"She has come into this body as an Ascended Master."

[bluedawg12]

http://www.psychicchildren.co.uk/1-6-GrandmaChandra.html

Grandmother Chandra is a 19-year-old multiply handicapped and mute psychic young woman from America. She was recognised as a great master back in 1998 on the day after the Autumn Equinox. Chief Standing Elk of the Lakota Sioux tribe got a knock on his door that changed his life forever. Here it is in his own words:

There was a beautiful lady standing outside the door, and she said hello, my name is Cat and then she asked me, "Do you know someone by the name of Standing Elk?" I said, "Yes, I'm Standing Elk".

Then she said, "My daughter wants to know who this Standing Elk is, because he kept her up all night playing his flute, singing and making her dance. She came to find out who he is." I asked her, "Is she with you?"

She said "yes."

I asked her to bring her in. In a few minutes she entered the house with this beautiful young woman. She carried her into the living room placed her gently on the couch. There she sat, so innocent and beautiful and she began "looking around" and feeling the spirit and atmosphere of the energy around her. She said (via telepathy), "I want to talk to Standing Elk!"

I immediately said, "I know you! You are my grandmother!" She said "Yes, Yes, Yes!"
She said, "I want to know about the Universal and Spiritual Laws of Creator". I told her, "You already know them". She said "Yes, Yes, Yes!"

Then she asked me, "Why am I like this? I cannot do anything with my body, but my mind is perfect! Why? What is my purpose here?"

I told her, "You are to teach the Universal and Spiritual Laws of Creator. The reason you are the way you are is because of the effect you will have on mankind...

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http://www.grandmachandra.com/

“She has come into this body as an Ascended Master. There are three guides connected to the fiber of her soul. They hold the intention for her to be incarnated in this manner along with them. Their energy reads to me as a mixture of angelic and ET.

She has complete access to the Akashic Records throughout the multi-dimensions as well as time and space, and I suspect she can see events in the past or future (within any time reference) as if she were physically there watching it; because she is.

She has created tools to help humanity toward Ascension in the form of essential oils whose vibrational rates are in the thousands as well as CD's & DVD's and the GRANDMA CHANDRA ATTUNEMENT CHAMBER an omni-dimensional manifestation chamber. All of her products are at the store.”

[trotsky]

1. "All of her products are at the store."

Funny how these enlightened folks always have to charge for stuff. Fuck it's easy to rip off the stupid and gullible.

[bluedawg12]

2. from what I gather, this individual is so disabled, she cannot speak for herself.

The story begins with telepathic communication.

That's troubling in that, it leaves question about her agreement and consent to any promotional activity.

[trotsky]

4. Exploitation, plain and simple.

But the TWUE BELIEVERS will never see that. Which of course is what makes them such easy marks.

[bluedawg12]

6. Yeah, the "we conversed with ESP" part was troubling.

But, it does seem she is well cared for. I guess that's the part that matters most.

[uppityperson]

3. BS on "Lakota Sioux tribe".

"Sioux" was the wasicu/white man's term for the Oceti Sakowin(seven council fires) Nation.

Subdivisions/ethnic groups are Lakota, Nakota, and Dakota. There are language differences and other cultural differences.

Each of these is further divided into tribes or bands.

Dakota: Mdewakanton, Wahpetowan (Wahpeton), Wahpekute, Sissetowan (Sisseton)
Nakota: Yankton: Ihantowan , Ihanktowana
Lakota: Tetunwan/Teton division : Oglalla, Hunkpapa, Sihasapa, Minniconjou, Sićangu, Itazipacola, Oohenonpa


However, I have been away from the Dakotas for a while, and they may have changed how they refer to themselves.

[bluedawg12]

5. UP - what is the correct term? Nation?

I'm confoosed about the proper terminology for the Sioux in this story. :P

BTW- We did vacation through S. Dakota a few summers ago and drove through the badlands and black hills, it was awesome.

Yes, we travelled with two dogs and three pretty unhappy cats. Except for night time, when they got out of the conversion van and explored the mighty Dakota hills hotel rooms! Plus, I snipped them grass nibbles through out the trip from varying locales to munch on and they got to see some real live roadside buffalo, which they could sniff through the window of the spacious and comfortable pet-moblie van! They were not impressed--we were! :) The dogs,however, loved it. they got to trapse through fields and streams in the Black Hills of South Dakota and we all got to see the historic mining town of Deadwood, which was a big HBO series at the time.

This is what I just found about the Sioux:

http://www.crystalinks.com/sioux.html



>>The Lakota (also Teton, Tetonwan, Teton Sioux) are a Native American tribe. They are part of a confederation of seven related Sioux tribes (the Oceti Sakowin or seven council fires) and speak Lakota, one of the three major dialects of the Sioux language.

The Lakota are the western-most of the three Sioux groups, occupying lands in both North and South Dakota. The seven branches or "sub-tribes" of the Lakota are Sicangu, Oglala, Itazipco, Hunkpapa, Miniconjou, Sihasapa, and Ooinunpa. Notable persons include Tatanka Iyotake (Sitting Bull) from the Hunkpapa band and Tasunka Witko (Crazy Horse), Manpiya Luta (Red Cloud), Hehaka Sapa (Black Elk) and Billy Mills from the Oglala band as well as Touch the Clouds.

In North America the territory of the Lakota, Nakota and Dakota Nation covers some 200,000 km2 in the present day state of South Dakota and neighboring states.

The Lakota, Nakota and Dakota Nation (also known as the Great Sioux Nation) descends from of the original inhabitants of North America and can be divided into three major linguistic and geographic groups: Lakota (Teton, West Dakota), Nakota (Yankton, Central Dakota) and Dakota (Santee, Eastern Dakota). The total number of native North Americans is approximately 1,5 million, of which around 100,000 are Lakota. They reside near the Sacred Black Hills of South Dakota.

The Lakota ("friends" or "allies", sometimes also spelled "Lakhota") are a Native American tribe, also known as the Sioux (see Names). The Lakota are part of a band of seven tribes that speak three different dialects, the other two being the Dakota and the Nakota. The Lakota are the western most of the three groups, occupying lands in both North and South Dakota. The Nakota, the smallest division, reside on the Yankton reservation in South Dakota, the Northern portion of Standing Rock Reservation, and Canada (the Stoney and Assiniboine), while the Dakota live mostly in Minnesota and Nebraska.<<

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But, maybe you can help me on some other aspects of this story, the spiritual part.

Is this a reference to Native American spirituality? Is that what they mean by the terms: the Universal and Spiritual Laws of Creator?

Or is this some qausi- Native American reference, with other concepts thrown in? I guess I thought this family just showed up on the door step of Chief Running Elk and missed the point they were all from the same people and shared a common spiritual system.

For example, these terms, sound kind of new age mixture:

"She has come into this body as an Ascended Master.

There are three guides connected to the fiber of her soul.

They hold the intention for her to be incarnated in this manner along with them. Their energy reads to me as a mixture of angelic and ET.

She has complete access to the Akashic Records."

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I had to look up this term, too, from the sacred e-book called wikipedia: :evilgrin:

>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records

The akashic records (akasha is a Sanskrit word meaning "sky", "space" or "aether") is a term used in theosophy (and Anthroposophy) to describe a compendium of mystical knowledge encoded in a non-physical plane of existence. These records are described to contain all knowledge of human experience and the history of the cosmos. They are metaphorically described as a library and other analogues commonly found in discourse on the subject include a 'universal computer' and the 'Mind of God'. Descriptions of the records assert that they are constantly updated and that they can be accessed through astral projection. The concept originated in the theosophical movements of the 19th century, and remains prevalent in New Age discourse.

A theosophical term referring to a universal filing system which records every occurring thought, word, and action. The records are impressed on a subtle substance called akasha (or soniferous ether). In Hindu mysticism, this akasha is thought to be the primary principle of nature from which the other four natural principles, fire, air, earth, and water, are created. These five principles also represent the five senses of the human being.

The records have been referred to by different names: the cosmic mind, the universal mind, the collective unconscious, or the collective subconscious. Others think the akashic records make clairvoyance and psychic perception possible.

It is believed by philosophists, trained psychics, mystics, and Reiki practitioners that the events recorded upon that akasha can be ascertained or read in certain states of consciousness. Such states of consciousness can be induced by certain stages of sleep, weakness, illness, drugs, and meditation so not only mystics but ordinary people can and do perceive the akashic records. Some mystics claim to be able to reanimate their contents as if they were turning on a celestial television set. Yogis also believe that these records can be perceived in certain psychic states.<<
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Anyway, I don't quite know what to make of this story. I was wondering what you guys thought of it. The part that bothered me the most was the possibility of exploiting someone with a disability. I dunno know. I have no answers. Just questions. heh heh, I'm just a curious little dog sometimes. :)

[uppityperson]

7. I have issues with the Wannabe tribe members.

It sounds like new age writing to me, the terminology. One problem with spirituality is language doesn't exist to explain it very well. People get hung up on words, like God, the Universal and Spiritual Laws of Creator, allah, etc. It can make it difficult to tell if you are talking about the same thing (the Great Whatever or God or ...). As far as the telepathy? I am a skeptic. I've experienced odd, unexplainable things in my life, but am a skeptic at much of it (meaning new age AND biblical stuff).


Doing a quick look about "Grandmother Chandra" online, I find she has cerebral palsy, and uses a message board to communicate.

Doing a quick look about "Standing Elk", I have mixed feelings.

One place calls him "Chief of Yankton Sioux" and talks about him doing SunDances, which is good. Being involved with SunDances boosts him up, spiritually, in my mundane estimation. But, "Reportedly, he does the Lakota Sundance using Apache words and praising Jesus. " which sounds odd to me. http://www.greatdreams.com/ufos/ufo-cults.htm

Another website talks about Orbs, but not sure if I'd put that on him or on the website person.



There is more about him on UFO websites. Not sure if it is UFO/orbs people using him, wannabe tribers, or how much he believes in them.

As far as exploiting a disabled young woman, it is possible. It could be exploitation, with her going along for the ride, excitement, 15 minutes of fame. Or it could be real since there are things I can't explain. I don't know though.

[bluedawg12]

8. funny how the Orb, UFO and other phenomenon type communities seem to interlink?

Good research and thank you for the info.

If she's part of an established cultural theology,they have my respect, I have no gripe against people having a faith based system.

If it's something that was whipped up ad hoc around this young woman that is like brand spanking new, then, that sounds hokey.

You know, even if they sell oils and stuff, with her image and all that, I don't care, I would imagine they have medical bills and costs associated with this young ladie's care. As long as she is well cared for.

The only reason this popped up is that it was part of another search I was doing for the Indigo/China thread and this was part of the same website and seemed curious to specifically name this young lady, then a link to her website.

Oh well, at least I learned something more about S. Dakota! :)

[realisticphish]

9. The worst thing

is that someone involved with this is knowingly and happily using a handicapped person to cheat people out of money. Worse than the normal woo, IMHO