The antivaxers are in an uproar over that judge's stupid ruling

[Warpy]

Anybody else feel like playing? I'm tired.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=250x3297

[TZ]

1. I've already tried

Stupid fucks. Yes it must be thimerosol even though it was removed years before that child has a vaccine.
Plus the government settles cases all the time about vaccine related injuries. And its a DAMN MITOCHONDRIA defect. Like the kid was going to go their whole life with that serious of a defect and not get sick.

[Orrex]

2. Likewise. It was futile (as we all knew it would be)

Shouting at the tide, as usual.

At least I know that the judiciary is actively at work protecting my mitochondria. Or midichlorians. Or whatever.

Heck, as long as the documents are nominally sealed, who knows what of mine they're protecting?!?

[Warpy]

4. Well, I tried.

I just put the info out there and ignore the thread.

I'm betting it will go to at least 60 "me toos" before it dies.

[TZ]

5. speaking of which..my fucking local faux news

Just ran a decidedly onesided story about this. Its teh vaccines! Caused teh autism. Now all the autistic children can be helped.
NOT ONE SCIENTIST interviewed. Just the parents screeching about the evil vaccines.:nuke:

[Warpy]

7. Yep, and what's sad is that PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE IT!!!

Which is why I answered the way I did. They must love to wallow in guilt over what they've done to their precious children by giving them those eeevul vaccines.

I think I'd be pretty fucking relieved if somebody told me it was a birth defect and not my fault.

Oh well, the guilt will keep the church pews full and the preacher in a new Lexus every year.

[dropkickpa]

10. Oh they are guilty

But it because of their faulty genes, not anything else. Much easier to deal with when they can place the majority of the blame onto someone else.

For some reason, the idea that they are some how faulty, or that their precious bean was born defective in some way, is much harder for them to take.

I agree with you, I'd feel much more relieved if it WERE something I had no control over.

[Book Lover]

15. Speaking from experience

the guilt is there no matter what. Even knowing that my child's autism is very likely due to his genetic makeup, I feel guilty. After all, those are my genes in there, right?

I'm not saying it is rational - just the opposite. At least I know it's a irrational thing and I deal with it that way.

[lightningandsnow]

19. You know what's dumb about that?

Autism is a developmental disorder.

Mitochondrial disease is a disease, and a pretty painful, nasty one at that. A lot of the people with it don't make it to adulthood.

http://www.umdf.org

and yet, autism is portrayed to be the horrible thing here.

It's a sad, sad day when being neurologically different is considered worse than having a terminal illness.

[Dr. Strange]

3. Doesn't matter...

I don't need vaccines. I take that Airbourne stuff that cures colds and keeps away Tigers. It also taught me to play the piano.

[varkam]

6. I'm pretty burned out from taking part in the health lounge.

For want of making ignorance painful...

[trotsky]

8. I'm not quite worn out.

Though I'm getting there. It had all the hallmarks of woo porn. "Secret" government admission. Written up (and creatively exaggerated, of course) by one of their huckst... I mean heroes. At last, PROOF that vaccines caused autism! Except that it wasn't autism. Or proof. And that a debilitating GENETIC defect was the root cause. But if you put all those aside, and CALL it autism, and mention vaccines, well that's all the proof they need.

[TZ]

17. That right there is my pet theory on why some people

have more severe reactions to vaccines than others. They have some underlying genetic defect that stimulating the immune system brings out. To me, these people are going to get sick eventually but the vaccine simply hastens the process. Much the way my older sister only started developing her Lupus after starting on birth control pills. It was probably going to happen no matter what, but the pill was the trigger.

[cosmik debris]

9. To me it has been reduced to a moral dilemma.

Do I have the obligation to set these Neanderthals straight, or is it morally OK to leave them to wallow in their abject ignorance and spread it to innocent dumb asses like themselves?

Although I hate to sound like a "social Darwinist", I can't help but see this as natures way of saying "You are too stupid to know that you should run when the tiger attacks."

So what obligation do we have to preserve diversity in our gene pool when that very diversity is an anchor on our own evolution?

(And yes, I'm burned out too.)

[chicagomd]

11. Herd immunity.

Chlorine in the gene pool may have some merit but in this case we are all at risk. I often tell my wife that as physicians we are actually curbing the evolutionary process. Those who for the past hundreds of thousands of years have died and not been able to pass along gene defects now do so with impunity. Oh, well. You take the good with the bad sometimes.

I am officially done with the Health lounge, however. I have to have this argument with parents on a routine basis and am tired of repeating myself on-line to people who could give a flying fuck about the facts and only seem to care about an agenda.

I read that case, and that kid most likely had a post-vaccine encephalopathy. How the hell her neurologist father missed that I have no idea.

[TZ]

12. I have one idea

blinded by money and the irrationality of the wife.

[Warpy]

13. One thread a couple of months ago

had a reply from someone who said the antivaxers had her delay vaccinating her kids until she read on the Health Lounge board what the effects of those usual childhood diseases were. She then had her kid vaccinated.

Throwing cold water on the shrieking nutcases did have an effect in that thread. I think it might be having more of an effect than we know.

The facts have to be pointed out when the howler monkeys start up with their cant. There are too many people out there who are too young to have experienced epidemics and don't know how devastating they were to some kids....and adults.

[semillama]

14. well, on a lighter note:

http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/adults_eschew_simple_immunizations

[cosmik debris]

16. "I don't mind having the flu every now and then,

so I can give it to people I hate at work."

somehow, that makes it all worthwhile. :)

[lizerdbits]

20. "I'm going for the good stuff

like monkey pox and Japanese encephalitis, not your everyday garbage diseases." :rofl: I recommend VEE and tularemia as well. JEV isn't one of my requirements for work. Where's my autism? VEE and tuli are technically INDs (investigative new drugs) and I seem to be fine, along with the 3 times I've had Dryvax (vaccinia for smallpox). Hooray for my genes I guess, after all my dad was one of the lucky ones who survived measles and rubella without permanent damage.

Giving influenza to people you hate at work is a great idea. I could shut up the chronic whiner/gossip queen in the cube around the corner from me for a couple days.

ETA: My work physical had my titers to M,M,R, Hep A and B checked and I'm good. I did get a DTaP a few months ago since it had been over 10 years. Shoulder muscle hurt for a week with a pretty green bruise but I didn't get autism. I'm glad the kids are getting the hepatitis shots now, they weren't available when I was little and I didn't get them until my first job after college working with monkey fluids. My mom had Hep A as a teenager and it was awful, lasted for months. She can't donate blood now which is a shame because her hematocrit gets so high she has to have the same amount removed but due to Red Cross rules it can't be used for donation, it's just discarded.

[WoodrowFan]

18. on a related note

on a related note, I noticed one of the worst anti "Big Pharma" panic-mongers recently posted a piece on HAARP from PrisonPlanet which was locked by a dutiful mod. I think that says all you need to know about their ability to judge evidence and sources...