Okay now that they are laughing their asses off at me in GD,

[Cleita]

I thought I would share this with a more receptive audience. Philosoraptor asked if we would be going to war with Iran.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3588228

I thought this would be a good question to put to the Tarot. This is a more detailed posting of that reading. I did Celtic Cross. Since I lost my little program with a computer crash that I was able to put the cards up to see, I will just have to write them down. This is my interpretation of those cards. They may not be all the classic interpretations but it's what the cards spoke to me as I looked at this spread.

Card #1, what covers this issue: Temperance -R

A conflict of interests covers this issue.

Card #2, what crosses it: Page of Swords

There is covert actions and spying regarding the conflict of interests.

Now in the past, this is what the cards speak to me.

Card #3, what is beneath it: The Tower

The Tower in this instance can only mean 9-11 to me, that brought all this war in the ME to begin with. It gave BushCo the excuse to start these wars.

Card #4, what is behind it: The King of Cups-R

And here is the saber rattler himself, a ruler with light brown hair and blue eyes, who in the reverse indicates a man of violence, dishonest and double-dealing.

Card #5, what crowns it: The Star-R

Hovering over this issue, giving the issue its juice is this card reversed, which indicates to me the stubbornness that BushCo is pursuing with even though it all points to disaster.

Card #6, what is before it: The Heirophant

In the immediate future is this card, which I believe stands for the fundamentalist religions that are looking for this war because they believe it will begin the apocalypse.

Card #7, what is feared: The Five of Wands

This card is pretty clear. The conflict within their ranks that people won't go for an attack on Iran is feared.

Card #8, what others think: The Four of Wands

The four of wands means most want peace not war.

Card #9, what the saber rattlers want: The Page of Pentacles

This card seems to mean that the saber rattlers are wanting the good news that an attack with Iran is imminent.

Card #10, what will be the outcome: The King of Wands

It looks like some nation, maybe a European nation or group of nations will have the final say in this.

The number of major arcana cards indicates to me that the universe is looking on this with interest and are influencing the outcome. There are forces in play in high and powerful places.

Since I wanted an clearer answer I drew three more cards:

They were: The Page of Wands, reversed, the four of swords and The Fool reversed.

Unpleasant news (P of Wr), will be brought that there will be no strife to our Fool, GWBush.

I took the Fool rather literally this time as well as the Tower because they are screaming that interpretation. So I believe the cards have spoken. This maladministration will not get the permission they want to invade Iran.

[stellanoir]

1. Oh sweetie

You are good to make this effort. I'm terribly fond of Philosoraptor and voted "no" in his poll. He's quite the character.

Maybe it's delusional but in the run up to the Iraq invasion and occupation, I sincerely and palpably thought, "there's no stopping these bozos."

My sense about Iran, and I **have** heard both Ritter and Sy Hersch, is that cooler heads will ultimately prevail.

The military is too over extended and stretched and broken and the joint chiefs know that. We simply don't have the firepower or the manpower anymore for such an endeavor.

However, the unfortunate events of this morning are not encouraging.

I'm concerned about the Mars Saturn conjunction tomorrow.

Let's maybe envision the best and a neutralization of this and all dilemmas.

Thanks for the spread.

[Cleita]

2. Is that what is going on Stella,

a Mars Saturn conjunction. Oh dear!

[stellanoir]

3. Yup @ 2:12 pm EDT

grrrrr

[conscious evolution]

4. Excuse my ignorance

Mars-Saturn conjuction?

[Qutzupalotl]

5. together (apparently) in the sky

Check it out:
http://www.earthsky.org/skywatching/on-july-10-and-11-mars-and-saturn-close

[stellanoir]

6. Okay Mars conjoins Saturn roughly about every 2 years, give or take 6 months depending

on retrogration cycles.

Mars represents (in part) the will of the individual. Saturn represents (in part) the rules and laws of physical reality, and is related to authoritative structures, and is akin to the Emperor Card.

When individuals are experiencing adverse Mars/Saturn aspects the metaphor I generally use is that it feels as though one is trying to carve Mount Rushmore and being only equipped with a plastic butter knife. It's rather daunting.

Let's maybe just sustain our prayers for peace throughout the next 24 hours at the very least.

The people of our country don't want any further conflict nor do the good people of Iran.

peace

[rumpel]

7. thanks for the reading...

I also think there is just no way an attack or much less a war with Iran is even feasible.

It would be The Ultimate Fool Card - as this administration will bring down the industrial complex with it - this time.
p.s. I believe it is bush 1 & cheney. bush 2 is an ornament. :)

I will send positive vibes for peace - in any event.

[Cleita]

10. I agree. That PNAC group that includes Dick Cheney and, I believe

covertly, George HW are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

[crikkett]

8. You're very brave.

Thanks for the tarot reading.

I was in the military, in training, when GHWB attacked Iraq in '91. A group of us snuck up to the lounge after taps and listened to coverage on the radio, and used a ouigi (however that's spelled) board to ask if the fight would go nuclear.

The board said yes.

It didn't happen, but of the throngs of kids who ran to their CC's the next day wanting to transfer to a combat unit, nobody from the seance was among them.

[Cleita]

9. Maybe Ouija wasn't entirely wrong.

What about the depleted uranium that is used in weapons? However, my own experience with the Ouija board is that it isn't very accurate.

[Why Syzygy]

11. After watching a

news brief with the new US Ambassador to the UN, here's the drift I caught >>> SANCTIONS
Just as they did to Iraq, they want to weaken Iran with a boat load of Sanctions. No one in their half right mind would try to attack Iran as she stands. Sanctions had rendered Iraq null and void. But that was all ignored when the lies were tossed out. If they didn't work to protect Iraq, why believe the real intent of sanctions are DIPLOMATIC! They are intended to bring them to their knees for some future date of destruction. JMO (Page of Pentacles?)

Thanks for the reading. I agree!

[windoe]

12. I have different take on this interesting tarot pull

(tarot being a hologram, and what everyone sees is a facet of this hologram...here's mine:)

1-Temperance- is Americans will to balance our collective temper. Most of us do not wish for war. it is the war machine that needs to be controlled.
2-Page swords- new ways of thinking is our challenge, new messages, new information made available
3- Tower- the power structures that are falling apart in the US, infrastructure, economy-they are being transformed
4-King of Cups -Obama speaks to the heart
5-Star- is our hope despite pandoras box opening, we must focus on HOPE (which is Obamas message, interesting)
6-Hierophant-necessary spiritual learning, but must be based on love and not fear
7-5 Wands-there is dissent in the ranks, some people are allied with the old power paradigm of violence and fear, while others are working for peace
8- 4 Wands- we are seen to be working out our strategy, a pause
9-Page of Pentacles- new funds available, perhaps from a new source, as in non corporate funds, public donations
10-King of Wands- the new administration, skilled and adept and able to take the reins.

I have hope that this possibility is what lies in the future, and I hold a strong clear intent for a peaceful outcome of these volatile times.