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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:37 AM
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I'm gonna try broccoli from seeds this fall
Got some "small miracle hybrid" seeds which can be planted eight inches apart and gets only about 14 inches tall. Still a little too early to plant down here.

Also looking forward to planting ornamental Kale and Cabbage mid to late September. Both plants are edible but we use them for a nice splash of color in the yard.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:36 AM
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1. I planted Dicicco open-pollinated broccoli seeds in early June
They sprouted at a decent rate. It seemed like it took forever for the seedlings to grow to any decent size. I am used to the growth rate of the hybrid broccoli starts I get from the local farmer. The largest head was about five inches across. I bought this variety because it produces a lot of side shoots for a long period, and that is what I am really after.

One of my books says that broccoli grows best from starts, not seeds. I do not know why. These plants developed much more slowly than the hybrid starts that I planted. I expect that I will directly sow these seeds again next year. Have fun!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 12:14 PM
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2. Having Fun
in the garden is my number one goal. I just like to poke along and try different things. And I certainly don't expend much energy on any of my poking around.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 01:08 PM
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3. We started broccoli seeds yesterday !
This is our first attempt at Fall crops.
We are also planning Snap Peas, Lettuce (several), Fall radishes, maybe cauliflower and cabbage.

We are also going to plant 10 - 20 Blueberry bushes this Fall (October).


Learning as we go.
Still having fun.

:hi:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 01:32 PM
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4. Fun is my ultimate objective
Best of luck to you. I'm gonna wait a week or so to plant the broccoli seeds. I should have planted blueberry's years ago, but there ya go. We had a 40 acre farm up in Washington County back in the 70's, my Dad had a green hand. He could just look at the garden and it would produce all season long.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:02 AM
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9. I'm growing snowpeas on tomato cages
Of the dud Mr. Stripey and other "fancy" one that didn't take.

I started them a big early but they're coming up nice....I figure if it gets really hot, I can just hang landscape fabric over the cages and mist them to get them through it!
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 01:35 PM
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5. I want to try broccoli.
I was told to start it in October where I'm at. (Zone 9 Ca.) Also, I hope to put in fava beans, lettuce and onions for the fall.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 01:37 PM
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6. I would suggest no later then the first of October
Cool evenings result in Brocolli success. My suggestion of early October was for plants, if you are starting from seed back that start date up about three weeks. I hope ya have a big ole crop of everything you plant.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:31 PM
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7. Got it, thanks.
I'm lucky, just found out that I have a great seed source less than 2 miles from my house. I'll be checking them out in a few days.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:56 PM
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10. Packman and Goliath are good hybrid varieties for side shoots
Calabrese and Dicicco are good "open pollinated" varieties.

Check out this evaluation that I read last spring. The url will not execute, so here is my whole archived article:

1985 BROCCOLI PROJECT RESULT SUMMARY

by Nancy Garrison, Horticultural Advisor, Santa Clara County
http://www.mastergardeners.org/picks/broccoli.html

We grew 18 different varieties of broccoli at the Santa Clara Deciduous Fruit Field Station last year. Our primary objective was to compare the varieties with regard to taste, size of heads and shoots, and quality and length of side shoot harvest. Our second objective was to compare three different planting dates, using the Di Cicco variety.
Our three planting dates for the Di Cicco variety were July 23, August 15 and September 5. The two earlier plantings did significantly better than the September planting in all respects. They each produced 4 times more broccoli than did the September planting. The plants from the September planting were no more than a foot high and had an average head size of 2 1/4". The later plantings of Di Cicco grew 3 feet tall and produced great quantities of broccoli (mostly from side shoots) for 3 months.
We planted the following varieties:
Calabrese, Di Cicco, Goliath, Green Comet, Green Duke, Green Mountain, Italian Green Sprouting, Morses 4638, Packman, Paragon, Premium Crop, Purple Sprouting, Romanesco, Royal Cruiser, Spartan Early, Waltham 29, White Grenoble, White Sprouting
The qualities we were looking for in a variety were:
1. Average head size between 4" and 6"
2. Firm, tight, overall attractive heads
3. At least a 2 month harvest length from the time the first head is cut to the time the last high quality side sprout was cut
4. Acceptable flavor -- surprisingly, there were hardly any noticeable differences in this characteristic
5. Pleasing color of heads and side shoots
6. Good production of high quality (large, tight, somewhat uniform) side shoots for a 2 month time period. This was the characteristic which had the greatest variation between varieties.
The following is a brief description of the varieties we grew.
Di Cicco and Italian Green Sprouting -- These two varieties are very similar, but the latter had average head sizes of nearly 4" whereas Di Cicco averaged a little over 2 1/2". Both yielded about 2 lbs. total per plant over the 3 month period in which they were harvested. They produced small heads and large quantities of fair quality side sprouts over a very long period of time (3 months or longer).
Goliath -- As the name suggests, this variety produced very large heads, which were quite uniform in size and maturity. Average head size was nearly 6" in diameter and 3 lbs. in weight. It also produced very large, high quality side shoots for 2 1/2 months, which averaged 2 1/2" in diameter and yielded an average of 2 lbs. of side shoots per plant.
Green Comet -- This variety produced very uniform, medium large high quality heads, which averaged 3/4 lbs. and 5 1/2" in diameter on compact plants. The plant produced large, high quality sprouts for almost 2 months, after which time they continued to produce, but were of much poorer quality.
Green Duke -- Medium sized plants produced most of their heads within a 2 week period. Average head size was 5 1/2" in diameter and nearly 1 lb. in weight. There was a lot of variability in head size though, ranging from 4"-8" in diameter. It produced good quality, medium sized side shoots for 3 months. Each plant averaged a total weight of nearly 2 1/2 lbs., with 1 1/2 lbs. side shoots.
Green Mountain -- Performed very poorly--not worth describing.
Packman -- This variety was comparable to Goliath in all respects, except average head weight was just under 2 3/4 lbs. Average head size was a little over 5 3/4". It produced a hearty crop of large, high quality side shoots for 2 1/3 months.
Paragon -- Most of the heads of this variety matured in just one week (not a particularly good characteristic for a home garden variety). Average head size was almost 5" in diameter, but variable, ranging from 3 1/4"-7". Plants were medium sized and produced a pretty good crop of large side shoots.
Premium Crop -- Tall, upright plants produced variable sized heads, with the majority maturing within a week of each other. They ranged in size from 3 1/2"-7', averaging 5" and 3/4 lbs. The heads grew very low in the center of the plant (recessed). We harvested an average of 13 side shoots per plant over a 2 month period, which averaged 3/4 lb. per plant for a total of 1 1/2 lbs. of broccoli per plant.
Purple Sprouting -- We liked what we had growing under this, but there was negligible purple coloration, which makes me wonder whether the variety was actually Purple Sprouting.
Romanesco -- The first heads were produced nearly 2 months after most of the other varieties bore. They were unique in color and form, being a beautiful, moss lime green color with a sculpted form. There was extreme variability in head size, ranging from 5"-11 1/2", averaging 8 1/2" and 3 1/4 lbs. Some heads were beautiful and some were almost grotesque. This variety does not develop any side shoots, but develops one very dense head, similar to a cauliflower.
Spartan Early -- This variety didn't perform well for us. It was off colored and of poor texture and form. The heads were variable in size, ranging from 2"-6" in diameter, averaging 3 1/2 lb. and almost 1/3 lb. The plant was very short and compact.
White Sprouting, White Grenoble and Royal Cruiser -- These 3 varieties performed similarly, in that all of them produced very small, negligible heads 2 months after the others. The heads were more like side sprouts rather than heads.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:00 AM
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8. Me too!! One thing that really works for me in the fall is
the "bright lights" Swiss Chard. Beautiful plant with incredible colors, and yummy just sauteed in a bit of garlic!

Spinach also does well for me in the fall.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:55 PM
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11. bosshog
when do you expect to harvest your broccoli?



Cher
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:50 AM
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12. I'm hoping for Halloween
but it may be a little later. Our evening temps haven't yet dropped below 73 so I'm gonna wait at least another week before I plant the seeds. Our falls are rather mild (great for broccoli.) I plant the seeds in peat cups and baby them until time to plant. I don't know how many seeds I have but if I have alot I know I'll end up putting some in pots. Ornamental cabbage is also very popular down here in the fall, very colorful plant and edible too.

I hope ya have a bountiful fall harvest.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 03:39 AM
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13. What zone are you in?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 07:48 AM
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14. We are at the lower end of 8A
per the National Gardening Assn. We are 55 miles north, northeast of New Orleans. And it is strange at how much difference there is in that short of a distance. The tropicals in NOLA start earlier and last longer then ours and are seemingly much hardier.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 01:42 AM
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18. I am supposed to be in 8, but I have been planting as if I were in 9.
It is working out well for us. Garden, except for the peppers, is pretty well over in June.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:19 AM
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19. Yeah our second planting of tomatoes
is struggling quite a bit but the Okra and peppers are doing fine. We've had an enigma this year, "Sprite" Grape tomatoes, I do believe they have weed in their DNA because they have been producing since Mid June with no end in sight. Fay might put an end to my summer garden for good about this time tomorrow (Sunday.)
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 01:39 PM
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20. I forgot the Okra. I pick it every day. Yummy. Last year, we planted
all our kohls at the end of october. I had califlower almost a big as dinner plates...no bugs. The potatoes went in Valentine's Day. The tomatoes and beans at the same time.

This year, the onions, leeks and garlic will be planted in Oct. also. And I am going to divide and replant my horseradish.

I grew up here. We could never plant this early, but now we have maybe 3-4 really cold nights. We have that black cloth you are supposed to use to stop weed and cover the plants with that. They never even wilt.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:51 AM
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15. I picked up broccoli seeds yesterday.
Wondering if I should start them inside and then transplant, or just put the seeds right in the ground come September.

The good news, I just found out there's a small, locally owned and operated seed store about 5 minutes from my house by car. They have everything in seeds and even more important, there's a guy behind the counter ready willing and able to answer questions, or just talk gardening. Anyway, I also picked up some zucchini seeds and put them right in the ground in one of my open boxes. I'm lucky enough to live in a place with a really long growing season, and I've probably got another 60 or 70 days of mostly warm weather.

I'm really looking forward to a fall/winter garden now.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 03:26 PM
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16. I start mine in peat pots that can be planted in the ground
after the plant gets to a certain height. And I do that because I'm an old kid who likes things to play with. Although I like to have them protected from weather, we have had some heavy rains of late and I'd rather the seeds not wash away.

I hope you have a bountiful fall harvest.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 04:51 PM
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17. I did that a couple of years ago and the wild turkeys enjoyed
my efforts. Every time you looked, the local flock of turkeys was headed for the broccoli. I finally gave up and let them have it.
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