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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:59 PM Original message |
Is SETI another of DU's sacred cows? |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. How is it pseudoscience? |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes, I don't believe it is psuedoscientific either |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. It isn't testing anything and isn't falsifiable. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. So you are saying it's like bigfoot. |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Well, not exactly squat |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I guess I'm putting bigfoot in the woo camp... |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Couldn't the same thing be said about searching for a cure for a disease? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. The methodology is different. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I still don't see how difficulty of narrowing a field of search... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. The problem is what to do with a null result. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 12:02 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Same thing is true then in searching for a cure for a disease |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. In medicine, there's an actual research process and a null result means the drug doesn't work. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. A null result on one drug, however, doesn't mean a disease... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I get your point, but it doesn't really address the main problem. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Exactly |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Hmm. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. How about pointless science |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. SETI is privately funded now. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm not so sure that SETI is woo, though. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. The idea that ET life exists isn't woo. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. But the idea that there is other civilizations BROADCASTING signals |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. A null result doesn't falsify the main hypothesis... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. That's very true -- the chances of getting a hit are extremely small. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. If it isn't falsifiable, it's probably pseudoscience, which says nothing about the underlying ideas. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Are you saying that you consider SETI to be pseudoscience because... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. No, I'm saying that SETI's method is pseudoscience. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
38. The term "falsifiable" is rather misapplied here |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. It's what it tests that isn't falsifiable. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-30-11 06:40 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Many things in science |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-30-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. The Higgs is a prediction of the Standard Model. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-30-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Can those experiments ever PROVE |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-30-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-30-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Well, actually SETI CAN |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-30-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I've given it a think and have to acquiesce. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That's sort of how I understood it, too. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
12. How the hell is SETI woo? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. It's pseudoscientific. |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. There's a difference between having a faulty method and being pseudoscientific |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. What would you call it then? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
15. It's not woo and I doubt that it is a sacred cow. |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
23. Demarcation problem |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I like that. I think I'll start using protoscience. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-30-11 08:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
42. I like to think of it this way |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
29. well, there's zero evidence that aliens exist. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Properly done... |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. SETI and the guy in the backyard have accumulated precisely the same evidence. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. And cancer researchers have cured cancer... |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. except we know that cancer is real. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
32. Dunno. I always thought it was a little preposterous |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. "Slow" radio waves might be the fastest thing there is. |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
33. I heard a SETI researcher lecture once... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Ha! That's great! |
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