such things interest you, click on a good search engine and surf off to the stories of these ancient lands and times.

http://www.karmastrology.com/Sedna-meaning.shtml