Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Uh-Oh, the "organic" fanatics forgot that EVERYTHING is made up of "Chemicals"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » DU Groups » Science & Skepticism » Skepticism, Science and Pseudoscience Group Donate to DU
 
Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 08:45 PM
Original message
Uh-Oh, the "organic" fanatics forgot that EVERYTHING is made up of "Chemicals"
:banghead:
Refresh | 0 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 09:19 PM
Response to Original message
1. I'll go one further and state that everything that humans can manufacture is "natural"
Humans are a subset of the natural world, after all. As such, I don't see how we could call anything we do unnatural, since that would require us to judge from an objective position outside of the natural/unnatural dichotomy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
uriel1972 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. bot h of those are personal bugbears of mine
guaranteed to have me frothing at the mouth within 3 seconds :evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 02:35 AM
Response to Original message
3. When that shit starts I post my favorite site
the one about the dangers of DHMO...Some of them do fall for it...;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. Out of curiosity, why isn't it referred to as "hydrogen hydroxide"
I haven't had a chemistry class in 18 years, but can't the formula be written as HOH?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. It can be
Edited on Tue Aug-04-09 07:59 AM by TZ
I think that either is actually acceptable but structurally H2O is more accurate? Not sure. Been awhile since I've reviewed my chemical naming rules... It might have to do with the common ions that form in water H30+ and OH- along with H20. (we have de-ionized water in the lab to keep the pH as close to neutral as possible)
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. But surely that de-ionized water remebers what it was like to be chock full of ions, right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. De-ionized water is also full of ions.
-OH, H3O+, and so on in that fashion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Spare me your witchcraft
De-ionized water may be full of ions, but unionized water can strike for a better benefits package.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. You can call it Shirley, but chemists just call it water.
Some things are so common even IUPAC doesn't bother dicking around with a new name.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
4. This was illustrated to comic effect at Notalwaysright.com recently:
http://notalwaysright.com/the-building-blockheads-of-life/2255


Customer: “I’m looking for some school books.”

Me: “Alright, what sort of books are you looking for?”

Customer: *sigh* “Some chemistry guides, I guess.”

Me: “Alright, let’s head over and look at a few different guides.”

(I take her to the chemistry section of the bookstore.)

Customer: “I’m just not excited to be taking this course.”

Me: “Are you’re worried that it will be too difficult?”

Customer: “Oh, no! I just don’t want to be forced to learn about something I don’t believe in.”

Me: “Er…sorry? What’s your degree program?”

Customer: “I’m in vet school. I’ve already done all of my bio classes, and i really loved them, but I’m really not interested in learning about chemicals and how they harm the Earth and stuff.”

Me: “That’s not really what chemistry is about, you know.”

Customer: “What do you mean? Just look at the name: CHEM-istry. Like, CHEM-ical. As in, harmful to all life!”

Me: “But you said you enjoyed your biology courses, so why not your chemistry? They’re both really important sciences, especially for your major.”

Customer: “I just don’t get why I have to learn about chemicals and stuff! biology is different - that’s Mother Nature! Not some science that was made up in a lab.”

Me: “Well, think about what life is, when you break it down. What helps build life?”

Customer: “Biology.”

Me:” Right! Back up some now.”

Customer: “…Atoms?”

Me: “Now come back up a bit. After atoms, but before biology.”

Customer: *blank stare*

Me: “Chemistry! What happens when different atoms come together? chemical reactions. That’s all part of chemistry. You can’t have biology without chemistry - it’s a natural part of life.”

Customer: *brightens up* “I had no idea! Now I can’t wait to take chemistry!”

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. Hehe,
also :banghead:

Q3JR4
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 02:17 PM
Response to Original message
5. Occasionally when I run into some real silliness
I take perverse pleasure in reminding them that salt is the combination of a combustible metal with a poisonous gas.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec 22nd 2024, 07:57 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » DU Groups » Science & Skepticism » Skepticism, Science and Pseudoscience Group Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC