Gardasil contians antimatter and bongwater

[Orrex]

Be afraid! Be very very very afraid!

[beam me up scottie]

1. Did the cloaking device hide the mercury as planned?

We can't be too careful now that they know about the chemtrails.

[cosmik debris]

2. You don't need to warn me

I heard that it also contains atoms. And we know what happens when atoms disintegrate, they give off RADIATION!

I'm trying to cut the atoms out of my diet and I don't buy any clothing or furniture that contains atoms.

And I haven't had the flu in almost 7 years, so I know I'm doing the right thing!

[trotsky]

3. EVERY VACCINE EVER MADE CONTAINS...

not only an EXPLOSIVE METAL but also a NOXIOUS GAS that was used as a chemical weapon in WWI! How can you inject your CHILDREN with such deadly substances?

I liked cosmik's comment on the other thread, how if a kilogram will kill ya, an atom will too. That's the "reasoning" we are up against here.

[PVnRT]

4. Uh oh. Better not tell them about where I work

Although, with VX, the permissable population limit is so low that it's almost on the order of dozens of molecules per unit volume.

[cosmik debris]

5. Yeah but...

Orrex's follow up was funnier.

[HamdenRice]

6. What does this mean?

No one in the health forum actually wrote that Gardasil contains antimatter and bong water, so what's the point of ridiculing a post that no one wrote?

[conscious evolution]

7. I think it is called

intelligent discourse.
But I could be wrong.
Let me go check my crystal ball.

edit to add: Yes.I am wrong.

[TZ]

8. 2 tags in one thread!

Yahoo! I knew it was a matter of time before the "teachers" arrived to save us poor mean skeptics!

[kimmerspixelated]

9. Because somehow going over the top with ridicule

makes them feel like they are worthy, I guess. Really, it's sad. It's certainly not a laughing matter to all the girls that have been killed or injured by the vaccine. Not funny at all.

How about using the ridicule urge to make fun of GW or the rethugs!

[Orrex]

11. No reason that I can't do both

Obviously, I'm not ridiculing those who have verifiably suffered injury as a result of the Gardisil vaccination. Instead, I am outright mocking that Healthscare Lounge mindset which invariably races to condemn western (i.e., actual medicine) every time someone somewhere suffers a complication. Certainly it's tragic when people suffer injury as a result of good faith efforts based in sound science. It is a much greater tragedy when people are the victims of parasitic charlatans who market their bullshit pseudoscience; when these victims echew actual medicine in favor of a rose-colored promise by a charismatic huckster, none of the anti-vax crowd utters a peep about it. Why not, I wonder?

It would seem clear to me that, by engaging a bit of obviously over-the-top hyperbole, I am directing my ridicule at a mindset rather than at a specific post or poster. Perhaps some find this unclear, for some reason.


And I've got plenty of ridicule left over for W and the GOP--don't you worry about that.

[trotsky]

12. What's a laughing matter is when someone understands so little about the VAERS database...

that they think an entry in there proves harm by a vaccine.

[TZ]

13. The stats on injuries from vaccines

Are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY OUT OF PROPORTION on this board. Gardasil is a safe as any vaccine, which btw, is pretty safe.
BTW..You are statistically more likely to get hurt by your car or in your bathtub than by a vaccine.
This is what skeptics object mightily to. The outrageous fear mongering..which you have done your fair share of.
You think I'm mean to you? Well I'll stop being mean, when youstop posting dishonest fear mongering crap that you pick up from the internet!
You show on a regular basis your ignorance of basic scientific principles, chemistry, biology, physics that most of us learned in high school.
And by the way, I find it very interesting the group behavior I am seeing by the SAME group of non-skeptics who think it is their duty to come in a PROTECTED GROUP and LECTURE US ON STUFF YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT.

Your lack of knowledge of you and your compadres reflects poorly on the American Educational System. I find it interesting the amount of international skeptics in this group..but I hardly find any non-American woos.

On edit: we mock the woos for the same reason we mock GWB and friends..because they post outrageously dishonest and inaccurate "facts" to sway people into their point of view, while mocking those with actual professional knowledge as "biased" or just "wrong". Does that sound familiar? Face it..The anti-western med woos in health forum are as anti-science as BushCo and use similar fear tactics.
Oh and btw...If there is ANY group of people that loathes GWB and friends more than scientists, I have yet to meet them. Even the goverment scientists--Mocking republicans was a favorite topic at lab meetings at NIH.

[Orrex]

18. Excellent post!

Wish I could recommend it, and all that.

:woohoo:

[trotsky]

10. Well how about that.

No one in THIS forum actually wrote something that would match this description "treatments that have been clinically demonstrated to be effective that do not involve pharmaceuticals -- such as diet, exercise and stress reduction -- are denounced here as 'woo woo' or with other derogatory insults" either - but that didn't stop YOU from making the claim.

So tell me, HR, how long have you been holding others to different standards than you hold yourself?

[HamdenRice]

25. Actually they did make that claim in the health forum

So your attempted point is completely wrong.

[trotsky]

32. Oh, so you finally have a link?

May I see it?

[varkam]

39. Don't hold your breath. eom

[HamdenRice]

62. Yup, but ...

It's more fun using the socratic teaching method to get the student to come up with the right answer on his own.

So, I must ask, do you now understand and have the link? Or do I need to slowly lead you through more socratic dialogue?

[PVnRT]

63. I take it you don't have the link, then

Since all you've done is tap-dance ever since trotsky asked for it the first time.

[Orrex]

64. Whoa! HamdenRice is the missing link! Take that, Creationists!

I have to confess that I had my suspicions all along...

[beam me up scottie]

65. Quick! Somebody alert the Bigfoot Experts!

They wanna talk to him.

[TZ]

66. ZING!

Best comeback yet!:rofl: :patriot:

[cosmik debris]

67. It's not a tap dance

It is an alpha male dominance display.

He desperately longs to be in charge.

[PVnRT]

14. It's called a "sense of humor"

[HamdenRice]

26. Isn't a "sense of humor" ...

supposed to be funny though?

[TZ]

28. It is funny

Most of us aren't humor impaired though.

[cosmik debris]

35. I think he feels left out

Even after it was explained as a joke, he still didn't get it.

[dropkickpa]

45. *snort*

I can just picture it.

"What? What's so funny? I don't see why that's funny, I don't get it. Yer a meanie!"

[beam me up scottie]

47. Makes you wonder if teh dumb is really an act...

:D

[dropkickpa]

48. Part of me hopes so

But then it would mean people are even bigger tools than I previously thought!

[beam me up scottie]

51. Look who half of us voted for in the last two presidential elections...

Never underestimate the ... well you know the rest.

[mr blur]

50. Sadly, I don't think it is. Nor is being offensive.

[beam me up scottie]

52. Does it complain about how it's treated in here?

I hope so.

[TZ]

53. of course.

We are on big mean and rude clique who doesn't hold with outsiders....:eyes:

Which is why it ventures here..to make sure we are having "meaningful discussions" cause you know, without him, thats not possible.

[beam me up scottie]

54. We had bug problems in here way back when I came on board.

I was heckled by the pet troll right after my first post.

[salvorhardin]

56. Oh yeah

I remember him (vaguely). Can't recall the name though.

[beam me up scottie]

58. I'm afraid of summoning it.

:evilgrin:

[MJW]

15. mmmmmmm !

antimatter and bong water

[beam me up scottie]

16. Welcome to DU!

And welcome to the Skepti-Nazi Clubhouse! :hi:

[MJW]

19. It is just me

A Jitterbug by another name is still a Jitterbug

[beam me up scottie]

22. Ah, I didn't recognize you.

Glad you're still with us, though.

[Orrex]

17. Welcome! If you send me your address...

I'll make sure that you get the same weekly stipend from the AMA and Big Pharma that the rest of us well-compensated shills receive. It's a sweet deal, and all we have to do in exchange is keep a lid on the ancient truth about alternative medicine known to ancient healer since ancient times. It's all ancient, you see.

[MJW]

20. Hi Orrex , It's just me--Jitterbug

My computer had the virus from hell and when I finally got it back I couldn't sign in as Jitterbug , so I just used my initials MJW

[Orrex]

21. Good thing you told me

I'd have for you to get double your weekly stipend.

And if you'd been vaccinated like a good little shill, that virus wouldn't have given you any trouble. :evilgrin:

[MJW]

41. I would get the vaccination but--

anti matter gives me gas:evilgrin:

[moggie]

29. Sorry, I don't understand that

DU keeps track of who you are via a browser cookie. If your PC is wiped, you'll lose this cookie, so you won't be logged in next time you visit DU. So you go to the login page and enter your username and password. If you've forgotten your password, there's a link which will get DU to mail you your password. You should never need to throw away your identity and start from scratch - unless, I suppose, you no longer have access to the email account you used with your old username!

[MJW]

40. believe me , I tried all of that stuff

I guess someone ate my cookie:hi:

[dropkickpa]

46. The same thing happened to me

unfortunately, the email I'd signed up with was no longer in existance, so, no password for me! That's why I re-signed up as DropkickPA, used to be Dropkick.

[conscious evolution]

37. LOL!

Ever hear of a thing called vaccines?
I hear Norton,AWG, and MacAfee....

On second thought,it may be better not to go there.
Thanks for the laugh,though.

[MJW]

43. yeah

we get information slowly out here in the boondocks. Thanks for not going there

[conscious evolution]

49. Sorry.I thought you

would have caught the irony in posting about a computer virus in the middle of a flame war about a vaccination for a virus.
I would have had a good chuckle over that no matter which side of the debate you are on.
Thanks for the moment of levity.

[Lisa0825]

23. Help!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3786865&mesg_id=3787024

[beam me up scottie]

31. Thanks for the head's up.

I alerted on that one, might as well add it to the others in the Health forum before it infects GD.

Great, I see it's still stinking up the place...

[TZ]

33. I pointed out for the gazillionth time

That the vaccine was invented in Australia...And that they have a great vaccination program going..Of course we all know that Bush rules Australia too..

What really gets me is how excited scientists were when this vaccine was first announced because of the breakthrough concept at the time of vaccinating to prevent cancer. And then to have the fundie woos (both religious and the left wingers) scream bloody murder just proves how far behind the rest of the world we are in scientific literacy. Sometimes I think people in this country have never heard of the enlightenment...

[beam me up scottie]

34. People who expect to have zero risk for any vaccination are so divorced from reality

they can convince themselves of anything.

Like vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they prevent...

[Evoman]

24. Man, am I ever glad we found Polio and Small pox vaccines before people became complete

retards about vaccines.

[LeftishBrit]

27. There's always been nuttery on the subject

An 18th century English clergyman, Edward Massey, preached that vaccination is a sin because smallpox and other diseases are sent by God to punish us!

There were Anti-Vaccination Societies in various places in the 19th century.

Of course, it may have been harder to spread the insanity before the Internet! Also, at a time when most people knew someone who'd died or been left permanently disabled by polio or smallpox, it was harder to dismiss the diseases - though it obviously still happened.

[TZ]

30. Now you know why I worry about something like birdflu

Where a mandatory rapid large scale vaccination program is needed.
Sometimes I wonder if ergot poisoning still exists on a large scale....

[trotsky]

36. Funny think you mention that.

I think developing those vaccines LED to there being anti-vax loonies. A couple of generations removed from the death and suffering of diseases, and all of a sudden a 1-in-a-million vaccine reaction is "proof" of how deadly they are, and how we'd be better off fighting off the real disease.

Total and complete ignorance coupled with a self-righteous crusade mentality. Not that different from the religious fundies, when you think about it.

[TZ]

38. Exactly!

I wish they could see what small pox does..THEN they'd change their tune quick enough..I get the willies just looking at the pictures in the textbooks...

[trotsky]

42. Oh but you see, sue...

Just pop a couple of Tylenol, remain in quarantine for a few weeks (let's not even begin to understand how that would be enforced to prevent massive outbreaks), and you'll be FINE. And if you die, well, I guess you just weren't fit enough for survival. Better that we're rid of your genes. :sarcasm:

[onager]

44. And just today I was reading about the wonderful pre-Shill days...

Maybe we need another Big Event like that one I was reading about just this very day. Wow! Synchronicity and stuff!

I'm currently reading a history of Venice and the Venetian Republic. Today I worked my way up to 1348, when a merchant ship from the Black Sea trade route docked in Venice transporting--in the author's neat term--"history's most famous quadrapeds."

i.e., the rats who carried the Black Plague.

In a few months Venice had lost fifty of its highest-ranking families of the nobility. That is, the WHOLE FAMN DAMILIES were wiped out totally. No survivors.

Most doctors either fled the city or died along with their patients.

But I had to admire the style of one doctor who stayed on duty through the whole time of the plague. When he retired, the city gave him a lifetime pension in gratitude.

And somebody finally asked him why he HAD stayed for the whole run of the Black Plague, anyway.

He said: "Because I would rather die in Venice than live anywhere else."

[LeftishBrit]

55. He was a hero

As regards somewhat more recent pre-shill days, I was just pointing out elsewhere that before Big Pharma and its evil medicines, people usually had far *more* dangerous medical treatments than now: e.g. bleeding; emetics and laxatives for everything; etc. And if you don't like tiny amounts of mercury in vaccines - mercury was actually given as a medicine until relatively recently!

[Orrex]

59. Feh. That was before mercury was toxic, you fool.

Back then, it was a wonderful panacea. People used to drink big mugs full of it, toasting their fine health and scientific wisdom. Not like today, when we just cash our checks from Big Pharma and crank out the propaganda.

[onager]

61. Thank you! Bleeding helped kill George Washington...

You mentioned "dangerous medical treatments," and the treatments poor Washington suffered seem like a good example. This is back in those good old days of good old-fashioned NATURAL medicine we hear so much about on DU.

Sorry for the length, but I thought it more instructive to leave in all the tortures...er, treatments.

And all THIS, for what started as a sore throat and a bad cold...

On December 12, 1799, President George Washington, still physically robust at 68 years of age, rode his horse in heavy snowfall to inspect his plantation at Mount Vernon..

The following day, the General complained of a sore throat...When (his personal secretary) Colonel Lear suggested that he take medication, he protested: "You know I never take anything for a cold. Let it go as it came."

In the early morning of Saturday, December 14, 1799, between 2:00 and 3:00, the General suddenly awoke in distress and informed his wife that he felt unwell. He could hardly speak and breathed with great difficulty...

...Mr Albin Rawlins, the estate overseer, prepared a medicinal mixture of molasses, vinegar, and butter. When the General tried to swallow the concoction, he went into an episode of convulsive suffocation.

He then decided that bloodletting would be a better course and ordered Mr Rawlins to perform venesection on his arm to remove half a pint of blood. General Washington was a strong believer in bloodletting...

When Mr Rawlins showed agitation while performing the procedure, he provided gentle encouragement.

"Don't be afraid. The orifice is not large enough. More, more."

When the procedure was completed, a piece of flannel dipped in Salve Latola was wrapped around his neck, and his feet were bathed in warm water...

Messengers were dispatched by horseback to the home of Dr James Craik, his friend and personal physician, as well as to the residences of Dr Gustavus Richard Brown at Port Tobacco, Maryland and of Dr Elisha Cullen Dick, a prominent physician residing in Alexandria, Virginia.

Finding the condition of the President alarming, Dr James Craik placed a blister of cantharides (a preparation of dried beetles) on his throat and performed two venesections of 20 ounces each.

To treat the severe sore throat and dysphagia, a solution of vinegar in hot water was prepared. However, attempts to gargle with this solution led again to near suffocation, followed by a severe coughing spell.

Venesection was repeated with removal of 40 ounces of blood. Application of blister of cantharides to the General's throat was followed by spontaneous bowel evacuation.

Dr Dick arrived at 3:00 pm and proceeded to remove 32 ounces of blood from the General's forearm. Dr Brown arrived shortly thereafter and took the General's pulse. The three physicians decided to administer calomel and tartar rectally...

The three physicians remained with General Washington well into the night. At 8:00, they applied blisters and cataplasms (poultices) of wheat bran to his legs.

Dr Dick proposed that the President's worsening respiratory condition made it imperative that his trachea be perforated. This newly described procedure, attempted as a last therapeutic resort, had been reported to save the lives of patients in extremis...

Sensing the inevitability of death, the General gave his last instruction to Colonel Lear.

"I am just going. Have me decently buried and do not let my body be put into the vault less than three days after I am dead.

"Do you understand me? 'Tis well."

According to the account of Colonel Lear, the General's breathing became less labored by about 10:00 at night and he was able to lie quietly. At exactly 10:10 pm, he lifted his hands to check his own pulse, then expired peacefully.

http://xnet.kp.org/permanentejournal/spring04/time.html

Usual Annoying Superfluous Note: our American Fundies claim Washington's last words were "Bring me the book," meaning the Buy-bull. As this account shows, he did no such thing. And fortunately for us Reality-Based People, Washington died in the presence of 3 doctors, his wife and his personal secretary, none of whom mentioned anything about a "book."

Interesting that Washington, life-long farmer and soldier, was a practical fellow literally to his dying breath. He wanted his body left out of the vault for 3 days to make sure he was dead, since premature burial was not uncommon in the 18th century.

[TZ]

57. Well Orrex I have to hand it to you

You seem to have the magic touch right now..Sure aren't having any trouble getting responses to your posts eh? Here, GD or in the Lounge..And people think I'm a troublemaker...;-)

[Orrex]

60. My astrologer told me that it would be like this

And right after I win the respect and admiration of all of DU, I'm going to hit the lottery.