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DavidMS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 04:19 PM
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Woo related to central banking.
I have a friend who sent me a quote about central banking purportedly from Tomas Jefferson.

Can anyone confirm if its from Jefferson's Pen?

"The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered."

I suspect it is not. On Wikiquote, he comes out against the a National Bank in 1791, but there is no indication that I can find of this being a sourced quote.

Thanks.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 05:00 PM
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1. It's credited to him in quite a few places
I did a Google search on the string "most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution" and got a lot of results, including pages in books reproduced at books.google.com.

That's not proof. They could all be quoting the same incorrect source. But it makes me think it's kosher.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 05:06 PM
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2. The Jefferson Cyclopedia published in 1900 attributes it to Jefferson
Edited on Mon Feb-16-09 05:10 PM by salvorhardin
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DavidMS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 06:07 PM
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3. Thank you!
So Jefferson was opposed to Central Banking.

Still doesn't make having a central bank a bad policy.

Thank you.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 07:25 PM
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4. I don't think he was opposed
to Central banking in and of itself.
I think he was more against privately owned/controlled Central Banks such as the Federal Reserve Bank.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:01 PM
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5. I remember looking this up one time.
One big giveaway is the use of the words "inflation" and "deflation" which evidently weren't used to describe the economy until the 1930s. Makes it kind of tough for Jefferson to have used them. :)
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:21 PM
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6. Doh! I didn't even notice that sentence
Edited on Mon Feb-16-09 11:36 PM by salvorhardin
So it's one of those things where they take part of a quote and then graft onto it. Thanks for catching that. I was only looking at the first sentence. Here's the letter from The Life of Thomas Jefferson:

In a letter to Mr Gallatin of December 13th the President advised him that he should consider it inexpedient for the former to give any opinion in reply to a question from the president of the United States Bank whether it would be proper to change the manner of electing the officers of the branch institutions and this on the ground that the Government ought not by volunteering its sanction to disarm itself of any fair right of animadversion whenever that institution should be a legitimate subject of consideration What follows shows that his hostility to the Bank was quite as decided as on the first presentation of the question during General Washington's Administration that indeed it had rather gained than lost in intensity He wrote:

From a passage in the letter of the President I observe an idea of establishing a branch bank of the United States in New Orleans This institution is one of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution The nation is at this time so strong and united in its sentiments that it cannot be shaken at this moment But suppose a series of untoward events should occur sufficient to bring into doubt the competency of a republican government to meet a crisis of great danger or to unhinge the confidence of the people in the public functionaries an institution like this penetrating by its branches every part of the Union acting by command and in phalanx may in a critical moment upset the government I deem no government safe which is under the vassalage of any self constituted authorities or any other authority than that of the nation or its regular functionaries What an obstruction could not this bank of the United States with all its branch banks be in time of war It might dictate to us the peace we should accept or withdraw its aids Ought we then to give further growth to an institution so powerful so hostile That it is so hostile we know 1 from a knowledge of the principles of the persons composing the body of directors in every bank principal or branch and those of most of the stockholders 2 from their opposition to the measures and principles of the Government and to the election of those friendly to them and 3 from the sentiments of the newspapers they S ipport Now while we are strong it is the greatest duty we owe to the safety of our Constitution to bring this powerful enemy to a perfect subordination under its authorities The first measure would be to reduce them to an equal footing only with other banks as to the favors of the Government But in order to be able to meet a general combination of the banks against us in a critical emergency could we not make a beginning towards an independent use of our own money towards holding our own bank in all the deposits where it is received and letting the treasurer give his draft or note for payment at any particular place which in a well conducted government ought to have as much credit as any private draft or bank note or bill and would give us the same facilities which we derive from the banks I pray you to turn this subject in your mind and to give it the benefit of your knowledge of details whereas I have only very general views of the subject. Affectionate salutations.


(for some reason, Google Books won't copy punctuation marks)
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