Message from Matthew ...June 21st

[Desertrose]

Just posting part of the latest message here...the whole thing is really - as usual- uplifting and explains a lot of what and why we are feeling what we are.....


“Each of you is exactly who you are and where you are because this is vital to the special role you chose to play in this unprecedented time on Earth.  No other time in all of your planet’s history, which includes many other civilizations and spans many, many millennia in linear time, is as crucial as these days at hand.  Earth is leaving the limitations of third density, where the darkness that has caused everything that you may call ‘evil’ has flourished.  So it is not only for your own soul’s evolution that you chose to be who and where you are, but also because your essence is needed in your location.  Your cumulative lifetimes in areas familiar to you now as well as at other points in your evolutionary history, are contributing to your conscious knowledge and leading your pathway, and the collective energy emanating from your various regions is helping Earth rise into the higher vibrations of love, peace and harmony.  
 
          “In preparation for personal and planetary ascension, karmic lessons have been presented in concentrated and accelerated form, and this requires that some people create conditions that cause suffering for a multitude of others.  Again, this is purposeful—it allows souls to fill the gaps in third density lifetimes and attain the balanced experiencing that simultaneously readies you to accompany Earth and contributes to her karmic fulfillment.  So although it may appear that your world is in terrible shape and worsening, this is the end of the dominance of darkness as all that it comprises is coming to light.  Because you don’t know others’ soul contracts, you cannot know what strategic role someone may be playing in this crucial balancing act, and therefore you are asked not to judge any. 
 
          “How do you know what role you chose or if you’re on the right pathway?  By following your conscience, intuition and inspirations, all of which are your soul’s messages to your consciousness.  Let your inner voice lead you, and please do not ever doubt your importance!  Some roles may seem more important than others because of influential positions, but I assure you, all of you have equal capacity and opportunity to generate the light that is helping Earth to ascend.  Never are you alone—myriad souls in spirit and in physical forms are assisting you all along the way of this joyous, exciting and enlightening journey!” 
 
Fascinating read! Interesting what he says about organic and GM foods....and music vs noise LOL

Other topics discussed in this message.....
Positive changes in US and other countries;  everyone chose role in this unprecedented time; Sol and sunscreens; Michael Jackson fairly acquitted; spontaneous human combustion; diets and nutrients; current entertainment; underground lab experiments; the importance of music
 


http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=35&z=2

[DemExpat]

1. Ooooh, I wish I had not read that, DR.....

I have had acute anxiety reactions to documentaries on spontaneious human combustion in the past, :wtf: and can only calm myself down with the thought that it is always people who have caught fire somehow, by a cigarette, open flame, etc.....
Reading this that it is a phenomenon that is rare but does occur...:scared: :scared:

I also have trouble believing those who say all of the destruction/rape/slaughter here on earth has a divine purpose and not to worry too much about it. (GM foods, etc.)

:-(

DemEx

Funny how we encounter things that we have not resolved on our paths....:-)
Certainly these are issues I wish I had some peace with.
:hug:

[DemExpat]

2. And am very uncomfortable with the 'contradiction' of the example

of sunscreen - which he says is "bad" - developed by corporations etc......and GM foods (also corporations) - not to worry about.

To take supplements because normal food is so depleted, while organic food's advantages are miniscule...living in such a toxic world. Not much point.....:wtf:
My understanding is that there is indeed so much toxin in our environment we have no control over that eating more natural foods, without pesticides, helps at least keep the balance in the body from tipping over into disease, and food IS something we can exert a bit of control over.

Just relax, don't worry? Eat what you will as long as you bless it first?

How do you interpret his message?

:shrug:

:hi:

DemEx

[Desertrose]

3. I'm sincerely sorry if you are upset by parts of this Dem Ex

first, I want to send you big big :hug: and :loveya::hi:


OK- this is from Matthew:
"Dietary supplements is one, plus it is a fact that natural nutrients have been largely depleted from all foodstuffs.  Therefore, whether you believe it or not, vitamins and other supplements made with the purest natural ingredients and in proper proportions are definitely to your health’s advantage. 

As for organic foods, I’d say that any measurable advantage here is a product of one’s positive thoughts.  Even though these foods are grown under the best available conditions, those conditions are not sterile; but the far weightier factor is, the decrease in pollutants that one absorbs by eating organic foods is so miniscule as to be negligible because right now you are living in an unavoidably toxic world."


My sense is that we have basically soiled our own bed so to speak and have definitely depleted our soils. I do go with organic as much as I can afford it.

My sense of what he was saying is that since the entire planet is pretty well polluted, that even the areas where we grow organic things are not as pure as we would like in order to have "pure" foods....even if we do purify a small area to grow organic food and the fact that even though the food (organic) that we eat may be less "tainted" by toxins, what we breathe and drink and basically our environment is saturated to the point we can no longer keep ourselves physically pure regardless of what we may try.

I feel better eating organic...I feel more life force in food grown that way and even though he says it may not make a big difference...in my mind it does and that where it counts. At the very core of everything, I feel, its our belief about it that has the most influence.

I also agree about supplements ...I have know for years that the food does not have what it once had as far as nutrients...so I do supplement and feel better about that.

I think all we can do is do what we feel is best for us and not worry about what anyone else may say. I don't know if I agree 100% with him about organic but then again what he says isn't as important to my life & way of being as what *I* feel about it.


I think his point about the sunscreen makes sense...it does to me anyhow. I have been saying for years that there was never the amount of skin cancer before the fear of sunshine and sunscreens came along. I see it as being generated by fear and one more thing we don't need to add to our bodies. As far as the food...I think he is saying that we are pretty far down the road of being a toxic planet regardless of where we grow and what we eat. If I accept that, I can either buy into the idea that I will become ill from this or I am able, in spite of everything, to remain in a state of health, I choose the latter.

I decided long ago after dealing with a severe case of agoraphobia, that I would never let fear run my life again. It hasn't always been easy but it sure as hell beats living the way I did before.....

I hope this makes some sense & helps a bit...hope you are doing better,too, honey.:hug:

:loveya::hug:
DR

[DemExpat]

4. Please don't apologize, DR....

like I mentioned above, we encounter things we need to address, so this just fits into my package of unresolved fear...:-)

I'm doing better, but still often feel I don't know what to believe, what to think about so many things - all of my paradigms are shifting, and all my illusion balloons are being pricked open....but somethings I hang onto - my love of life, the earth, animal and plant kingdoms, etc. etc. and feel they are DYING because of the greed, callousness and cruelty. :cry:

It hurts.

We do what we can, and trying to preserve some naturalness/wholeness in my diet and surroundings is one of my coping mechanisms, I guess, to get through this time.

I do agree with you that believing something makes it so....but my lifelong belief that animals and plants and humans deserve nurturing and respect doesn't seem to make it so - the shit just seems to be getting worse and worse on all fronts. :nuke:

But I am not feeling down the past few days, DR, just jumpy and agitated....:crazy:

Thanks for expounding on your views of this stuff, DR, I appreciate your caring and love!

:loveya: :hug: :loveya:

DemEx

[LWolf]

6. My thoughts:

I don't object to GMO crops/food because I think it's going to harm me, personally, but because I think it is disrespectful of life in general, and can have long-term effects on whole species and ecosystems.

I want to garden and eat organically, not because I think that will make me free of all the toxins saturating our earth, but because, by doing so, I'm not adding to the toxic buildup. I'm not participating, where ever I can find alternatives, in the poisoning of my planet.

I don't know what to make of the sunscreen thing; I can see the possibilities in corporate manipulation of our need for their products; it certainly wouldn't be the first time that a corporation was happy to sacrifice consumer health for profit. That doesn't erase the fact of global warming and a thinning ozone layer. I guess I would have asked a question to clarify that.

Meanwhile, if I'm going to eat meat, I'd rather eat it not laced with hormones, antibiotics, etc.; I'd rather the animals didn't ingest weed killers, insecticides, etc.; I'd rather they weren't overcrowded and force-fed.

When I eat eggs, I'd rather the hens run free and enjoy life. Since I moved north, I left my old hen behind in CA. I just got done ordering some day-old chicks to start a new flock; I miss my hens, and their wonderful fresh eggs.

When I eat dairy products, I'd rather they come from a small homestead where I know the animals have been treated well. Since I moved away from my supplier, I'll have to find something similar locally. Meanwhile, I'm buying organic dairy products.

When I eat plants, I want to know that they they were healthy, growing in healthy soil, in a healthy ecosystem, and that they left the soil as good a condition when they were harvested as when they were planted.

For me, it's not about the miniscule amounts of toxins I may or may not be reducing from my system, but our planetary living systems as a whole, so I'll stay organic!

[DemExpat]

7. Absolutely, LWolf.....I feel the same way about animals and plants.

....using them for food....

Personally I also am not so concerned about GM foods for myself - my physical life in this form is drawing to a close, but I do think of my children and theirs - the heritage/reality we are leaving them!
Articles I have read of corporate ownership of our food sources totaly turns me off, and fears of much less bio-diversity in the near future are also alarming to me.

I eat mostly free-range organic meats and organic veggies/grains/nuts/milk products - more for the more natural lives for living things and respect these ways of farming/raising animals/slaughter have for their "product".

I also see both sides of the sunscreen issue - and will also here buy products from less corporate -type companies to support more "green" businesses.

Anyway, thanks for your take on this, appreciate your sharing.

DemEx

[Desertrose]

14. Me too, LWolf..its about respecting the world around me....

and I don't feel Matthew was trying to discourage anyone from going organic, it was a reply to a question someone had asked.

I agree that for me to do as much organic as I can is about respecting and honoring the earth and the plants and animals who walk it with me. I am grateful they sacrifice and give thier lives so that I may live. I also want to nurture and honor my body so that I can continue my spiritual and physical life to do whatever I contracted to do here.

I see that we have basically fouled our world and that makes me sad for my children and your children and their children......I know exactly what DemEx means.....:hi::hug:DemEx

We desperately need balance in this crazy polarized world and if I can add a teeny bit by keeping my own world balanced and space sacred, then I am happy I can do it...

Funny how it kinda comes back to sacred space again doesn't it?

Anyhow...big :hug::hug: to you :loveya:
blessings guys,
DR

[LWolf]

5. I was especially struck by this part:

“In preparation for personal and planetary ascension, karmic lessons have been presented in concentrated and accelerated form...

I have certainly been living this so far in 2005!

:hi:

[Pallas180]

8. Desertrose

“In preparation for personal and planetary ascension, karmic lessons have been presented in concentrated and accelerated form, and this requires that some people create conditions that cause suffering for a multitude of others. Again, this is purposeful—it allows souls to fill the gaps in third density lifetimes and attain the balanced experiencing that simultaneously readies you to accompany Earth and contributes to her karmic fulfillment. So although it may appear that your world is in terrible shape and worsening, this is the end of the dominance of darkness as all that it comprises is coming to light. Because you don’t know others’ soul contracts, you cannot know what strategic role someone may be playing in this crucial balancing act, and therefore you are asked not to judge any.

Something in these words, especially the first sentence, flashed to me that group that committed suicide because they thought the comet Hale Bopp, i.e. aliens, was going to transport them to the new world. There's a very Jim Jones, cutlish flavor to these passages and I don't think it's good.

I'm wondering if whoever is getting these messages is asking when spirit appears or messages: If you are from good and God you can stay, if not I command you to go! (said with fervor).

I'm sorry if this offends, but just something not feeling right here, at all.

[robertarctor]

9. I agree, Pallas. Channeled rubbish.

Not a whole lot of difference there, aside from the new-age flavoring, from the old "put up with misery in this life, because your reward in heaven will be glorious" rubbish emanating from the usual heirarchic-religion suspects.

And I picked up on the Heaven's Gate vibe, too. Don't drink the Kool-Aid, kids.

[Desertrose]

12. Interesting.....

don't know where you guys got this Heavens' GAte nonsense, but if you see it then I guess you need to see it.
:shrug:

Commenting that things are getting pretty intense these days, does in no way ( at least to me) infer we must "put up with it for a heavenly reward".


I have yet to read in any of his other messages, any heirarchical - religious BS.

But again, maybe I don't need to go there.....

[Desertrose]

11. interesting how everyone views things

from their own perspective.

Seems pretty clear to me & many others that things here on good ol 3D planet earth are certainly concentrated accelerating.

Not sure how you get a "cultish" vibe from a statement that says since we don't know others path or contracts that its probably best not to judge what is going on with them....but hey. Guess we all see what we need to see.

I hope you read the whole thing. The website also has quite a few other messages. I have found this particular channel for me anyhow, to have the most consistently up lifting messages...not that I agree 100% with all he says but I certainly don't feel any negativity or manipulation from it. and yes, I am quite sure that this is coming from the "light".

No offense taken...just a differing pov, I guess.As I said before, I guess we see what we need to see.

[yellowdawgdem]

10. thanks dr

for the Mathew messages. I found them (also) to be uplifting and helpful. I don't think the message about organic food meant not to go that route if it speaks to you. Especially for really sensitive people, if you appreciate the difference, then it is helpful. It just seems to be saying that our earth has become polluted/toxic at this time. And that organic isn't enough on its own. Apparently, food supplements are esp helpful. I really feel that these channelled messages are intended to be helpful to us, they are not dark or neg.
it's just that the differences between our energy field and theirs make communication less than perfect. I can't imagine that they would suggest we need horrible things to happen in order to grow. That seems way off to me, and I tend to disregard that portion of the msg. Still and all, we obviously do need challenges, otherwise why be here at all. I just don't think things have to go completely down the tubes- I'm in favor of some balance and gradualness.

[Desertrose]

13. Thanks, yellowdawg...

I've always found Matthew Messages to be uplifiting and helpful as well :)


I have to say that I really don't think that is what he was saying...that we "need" horrible things to happen to us to learn and grow...it does seem however that many on this earth have "chosen" that way to learn and we are simply in a concentrated time period of this. It has always been our "choice" in how to learn...( for many years I state that I choose to learn through love & joy, not fear & pain...I think its helped little)

We judge things as good or bad and yet they really are neither. What seems horrendous to us , taken from a higher perspective, may be the best/only option to allow that particular soul to learn or see what they need to do for their own soul's growth.

We are here because WE chose to come & to experience 3D planet earth. WE chose to come into duality...good/bad, up/down, light /dark.....our choice to be here, our choice to decide how we view things, our choice to claim our power and walk away from fear or to let it guide us and keep us from knowing and being who we are.

By being kept in fear of our true "beingness"..we HAVE been manipulated for a long long time, and its not going to be easy to break the hold that is on us...but it can be done....is being done.

[Pallas180]

15. Desertrose, a healthy dose of skepticism is

healthy.

To say " I guess you need to see what you need to see", is dismissive.

Some people try to see what the other person is seeing. Why goodness
gracious, it might even be some kind of opening.

There's something wrong there.

But then again, I don't believe in 40,000 year old spirit channeling, or that Jesus dictated "A Course In Miracles".

There's a lot I do believe in that is not mainstream, but I do try to keep at least one foot grounded.

[Desertrose]

20. thank you for the advice, Pallas

I didn't mean to be dismissive...I was simply being honest.

and yes, believe me, I have my share of skepticism...but I have been around all this for a number of years ...a big number of years LOL...and after my varied experiences, my own truth detector is pretty finely tuned. I go by whether the information has a ring of truth to me, not necessarily the source...I too, treat it all the same like Dover & LWolf have mentioned...

"Something is wrong there" is YOUR opinion. I simply do not share it in this instance. No biggie.

As far as "openings" ...so true and I have had my share & then some over the years LOL.

At any rate, we are all where we are and that is fine. :)

I agree & appreciate all the comments made here. Its kinda fun to discuss metaphysical stuff with my DU pals again :hi: :loveya:
:hug:
DR

[yellowdawgdem]

16. channelled msgs.

It seems to me that, looking around at what is going on right now, that we are surely in an accelerated state, and that probably many of us are in a state of shock.
I often hear about something called critical mass, said to be 51%. iow, if 51% are visualizing peace, that will raise the vibration of the planet. So maybe that means people visualizing something good instead of something bad? I have considered posting some information on critical mass, and might do that, because it is such an important thing.
But regarding channelled messages, I confess that I have been reading/hearing them for a long time now, and experience a warm, informational vibration from them that has helped me during some tough periods of my life. I don't always find the information to be 100% accurate, and when I was younger, got really angry about stuff not being accurate. But over the years I have learned to listen to any hint of intuition, anything that I feel or sense. The hard part is acting on that intuition, but when I am able to do that, nearly always, it comes out the right way. Anyway, I hope you will not be intimidated out of posting more channellings, as things seem to be regressing back to the old days with Dookus. :shrug:

[Dover]

17. While I don't seek out channelers, per se.......

I don't see any difference between receiving information that way as opposed to directly from someone. Or at least I don't treat it any differently....it either speaks to me or it doesn't, and I'm perfectly capable of distinguishing (as is DR and anyone here) what does and what doesn't have meaning for me.

I see so much overlap in the content of messages from diverse sources now...current and ancient.

Channeling refers to a process in which a person transmits information or artistic expression that he or she receives mentally psychically or physically and which appears to come from a personality source outside the conscious mind.
Cayce offered up a great deal of wisdom in this way, which he was apparently unable to access in his waking life as easily.


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I don't think there's any danger of regressing back to the Meeting Room time frame, simply because that was a different time and circumstance which no longer exists. The intensity of those pre-election posts was exciting and interesting, but I would hardly yearn to go back to that time as I hope I have grown since then and am ready to explore new things. I think many people dispersed after that because the loss of the election took the wind out of their sails and it has taken alot of readjustment as well as self examination to recover emotionally. Now that those elections are behind us, the intensity has naturally subsided. Perhaps some are addicted to that level of tension.
I don't think the "loss" of astrological posters has much or anything to do with the diversity of information in this forum as much as it does with the changes that have come to pass internally and in the outer circumstances. So I hope we can all just be present and explore what's right here in front of us instead of longing for the past.

[LWolf]

18. Well put!

I've never really thought about it this way before, but I notice that I respond to channeled messages exactly the same way that I do more mundane communication, and it doesn't matter whether I am "receiving" or someone else is telling me what they received. I listen, I take the parts that resonate, or make sense, to me, and let the rest go.

Whether the parts that don't "feel right" are "wrong," or just not what I need, or what I'm ready for, I can't say. I know that there are things that resonate strongly with others that leave me cold. I've just always figured I didn't need it at that time.

Of course, anything and everything has "spin," and a particular perspective. Whether it is the channelees or the channelors doing the spinning, or both, there is bound to be some spin to the messages. Then we add our own interpretation, spinning it further! I think the thing to do is to look underneath the spin for the universal. Kind of what I do for various faiths, as well.

I enjoy reading the Matthew messages, and I take them the way I take all communication: think about it, take what makes sense to me, leave the rest. Or, set the rest aside to ponder again when I might benefit from it.

[yellowdawgdem]

22. Yeppers

Dover, I'm glad that you have an open mind in general, and with channeling, can see that it is just another form of information. I'm sure that artists mostly/partly channel their work, as well. I agree that it doesn't matter in what way the information is received, as long as it can be mulled over, etc. etc.
It seems as though our informational sources have gotten polluted along with the water, so that it is impt to simply receive something truthful, usable, in whatever form. I have some sadness that there is such a negative energy around this kind of communication. If one skips over it, some extremely valuable information will be lost. It beats the hell out of msm, imho.
I think somebody else mentioned an interesting factoid on the authenticity of what we hear, what the channeler hears, and what is actually said from whomever on the other side. iow, information can be changed or lost at any point, and it must be a really delicate matter to do it at all. I can vaguely imagine the person on the other side feeling frustrated at how much his or her msg. got warped out.
Regarding the loss of astrologers, I am puzzled by that as well. Not sure what could be causing that loss, although there must be some reason or reasons that I'm not aware of. I agree it is not because of our diversity. I have actually gotten so accustomed and so delighted by Nancy Waterman's thoughts and predictions, that it is really a big loss when she takes space from the forum. Although I'm sure it is a necessary thing, from time to time. I think losing the election was a big thing, and of course the energy is different now. But we are still here, and it is necessary that we continue on, and especially that we not become too isolated at this time. And, Oy vey, I didn't realize that channeling only has one 'L'. ;)

[LWolf]

19. Yes!

The choice in how to view things has become a project for me in the last few years, accelerated beyond belief here and now.

I think this is a strong piece of creating our own reality.

:hi:

:hug:

[DemExpat]

21. Please continue to post those articles here, DR!

I don't mind if once in awhile I "freak out" by one.....:D:D:D

I also value any incoming information! :thumbsup:

:hug:

DemEx

[Desertrose]

23. Thanks, DemEx...I will

As time , energy & information permit...I'll be happy to share.:)

:hug:
DR