A delicate situation ... suggestions?

[ebayfool]

I hope this doesn't offend anyone - posting this here. I know some aren't comfortable w/stuff like this, but I've really come to value the collective wisdom in the voices here. This time it's not asking for myself. And there just aren't that many places to talk @ it - who'dathunkit ... finding a clan on the web! Anyway, apologies in advance to any that might feel offended w/the subject matter.

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A very good client (& very nice people) that I do housekeeping for - practicing Catholics, young family w/2 children - a girl @ 9yrs & a boy almost 5 yrs. I'm fairly certain that the parents wouldn't relish anything to do w/what I'm picking up at their home. Mom's a banker, Dad's a high school coach - very 'reality' based.

I've been taking care of this family for @ 6 months (usually I'm alone in the house when I'm working - they come & go), & am very pleased w/the working relationship we've built. The kids are sweet & so well-mannered that they hug the housekeeper & say 'thank you for cleaning up after us' on a regular basis.

The problem I'm worried @ (& it is on my mind w/increasing frequency) is the little boy's room. It's not the most repelling room I've ever been in - but it's very close. And getting stronger. I don't know a better word for it, just repelling. I clean it quick & get out quick. The boy hardly sleeps in it, & when he does - he gets up in the middle of the night & goes to his sister's room to sleep (even if it's on the floor, when she gets tired of it & won't let him climb in her bed). It feels stagnant, no matter how much I clean, freshen or air it. It's a fairly new house, on the outer limits of the town where everything is still mostly undeveloped other than their housing division.

I hadn't spoken of this to anyone, just to be clear. I 'pick up' stuff whether I want to or not (I don't like it, I bar most of it). My youngest is way more adept at 'picking up' - often to her detriment. She doesn't have the defenses up strong enough to dally, so I encourage her to stand back (we white light, smudge, & are now using crystals & feng shui -TY Eloriel!). I have just waited to see what - if anything - developed, & pondered.

During my usual Friday cleaning (I'm there 2 days a week) I was in the boy's room w/the usual wading through water feeling as I changed the linens, when I said (yeah, I talk to myself - LOL) 'what I should do is smudge in here'.

Instant reaction. Cold, cold, cold. Gooseflesh. Get out of my room!

I'm in CA - it's over 100 deg all summer here. I work w/the house opened up - I'm a huge believer in airing out the house. There's no way that I could walk into a cold spot in that room.

I took my daughter to help me the next trip (once in awhile she comes with - there are days it's just too physically hard for me to do it alone ... the body's getting mighty tired!). I hadn't mentioned the room to her before. I was still trying to figure out just how to approach the mom w/out her thinking I was nuts or firing my butt, so it was on my mind but unresolved. She went in to do the boy's room & came out saying 'something's not right in this room mom!'. I told her to come back in w/me & casually said 'maybe it needs to be smudged'. She had the exact same instant rush of cold air & goosebumps. I guess you could say I was getting a 'second opinion' or diagnosis. The rest of the house, for want of a better term, feels clean - including the little girl's room. It's just that corner of the house (it does overlap w/the laundry room next door, but not as strong).

I don't feel any threat (except when I'm contemplating a good smudging) to myself - it's an unwelcome room, but not really threatening to me. I can continue to feel okay cleaning it. My problem is I don't feel the same @ the little boy. I do feel it's harmful to him, if for no other reason than it's unhealthy. His mother has told me that he's been sick & on antibiotics for one thing or another for over a year (that's also @ the time they've owned the house). He has started bedwetting when he was fully continent before, & that's hurting his poor little heart. His docs can't quite give her a reason for any of it - they tend to treat each illness as a separate issue instead analyzing them as a serial thing. I've searched in & around for mold, water spots, anything that I can think of - inside & out. Nothing unusual that I can find.

I can't be sneaky - if the mom doesn't believe this a real issue, then smudging or anything like it would (imo) be damaging because it's not done freely. I'm also afraid of making things worse. I do plan on catching her at home on a day off & bringing it up - as delicately as possible. I don't want (& can't afford) to lose this client, but I'm also unable to stay w/out trying to broach the subject w/her. Her little boy is just so miserable, & I have a hard time turning away from that.

I guess what I'm asking from my new friends here is - possible approaches to explaining what this is to the mom? Any ideas on non-intrusive ways to support & defend the boy, w/out forcing my beliefs & methods on an unenlightened (not the right word, but will have to do) family? Any suggestions at all.

I don't know this family well enough to be sure of the reaction, I'm just the nice lady that makes the house smell good ( kid's words:D )! But I do believe that turning my back on someone that needs me in some way will mean that someday, when one of mine needs something - someone else will turn away from them. I really want to clean this child's room - completely.

Ideas?

[Idylle Moon Dancer]

1. What do you mean by 'reality' based?

The first suggestion that jumped into my mind is to somehow start a
casual conversation about ghosts, spirits or somesuch to get a feel
for their disposition on such matters, and go from there. But maybe
you already know; 'reality' based.

[ebayfool]

2. 'Reality' as in people that I've known that are no-nonsense, there ain't

no such thing ... only if they can see it, feel it, taste it or it doesn't exist kind of thinkers. I know there's more to reality than most people are aware of, but I'm referring more to the traditional interpretation that most people give the word. They don't seem to have much awareness of the spiritual side other than traditional church-going, but that could be a wrong assumption on my part. That will be part of the discovery process when I get a quiet moment to sit down & talk to her.

I'm trying to marshall all my points that I should make before I do try to bring it up.

[yankeeinlouisiana]

3. Start cleaning with amonia and water.

Start in the far corner of the room and work towards the door. Then sweep, with a broom. Continue sweeping towards the front of the house and "throw" all of the negative energy out of the house. Even if the room has carpet in it, use a broom and sweep all of the energy out.

If you're there for a couple of hours, bring a small white candle and light it in his room, place a glass of water next to it and say a prayer. One of those emergency candles should burn within that time.

I'm not sure what smudging is, but blessing the room would be a good idea too. If the spirit is strong enough, you may have to do this a few times.

If they're Catholic, they might be opened to the thought of "evil or dark" spirits.

Good luck!

[Matariki]

11. sound like a traditional 'hoodoo' cure

i was going to suggest washing with a three ingredient bath. Ammonia is a common ingredient in those.

[Mrs_Beastman]

4. Really old school Catholics

would understand,like my czech 94 yr old grandma. Actually, the church they attend probably the priests offer house blessings, when asked. Maybe you could broach having a house blessing by a priest. Or, usually at the new year, the church will hand out a house blessing the member's can chant and write with chalk on the door of the threshold(serious, I've done it with grandma when her eyes were too bad to read it!)

[davsand]

5. You can try the house blessing thing with someone from the church.

That can help. At least that is mainstream enough they won't dismiss you out of hand (hopefully!)

If they don't "go for" or accept anything that is related to a church, you could possibly try and explain to them that you DO feel something there, that you are afraid for the child and all you want to do is help. You can also explain to them that your sense of ethics demands that you both offer the help and discuss it (get an ok)with them first.

They may think you are "nuts", but they will at least realize you are not gonna do anything to their house unless they ok it first. Your respect for them will carry you a long way, I think.

Frankly, the village witch* or the local medium was, for a long time, the place to turn when there was an issue with some kind of spirit. A lot of people have forgotten that or discarded that idea in our era of "science." I do know some witches who still do a fair amount of work to free up spirits that are earthbound or otherwise causing an issue here in this realm.

I lived in a group house one time that was fairly new--less than two years old. When you walked into the house it was fairly neutral, but once you walked into the lower level (it was a tri level) it felt really heavy and intense. The only example I can give is walking into a house where the occupants have been totally miserable for a very long time, and they have just stagnated in hatred for each other.

I got out voted and we rented that house. (It was new and it had a DISHWASHER and washer dryer...) I managed to live there for all of about three days before I started looking for a way to lighten that place up. Brighter bulbs, new light colored curtains--you name it--even down to aroma therapy. No help. Finally, I broke down and got a big old sage smudge stick...

I used it as part of a ritual of release for any spirits, and it did wonders to lighten up the atmosphere in that house. We had no problems after that.

Best of luck with this one. It is creepy for you on a lot of levels, I'm sure.

Brightest blessings to you and to that family!



Laura

* I'm not advocating for a witch, per se, because I know there are more than a few in here who do not feel comfortable with that title, the craft, or even the idea of anything outside the traditional forms of a church. (Please, to all of you, do not feel I'm pushing it or "recruiting"--ok?)

[Pathwalker]

6. Is there any way to check out the history of the house?

Did anyone close to the family, or little boy die close to the time they moved into the house? It sounds like the boy is actually being harmed here - either by a discarnate entity, or what I don't know, but whatever it is, it doesn't belong there, it isn't in the boy's best interest, so it needs to be removed.
All the suggestions I've read sound good, but have you asked your spirit guides/angels for guidance? Perhaps you could even ask them to speak to the boy's spirit guides/angels for guidance - I wish you success!

[sojourner]

52. ditto this response

[SteppingRazor]

7. Having grown up Catholic...

I know they still do blessings. Heck, you can get a Catholic priest to bless your car or your motorcycle, much less your house. If they're big Catholics, they could go for a house blessing.

P.S. (for those who read the skeptic forum) Yes I'm terribly, terribly skeptical about anything supernatural or extraordinary, but that doesn't stop me from having an interest in it, which keeps me reading this forum now and again. Figured I'd post where I had an idea to contribute.

[davsand]

8. Thank you for adding an assist.

Skeptic or not, IMO, you are welcome to join in if you do so in a way that doesn't inflict hurt or doubt on those who are not skeptics. Seems to me, you were not disruptive and you added something to the discussion.

I am glad you chose to join in!

:hi:


Laura

[SteppingRazor]

9. Eh, I don't see the point in contentious posts about basic beliefs...

I mean, does anyone really think they're gonna convince someone that their entire way of thinking, religious faith, or belief system is wrong, simply by posting on an Internet forum? Somehow, I seriously doubt it.

Likewise, I'm not going to head straight down to my local botanica because of what I read here. ;)

But I do know quite a bit about a lot of the subjects being discussed here -- my disbelief comes from a lot of reading, after all -- so if I can throw something into a discussion, I'll do so. Speaking of which ...

Yes, it's extremely unusual that this sort of thing would happen in a new home, but it's not unheard of. I've read reports of "cold spots" and "dark spots" in relatively new homes. Never, IIRC, in a BRAND NEW home, though, which -- for believers -- might suggest that human habitation is some sort of prerequisite for ghostly activity.
Then again, reports of similar hauntings at the Empire State Building directly after its construction were pinned at the feet of construction workers who died during the building -- not, imho, the nicest thing to do to the guy that just built your office building and died in the attempt, but whattaya gonna do?

[Matariki]

10. You are in a unique position to help

As their housekeeper - you can clean the room adding things to the water. I'll post a recipe for you tonight. You can put a little salt in the corners as well.

However I'd suggest something a little stronger - look up 'Rose Cross Ritual' on google. It's a Golden Dawn ritual, it's short, very simple and easy to learn, and VERY, VERY effective.

Frankly what you're describing sounds like a 'ghost' to me, not an evil presence and I'd treat it with compassion. Do the Rose Cross and tell them it's time to move on.

Feel free to pm me if you want more info about the Rose Cross.

[Matariki]

19. Wash Recipe

a handful of Salt or Epson salt
1 TBSP or so of Ammonia
some eucalyptus oil

mix in a gallon of water. you should pray over this or you can read either the 10th or 29th psalm, both of which can be used for banishing spirits.

wash the room with it and choose something to use as a mantra while you clean. A line from one of those psalms, or whatever works for you.

[ebayfool]

22. Good timing, kineta!

Thank you ... I was about to pm you for the recipe. I'll use it on Friday when I'm in for the regular. Friday is the day for the deeper cleaning, so I can do a thorough job of it w/this & the others here.

I love the souls in this forum ... I love finding a place to ask questions & not feel at all like I have to coach my words. I don't think I've ever been able to be so open w/out having someone through me the 'evil-eye' as I walk away. It's a comfort!

[Desertrose]

12. Could you maybe start by asking them if "they" noticed anything odd

or unusual about the house, particularly the boys room.

I'm wondering if they purchased an antique or something that this entity has attached itself to.

Sometimes its simply enough to give the entity (regardless of what it is, but is sure sounds like a "ghost" to me) permission to go to the light. Tell it is is OK, there is no reason to stay here anymore and that the light (God, Jesus, angels or whatever) is waiting. That they can GO NOW in love. Try to stay in a space of love & compassion (but protect yourself, too).

I would also ask permission of the boys higher self/soul to surround him in a protective bubble of pure love. This kid needs some help here for sure.

Probably a good idea to ask permission of all concerned's higher selves if you have permission to proceed. You could do this and still ask the parents help, too.

But maybe broach the subject by askin gif they've noticed...if they say yes then you can share what you've felt. If they say thjey haven't noticed anything unusual I would think they would certainly ask what YOU have noticed.

This is tricky but I am glad you are there to help...no coincidence.
There are some good suggestione here for sure, for mer, I tend to go with the simplest route first.;)

:hug:
DR

[Eloriel]

13. This gets my vote for best ideas so far, among some good ones

First, I also ahve to say I do not agree with kineta that this "ghost" isn't harmful -- it most certainly is if the child is ill all the time and you get that kind of response from contemplating smudging. AFAIC, when you're talking Spirit entities, any not clearly (if only mildly) positive is negative.

I know, intellectually, that you're supposed to have all sorts of permissions to go mucking about in other people's karma and spiritual stuff, but damn! This sure seems like as good a time as any to ignore that rule. That's why I like DR's suggestion of talking it over with everyone else's higher self. Do that and ask your OWN H.S. for clear and unambiguous guidance about how to proceed.

And if you get to the point of bringing it up in regular conversation with the parents, take a brief second to ask for help with that too. (I get such great help in sticky situations when I just have the presence of mind to ASK beforehand and/or during.)

Sometimes its simply enough to give the entity (regardless of what it is, but is sure sounds like a "ghost" to me) permission to go to the light. Tell it is is OK, there is no reason to stay here anymore and that the light (God, Jesus, angels or whatever) is waiting. That they can GO NOW in love. Try to stay in a space of love & compassion (but protect yourself, too).

Excellent advice. I usually have trouble with the part I bolded, simply because that "love and compassion" things ends up feeling -- and too often being -- opening my own chakras to influences I shouldn't. Stupid bit of confusion, but I've learned my lesson on that the hard (and nasty) way. Just thought I'd mention it. If there is any doubt on your part, there are Flower Essences which can help keep you psychically protected (Walnut from Bach or Healing Herb, which are usually available in most healthfood stores is but one).

I would also add to DR's advice on this that under most circumstances you can simply TELL them to go, and stern is just as good (maybe better) than soft and sweet. This is where it's trickier, tho, since it's not your home, and not your child. BUT, it's not totally out of the question if you get some of those permissions. Once you are totally free to proceed there are many different techniques you can use. But always, always, always ask for help and assistance from YOUR guides, from whatever angels, archangels, ascended masters, etc., and use the White Light of Protection for yourself.

Keep us posted. Good luck! (And I concur with DR that this is no coincidence that someone like you who can perceive the threat is there to help.) I salute you.

[azoth]

15. Yep. There are times when incurring a little Karmic Debt

just feels like the *right* thing to do. If this isn't one of those times, I don't know what would qualify.

And if you need logical justification - hey, they *pay* you to clean, right?

So - you're cleaning. Just think of it as a little "deep cleaning" eh?

Blessings and good fortune.

[Matariki]

16. hey, i didn't say the ghost wasn't harmful

i said be compassionate. definitely get it out of the house.

no words in my mouth please ;-)

[Eloriel]

28. Okay, semantics, I guess

I would have benefitted from going back to re-read what you did say before mis-quoting you. Here is what you DID say:

Frankly what you're describing sounds like a 'ghost' to me, not an evil presence and I'd treat it with compassion.

I guess from the description given I saw this "presence" more on the evil-side of the continuum scale. Sorry for misquoting you. Didn't mean to "put words in your mouth," but you did, IMO, make it sound more benign than I think of it.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. Sometimes with spirits

you have to be rude and mean. I've dealt with spirits before who were horrible. This spirit appears and feels to be going down that path. It doesn't feel so bad as the other's I've dealt with in the past. I think with this spirit you might need a little bit of both compassion and strength. Don't be a total hard ass but don't let it walk over you either.

[Desertrose]

41. Maybe be firm and strongly intentioned

rather than mean or rude.

I agree with compassion & strength.

Like begets like and who wants more of what is already there, right? LOL

[sojourner]

55. Very good point...

I am strongly of the opinion that a stance of strength (power- rather than force-based) with compassion for the fear that keeps entity trapped in the darkness (self-created) is the absolutely most helpful, and most effective approach.

I've been dealing with entities all my life...and have gone through several "iterations" of my approach to them. My most recent lessons have taught me that there is more power in light than most of us even imagine...and that in the end everything really is connected...so if you think about it, the entity IS you.

As a result of this, I have had "scary" entities coming to me to request help in achieving their release... (after their first encounter with the light that I showered upon them).

[ebayfool]

43. Higher selves permissions - I do believe I was answered, big time!

Late update, I fell asleep as soon as I got home (really tired but shouldn't have been) - but today went very well. I asked for the permissions over the course of the last couple of days, & felt very calm & assured going to work today.

I think the mom has sensed the problem w/out even realizing it, or her guides were working overtime. I haven't talked to her yet, that was on for Saturday w/the garden. I was still a little tense @ that, since I'm not always very good at expressing what I'm thinking.

Well, she had left a note - they decided to go out of town for a week. She said that she was leaving it up to me to do anything that I thought needed doing (& that I was an angel for always seeing what needs to be taken care of before she does). She said I had carte blanche - go crazy! I then go to the piles of shopping bags waiting to be unloaded ... the woman had most of my list. Epsom salts, ammonia, a new broom, several white candles, (believe it or not) several flower essences - though not the ones you had listed, just @ everything I needed but crystals. Oh, she also bought sage - the kitchen/turkey kind (hey, she tried LOL)! She never buys epsom salts, ammonia or essences - & the old broom was only 3 weeks old.

Gets better - I go to the boychick's room. Mom has hung the most beautiful, simple celtic-style cross on the wall. They have none in any of the other bedrooms, this one was new. She bought & hung it since we started discussing in here.

There was more, so much that it's begun to jumble trying to remember it all. I spent 8 hours doing the regular job, & as much as I could of all the tips in this thread.

Started w/the white candle & water, visualizing & trying to reassure whomever. Rose Cross Ritual (was awkward at it, though - I need to practice). Scrubbed the whole room w/the ammonia/epsom recipe, then put some in the spray bottle to cover the bed & surfaces that wouldn't take to scrubbing. I'm not sure if I did that part right, though. There was absolutely no scent, at all, of the ammonia & eucalyptus in the room - all day. When I noticed that while spraying, I went outside & smelled the bucket & spray bottle. They were strong, outside the room & out of doors. Each time I went in the room, no smell (actually, the family would probably appreciate that!). Swept w/the new broom (& replaced w/the one I bought - a personal bug, I don't like to reuse them after something like this). Smudged everything (emptied the dresser & got it all around as well as the closet).

I still felt the need to do all the above in the adjoining laundry room & hallway, better too much than not enough. The whole time explaining that there was no other option - go. I still have to get the crystals & the essences you mentioned, but it's begun at least. I want to do everything I can while I have 'free rein'.

And I can rinse, repeat - for the next week. Without explaining the odd smells & all. Serendipity? Or very good guides!

Thanks all, I feel really good @ this.

[Desertrose]

44. DJM1 this is SOOO cool!

Don't you love it when there is no doubt about the "answer"?

Fascinating about the "smell" disappearing in the kiddos room, too. I'd say you are getting lots of help on this one :) and I am sure everything you have done was exactly right! :thumbsup: awesome!!!!!!!

Please keep us posted....thinking of you :hug::loveya:

DR

PS You do great work!! :hug:

[ebayfool]

46. Lots of help - looks like she walked through Target w/an entourage of

guides poking her w/elbows saying "this, and this, oh - buy this too!". I also suspect there were guiding hands from DU too!O8)

Thanks DUers!:grouphug:

[sojourner]

56. evidence that you may always trust the universe...n'est-ce pas?

[ebayfool]

21. Wonderful ideas here - thanks everyone!

I'm planning to drop by this weekend w/some plants for their garden, getting the mom outside playing in the dirt should provide an opportunity to bring up the subject. Just reading through the suggestions tonight gives me some feel for how to go about it - TY, guys! I'm going to use the more non-obtrusive cleaning tips (candle, sweeping, ammonia water, etc) when I'm working on Friday. These are justifiable extensions of what I'm already doing for them, so I'm comfortable feeling that permissions aren't required for them. Who could complain that someone is doing extra cleaning w/love in mind for their children? I want to go further & smudge, but want to ask the mom if she feels okay w/it. Hard to smudge w/out having to explain the odor left behind. I find it pleasant, but it is rather pungent & hard to hide. The reaction we felt to the very off-handed remark @ smudging tells me it's definitely called for. The Rose Cross Ritual, I've read a little on it - but need to be more clear on the details. I figure if everything's acceptable & on track that I can go in on Tuesday w/sage (we have a supply laid up - I'm a stockpiler!) & finish w/the Ritual.

Talking to the higher self - that's what brought me here to ask for help. I'll do some checking on the background of the house/family/area this weekend too. I'm pretty sure that it's the land beneath, rather than the house (although the only old piece of furniture in the entire wing of the house is in Garrett's room - an old bureau). When I first felt the cold, I walked outside to gather my wits. First thought when I walked outside - 'people have dumped bodies out here for as far back as I can remember'. The area used to be the boonies before the building boom pushed outward so far. But again ... that was a first impression/hunch, & I have been misled or deflected before!

They have alot of crosses in & around the house, some simple - some ornate. Mostly decorative on the surface, but I'm certain they also bely a deeper faith. So perhaps asking @ her priest blessing the house or one of the crosses wouldn't be as unusual an idea to her as I feared.

I'm going to just assume that she'll be receptive to me bringing it up. Positive expectations always seem to bring the desired results for most of what I try (power of 8 thread, there's a perfect example!). I feel calmer & more focused @ this now. I really feel it's good - a psychic hug for the boy! And hugging is always good.

[FreedomAngel82]

37. Good luck

Interesting on the beraue. Sometimes spirits cling to an object too. Try cleaning around this object in the boy's room. That might help. I've heard of spirits clinging to objects before. Maybe you can try talking to the spirit too. If you're brave enough.

[bliss_eternal]

14. I don't have anything to add here, just wanted to say

this was an interesting read. I found it QUITE intriguing that your daughter felt as you did, and brought it up on her own. Without prior knowledge you had an odd vibe on this room.

I think there are some great suggestions here thus far. I hope you will let us know what you decide and how it goes...

Take care,
Bliss :hi:

[Matariki]

17. question

i've had a fair amount of experience with 'entities' - both spirits and 'ghosts'. and my experience is that the type you're describing isn't that easy to get rid of. i'd be surprised if smudging or simply telling it to go away is going to do the trick. but i could be wrong of course. has anyone had direct experience of sending a tenacious spirit on its way by smudging or simply telling it to leave?

truthfully, i think that if you're not up for doing some sort of ritual, then the advice of testing the waters with the family with the intent of suggesting they enlist the help of their catholic priest is the best idea.

[Eloriel]

30. Yes.

Someone in my family had an attached entity for decades. When he finally understood that, he sent it on its way ("to the Light"), and was a different person starting the next day.

We are told (repeatedly) that they are under the Law which says that they MUST honor those requests/demands to leave us alone. I will, however, say, that sometimes they are indeed recalcitrant, stubborn, etc., and it takes considerable firmness and strong will to get the job done.

Ahh, that makes me remember something I was forgetting. I myself had an experience myself when I wasn't even 20 yet, living on my own. I had a persistent "visitor" all weekend, and it was terribly unpleasant. Okay, it freaked me out. But when I finally got msyelf together and REMEMBERED that I had the spiritual authority to send it on its way, and did so with a firm hand, he left.

[FreedomAngel82]

38. Yes

I've had that before. Sometimes you have to just be firm and tell them to go away and ask for help from your guides if they don't listen to you. It all depends on the spirit. Do they respect the rules or not? If they're really negative they might not respect the rules and you'll have to use force and depending on how negative they are depends on how much force you need. I've had a spirit here once that was after me and I had to use so much energy to get them away I was sleeping half the next day. :crazy: Each one is different. This spirit with the boy seems determined to stay but I don't know how things will work out since I don't know anything else with this spirit besides of what I can generally get.

[Trillo]

18. Can it be something less woo woo?

Like maybe radon or something similar? It was just a thought....

Good luck.

[Matariki]

20. it could be

and that's good to remember. thanks for posting that.

[ebayfool]

24. I had that thought too, that's why I started looking for mold & the like.

But anything else is beyond what I can check out on my own. All I can do is the cleaning ideas above, & nudge the parents to be aware that somethings not right. It can't hurt to try the suggestions above, & can potentially do some good. And 'woo-woo' is what I felt, logical or not. Your suggestion is one that the parents should look into, but it's not my house. I can only try to help in what is available to me. Thanks for the suggestion, though - it is something I'll also add to the parent's nudge.

[Eloriel]

31. I can't imagine the cold spot and goosebumps from radon or

other "non-woo-woo" explanations. I think you've successfully ruled other possibilities out, just in your own explorations and tuning into your own senses.

We so often don't trust what we perceive with other than the 5 senses, but our "6th sense" is just as viable.

[LunaC]

23. "non-intrusive way to support the boy"

What about programming two crystals for protection then giving them as a gift to the boy and girl? You could tell them that crystals were used in the very first radios (which is true) but leave out the mystical significance. As "cool rocks" the kids will love them!

I'd also follow my intuition and smudge the room. I often get the goose-bump chills when I've hit upon a Truth so it may not be the enmity of an entity that you're feeling but a confirmation. If you're concerned about the process, program a protective crystal for yourself as well.

[ebayfool]

25. I thought of crystals, but wasn't sure if they should be carried or hung

in the room or ? Programming a crystal, would that be smudging/cleaning it along w/a protective imprint? I do like the idea of both kids having one, that's a good idea! The little girl's room is on the same end (& hall) of the house, so it would be practical to make sure she's covered as well. I have a small supply laid up of them, thanks to a link on the feng shui thread, so they are here & available.

[LunaC]

26. Smudge to clear

then imprint it with protection. The crystals can be carried or just left in their rooms. Their purpose isn't for Feng Shui so they don't need to be hung.

(I'm talking about quartz crystals, not the cut glass or leaded kind.)

[ebayfool]

27. Thanks, I'll get them both one (& add to my family's while I'm at it)!

I don't have the quartz (not as stockpiled as I thought ... LOL!) but there's a little metaphysical shop pretty nearby that I can get some at. Glad you pointed that out, TY.

[Desertrose]

29. Maybe a good idea for *you* is to wear a stone when you are there....

doesn't have to be a fancy thing or even a crystal. My Apache elder teacher taught me to (always) wear a stone right at your sternum (right at the point where your ribcage meets between your breasts) for protection. That basically that is where we pull in out energy from the outside world...its sort of our "filtering system" if you will and that wearing a stone ( for some reason I get amethyst for you or possibly some labradorite:shrug: ) protects that sacred and vulnerable spot.

My daughter who was working retail kept soaking up the customers energies (and let me tell you there are some damn miserable tourists out there LOL), so we tried the idea.She began wearing jewelry w/stones over that spot and noticed a huge huge difference in how she felt and what she brought along with her.

You could aslo use a little "medicine bag" (puuch filled with various stones) but I've found that sometimes a large stone seems to be more of a "shield".

(If you need crystals or stones, PM me. I live in a town with more metaphysical stores than some states LOL)

Also when you mentioned that old dresser in the boys room...I got hit mega with "chicken skin" as that same dear Apache grandmother used to call it. She is quite a character!


Again, my sense is if you approach the entity without fear and a sense of love for a poor lost soul and tell it (her?) firmly that it is time and she/he must go to the light, I've found in my experience that usually works....:)

:hug:DR

[Eloriel]

32. And PLEASE don't forget about protective flower essences

Walnut from Bach or Healing Herb
St. John's Wort from Flower Essence Services

There are many, many others, but these are usually widely available in many healthfood stores.

Usage: get a small dropper bottle, fill 3/4 full or so with pure water, add 3 - 5 drops from the stock bottle you've purchased of the flower essence, add a bit of brandy or vodka (to stabilize the energy and most of all, preserve it from microorganism growth). Shake vigorously for a bit, and shake before each use as well. Put a few drops on or under your tongue whenever you think of it or want to. Try for at least 4 times per day, but flower essences are totally benign, and you can't over dose, so they can be used every few minutes if you feel the need.

These two FEs provide psychic protection. They will help you if you normally feel "drained" after being with some people or out in public places; they will help keep you from absorbing others' anger or other emotions; they will keep you from being unduly influenced by discarnate entities; they will keep you from being influenced by mass consciousness, etc. They typically work by strengthening or even repairing your aura.

FEs can be used along with or insted of stones.

[Desertrose]

33. You can also put the essences in a spray bottle, right El?

And spray them in the area you are cleaning.....

Isn't there one for just that purpose...to help entities release & move on? If I get a chance today I'll take a look....

:hi:Hey Eloriel, have you tried the Perelandra Essences?? They are pretty sweet, too :)

:hug::loveya:
FR

[loudsue]

42. You bet, DR....Perelandra Essences are incredible!!

Machelle Small Wright has turned the "essence" business in circles. Nothing like having the Nature Spirits, themselves, as coaches.

:hug: I shoulda known you'd know about those! :hug:

:kick::kick::kick:

[LunaC]

34. A good protection

Also....something I've found useful that you might want to consider.....when you imprint the quartz for protection (one for the boy and the other for the girl, separately), imagine the child standing in a circle of mirrors with the reflective portion pointing outwards...imagine good energy filtering through to the inner chamber to reach the child while negative energy is reflected back to its origins.

After the imprint, a few hours in the sun will "seal the deal" and infuse it with literal light and warmth.

Please keep us posted on how it all works out

[FreedomAngel82]

40. Yes

I'm protected with a shield of white light. I and my guides put it around me. When I started it I just imagined a white light around me and the brighter the light the more protection you'll get.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. That would be a good idea!

I like that idea about the rocks. I used to love cyrstals and various rocks when I was a kid because they were neat and sometimes shiny. I would definitley do that and if the kids get attacked to the rocks they'll keep them with them all the time.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Tough situation

Maybe you can talk to the mother. Show her you're not making it up. Maybe sometime just ask her if she ever has felt anything weird in the room when the mother is a lone in it. It appears to me the spirit is VERY protective of this room. This is probably why the spirit is getting the little boy. Not because of the boy being a threat but because the room is this spirit's in it's mind. I think they used to live there a long time ago so maybe that's why the spirit is attacking him to get him to leave. But for whatever reason the spirit is very strong and protective of the room and won't leave without a fight. Someone should tell this spirit to leave and they don't belong there and are dead and should move on. I do get the sense they know they are dead and this is why they're using their abilities on the little boy. Poor child. If you can talk to his master guide try to see if they can put a shield around the boy to protect him from spiritual activity. But I would seriously have a talk with the mother and see if you can smudge or clear the air. Use your energy to push them away.

[MissWaverly]

45. look I have had a similar experience

Could be that you are more psychic than them and if you raise a fuss
you will lose your job, what to do, I had a priest come in and bless
the apartment I had at the time, he says that holy water and holy pictures put boundaries up against these entities. So I would get
holy pictures that the family could relate to, the child Jesus and
have them blessed and hung in the room, if this does not work, go in the room by yourself and say in the name of Christ I ask you to be gone and
whatever it is will leave, they hate being confronted.

[WhoseMarie]

47. Solutions? Can't think of any.

Unless people BELIEVE this, they'll probably not do a thing about it. Entities will attach themselves to rooms, furniture, and people. A bedroom should be a sanctuary and a place to rest...and as long as this energy is here, there will be no rest for the little guy.

However, to rid the house of the entity, you have to get permission of the person occupying the room and the person affected and that doesn't sound likely.

I can recommend someone to clear the space but you'd have to have the permission of the boy or owners or both.

That's a tough one!

[Matariki]

48. where did you get that idea?

i see all these posts about 'rules' and wonder where these supposed rules are coming from. sounds like stuff out of fluffy new age books really.

[MissWaverly]

49. no the rules were from a Catholic priest and quite frankly

I was scared to death, ghosts are not the warm and fuzzy creatures that
appear on Tv and I was in no position to argue. This entity opened the
back door and swung it closed with such violence that the frosted glass
shattered, believe me it was no laughing matter. The holy water and
the holy pictures helped; but I am Catholic so for someone that doesn't
believe in Catholic ideology, I can't say.

[WhoseMarie]

54. 'getting ideas?'

As a Reiki Master and connected person with a lot of intuitive talent, and especially, with a dear friend who is amazingly connected with energies from all sides, it's pretty clear. Crystal clear.

If you feel there's an entity, or an energy issue, you consult someone who 'knows what they're talking about'.

Where do you get your 'facts'???? How do you ascertain 'facts' in this type of field? This is strictly 'intuitive' and is a specialty of those who have special talents and connections.

If you aren't in tune with this, perhaps this is not your forum. If you find 'new age books' to be 'fluffy', why are you here?

We're trying to solve a real problem here and there are people truly interested in solving this problem.

[icymist]

50. Check out the history of this place.

Long before it was a house. Are you on some type of burial ground? This sounds bigger than any smugging will do. Let the boy sleep in another room for now. See if he improves. My suspicion is someone buried under his room.

[MissWaverly]

51. Nah, that's Hollywood stuff

In my case, it was a old lady who was a widow, and she became a hermit
after her husband died and finally she had to be placed in a mental institution where she died. She would not let go of her house though,
and hated us for living there. The bank sold the house cheap because
the woman was from a "good" family and that's how my landlord got it.

[WhoseMarie]

57. Other thoughts

It could be an 'attachment' or 'entity' issue. They can be attached to rooms , spaces or people and don't necessarily have to do with the history of the space, or the land underneath, either.

It can have to do with past life issues, with just some miscellaneous energy attaching itself to a willing recipient.

I strongly suggest that you try to get someone in the family to consent to a 'clearing' of the space. Again, I can recommend someone who can do it, if necessary. PM me if anyone is interested.

Since we're talking 'energy' here, it can be handled from anywhere.

[sojourner]

53. I haven't read to bottom of thread, but wanted to say I also agree with

posters here who "get" a departed spirit. Often these folks don't accept that they have passed, or art trying to "hang on" to life through their closeness to another. Little boy being affeccted adversely IMO just as you ascertain. Compassion is key in dealing with spirit. IF you use th blessings provided here I think that calling your own guides and other "helpers" to assist this "one" toward the light should be effective.

I'm going to send what I can to the space as well. Have been successful at helping spirits cross over when they had been "stuck" on this side (by their own choice usually but it's just as stuck).

Will check back here periodically to see what success you have had. Peace.