For the non astrologers, renaming the forum.

[Cleita]

Apparently the astrolgers want their own forum, which leaves the rest of us here. However, what's left isn't really what the title suggests. I don't think my practice of ancient arts like the Tarot is really new age but very old age. So I guess we may want to rename this forum if the astrologers go.

My suggestion would be for Ancient arts of spirituality, divination and alternative healing. I think it would explain more what this is about. I know we cross pollinate with the Wiccans, but theirs is a religion and what we do is a practices outside of any specific religions.

What do the rest of you say, or do you have any other suggestions?

[Digit]

1. Metaphysical Endeavors?

[Cleita]

6. If Skinner agrees to a separate forum for the astrologers

and we need to rename this one, I think we should take all the suggestions and put them in a poll and vote on them. Metaphysics is a very good suggestion and is broad enough to cover a lot of what people call New Age.

[KittyWampus]

77. Cleita, How About Metaphysics, Theory And Practise?

[Cleita]

80. All the suggestions on these threads are good. Metaphysics

seems to be necessary to describe what this forum is about. I hope Skinner will agree to putting it back in like orignally proposed ten months ago. I'm kind of agreeing with everyone else that maybe we shouldn't change the name. I think Metaphysics should be added though. This renaming thing started when the astrologers indicated they wanted to take astrology with with them making this forum Sprirituality and Alternative healing, which didn't make much sense except to people who are into faith healing. We then needed something all encompassing of what this forum was about and Metaphysics fits the bill, but it seems Skinner doesn't like it, so I hope he changes his mind.

[Desertrose]

83. I think too, we don't need to change the name of this forum

It would be nice to have METAPHYSICS back, but its always been in the mission statement:)

I think we probably started this in reaction to some folks wanting their own astrology forum. So it may be Political Astrology or whatever that they end up with....and thats cool. No need we can't remain with the name we began our group with.


I mean after all, no one has exclusive rights to the word *astrology*...right??

Since we had it at the beginning...lets keep it, as many will continue to post their astrology as before...in this forum.

(This thread is getting a bit convoluted...perhaps we should start a new one????)

[icymist]

2. Probablly need a new mission statement as well.

I hate to see this group break up, though, I thought it was fairly balanced how it was.

[Cleita]

4. I did too, but there is a fundamental difference.

Tarot, I Ching, and other methods of divination are intuitive, not based on complicated charts of heavenly bodies. Spirituality can come from many diverse and sometimes contradictory sources. Alternative healing, well, it's more scientific than the former and maybe they might demand their own forum in time too.

I think of the great posts we've had in the past in the Meeting Room covering subjects other than astrology, especially Dover's wonderful posts, which I read but don't always post to. Those wonderful posts covering Feng Shui and other exotic life arts not well known in the west.

So I guess either we have to leave and let them have the forum or they can form their own.

[Desertrose]

14. New mission statement ideas....

Maybe we could go with a new name & new mission statement & the astrologers can keep the forum & change it to their new statement.

So...if we reach that place, how is this for a starting point??
(it would not preclude any astro discussion either)


Metaphysical Community or Metaphysical Meeting Room
or whatever name we end up with


This is a group for those who wish to positively explore issues of metaphysical pursuits including but not limited to: spirituality, divination of various methods, homeopathy, flower essences & alternative medicine and healing, ascension, anomalies ie: cropcircles,UFO's etc and other subjects having to do with metaphysical, holistic physical and spiritual growth & traditions.

This group is intended as a positive place for those who desire a deeper discussion of these stated topics and is not intended as a place to argue the merits of beliefs or choices.

NOTE: Discussion of Alternative and Complementary Healing Methods is in no way intended to take the place of mainstream medical care/tests but to serve as a place to come together to discuss and share other options, experiences and modalities of healing. Members are always advised to seek the advice of a medical doctor before experimenting with any alternative healing methods.

[Cleita]

15. I like it DR.

It says what we want to discuss without claiming it's the only path to enlightment or whatever each individual is trying to achieve. It would be more like a presentation of ideas and philosopies rather than dogma.

[Desertrose]

18. Have I missed anything??

I t came rather quickly so I don't want to leave out something important but I think its broad enough so people will feel posting pretty much anything ( even astrology LOL)

[davsand]

16. Sounds good to me.

I like it, DR.

We'll get it sorted out however we have to...


Laura

[Desertrose]

17. I agree....

it might be easier for everyone ( Skinner too) if we are in agreement and have our own missions statements all ready to go.
:)

[Pathwalker]

20. Feng Shui! We MUST have Feng Shui!

Also, how about Karma & Reincarnation, perhaps Esoteric Astrology, as well? Just a few ideas.

[Desertrose]

21. thanks NB!! great stuff...knew I missed a lot

will add them & repost.

[anitar1]

63. I loved the Feng Shui threads!

Elorial did a great job.

[Desertrose]

22. updated mission statement

This Group is for those who wish to positively explore issues of metaphysical pursuits including but not limited to: spirituality, divination of various methods, Feng Shui, homeopathy, flower essences & alternative medicine and healing, ascension,karma & reincarnation,esoteric astrology, anomalies ie: cropcircles, etc and other subjects having to do with holistic physical and spiritual growth & traditions.

This group is intended as a positive place for those who desire a deeper discussion of these stated topics and is not intended as a place to argue the merits of beliefs or choices.

NOTE: Discussion of Alternative and Complementary Healing Methods is in no way intended to take the place of mainstream medical care/tests but to serve as a place to come together to discuss and share other options, experiences and modalities of healing. Members are always advised to seek the advice of a medical doctor before experimenting with any alternative healing methods.

*********************

More ideas????

[Pathwalker]

23. I LOVE it! Count me in! So, have you decided on a name

for the new group yet? Will Skinner let us use the Metaphysical word?
I like both names, but I wonder if the Metaphysical Meeting Room might confuse some? What do you think?

[Cleita]

25. If he doesn't like Metaphysics maybe

we could call ourselves the X-files Room or Paranormal Room, exploring the world beyond our reality or something to that effect. Maybe the Sci-fi slant will appeal more to him.

[Pathwalker]

26. Spiritual "Voyagers" eh?

To boldy go...off the beaten path. ;-)
Time to read some dictionaries, I see...

[Desertrose]

29. Shall I contact Skinner....

or is this all premature?? Are we being pushed in to something here??

Seems to me to be the best for a lot of us.....never knew so many were so dissatisfied but it is making sense now....the clue phone has rung and I have picked it up LOL

I'll get a letter ready with our mission statement above and some choices of names in case Skinner won't give us METAPHYSICAL back to send off to Skinner but will wait to hear from any of you guys before I zap it....or if anyone else has other thoughts...PLEASE share :hi: :)

DR

NB... "Spiritual Voyagers" ....off the beaten path indeed...:rofl:Love that one....
damn, they are all good!

[Cleita]

31. I second that motion. Anyone else want to weigh in?

eom

[Pathwalker]

33. Yeah, the joke was for Cleita, since we share the same

avatar - I thought she'd get it, glad to see you do too. I'm thinking you and Demexpat can do this; make a mission statement and present it to Skinner. Can't help but wondering what he thinks. Do we have the ten posters we need to start it?

[Desertrose]

35. I was wondering that too..or do we even need 10 since we are

simply changing a current forum...or I guess it will be considrered brand new.

Hey DemEx, should we start a new post to get our 10 with the new mission statement???

[Eloriel]

46. Hold off just a bit, please

The mission statement is REALLY great -- but I think we should sleep on it, and the disclaimer needs just a tiny bit of tweaking IMO. Too, we are working on that waning moon, so it might be worthwhile to even wait to request the new forum, or the renamed this one (and we should decide that), until the moon is stronger.

[DemExpat]

49. What are your suggestions for the name?

We already have more than 10 below who support this statement and name suggestion and may not have a lot of time to wait if Admins decide to assist us (and the new group) with these changes.

:hi:

DemEx

[Eloriel]

60. I'm fine with the names, whatever. It was primarily the

disclaimer, but I did want to look at the rest as well. But it's all fine, now. But do take a look at my suggested disclaimer.

[tlcandie]

27. Love the mission statement and the name you came up with DR!!

:loveya:

[jrthin]

47. This statement works for me. nt

[Eloriel]

58. Suggested changes to the disclaimer --

After some PMs with DR, she suggested I post these for everyone to look at.


No content in the Metaphysical Community (or Metaphysical Meeting Room or whatever) touching on health issues or alternative, complementary and/or traditional healing methods or techniques is intended as medical advice. Always consult your healthcare professional for advice about your healthcare questions and needs.


Any objections? Elaborations? Other?

[Desertrose]

65. I think that is much better than what we had n/t

[davsand]

3. I felt I grew from learning more about Astrology.

I'm sorry it ended up this way, but I'll support both groups simply because I think maybe it will make people happier in the long run.

I see a lot of crossover between Astrology and Tarot (just as there is a crossover between Numerology and Tarot.) I felt I was learning and expanding my understanding of Tarot by learning more about Astrology, but I can do that if they are here with us or in a different forum...

I like the divination title, but it IS a metaphysical forum as well. One of the things I have loved most has been the acceptance here in this group, so, I'd suggest calling it the Metaphysical Community. That might be a bit TOO warm and fuzzy for some--I dunno.

Anyhow, I'm still here.


Laura

[Cleita]

5. I personally wouldn't mind if people like yourself posted

some astrology here if you felt it fit better in certain instances. Now numerology and Kabbala are something I haven't seen posted here. That could be interesting for practitioners of those arts to post as well.

I also wouldn't mind some anthropological posts regarding shamanism and those practices of spirituality. I would like to see Opimoimoi put his Kahuna posts here instead of GD.

[DemExpat]

8. If it splits here I also would greatly value Astrology threads that

tie in with intuition/psychology/philosophy/politics/sociology etc., and other more esoteric themes and fields.

The more technical threads and posts are interesting but over my head, while those connecting with themes like those listed above are absolutely fascinating to me.


I too am sorry :-( that there was much dissatisfaction down here when it looked so accepting and open to just about everything! :D

DemEx

[Eloriel]

48. Thanks, Cleita

"I personally wouldn't mind if people like yourself posted some astrology here

LOL. Glad to hear it. Who knows, I might have something to say about astrology before I die. ;-)

I USED TO self-identify as an astrologer. But now I'm getting the message that I must NOT be an astrologer, since I don't belong to any astrological professional group and all that and don't mind the kookie stuff I also believe in being posted here.

Thanks for starting this thread. I love it when people immediately grasp the New Reality of a situation and jump right over all that spilt milk to make the moves to get things going forward. Pragmatic, sensible, smart, and great leadership to boot. I've had my little angst and am EAGER for the astrologers -- who have excluded me so I guess I'll stop referring to myself as one of "them" -- to find another home.

I agree that we should welcome subjects on shamanism and indeed ALL the earth-centered religions of old and other traditional subjects too. I hope we can fold it into the mission statement (if it's not there already -- I didn't study the thing, just read it quickly).

Kephra posted some kabbalism, I think. Niether that nor numerology are of particular interest to me, but the ALL belong in here. ALL of them. I think we should think of a New Age Bookstore and all the subjects you'll find in there -- women's spirituality, for example. Buddhism, Sufism, Native American traditional ways, minerals and crystals, dowsing (that's one subject I remember from the Meeting Room), on and on and on.

Thanks again for the thread.

[Desertrose]

51. I agree and think that our new group will allow a lot more

really interesting stuff under the title of metaphysical community or meeting room. It'll be fun! :)

especially if Dover posts all her great finds!!
And since you are evidently not asn astrologer El, then you can post some non astrology astrology :evilgrin:

I kinda think we may have had to give Skinner what we had so far for him to chew on...so to speak.

I love all teh topics you mentioned and look forward to having them included under our new title :)

:grouphug: y'all!!!! :bounce:

[Eloriel]

59. ROTFL

Oh, I can't remember when I laughed like this. I most certainly WILL past some non-astrology astrology. In fact, just as much as I damn please, thank you very little.

:evilgrin:

[LWolf]

12. Warm and fuzzy is great.

It's one of the reasons I like this group; it's a friendly, accepting place to bring big ideas, questions, etc.. I can argue in other forums. ;-)

I like the Metaphysical Community. It's broad enough to cover everything I can think of, and it acknowledges the interconnections.

:hi:

[NMDemDist2]

7. this is so sad, I have been very busy lately and I come here and

see all this

:cry:

What ever it's named, it will still be one of my groups.

I was glad to read the astrology threads even though they usually didn't make much sense to me. I'm sorry to see this whole brouhaha happen.

metaphysics is probably good I guess......

[dbt]

9. Maybe this ain't a bad thing.

Maybe the split here is a natural result of growth--and we might all want to celebrate this. I wish the Atrologers only the best and will certainly read what they have to say; betcha they will read and maybe even post here. So be it.

I like the word "divination."

[Dover]

10. Hey I know. Let's have a forum about...........NOTHING!

Oh wait, Jerry Seinfeld already used that...



I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam.
I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.

--Woody Allen

I think we would need to use the word "metaphysical" in there somewhere because it is probably the broadest term (tarot, iching, healing arts, esoteric subjects, ancient arts, etc. could loosely be contained beneath that umbrella). But I'm going to save my brain cells until we get the final word from skinner. In the meantime I'll sleep on it.

[Quakerfriend]

11. That's hillarious!

Thx for the laugh, Dover.

[Desertrose]

13. Maybe if we are lucky..Skinner will let us have the word back....

we had "metaphysics" in our title originally but some of the skeptics threw a hissy fit and so Skinner felt it necessar to remove it.

I think "Metaphysical Community" would be perfect. Covers a lot of things in here the people post about....oooh ooh...how about ....

METAPHYSICAL MEETING ROOM

Am hoping Skinner might be cool with that and maybe by now the skeptics will be too.


I am sorry the astrologers want to distance themselves from the other posts here but I can understand it too. Guess I was hoping for a bit more tolerance from a group who has been fighting the battles they have to gain respect & legitimacy ever since the days "science became god".

(Even though there is a lot of technical aspects in astrology...for me the heart of it comes from somewhere beyond the aspects & math....at least thats where my years of study have led me.)

Anyhow....this is life & growth & change, isn't it??

[Quakerfriend]

19. DR, I love it- Metaphysical Meeting Room!

As a biochemist and one who has done many years of scientific research, I, too, always find it funny when some struggle to be put in the 'scientific' category.

At precisely this time in history scientists in all areas are exploding the boundaries of all that we sought to quantify & qualify over the past several centuries!

The vast unknown in science lies largely in what we have yet to understand about the spiritual dimension.

It seems that so much about being 'scientific' clings to the ego of man.

[Me.]

24. Precisely.

"The vast unknown in science lies largely in what we have yet to understand about the spiritual dimension"

[DemExpat]

28. If we can come to an agreement here on a new name and Mission Statement

I will be happy to propose this to Skinner for consideration.

Perhaps having this Group split to 2 will be the best action to take for all of our benefit and satisfaction.

:hi:

DemEx

[Desertrose]

30. oh cool, Dem Ex..just posted above

I was gonna but I can PM you what I have ...OK??

thx :hug::loveya::grouphug:

[DemExpat]

34. Yes, please PM me with an agreed upon new group name and statement...

perhaps with a couple of name possibilities.

:hi:

DemEx

[Desertrose]

37. Do we need 10 people???

are we a new group or just a name/mission change??

[DemExpat]

38. I don't think so, DR.....but the more the merrier who agree on a change.

:-)

DemEx

[Cleita]

32. Yes, let's do it if everyone else is agreeable.n/t

[DemExpat]

36. Great, let's see what a couple of the "old" Group want.

:hi:

DemEx

[Pathwalker]

39. Please count me in if you need ten people.

I have to leave for a few hours, but I wanted to use my name to this cause. :grouphug:

PS: Love the Metaphysical Community name, btw. :hi:

[DemExpat]

40. I love this too....maybe need one or 2 others as reserves....

:grouphug:

DemEx

[Eloriel]

50. PLEASE hold off just a bit, 'kay?

We may not be getting a NEW forum, but a major change like this is sort of similar to creating a fresh new one. Too, I wanted to take a fresh look at DR's excellent mission statement when I'm fresher (aka: tomorrow).

If I'm overridden, okay.

[Desertrose]

54. Hey El, check your inbox, ok?

Hope your still here somewhere:)

[Matariki]

72. threw a hissy fit over the word metaphysics?

why was that? what about the word upset them?

i wasn't here then.

[Desertrose]

73. It was a few of the more rabid skeptics from "the old flame war days"

They didn't feel we had the right to use the word metaphysics because it was (in their minds only) a "scientific" term.

Never mind that the term Metaphysical Bookstore did not mean a store filled with scientific books....or Metaphysical Studies would more likely teach you about astrology than get you a BS degree.

Evidently the common usage of the term for the past...hmm...25 or 30 years made no difference. They basically threw a hissy fit.

So in order to try to keep the peace with everyone ( which, as we all know is an impossible and thankless job) Skinner removed it from our title, even though we got to keep it in our mission statement.

Even though WE all (ok most of us) find the things we post here not to be unusual, many who come to DU have never heard of much of what we take as natural and normal...thus we are "labeled" as "far out". This being Skinners site, he gets the final say as to what content gets to stay or gets "invited" to leave. I am hoping that he will continue to allow us this group and whatever growth/changes might be of benefit to us.

FWIW the metaphysical community is quite large and by necessity ( as we have sampled here) an underground group...guess we have that in common with "Democratic Underground"!

(Yes, Mr. Skinner sir, you can take this a plea to not shut us down or kick us out. Thank you for your time. :) )

[DemExpat]

41. I count these names so far in favor of renaming and statement:

so more than 10 here.

Cleita
LWolf
Desertrose
NotoriousBohemian
DemExpat
tlcandie
ME
davsand
Quakerfriend
dbt (likes divination in the statement)
AZDem (?)
edit: Dover!

:hi:

DemEx

[Dover]

42. Well, don't forget me!

And I don't know what Nancy will do. I'm afraid she is stuck in the middle, but hope she'll visit both.

[Cleita]

43. I don't see why you and Nancy couldn't visit both.

I really don't see a conflict as long as the rules for each forum are followed.

[DemExpat]

45. I edited you in, dear Dover!

:hug:

DemEx

[NMDemDist2]

52. if it breaks, I'll go with what ever you guys want. as long as Dover's

and Michael Sharp's posts are welcome :bounce:

[Pathwalker]

53. I think that's the whole point of it, at least I hope so.

I really do.

[Desertrose]

55. I know he's been a very busy boy....

keeping me busy too with more book covers & illustrations. I am LOVING IT!!! woohooo!!!

It will be nice to have him post...remember our ascension threads? They were great.

:hi:Hey AZDem...you should see how smoky we are these days. Are you getting any smoke from the fires or is it all coming up here?? Its kinda creepy!!
I hate to see our state burning ...:cry:

[NMDemDist2]

56. HI DR!! we can see the smoke over the mountains on the north side

last week we got it badly, but the winds have shifted now.

Glad MS is keeping you busy too, how exciting!

the DoA was wonderful, is there a new book out yet?

Back on topic, the breakup of this group may be for the best after all, I know I have been chased away by some rude responses when I asked ignorant questions.

Sad really though......

[NMDemDist2]

57. I nominate DR's name, "Metaphysical Meeting Room" for the new title n/t

[icymist]

62. Count me in as well.

I wish we could all just get along. Ahh, but such is life!

[Quakerfriend]

44. The silly thing about this is that we are all going to end up

going back and forth btw. the two forums anyway.

:crazy: I feel like I'm a teenager and my boyfriend is trying to break up with me...thinking "Can't we just stay together and go back to the way it used to be." I really like the astrology threads but, don't have the knowledge to contribute. Now I feel discriminated against! x(

And, I hope we will keep the alternative healing in the name.

Just my two cents.

[icymist]

61. I have some questions.....

In taking Astrology out of this forum, dose that mean that discussions about Astrology will no longer happen here? There are, as have been pointed out, lot's of connections in the Tarot, Numerology, and Astrology. Also, what if some of the herbalists decide to become 'more professional than thou' and want their own forum? Would my sharing of my knowledge and experience of how to make herbal tinctures then be forbidden? (Which I haven't done here after seeing all the strong opinions leading to condescending, authoritative tones) E-mail campaigns that bring in others that haven't posted in lengthly periods to break apart an existing group are divisive and show one or two views that wish to become the dominate view. People will be people and we're not going to all agree on everything.

Skinner has a great dilemma in figuring this out and I suggest we fully support him in whatever discussion he makes for that is what will be good for the DU as a whole.

[Desertrose]

64. You bring up some good points icymist...

and you see clearly what has gone down here.

I hope we are free to post things that interest member of the the group. I don't see how posting about making herbal tinctures should cause a problem. That is something that one can find elsewhere on the web, so I can't imagine why it should not be allowed here. ( but thats just my opinion which means bupkus).

I find it difficult to imagine not being allowed Sostice or Equinox threads here any more either. Celestial events are not just the domain of astrologers after all.



If the astrologers want a more technical and in depth forum and Skinner is willing to grant their wishes, then perhaps that is best. will it lead to an exodus of others??? I certainly hope not.

But you are so right...we'll never get everyone to agree on everything.

:hug:
DR

[icymist]

66. Then I propose that somewhere in our mission statement we include...

"All related discussion" on any given matter "which would include topics discussed on other forums" or something to that manner. I look forward to discussing herbal subjects, which also has Astrological aspects to it as well.

:hi: :hug:
icymist

[davsand]

67. I DO hope we get some herbal threads going!

"Grass cures" are something I take a very real interest in--and know very little about for practical application. (I did have a great time telling my daughter's kindergarten class about garlic and its antibiotic properties a couple of years ago, however!)

PLEASE tell me we will see more stuff on herbalism!!!

I'm hoping we can open the doors up to all kinds of discussions--things like I Ching and Runes and Tarot and Remote Viewing--and anything else that we feel interested to know more about. If we want to discuss ghosts, or reincarnation, then, let's DO it! If we want to discuss the Loch Ness Monster, Chupacabre', aliens, and Mothman, we can do that too--as long as we keep an open mind and open hearts.

I guess maybe I am not as hung up on perceptions of "credibility" as I could be. IMO, it is unwise to close off things you haven't investigated or at least learned something about.

Years ago, nobody was sure why Jesuit Bark worked to help people with Malaria. It was only years later that they found out it was the quinine it contained that made it effective. Now, it is a commonly accepted treatment for the illness. Much the same can be said of several of our medical "discoveries."

Any Neurologist can tell you that we really have only mapped a small portion of the human brain and how it functions. It is a possibility that ESP or other abilities deemed as "psychic" and viewed with a skeptical eye are actually brain functions that can be learned in the same way that we learn to speak and walk.

Do I believe everything that people tell me? Nah. Santa doesn't live on the North Pole and I am not looking to buy a bridge. I'm also not willing to shut myself off from all the really wonderful stuff out there that we are only beginning to learn about.

It is my biggest hope that all can progress with these changes here and feel OK. There is space at the table for everyone.


Laura

[Desertrose]

68. I think we will see whatever people choose to post....

just as before....there are so many topics to explore...herbs are great withme,too davsand :)

I really want *everyone* to feel comfortable here. However it turns out...whether we stay as one group or split...I want this to continue to be a healing and warm fuzzy place to escape the rest of the world.

[LWolf]

70. Wow.

I am uplifted by the positive ideas flowing from this thread. This fresh burst of energy can only benefit us!

I love "Metaphysical Community" and "Metaphysical Meeting Room." I think Eloriel's disclaimer is great, and your description, too.

I just have one request:

When all is said and done, can we bless the updated group with a "Sacred Space" thread?

There are all kinds of sacred spaces, these days. ;-)

:loveya: :hug:

P.S. My grandboy just woke up and came looking for me. He wanted to know who I was "talking" to on the computer. I told him, and he said, "Who is she?" So I told him that you were my friend in AZ, and a wonderful artist. He asked what you "drew," so I showed him some images. He says, "Tell her she is a great artist."

[Desertrose]

71. I am so flattered LWolf

Please tell your sweet grandboy I am very happy and proud he likes my pictures.

I am currently working on a childrens book about a young girl, her grandma and grandma's roses that have fairies! I get to do the cover AND inside illustrations!!! I am really enjoying it. (BTW the author is in OR, too!)

Yes,I agee when things calm down ( as they inevitably will) we will get some sacred space going again in here.

BIG:hug::loveya: to you & grandboy
DR

[icymist]

69. Herbal threads are fine with me.

I have some practical experience and knowledge with them, mostly North Americian and Western herbals. Let's wait until everything calms down and see how the group feels.

:hi:

[Cleita]

74. Skinner has addressed the matter.

If you didn't see his post on this forum,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x9047

I guess we need to start a thread for a meeting, including both pro and con groups.

[NuttyFluffers]

75. yawn, astrology is UNDER divination. it is a SUBCATEGORY.

period.

each campy camp can do as they please. if i wanna talk divination from cartomancy, hydromancy, astrology, numerology, runes, pyromancy, i ching, ifa, geomancy, or the latest vibe i get from picking my nose i'm gonna talk about it. and it's most likely gonna be here.

if there is those who don't want to contribute to the discussion, fine. however one pleases. if they need a separate group to discuss a subcategory (western astrology) of a subcategory (astrology) of a subcategory (divination) of a subcategory (spiritualism, mysticism, and its arts -- aka potential name) of a subcategory (religion & mythos) of a category (culture) whatever floats their boat.

don't wanna get involved, but i think it's silly. is it really that hard to move the mouse cursor to click back a page or two? or check out "my posts" to keep up with a topic you're replying to? sure this is the biggest DU group (or at least with the most posts, dunno 'bout people), but things are nowhere near as fast and furious as LBN, GD, GD: P, or Lounge. what's so hard to keep up with? is there some sort of "taint"? is it too hard to start a new topic on your interest? seriously, just don't get the issue. and frankly, since y'all got my panties in a wad now, i don't wanna get it right now.

i think all y'all who be flamin' ta bits need to take a big ol' toke on the cosmic spliff, sit your ass down a bit, and wait until your mercury in retrograde passes.

ps: this is my post on this whole madness, venting and all. havne't the time and energy to bother keeping up with the other posts about this. so excuse the frustration. now i'm off to clean my chakras... scientifically...

[oxbow]

76. Just call it "DU Mystics"

that should cover it. I don't wanna see the astrologers leave but whatever.

[KittyWampus]

82. I like that rather a lot. DU Mystics.... I REALLY Like It

for the record, I'm abivalent about the 'split'.

[KittyWampus]

78. I've Always Wanted To Start A Qabalah/ Esoteric Astrology& Tarot Thread

where would I go?

I feel like a little kid crying BUT WHAT ABOUT ME

:cry:

[oxbow]

79. Don't cry

I think you're in the right forum. Post away :)

[Matariki]

81. hey Cryingshame - please do!

i am a longtime student of the qabala and tarot and love to discuss those topics.

although my own skills for starting a thread like that amount to "so, how 'bout that qabala" ;-)

[Cleita]

84. Mods, would you please lock this?

I don't think the discussion is necessary anymore and there are other threads on the same subject. Thanks.

[DemExpat]

85. Locking

A new thread has been started on this topic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x9360