Psychic Consortium Thread V

[Psychic Consortium]

Continuing from this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=83742&mesg_id=83742

Please post any further responses to that thread below.
Thank you!

[Shallah Kali]

1. I keep getting intense feelings of something wonderful is coming

Instead of impending doom I feel impending something so wonderful I can find the words for it and feel like I could happily burst from it. It makes me want to jump up and down and grab people by the hands and tell them something wonderful is coming! something wonderful is coming! Actually I did that to my Mother once who hopes it means her winning the lottery :p This started long before Obama was elected and is just as strong when it hits me since so I know it wasn't simply the end of bush/cheney rule.

Does any of hte Psychic Consortium pick up anything specific relating to my sense of impending wonderfulness? Also can you give an opinion on how much raising one's personal energy effects others around them? I am hoping my personal development is helpful in the hundredth monkey sort of effect!

[Sanity Claws]

3. I'm glad to hear this

I have a feeling that things are changing and that I have to be ready to change with them. Slowly but surely, I'm seeing a change in my mindset allowing me to feel more comfortable with change and lack of a road map. I have a friend who is still very much stuck in the old ways and, like Shallah Kali, wonder whether my changes will help him evolve.

[Psychic Consortium]

8. Changes

We all need to be flexible and hopeful at this time.
And yes our attitude and energy can help others.

While the old road maps may not be of much use,
be on the look out for doors opening.

[Delphinus]

5. Your message,

"Something wonderful is coming!" was what HAL said to Dave in 2010: The Year We Make Contact.

HAL's voice was so soothing - I can hear him now ... and you too!

[Psychic Consortium]

7. The new energy

Many clairvoyants who can feel energy are reporting the same kind of thing that you are feeling. The new energy feels softer, fresher, much more hopeful.

Some report finally feeling like they are in the right time and place.
They are now comfortable in their own skins.

Raising one's personal energy is one of the reasons we are here.
It most certainly helps others in a significant way by raising
their energy levels as well.

Also the higher our levels the more we can absorb the new energy being sent to us.

[Shallah Kali]

25. Cosmic Power Surges

At the same time I started feeling the sense of Impending Wonderfulness I also started getting massive infusions of energy that would come in through my crown chakra, zip throughout my body and flow out my feet. It is like some sort of cosmic kundalini but in reverse. Also it usually happened at the same time I would get that surge of joy that something wonderful was going to happy any minute although the power surge lasted longer. Sometimes they lasted almost the entire day with only little dips in strength. It felt good just *intense* as if I was a high voltage power line carrying a full load and more than a little distracting at times. Very little felt like it was intended for me personally so I never tried to direct it just upped my personal work so I could be the clearest channel I am capable of.

I hope this isn't too personal a thing to ask PC about but I would love to know if you can detect what exactly this stuff is. Is it something to do with the blending of dimensions, the photon belt, something else, or all of the above?

[Psychic Consortium]

33. Higher energy sources

Many of those who are sensitive report similar experiences.

It is felt that the sources are as you mention, as we move through space we are being exposed to higher level stars, planets, the photon belt, etc. This is part of what is causing the 2012 cycle change.

We are also being sent a great deal of energy from higher beings. Angels, ascended masters, etc.

We also had a big tick up in the energy coming from the planet after Obama's election.

We are taking a look at your energy to see if there is any other source...it sounds as though you are being asked to hold light and energy
as part of the human energy grid.

[Shallah Kali]

36. Thank you PC for this information

It is a relief to know I am not the only one experiencing things like this! And again it makes me even more determined to work on myself so I be the best channel of energy that I am capable of for the sooner I do my part anchoring these good energies in the sooner our goal will be reached.

Thank you all again! I am very glad Psychic Consortium is back so please keep posting as much as you like :)

[Shallah Kali]

62. I have been thinking about your reply to my question and it brought something to mind

I once had a picture come to me as I was discussing earth changes and 2012 with a friend. In it I saw a multitude of people anchoring higher energies in the earth so that when a shift happened there was no violence to it. Everything just gracefully dropped into place and the old energies dissolved as if they had never been. They just flew off like sparks from a fire and vanished. Is this just a lovely picture or could this be one of the many possibilities, however remote, that PC can see?

Thank you all again for taking the time to answer our multitude of questions :)

[Psychic Consortium]

67. Human energy grid

Yes this is consistent with what PC has been seeing. A great deal of light is being sent to this planet from a number of sources.

Humans with higher vibrational levels are able to hold and anchor more energy. This in turn raises the vibrational level of all. For those of you who wish they could “do more”, you are doing a great deal without even knowing it. You are anchoring light and energy.

And yes this helps reduce violence, as well as increases awareness, goodness, justice, etc. As you can see, more and more people are feeling it. The recent elections, the triumph of good over evil.

The existing violence in the mideast, US greed, and corruption are feeling much more unacceptable to most.

[MagickMuffin]

2. Namaste, Psychic Consortium: A few questions

From reading in the other thread.

1. Does this mean the Bank/Wall Street robber barons will go scot-free without ANY kind of penalties?.?.?

I for one think they should see jail time for stealing us blind, I'm having a hard time with the forgiveness thing. They knew what they were doing was WRONG and yet they "needed" a bailout so they could profit off it and give themselves BIG bonuses.

2. How will we recoup the money that the bailout was going to help with the economy?.?.?

I have a Bank of America credit card I have been informed that my credit of $10,000 has been lowered down to $1000 (needless to say I won't be using there card anymore) yet they received a very large sum of money from me as a Taxpayer.

3. Will the stimulus money be invested in programs that will create jobs so people can return to work?.?.?

4. Will the stimulus bill pass?.?.?


I'm also have difficulty in finding forgiveness for anyone associated with the republican party. They have created this mess and now We the People are of the realization that they are the party mostly responsible for the pain and suffering we are experiencing as a nation.


5. Do you foresee the republican party in its last throes?.?.?

6. Will the American people hold them responsible for their actions?.?.?

7. Can you forecast what the 2010 elections will look like for them?.?.?


I do believe that there is definitely a shift in Consciousness taking place. Not very noticeable right now, but I think probably before years end it will be more transparent.

I don't like the feeling I have about the mess we're in and it's hard to concentrate on making the changes I want to make regarding my spiritual growth. But I try to put it out of my mind while I reconnect with that side of my Esoteric/Metaphysical training.

Thank you for coming back and posting:hi:

edit: typo :blush:

[Psychic Consortium]

9. Those who have done wrong and consequences

PC has received important messages about this issue. While in general there is a strong sense of some consequences for those who have done wrong, the particulars are in a state of flux because of free will issues. We are all involved in a very karmic time, with events unfolding daily.

PC does see consequences for those who have done wrong. But it is up to the American people to decide the nature and extent of those consequences.

It is a very karmic time and the American people have some deep soul searching to do. It is up to them to determine the consequences for those who have done so much harm to the country. It is not up to Obama to sort this out for the people. The American public must come to grips with the issue. Obama will be a part of the chain but certainly not the one who drives the issues.

From a karmic perspective, it is not Obama’s issue to deal with. It is the American public who let events unfold. They are the ones who much make choices on how to handle wrong doers.

The Republican Party is also in a karmic cycle. Their future does not look at all good if they continue the way they are going. But they have choices. If they continue in this vein they will be subject to deep humiliation and rejection. The only way they can survive is to admit what they have done, apologize and pledge to help fix the damage they have caused. 2010 is not looking good for them unless they make some changes.

More and more whistle blowers will come forward, it has only begun. There will be overwhelming evidence of wrong doing in many parts of the government and private industry.

At the very least there will be public derision for the wrong doers who will face deep shame. To the extent they face legal consequences is totally up the American public to decide. This is their karma to decide. After so many years of doing the wrong thing, can the public finally do the right thing? Karma time for many.

[Psychic Consortium]

10. The mess we are in and spiritual growth

It feels like we are supposed to deal with the mess we are in as part of our spiritual growth. We are here to learn some lessons.

We are to take our esoteric learnings and apply it to our current realities. In the past, esoteric has felt so separate from every day reality. Now the two must merge. Spirituality must blend with current personal and political realities.

[Psychic Consortium]

11. Stimulus Plan

Yes it is looking like it will pass.
And will be successful.
It will not be magic, but overall successful.
Obama will move the country forward.

[Psychic Consortium]

26. Consequences for those who have done wrong

As indicated, it is a very karmic time for the American
people concerning consequences for criminal behavior
on the part of our public servants and corporate leaders.

The extent of action is not yet decided by the people.
However as indicated in PC posts from some months back,
it is still seen that at the very least the wrong doers
are looking at great shame, humiliation, financial loss,
and ongoing legal battles in civil court and regulatory agencies.

[MagickMuffin]

39. Thank you for ALL the feedback on my questions

I appreciate your answers.

It has given me food for thought. During the election over the summer and into the fall, my hubby redesigned the TarrantObama website to be more of a community based website, however, now that the election is over it seems as though it has become abandoned.

But your responses has made me start to think that we NEED to continue to network and become more involved with how we need to still have an active role and helping set policy and perhaps even an agenda to help Obama implement the changes that this country needs to move forward.

TarrantObama had a strong support system in place to help GOTV this past November. The website has ways to actively stay in touch and continue to work for the Obama campaign. Obama's message throughout the campaign was WE the People have to be active and not just reactive. My intention now getting this group active again. The campaign IS not over IT is just beginning.



"This campaign isn't about me, this campaign is about you."

"My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington."

"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."

"Change does not come from the top down, Change comes from the bottom up."

"I always believe that ultimately, if people are paying attention, then we get good government and good leadership. And when we get lazy, as a democracy and civically start taking shortcuts, then it results in bad government and politics."

"Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential. "

"Americans... still believe in an America where anything's possible - they just don't think their leaders do."

"Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential."

"We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom, the empathy to understand what it's like to be poor or African-American or gay or disabled or old - and that's the criterion by which I'll be selecting my judges."

"I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody."

"If the people cannot trust their government to do the job for which it exists - to protect them and to promote their common welfare - all else is lost."

"If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress."

"In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or a politics of hope?"

All the above quotes are from President Barack Obama.

More quotes here: http://www.barackobama.net/barack-obama-quotes.html



Thank you again for giving me encouragement to get the ball rolling once again.

Namaste :hug:

[Psychic Consortium]

40. You said: "The campaign IS not over. IT is just beginning."

This is very correct. The election was only the first step
toward "a more perfect union."

Obama is creating an environment in which the people are empowered
and a part of government. He is creating a tremendous amount of interest in his governing style for the purpose of involving all of us in the process.

There is so much work to be done.

[Psychic Consortium]

41. Most important is that the truth comes out

PC sees that the most critical factor in healing and moving forward as a people is that the truth comes out about the illegalities and incompetence of the past leadership. There is more to be seen.

The first step is determining the truth of the matter in all areas of the government. Once the facts are in, the people then determine the legal options and course of action.

[mntleo2]

43. Forgiveness ...

...Believe me, I am *not* wanting to forgive these greedy people but ...I somehow know it is going to have to come. I believe many of the poor especially have taken on the burden while we were being impugned, blamed for the way things are in American, and then punished for other people's excesses. I hate to say it, but the shoedenfreude (or however you spell it) is all but a joy to have. The "all but" part of this joy is the thing that is eating my joy. Because I know I have to forgive.

I guess what I want to see is some sorrow and realization as to the damage that was done and was being done for centuries, but especially during these "greed is good" times. When I first heard that phrase, it made me sick inside and I knew it was not good. I have come to see that greed has got to be the one major "sin" that has massively decimated not only our country, but our whole world. It is making Gaea sick, if we decided that greed was as much of a sin as say, stealing, we would then begin to attack its roots. But shame never stopped anythng, it only puts it underground is all. The eradication of greed encompasses it all imo.

Still who am I to judge? My own poverty has made me greedy, full of fear that when I am need, I will have to do without. Still I survive, my loved ones eat, I am warm at this moment ...and though my greed is not in the global sense that billionaires have and far smaller, it is STILL greed. The only way I cope with my desire to "hoard" is to share whatever I have with others who need it and this has been a good practice as I find if I can answer another's need, this is a good thing all around. But there is much I need to release that I keep inside that does not want to go! So I can understand in many ways the greed of the rich.

This was hard to write and admit here, but it is true. I can justify it with; when you are in desperate want you feel the need deeper, but I know this is no excuse. I continue to share ...but it is not enough. I keep hearing the Master telling the rich man, "If ye want to see the Kingdom then you have to sell everything you have, take up your cloak and follow Me ..." If I gave up things like my couch and bed and hit the road with a 3 year old, this does not seem like the thing to do. Besides I am nobody, nobody would notice, but I know somehow shedding greed is what needs to be done in some sense by us all ~ myself included!

Maybe it begins by starting here by forgiving myself for being so fearful,admitting my own terror, which maybe came from other lives where I was in want? Am I destined to re-live this until I no longer care? I hope spelling it out here helps because I am struggling with forgiving when the poor has been a target of blame for so long. I am mad and defensive and full of this sense of disgust for what I see. I know it is for good reason but ... Where can I put that???

Thank-you for this thread. It hit a nerve, lol. Lots to think about ...

Love,
Cat In Seattle

[FirstLight]

44. Wow, I am right there with you!

I too have had that feeling that poverty brings...the desires. The wish for something nice and to be able to walk into a store and get whatever I want, without having to look at the cost... yes, I guess it is greed... but I guess it is also that part of me that wants to be able to play on that field. Because I know if I had THAT kind of wealth and power...I would surely be USING it for helping others!


Lately I have had this vision of the playing field being leveled all over again, like a RESET button of sorts when it comes to money. I don't pretend to know how it would go down when SO many are entrenched in their excesses.
When stories come on the news about the crazy spending and greedy behavior - I think about taking all the money they spent and all the "extra" those few people have - and giving it to a program to start neighborhod gardens, to help build houses, to feed the poor....etc Maybe by seeing it and calling it in over & over it will make it a gentler transition.

I am in no mood to relive the lifetime of storming the Bastille! lol

[mntleo2]

45. Yes ...and I cannot seem to make it go away ...

I have been aware for awhile of my own greed. Still I do not let it go. I have not felt so much the desire to be able to buy whatever I want but ...just to HAVE whatever we need whenever we need it. This leads to keeping things I do *not* need but *might* need them, am I making any sense?

The problem with this for me inside is that perhaps someone else does need what I have. When I know that, I give it away or share it (if I need some too), but there is still a lot more I could give if I knew where to do it. I think it has to do with controlling SOMETHING when in poverty, life seems so ...uncontrollable and random as to getting needs met.

Many of us in poverty in jest call it "involuntary simplicity" because many upper income people have the choice of "voluntary simplicity" where they shed all the things they think they no longer "need" like that 2nd car (when my FIRST one is dying and boy could I use a decent car that I can depend upon and oh Lord I wish it were "greener")! Or all those nice things in their closet they got rid of (when I am lucky to have one nice thing that fits nice and looks good and is appropriate for whatever I am doing/going/participating in). Or say, if they decided they do not need heat in their homes, they can just wear sweaters, well, a: they have nice warm sweaters that fit them and look nice to wear, and b: they can always turn the heat back on if it doesn't work, or c: they can buy something "greener" that will heat them AND wear those nice sweaters. Meanwhile my "involuntary simplicity" embodies that I am burning wood that pollutes and causes so many breathing problems with others because that is the way I can keep myself and my 3 year old warm because I cannot afford the elctric heat in my home...

The truth is that these "voluntary simplistic people" can always buy whatever they "gave up" if they discover they "need" it again. I cannot do that and worse in order to answer my needs I may need stuff to do it with that I cannot just toss out because I can't easily replace it, soooo...thus the need to keep things I do not need ~ for now, lol.

To be honest with you I do not think the Universe wants us to be in want and if we just realized that "thoughts are things" and whatever we need WILL manifest itself, this seems so simple. Even in physics I can see that in the law "nothing is ever destroyed, merely re-organized ..." But "re-organized into WHAT????" is what my doubts ask, lol. So until any of us can truly trust that is true ...something tells me we WILL have greed. Somebody will always think they "need" more than the next guy (and maybe they will depending on their circumstances). But that is not the only aspect of greed. It is not just what "others" have that you do not (sort of an envy thing), it is also about being afraid to not have what YOU need, or being so needy you freeze/starve/have no home. It is about losing control over your reality (or at least I think it is with me). It is a slippery thing to grasp within one's self and merely trying to justify whatever way it manifests itself, is still something to wrestle with and change.

Soooo, how do you change that??? Inquiring minds want to know! I think if we could find the keys to greed, we would do a hell of a lot to change the world into something that is better, am I wrong?

Love
Cat

[I Have A Dream]

47. Cat, I don't feel that what you are describing about yourself...

is greed. Yes, it is desire, but, in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with desire. Greed to me is excessive and insatiable. What you describe is "need". Why do you feel so guilty for wanting enough to take care of yourself and your family? You are an amazing child of the Universe who deserves abundance as much as anyone else. (More than most, in my opinion.) To call it greed belittles the beautiful person that you are and your very real needs that deserve to be met.

I hope that you will be more gentle and forgiving of yourself. I wish that I could make the world a better place for you. What you go through breaks my heart. :cry:

:hug:

[mntleo2]

61. the wonderful thing about being in need is ...

...when you get needs met you *never* take them for granted. It just makes it much sweeter, and for that, I am grateful. It is just the awesome task of making sure the little one has her needs met ~ and that she learn as PC has said, the difference between need and want. You NEED food, a home, and love. You WANT that IPod like your friend has. She is only 3 but all the time she has been with me, she teaches me about love. I learned a lot with my own kids and I love them for that. But this one, well she was a special gift. People often tell me what a good thing I am doing to raise her. But they have *no* idea as to the joy she brings to me! Raising her later in life when most people my age are just "retired" has taught me that I should never forget what it is like to be young. We've have danced and played air guitar in the front room to Hannah Montana, we laughed like hyenas about Baloo the bear in the Disney movie Jungle Book. The other day I was at the store and reached into my pocket for some change. I drew out a My Little Pony figure (with cookie crumbs in its mane) and it made me laugh out loud. The little one wasn't with me and it must have been odd for the cashier to see an older woman pull something like that out of my pocket, but all I thought was, "the Universe is saying, "Umgawa!"

I KNOW I would never be doing any of that if she was not there and so it is of utmost importance to make sure she never wants if I can help it because what she brings to me is ...well there are no words. It scares the crap out of me to think I might die before she is ready, or we lose the fragile security I try to give to her. Most people I know that are my age are busy taking care of themselves, they've raised their families and they are able to do what they want when they want to. I kind of feel sorry for them because it all seems so ...empty compared to what this little one brings to me. Oh sure there is the demands, the annoying "never resting" stuff, but she is worth it to me! The truth is I need her as much as she needs me ...

Thank-you for those kind words. Maybe you are right, and I shouldn't be so hard on myself, but perhaps it is the parent in me that has not yet died. It sure seems like greed to me to have that constant fear that somehow we will end up on the street and how I scrounge and keep things "in case we might need it ..." It is not an unrealistic fear, but man, you have helped me re-visit that, while we have this home, and while we have something to eat and when the car starts, and our bed is warm, well hey, life is VERY sweet!

Thank-you so much for reminding me of that!

Love
Cat

[Psychic Consortium]

51. On this planet we live in a toxic soup on many levels

We live in a world distorted by human and physical toxins, until we don’t really know the difference between want and need. Between desire and greed. Between envy and human longing.

But that is why we are here. The purpose of living in a human body in this reality is to learn about human frailties and joy. To feel the feelings good and bad. To experience all that is.

A soul can be given abstract learning on the other side. But it is in a classroom like Earth where it all sinks in and becomes real.

Self-examination can be good, but we must be kind and forgive ourselves. We have lived through a difficult time. And we are all children of God on a learning path.

[Desertrose]

52. Hmmm...

I'm not sure I would label it "greed" to want to have the things that make a life comfortable and free from worry about your own survival.

I agree the Universe/Spirit does not want us to "lack"...that's all on us I guess. I'm not sure that someone who wants a bit of security and freedom from worry about their day to day survival by having things that make their life more pleasant would be considered "greedy".

Again...if we constantly feel the lack of what we don't have (wanting) rather than the gratitude for what we DO have, that would certainly effect things....

I know from first hand experience that being poor really grinds you down and its damn hard not to want...especially for your loved ones....but then wanting to take care of those we love is a good thing.

:hug:Love yourself....thats always my lesson anyway:)
DR


As far as the others...they have more than just greed for things...they have greed for power & control- a whole different set of learnings!

[Psychic Consortium]

54. DR is correct

We are all human, and as such, have human longings and desires.
Especially when a person has been without for a long period of time.

This does not make us evil or bad. It is part of being human.

Greed as a sin: when the desire for wealth and power is so overwhelming that nothing else matters. The death and destruction of others, the annihilation of fellow man, means nothing in the pursuit of one's desires. Nothing quenches the thirst for gain, the desire is insatiable.

To let entire countries be destroyed for monetary and political gain. This is pathological greed.

[Psychic Consortium]

50. Soul Searching

It is time for all Americans to do some soul searching as you have done. We will be a much better people for it.

However, being in balance and being honest is enough. Prudence, reason, self-care, honesty and work/service. No need to give away all your goods and take to the streets with a baby. We are meant to do what we can within reason, to take care of self and children. We are not mean to be victims in any way.

(The foundation of an advanced society is the family unit. Being a good parent is a spiritual journey, one that we have not had much support pursing in this age and time.)

[Psychic Consortium]

53. What happens when the highest possible spirit level is contacted

One PC member occasionally attempts to contact the highest possible spiritual entity in the universe, higher than the Ascended Masters, higher than their Masters. As close to Source as possible.

The feeling is not describable. The love, acceptance and forgiveness emanating from this level of spirit makes all human fears, doubts, guilts dissolve. Our human life appears to melt away, all is forgiven and mistakes seem minuscule in the scheme of universal things. Human imperfection is seen as part of the Divine plan.

It is felt that we are much harder on ourselves than Spirit is...
and that the point is to learn and grow and move forward.

[mntleo2]

60. Thank-you For those words!

...for some reason they touched me deeply and brought me to inner tears. It was cleansing.

Love
Cat In Seattle

[Delphinus]

4. Thank you, Psychic Consortium,

for your words in the previous thread. Your personal message to me, about continuing my work, was especially well-timed, as I was beginning to doubt.

[lildreamer316]

6. Okay..I've got a serious worry about the PC economy predictions and my & husband's jobs.

Almost everything said here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=83742&mesg_id=83888

leads me to believe that what I do for a living, and part of what husband does for a living, will not be part of that reality. Of course I don't know all the ways in which our wonderful Universe & Source works - and I am certainly open to that - but as of this moment i don't see a place for our current careers at that level in general. Now, further on in the thread PC mentions the concept of split realities, and the idea that some that were not ready to ascend with Lady Earth and the rest of us (and yes, I also question if I am one of those that is really ascending!) and will stay in the lower vibration (eeewwww MCCain!!) realities. I am wondering if husband and I have soul-chosen to stay in that arena to maybe help those that want to ascend?? I confess I don't know, and maybe I'm trying to read the mind of God and should just leave it be. I just know that both husband and I actually feel a calling and passion to our jobs; we enjoy them, and find ways to bring light and understanding to people through what we do. Many do not understand that where we choose to work, to me that is the 'trenches'...a place where people do not expect to find a chance to express enlightened emotions and thoughts, but we facilitate that opportunity.
I hope that makes some kind of sense.

Anyway, I am a little daunted at the idea that maybe we have soul chosen to stay at the lower vibrating reality, but I am not really sure we have. It's quite confusing.

Anyone have any insight?

[Psychic Consortium]

12. Economy, jobs, split realties

1. PC would like to say that it takes the long view, so some of the comments are related to events in the far future, not necessarily immediate future. Some of the changes will be more gradual than others, so events may not immediately affect your particular jobs. Some types of jobs will face reduction rather than elimination.

2. If your jobs are impacted, look for doors opening around you. Or start to make Plan B and C now. Find other ways to make income or ways to reduce expenditures.

3. PC agrees very much that seemingly pedestrian jobs can be very spiritual and meaningful. We are meant to grow where we are planted and do the very best with what ever job we have. On the other side it is seen that there is no difference between a Mother Teresa and a waitress who does her job to the best of her ability and is of service.

4. The concept of split realities is confusing to us because of our limited human awareness. It is not clear if some have already opted for the Obama vs. McCain win realities, or if this will be the choice when we pass over. It is confusing since on the other side there is no linear time and all events unfold simultaneously. PC team members will see if they can obtain more clarity on this issue.

[lildreamer316]

13. Ah, that's clearer. Thank you, PC!

..and no rush on the more clarity thing; I appreciate all that all of you do.
I agree, I believe we are most certainly supposed to grow where planted!
I also want to say, plans B and C are concrete ideas, but are just slowly on their way to fruition. It's all intertwined.
Again, thanks and blessings..

[conscious evolution]

49. If you are following a Bhodisatva(guanyin) path

you may remain in the lower realms.
Thats what Bhodis do.They pass on consumation and remain behind till all are ready for consumation.

Not to fear though.They have a thousand hands from the buddhas to help with their task.

[ropi]

14. what strikes me is the number...

of younger persons and children, such as my nephew who is five years old, who desire nothing more than to see President Obama. We've been reading the President's books here at home and my nephew passed them and put them on the table and stared at them and smiled softly to himself as if he knew something. He's extremely aware of something special. I find it amazing to see such a profound respect coming from those so young.

He's even asked us to take him to see the President. He's very fixed on having to see him in person. We had a chance to go when President Obama was here locally, but we never made it due to schedule conflicts before the election.

[Psychic Consortium]

15. Young people and Obama

PC has noticed this phenomenon as well. It does appear that many are reacting to Obama on a deep soul level. His aura and energy field seem to be activating strong interest, love and support from people from across the globe. On a deep soul level there is recognition.

One PC member suspects that some may know the Obamas from previous incarnations. Or the type of energy they are bringing to us now is somehow familiar.

[FirstLight]

22. My daughter is the SAME way!

Not only does she talk about President Obama, but she has a girl crush on Sasha (because they are the sme age) and is totally excited for her to get the puppy and also says she wants to have her come to our house for a sleep over!

These little ones resonate with the family as a whole, because they also give off a great impression of a healthy family unit, too.

(my kids say they want me to remarry someone as great as Obama! lol I'd be happy wih a local firefighter or spiritual hero of my own!!! :P )

[Psychic Consortium]

29. Obama, the master teacher

Obama is teaching the world so many things.

How to be a good and decent leader, husband, father and man.
He is showing us how to be a civilized people,
from the family unit to the highest office in the land.

[Angel Wings]

16. I love these threads. They help so much. Thank you PC!

[Psychic Consortium]

17. Split realities and/ or new energy

If indeed there has been a split in realities then it may take some time for most to adjust.

It is certain that there is new energy on the planet and adjustment will take time for many.

The love and joy that came with the Obama win will help make the necessary changes much easier.

[FirstLight]

18. The "Too Big to Fail" meme...

Dear PC - thanks for coming around again...it is comforting to get your messages here.
Especially after reading the boards here on the front pages, I am seeing the split right here on DU!
In ASAH, we are all hopeful and holding the light for this change to be easier than it would seem, while everyone "out there" seems to be running around like chicken little!

I had a dream last night that would seem to be a "what if" reality - what of the big banks go away, what if there are no more corporations? what happens if we stop transporting goods all over the planet for a while? is it peak oil or something else that may virtually shut down operations for a time? It wasn't a scary dream, just seemed lik life was much more simplistic.

Is this a "near future" event that I was seeing? you said there will not be the famine & unrest here that other parts of the world will see... how so? Is there "time" to grow our own foods and get our neighborhood co-ops, etc in place?

[Psychic Consortium]

19. Banks, Corporations,etc

PC thinks your dream may be symbolic of what is happening to corporations and banks right now and in the near future. Not total collapse however, but a metaphoric stopping dead in their tracks for awhile.

While they are still in a great deal of denial, their oxygen supply has been cut off or reduced. They will be grinding to a halt in terms of the greedy corrupt practices, due to the lack of money which feeds them and a political and social environment which is not happy with them.

Once the reality hits them, some will fail. Not all banks and corporations will make it through 2009. And there will be a strong slow down in the movement of goods world wide, that is happening now. The belief in the world wide monetary system kept the wheels greased and moving. And that belief is no longer there. And life will be more simple when all is said and done.

However PC does not see a permanent and total shut down. Largely due to the influence of President Obama. While he is a calm, optimistic person and conveys that in public, he is a realist and very aware of what is happening and working fast to prevent a disaster. There is much work he is doing is behind the scenes. In public he is trying to keep things calm.

Mr. Obama will move heaven and earth to make sure the American food supply remains operational. And additionally yes, many Americans will buy and produce food locally if at all possible.

If McCain and Palin had won the election, there would have been famine and unrest in the United States. Not the case under President Obama.

[FirstLight]

21. Thanks for your insight and calm

I feel good knowing that President Obams is working harder behind the scenes and that he knows how bad things really are, but is focused on remaining calm (staying out of the lower chakras, which helps us do the same)

I worry that my own integration is struggling too. While on the surface I'm going to therapy, attending circle and developing my intuition and grounding,.... and ALSO attempting to re-train for a better job sometime in the near future.

I wonder how much good is it going to be if I have no place to apply it, and if I can't remember to stay grounded and not yell at my kids, how am I going to assist in raising the planet's vibration...?
feeling torn to my past self (victim) and my higher self (creatrix) is the "split" hapening INSIDE us as well?

[Psychic Consortium]

27. The higher level energy does not mean we will be struggle free

We are moving from a lower level planet to a mid level planet
in terms of spiritual energy. We will be a more advanced civilization,
but still have struggles and battles, within and without.

[Psychic Consortium]

28. Earth's evolution

A universal law is that everything evolves.
People, souls, planets.

Earth is in the process of making a very big evolutionary leap. It is evolving from a lower level planet to a mid level planet. We will be a more civilized, just and equitable society. With much better leadership. We will be a much less brutal people, finally reaching a truly civilized state.

Earth will still be moving and evolving to the higher levels over time. We still have much to learn, and a long way to go to reach the end goal of merging with Source.

[HOLOS]

20. PC-Am gathering from your insights that the Divine Plan is working

and that our lives will be karmically unfolding as they should.

That we must use our Free Will to daily raise our vibratory level of thoughts, words and deeds, and to mete out a fair Justice to the wrong doers who in the One Divine Energy macro-view are us='you are another me'. Life is a giant Mirror - 'as within so without', even if most of the darkness we experience is from our Unconscious and thus bewildering. We can ask for forgiveness and the total cleansing of our Subconsciously held negative memories, patterns, beliefs, thoughts, words and deeds that are within our subtle bodies from former lifetimes, and now out picturing as "our life"... since the beginning of supposed egoic separation from the Divine Self...when were an amoeba.

Often think that it would be so easy to jump start our economy practically overnight if we the people were bailed out tomorrow w/ $2million check per adult citizen; we could then immediately fully purchase a home, make improvements, retrofit it w/ green self=sustaining, nearly free energy (solar panels, wind turbines etc-soo much is out their currently hidden by oil/electric companies, thus hiring all the trades, purchasing a green vehicle, again soo many types already out there, also hidden by big oil, could come on line very fast, e.g a battery that lasts over 100 years to Fully power an auto and soon an 18 wheeler, thus putting the gigantic (millions of jobs for manufacturing all the parts) auto industry to work 24/7 and detaching immediately from wretched, polluting, expensive, deadly Middle East oil/wars(!!)

Plus, one could purchase a lifetime of health care for the family, and retrain for a job of their dreams.

There would be $$ available/printed for outdoor infrastructure for the stronger workers.

However, karmically this may be tooooo easy, i am gathering. Often i feel really embarrassed to only be in fearfilled, cruel, brutal, crime and punishment duality of lowly 3D, when i know that "The Party" is in 5D:) But when i ask "WHY"?? i hear "You belong exactly where you are!!"

[Psychic Consortium]

30. Economy, wrong doers

What you say is correct.

Some responses:

All of us are indeed exactly where we need to be.
It is all learning and grist for the mill in terms of lessons.

The wrong doers are reflections of the American psyche.
We have gone wrong as a people and a country.
It is our job to face that fact and remedy the situation
with the law and norms of society.

As tempting as it may be to hand out large sums of money to Americans individually, Obama is too smart, and cares too much for the people to do so. He knows the result would be the destruction of the American people, their self esteem, their work ethic, their souls. (Look at what has happened to the greedy and corrupt for the past 8 years. They have become heartless monsters who think nothing of destroying America for selfish gain.)

A people cannot flourish if they are not useful and productive. Who give and get back in an equitable way. On a soul level we have a need to be of service, to contribute, to use our gifts and talents to move forward. To block this is to damn us. So you are correct that this is not the karmic path to be taken.

We are all moving forward in due time. :)

[HOLOS]

35. Dear PC...Your Profound Reply Leaves Me Speechless

and deeply grateful for your multi-layered understanding of who we are, and what will best allow us to truly flourish.

Have re-read your answer to my ponderings many times tonight, and will be re-reading it hopefully for years to come, so as to stay grounded ... and also on (in) this veritable cosmic beam of Truth.

Thank you, thank you, thank you:)

[mother earth]

23. PC, thank you for ret'ing to DU...what about Joe Biden? I was

incredibly encouraged that Obama appointed him to head the task force for the middle class. I've been one of the many out of work DU'ers for some time now. Instead of being totally disgusted at this point, I am incredibly uplifted by our new, President Obama, and his appointment of Biden in this capacity was yet another sign to me that they are about action.

I'm also uplifted by the potential return of labor unions, via the Employee Free Choice Act. I wonder what is seen about this aspect of labor and jobs.

I do believe this is not business as usual, we are going to see real transformation in a short period of time, even though it may be slow going & difficult at first, this is absolutely what we've longed for.

I hope you can tell us MORE, more, more. Perhaps you can expand upon some other areas of what those in the PC have seen, some of which you were reluctant at first to share.

Thank you, once again.

And thank you to I Have A Dream for suggesting the Journal...nice touch. :fistbump:

[Psychic Consortium]

31. Biden and Labor

Biden will do a great job.

Labor will make many strides under Biden and Obama.
Obama will support labor and they in turn will support him.
Jobs will be forthcoming under Obama.

[Psychic Consortium]

32. More speculative material

We will try to share some of the more informal speculative
material discussed within PC, if it is of interest.

[FirstLight]

34. yes please!

Your words are uplifting energetically and emotionally ...

[Shallah Kali]

37. I second FirstLight's request to share the more informal speculative material!

IT is so encouraging and fascinating to see what will manifest :bounce:

[Sanity Claws]

42. It is definitely of interest

I am so happy that PC has decided to share its information with us.

[Missy Vixen]

48. Thank you so much, PC

I am so appreciative of the things you are writing here. They give me hope.

I feel like I walked into the sunshine after eight years of darkness.

Again, thank you. :hug:

[Flying Dream Blues]

57. I also would love to hear more from you and the PC...thanks for everything

you've shared with us so far!
:hug:

[OneGrassRoot]

24. Adding my gratitude here, to PC and everyone sharing.....

big hugs to everyone!

PC, your messages are a wonderful touchstone now. A most sincere thank you. :)

:grouphug:

[Silver Gaia]

38. I also wish to thank you once again, PC.

Your words have come to me at a time when I really needed to hear something encouraging. So, thank for this thread, and please do share more!

[Fire Walk With Me]

46. Here as well.

I've been in such fear for so long, overwhelmed by the negativity surrounding us, seemingly being alone in going through it, that I am grateful for your illuminating the path, which I am trusting more and more as it reveals itself as true. I'd like to send compassion and light to the empaths in your group. Thank you all.

[Psychic Consortium]

55. Yes the negativity and fear is hard to shake

But more and more people will be feeling the new energy,
the hope and the trust.

[mother earth]

56. It's why many gather here, why we look forward to PC postings...

we muster strength and unity and re-energize...knowing there will come a day when the light is the norm and not the exception.

Thank you for giving us these insights, we look forward to all of them.

[Psychic Consortium]

58. PC wondered last summer why so much information was coming in

clairvoyantly about the upcoming election, Obama, the campaign, the Obama presidency, the coming changes, etc.

The amount and type of information was overwhelming, very detailed, with unquestionable certainty, but appeared incredible. As time passes there is validation.

At the time PC didn't know why and for what purpose.

The answer is in your comments.

[Silver Gaia]

59. "As time passes there is validation. "

Yes. And validation is a very important element, IMO. For all of us.

I am grateful to be here, able to read these words. Without them, I would be struggling much harder, with so much uncertainty all around us, to keep myself rooted in the positive.

You are creating ripples in the pond here. And we each then create our own ripples in our personal spheres that reach out and touch many others. This is very important work.

Thank you, again, for your service.

[Desertrose]

63. These threads feed our souls...

with exactly what we all need to keep our light strong.

It is not a matter of someone telling us things we don't know, but reminding us of what we already know in our hearts. These words create energy that literally fills us with light and helps us keep our focus.

We are like thirsty souls traversing the desert and in places like this we find our sisters & brothers who share their cool revitalizing dipper of water from the oasis over the next hill. In our turn we share that vital water with others we meet on our paths.....and so it goes and so the light spreads as we all continue to lift each other....

Blessings & many thanks,
DR

[FirstLight]

64. Beautiful analogy DR

Traversing across the desert of our realities, both personal and watching the world shift is disconcerting at best

PC and all others here in ASAH have been more than an oasis for me as well
:grouphug:

[Delphinus]

66. Yes, these threads are our reminders.

There are times I will go to workshops here in this area simply to be with other like-minded folks. It's not that they are telling me anything new - it's just being in the energy and being revitalized.

[Psychic Consortium]

69. Profound truths are souls talking to each other

Soul to soul.

Reminding each other of universal truths and wisdom.

[Psychic Consortium]

70. Ripples to the rest of DU

As some of you have pointed out to PC, it is noted that the main DU forums begin to address more esoteric topics, and in some cases use the same words and views expressed here on the ASAH forum.

[Psychic Consortium]

68. Exactly, the ripple effect

That is why PC was directed to this forum.

To feed and support light workers, those with higher vibrational levels, who in turn feed and support the rest of the world.

It was felt that many light workers had become depleted and demoralized after so many years living in a toxic environment.

Help was needed to drag them over the finish line. :)

[juno jones]

65. As always thank you PC! n/t

[Psychic Consortium]

71. Obama, justice, mercy, tough love

PC looks at Obama and sees this:
Justice, rule of law, mercy, and tough love.

PC does not see extremes of revenge or looking away/doing nothing.
These extremes will not move America forward and are merely a continuance of 20th century, lower level civilization.

Instead Obama's goal is for everyone to step forward and do the right thing. He will at first allow political and financial leaders an opportunity to do the right thing. He will extend his hand in good will and cooperation. However if people do not do the right thing, behind the scenes he will crank up the heat, using tough love measures. Those who have done wrong will have choices to make. Either do what is right, or face consequences.

Behind the scenes there is seen a flurry of activity on all sides. Obama is not taking kindly to political threats, subtle blackmail, or partisan slime tactics. He will not be railroaded. The usual political tactics of threats or bribery do not work at all with Obama. Not much scares him nor does the material entice him. The opponents appear frustrated and confused as the rules have changed. They are seen in disarray and lack of unity.

His opponents would be wise to act in adult, responsible, equitable ways. Or they may be face unpleasant legal or political consequences.

[Cha]

72. Thank you so much

for your outlook on Obama, PC!

[OneGrassRoot]

73. That may be the most uplifting, inspiring thing I've read...

in a long, long time.

Thank you. :)

[Matariki]

74. Just got done reading this NYT article before reading your thread

It all clicks. I haven't felt so much admiration for a polititian in a long time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/politics/04web-zeleny.html - worth the read.

[HOLOS]

75. Thank you PC for your 'just in the nick of time' upliftment and reinforcement

Your words are filled with such gigantic Light and Love= our sustenance in the desert, so
beautifully described by desertrose.

Your inspiration (plural) is carrying us across the finish line in grand style and wholeness.

Eternal Gratitude and Great Love to all in PC:)

[Flying Dream Blues]

76. That's a great article, Matariki! Love your new name, btw! nt

[Matariki]

86. thanks. yours too!

still getting used to it.

[Flying Dream Blues]

87. Thanks! and I know what you mean...still feels a little strange...nt

[HOLOS]

77. Matariki, thank you for that wonderful article re Pres. Obama and Super Bowl....

So grateful to be witnessing these higher energies expressed in not only a politician, but our President ... one who really seems to care about people and is creating Unity, Justice and Equality for All. Seeing him always surrounded in Grace filled, protective Loving Light....Seems our karma is looking up:)

[I Have A Dream]

78. That's wonderful!

:D

Thanks, Matariki!

[Psychic Consortium]

80. Obama teaches us what it means to be a 21st century leader

Prior to the election, PC posted these predictions:

1. Obama is a master teacher who shows us what an advanced civilization looks like.
2. He will demonstrate an unique and innovative leadership style which will be the subject of study
3. Even his opponents will come to like and respect him.
4. He will demonstrate the intellectual skills, temperament, and moral core necessary to be a leader.

Obama’s behavior as described in the NYT article posted here is much more than politics. And some might argue that what he is doing is more important than getting a bill passed, even one as important as the stimulus package. He is showing us what it means to be an advanced leader, and advanced civilization.

He shows us the tone and style of civilized leadership. Everyone is amazed at his actions. However, much of his novel leadership style will become standard in years to come. He is single handedly changing the course of American politics in ways both subtle and dramatic. He raises the bar in terms of what future Americans will expect in a leader.

Previously we have been a people with gutter politics, nasty, ugly and very divisive. Little or nothing was accomplished in terms of governance, and politicians worked for themselves and special interest groups, not the people.

He shows us how leaders can act in an adult civilized manner. We put away childish things. (We can see that Obama’s speeches are part politics, part sermons, part maps of his future behavior and actions.)

He shows us that in the 21st century we will have leaders, who may disagree, but comport themselves in a civil, courteous, and polite way to one another. They will dine and interact with one another like civilized human beings instead of like street bullies.

He shows us every day what it means to be a superior leader and human being. He shows us by his behavior. He raises the tone of Washington and therefore the rest of the country.

Additionally, we are a people who have been badly treated by our past leadership. We have been damaged in so many ways. His behavior sets the stage for repairing the psychological/political civil war started for political gain.

[Grateful for Hope]

82. I think PC is absolutely accurate in their assessment of Obama

However, I can't help but think of the old expression "Behind every good man, there is a good woman". I would love it, PC, if your group would share some insights on Michelle Obama.

My own thinking about her is that she reigns in the "grandiose" side of her husband (hey, he is, after all, a Leo), and, that she is his sounding board.

I admire her as much as I admire her husband. I would love to see some discussion of her here.

Thank you, PC.

[Matariki]

85. Indeed. Does anyone know her horoscope?

I get the feeling that she really keeps him grounded - and keeps his Leonine ego well balanced.

[Why Syzygy]

88. She just had a birthday.

Capricorn sun.

[Matariki]

89. Aha - that makes sense. She definitely seems grounded

and Capricorns LOVE ambitious partners, lol.

[Psychic Consortium]

92. The Obama magic is a package deal

Obama is a spiritual gift to us. It is a package plan and includes his family.

On a karmic level all souls involved agreed to be a part of this spiritual project and it appears that a number of them have worked together in prior lives. All family members were chosen for specific reasons and purposes.

Obama’s parents, grandparents, wife, children, in-laws, all serving specific purposes in the spiritual plan.

[Psychic Consortium]

96. Michelle

Michelle is seen as perfect for the job she has undertaken. She is complex, very strong yet feminine and nurturing. She is a softer version of Eleanor Roosevelt.

Michelle is the base camp from which her husband operates. Without her, he would not be president or function nearly as well. He needs her personally and politically. She grounds him, keeps him to earth, helps him anchor his energy to the earth plane. She and her mother have given him the security he needs.

Pragmatic and strong, Michelle is tempered with love and sweetness that appeals to many. She's a lioness when it comes to protecting her family. NOBODY messes with her family, and that includes her husband. She protects him on a number of levels. Michelle's mother protects all of them, and the girls. She is a layer of needed protection.

Michelle and her husband have incredible courage and have made many personal sacrifices to be of service to the country. Few appreciate this to the extent it deserves.

It is seen that she is angry at those who have endangered her husband and family, angry at well known political persons who have done this, but in public she is gracious and polite.

Michelle is a very quick study, understands perfectly what needs to be done politically, and does it when requested.

[Grateful for Hope]

104. Thank you, PC!

Sending all of you a :hug:

I totally agree with your assessment.

Thank you again!

[Matariki]

84. Really enjoying your posts PC.

Thanks much for taking the time to post here. It's thoughtful and insightful stuff - and looking to be pretty accurate too :-)

[BlancheSplanchnik]

93. Dear PC--Thank You So much!!

I'm so glad you're posting here. I just recently found your posts.

Wow...these and some other channeled materials I've read on Obama just give me such GOOSEBUMPS. Like I'm reading something I knew, but didn't know I knew until I saw it put into words.

Thank you again

Blanche

[eilen]

97. What is the deal with the media? It is so negative.

Are they getting paid off?

I am also wondering about the tax issues of many cabinet nominees-- I feel that these are leaked by people in sympathy by the opposition party in conflict with current law. I have the sense that Obama is cognizant of this.

Do you see a new program starting with the savings bonds?

[Psychic Consortium]

98. Media, nominees

Media: BushCo kicked or kissed (threats or bribes) everyone into compliance. Some still walk and talk the party line. The monsters are fed with money and that is evaporating.

Nominees: A sad fact is that many of America's leaders and higher level public servants are corrupt, or at the least, work the system to their advantage. It is sadly the American way. The pool of talent from which Obama can pick is a tainted one. He does not have much to chose from. Republicans know they have lost power and will play as dirty as they can at this point, stalling progress in any way possible.

No info on Savings Bonds program.

[eilen]

99. thank you. nt

[FirstLight]

79. How to plan for the next year...?

PC - I understand that much of our world as it stands will be shifting to this new reality and new way of working...

In the meantime, I am out of work, looking to re-train and get into a better field...
(On welfare and foodstamps like many americans are right now, single mom of 3 kids ain't easy!)
Is there any way to know what kinds of jobs will still be out there in a year?
How do I stay feeling good and productive when I am not in the trenches helping, but I am one of those who NEED help?

AND in the time in-between are govt programs safe?
CA is going bankrupt, and if they pay welfare in IOU's, we could be really in trouble...
How to feel safe when even the safety net is breaking? :scared:

..and again - THANK YOU for all your love and caring insight in these times of turmoil. It helps to have someone to ask :hug:

[Psychic Consortium]

81. Comments

PC is sending you a PM with questions and specific ideas.

In general one of the most important things we can all do is start formulating plans:
Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, etc.

Many of us may need to think about alternative careers, or other ways to bring in money to our families.

What kinds of retraining could we do?
What jobs are in demand in our area?
(Life basics, entry level positions, repair, ??)
Can we turn some hobby or other skill into a money maker?
Can we barter with others for the things we need?
If necessary, do we have friends or family who can help us?
Can we relocate if necessary?

These are just a few ideas.

The most important task is for us to come out of our denial, and go beyond our fears, and try to be as smart as we can be.

Easier said than done, but the feeling is that those who can stay calm and smart increase their chances of success.

And with crisis, there is opportunity.

[MagickMuffin]

83. Questions concerning X-VP-DC

Yesterday Dick did an interview criticizing the Obama Admin. He seemed to me to be making overt threats concerning terrorism against our country.

I happen to believe that the 9-11 tragedy was inspired by DC MIHOP and GWB LIHOP.

I believe that X-VP-DC was showing his hand, and that he has plans in place that could lead to another attack on our soil.

I also believe that the Obama Admin should have X-VP-DC on wiretaps and monitoring his emails. X-VP-DC "knows" a lot of people whose very profiles reeks of terrorism.


Does this seem to make any sense?.?.?

Could I be picking up on the evil this man is capable of carrying out?.?.?

Has PC gotten any info on this?.?.?


If you don't want to post your comments here then please PM me with your answers.

Namaste

[Psychic Consortium]

90. XVPres DC

PC sees empty rattling and noise coming from DC.
His energy is gone. No one listening to him, sad for him.

PC sees Obama holding DC in his hand, DC is a bug with wings gone.

Obama has a truck load of info on DC.
Will use it if necessary, but there may be no need to do so.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

94. :)

goosebumps again.

[rosesaylavee]

108. "DC is a bug with wings gone"

Such a nice image. You have made my day.

[Psychic Consortium]

91. 9/11

PC is seeing the truth coming out eventually.
People working on this now.

BushCo created environment where 9/11 could happen, and then when they saw it coming, let it happen. Combination of let it/made it happen.

[Angel Wings]

95. This is exactly what I always thought from the beginning.

setting the stage and letting it play out which was a hard sell to a lot of people I knew at the time. Than you PC.

[MagickMuffin]

102. "The truth coming out eventually."

What effect will the Truth have on the American psyche?.?.?


Knowing that our government (Bush/Cheney MisAdministration) allowed something like this to happen, and Congress allowing the cover-up.

I didn't come to the conclusion that GWB/DC after the fact. I "knew" it as it was happening. Then reading up on what little news that was leaking out that my intuition was correct.

GWB blaming it on bin Laden:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'" 9/17/01

rhetoric in the aftermath, to

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." 3/13/02


I just hope the American people understand that we were being lead by people who NEVER cared about them.

___________________________________________________________


I have another question concerning the 2000 (S)election.

I happen to believe that Al Gore was threatened by someone within the GWB/DC camp that he better concede. By threatening Gore "they" were allowed to put their plans into action.

Does PC have any info to confirm my belief?.?.?

[Psychic Consortium]

106. The truth is a beautiful thing.

In the case of the American electorate, the truth being exposed on many levels will prove to be a maturation experience. It will be time to put aside childish things and begin to face realities, not fantasies.

[Psychic Consortium]

107. Gore, 2000 election

1. It is seen that Gore’s campaign was internally sabotaged at high levels.

2. Gore was the recipient of significant threats on many levels: personal, political, career, and against the American people.

3. For example, it was made clear to him that if he did not completely drop any claims to the presidency that military (or national guard) will be called out and that the American people would be made to suffer in a number of ways. He was made to clearly understand what he was up against.

4. However, as indicated previously, all events unfolded as necessary from a karmic perspective.

[MagickMuffin]

109. A Bloodless Coup

I knew as the Gore family were walking out that they looked as though they had been threatened. Al was pale as a ghost and the rest of the family looked scared and truly frightened. I could "tell" by their body language and facial expressions something was WRONG and that they were probably threatened. I don't put anything pass the Bushies.

Your #2 & #3 response hit me kinda hard, not that it surprises me.

I do believe the Bushies would have done ANYTHING to get back into power. As they already had the plans in place for ALL the actions that they took while in office.


I can only hope that when all the info comes out about the last 8 years that there will never be a chance for another Bush from ever getting to the White House.


I am also hopeful that the crimes that Poppy Bush committed when he was in power will also be revealed. From his involvement with the 1980 election, his "duties" during his tenure as VP, BCCI, and Iran Contra.

If all this finally becomes public the American people will definitely reject all other Bushies EVER getting into office ever again.



Namaste, PC

[MorningGlow]

111. And the same for Kerry

He rolled over so fast, after saying repeatedly throughout the election that we would "count all the votes", that I knew right then that someone had "paid him a visit" and said "Gee, it would be awful if something BAD happened to your FAMILY...or the ENTIRE COUNTRY...such a shame..."

[OneGrassRoot]

112. I truly feel the truth being exposed about these events, specifically...

9/11, is the only thing that can unite this country. The Limbaughs and Coulters foment such hatred and divisiveness, only the truth -- the BRUTAL truth -- can wake people up and enable us to join together.

[Grateful for Hope]

115. Was thinking the same thing, MorningGlow

His "surrender" was so quick, and, the fact that John Edwards was angry about it, says a lot. Kerry is not one to simply give up. Something definitely happened.

[Silver Gaia]

119. Same here. I have always thought that there was something

amiss in Kerry's quick surrender that day. Edwards' astonishment and disbelief was plain to see. I did not think this was something they had discussed, but was because of something that had happened suddenly behind the scenes. And yes, it felt like a threat of some sort had been made, something Edwards was unaware of as he stood there onstage pumping up the crowd before Kerry came out. Something felt very wrong, and it was a shock to many of us.

[Sanity Claws]

124. Could you explain more about the threats to use the military?

I don't doubt that serious threats were made that force Gore to give up. It was kind of like Solomon who threatened to cut a baby in two -- only the real mother would give up her rights to the baby rather than see it killed.
However, Clinton was still President. How could the Bush forces mobilize the military against the American people?

[Marie26]

122. What about the anthrax attacks?

I always thought Cheney had something to do w/that! Do you have any impressions about that case?

[Grateful for Hope]

114. I think Cheney was threatening Obama via that interview

and, by making whatever plans he and others might have public, he was trying to make sure that Obama would be seen as "weak" and unable to protect our nation should any of it come to pass.

I think these are empty threats, and, I think there is a measure of desperation behind them.

[MorningGlow]

116. Something else about Obama

I think something happened with him on election night--somebody spoke to him. When he came out onstage to give his speech, I expected him to be all smiles, but he was grim. In fact, he was a wreck--the worst energy I have ever seen in him. It wasn't just that he was in awe of the moment--it was something else. He couldn't smile. There was something in his eyes that was as close to worried/panicked as that man ever gets.

But he got over it. Phew.

[Grateful for Hope]

117. I noticed he was not himself that night

but, I thought it was because he was realizing the enormity of what he was about to undertake (and, I am sure fatigue was setting in).

I don't have the feeling that anything negative happened to him that night, although, I admit, I have been known to be wrong (once or twice...LOL).

Edited for syntax and humor

[Silver Gaia]

120. I noticed this, too, and remember commenting about it

to my husband. I also thought--hoped?--that it must have been the seriousness of the moment, maybe weariness beginning to settle in, or something like this. But at the same time, I wondered if it was something much darker that had touched him. I didn't want to let myself to go there, though. I just wanted to be happy in that moment, so I thrust those thoughts aside quickly. He definitely did not seem himself that night, though. There was a grim seriousness that I had not seen in him before.

[Marie26]

121. I think he was grieving

His grandmother had died just a day or two before, & she was a big influence on his life. Also, it must have been hard for him to realize that his grandmother didn't live to see the election. IMO that explains much of Obama's seriousness & emotional rawness that night. Love this thread, by the way! It's very uplifting.

[Silver Gaia]

123. Good point, Marie. I think you are right.

That is most likely the source of what we were seeing in him.

[FirstLight]

100. PC - Will the Stim Bill pass? Will it matter if it does or not?

How easily can we get through the next layer of crumbling and rebuilding? next year? 2012? I think 2010 and 2012 are significant years in quantum leap-like ways...


I also have to say that I LOVED Obama's frank words yesterday...THIS is why we love him...he speaks TO us, not AT us!

[Psychic Consortium]

101. Stimulus

Yes, stimulus bills will pass after considerable wrangling. Those who fight and oppose will only hurt themselves politically.

The bill not passing would have been very serious in terms of damage to the American people. Obama and many in the congress know that the bill must pass.

See previous post about Obama and tough love made before his latest speech in which he cranks up the heat. He will continue to do so. No one should underestimate Obama and confuse his civility with weakness. Nothing could be further than the truth.

The next few years will be exactly as you say, crumbling and re-building. Difficult years, but important ones that will save future generations.

[Delphinus]

110. I hope the things that are broken,

the things that are inefficient (like our health care {non}system), and things that are outdated are not preserved as sacred cows. I hope we will be able to, instead of putting more money into things that are broken, scrap them and come up with something that truly serves.

[mother earth]

103. I couldn't be prouder or happier that Obama is president and Biden

is VP & Michelle is 1st lady...but can you tell us when this awful war is going to end?

I just read in latest breaking, 24 military suicides in January...my heart breaks for the men who are there for prolonged duty, the backdoor draft in action...when will it end? Seems to me this would go a long way to end the money bleed, if indeed some are worried about this nation's debt. How can repubs wax on about debt & be pro-illegal war? I'm so weary of the fear tactics of the "right", I'm tired of our young men being used as though they are disposable for the war machine and the profiteers.

[Psychic Consortium]

105. Iraqi War, Vets

Obama, Iraqi invasion

The Iraqi war is convoluted and messy, as are most of the other problems Obama has inherited. The war will be ended; Obama will keep his campaign promise. The time line may not fall into place as he would like, but events will begin to unfold regarding Iraq. It may take some time to wrap up in a satisfactory way.

PC has predicted for some time the ongoing and serious problem with returning vets. They will present significant and long term medical and mental health problems which will pose a threat to themselves and others. They will be a reminder of Bush's folly. The vets will be telling stories we do not wish to hear.

[Shallah Kali]

113. Could we please have a part VI thread soon? This one is getting difficult to load on dialup

at 100+ posts. Thank you.

[diddlysquat]

118. I second that!

[Psychic Consortium]

125. PC was getting ready to close the thread at 100 posts

And then found the number of posts had jumped significantly this morning!
PC will close the thread and move unanswered questions to a new thread.

[Psychic Consortium]

126. PC Thread V Closed

Unanswered questions will be moved to Thread VI.

Thank you for your support and interest.