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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 10:50 AM
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Disabled and Poverty
Disabled Persons and Poverty
Information Bulletin #197

People with disabilities between 18-64, who have never been able
to work or who can no longer work, receive either Supplemental
Security Income (SSI) and/or Social Security Disability Insurance
(SSDI). Based on the following data, our national government and
elected officials seem to have forgotten to address disability and
poverty. Maybe the same can be said for disability advocates in
many states.

Nationally, there are about 10 million people between 18 and 64
who are disabled and receive either SSDI and/or SSI. It's
important to break down these numbers to understand the extent of
poverty these people face.

First, let's look at the nearly 6 million people with disabilities
in this age category who receive SSDI only. These 6 million
receive an average of about $950 a month in SSDIb only 24% above
the federal poverty level. The federal poverty level for a single
person is $9,800 a year or $816 a month. As with all "averages,"
there are many folks below the $950 a month.

Second, there are 3 million disabled people between 18 and 64 who
receive SSI only. The monthly SSI federal payment averaged $469 a
month -- 43% BELOW the federal poverty level. If a person were
lucky enough to live in one of the 30 states that provide both the
SSI federal payment and a state optional and mandatory
supplementation to the federal SSI payment, then their total
monthly benefits are about $603 a month and still 26% BELOW the
poverty level.

Third, there are about 1 million people who receive a combination
of SSDI and SSI. These people receive a combination of SSDI and
SSI because their SSDI benefits fell well below their State's SSI
payment. They are then eligible for a SSI payment up to the SSI
benefit level. (Obviously, these are the poor SSDI recipients.)

These 1 million people receive an average SSI payment of $189 a
month to supplement their SSDI. This means these 1 million were,
before they became disabled, low-income workers and/or were
sporadically employed and did not earn enough from wages to
receive an SSDI benefit that exceeded the minimum SSI benefits.
Since their SSI benefits with their SSDI benefits equal only the
minimum SSI level, their total monthly combined benefits total
about $603 a month.

When viewing people with disabilities and poverty, we should look
at those 4 million SSI recipients with disabilities between 18-64
who receive SSI only or a combination of SSI and SSDI and all of
whose incomes fall at least 26% BELOW the federal poverty level.

If these figures were not discouraging enough, then there are the
resource limitations and exclusions that must be satisfied to
qualify for SSI: countable income cannot exceed $2,000 for an
individual and $3,000 for a couple. This has not changed since the
SSI law was enacted more than 30 years ago!

Many people of the 6 million people with disabilities receiving
SSDI only, who would qualify for a SSI payment, because their
monthly SSDI benefits are low, do not apply for SSI because the
resource limitations. They are discouraged from applying for the
measly SSI monthly income solely because they have saved more than
$2,000 and are afraid to part with it in order to qualify for SSI.

If you want to know whether or not your State pays an optional
state supplementation to SSI, the number of disabled who receive
it, and the amount, if any, you can find it at
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/policy/docs/progdesc/ssi_st_asst/200
6/index.html, click on your state and look at Tables 1 and 2.

Disability Advocates:

1. Why should any person with a disability have to survive on less
than the poverty level? Isn't it time for a state campaign to
raise SSI levels to the poverty level?

2. If your State does not provide State Supplementation to federal
SSI payments, how can any elected official expect a person with
disability to survive on $469 or even $603 a month? Why doesn't
your State provide it? Why haven't the disability advocates taken
up this issue?

3. What about national legislation to increase the minimum federal
SSI and to significantly increase or eliminate altogether the
resource limitations? What are our national inside the beltway
advocates doing to address this issue? With the recent talk of a
national minimum wage, what about a national SSI payment at least
at the poverty level?

Source: Steve Gold
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:44 AM
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1. My sis with MS had to leave the country to afford a life-tired of food bank etc n/t
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 12:01 PM
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2. where did she go?
I'm very sad to hear this and I'm sure you miss your sister. What a choice huh? Leave the country you are from because you are sick and can't take another food bank dinner! :grr:

What a nightmare for her and you!

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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:31 PM
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9. What other Country would
immigrate a Disabled person? I would sure like to know.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:05 AM
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3. Disgraceful
It's a blight upon America and humanity that disabled people are punished like this for simply having a disability.
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hashibabba Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:20 PM
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4. I totally agree with you. I didn't know I could qualify for SSI. I'm
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 02:37 PM by hashibabba
on SSDI and receive what would be a little over $6.00 an hour, more than the poor minimum wage earners in this country (until the wage increase goes into effect). But I also started receiving Housing Assistance (which Bush is trying to get axe with his new budget proposal) which is 3/4 of my rent, so I'm actually doing fairly well and receiving about the same as I did years ago when I was working.

I went to the site and my state only helps those in adult foster care or are in assisted living housing. But they DO pay my Medicare premiums which are at least $80 per month. They may have or are going to increase those premiums.

You can't live on SSI. An apartment around here goes for right around $1,000. How does someone get by on SSI? Its not possible. I guess they have to hope they're getting food stamps and housing assistance. Its a disgrace to this country. And Bush is cutting over 160 programs for the needy in this country, not to mention cuts in Medicare and Medicaid. He is morally bankrupt and so are the minions who agree with his insane policies.

Edited to reflect new information.
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KCforObama.com Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 07:11 AM
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5. Vocational Education
Apparently, the Bush Administration slashed funding for vocational education for students with special needs.

This was a part of their individualized transition services.

We teach our students how to become as self-sufficient, self-advocating, self-determined as possible...provide resources/supports in areas where more assistance/help is needed so they can transition into the workforce or society independently.

Great idea slashing vocational education, eh?!!?

They don't need jobs any way.
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:36 PM
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6. I certainly agree BUT....

When I worked as a consultant and trainer for our state Developmental Disabilities Division the problem was that after paying tens of thousands of dollars a year on transitional services for special needs adults 18-21 and provided by the educational system (IDEA), my state then put them on a waiting list for anywhere up to 5 years before they had a 'slot' available in the Adult DD system.

No matter how good the transitional services and no matter how much money is spent for transitional services - IT IS ALL WASTED AS LONG AS THE STATES DO NOT FULLY FUND THE ADULT SYSTEM. After waiting 5 years between transitional and adult services learning retention is non-existent

Maybe things have gotten better since I retired 5 years ago - I doubt it. EVERY penny spent on transitional services is a waste when there is no follow up. (I did trainings on Social Security, SSI, SSDAC, and on PASS plans and how working effects benefits)

I personally have gotten to the point where I would prefer that the money spent in transitional services after age 18 simply be given to the parent of the child to with as they please to try and find a way to fill the service gap for their children until adult services has a slot for them. Who knows better then the parents?

Just IMO
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 12:42 PM
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7. Social Security fuck that...
They just sent me a letter stating that despite the $20,000 I have paid in that I don't qualify for any benefits. Not now that I am disabled, nor when I reach retirement age thanks to the fact that I can't be a productive slave.
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:19 PM
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10. Did it say.....

you had waited too long between the last time you worked and your application. Sounds likely. You will still qualify for your retirement at 65 (62). You should still qualify for SSI if you have no countable assets.

If you want to spend some more time on this start a new thread. Lots of help available here.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 01:58 AM
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8. Excellent questions that I imagine we've all asked before.

1. Why should any person with a disability have to survive on less
than the poverty level? Isn't it time for a state campaign to
raise SSI levels to the poverty level?

2. If your State does not provide State Supplementation to federal
SSI payments, how can any elected official expect a person with
disability to survive on $469 or even $603 a month? Why doesn't
your State provide it? Why haven't the disability advocates taken
up this issue?

3. What about national legislation to increase the minimum federal
SSI and to significantly increase or eliminate altogether the
resource limitations? What are our national inside the beltway
advocates doing to address this issue? With the recent talk of a
national minimum wage, what about a national SSI payment at least
at the poverty level?

Source: Steve Gold



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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:04 AM
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11. Answers
*Pure sarcasm, of course, written from the POV of a Compassionless Conservative.

1. What do you expect? It's not like you work for a living or anything you moocher.
2. No elected official expects you to actually live on that pittance, but if they raise it then the number of applications will go up. The stingy checks help weed out the fakers.
3. The limits are there because nobody wants you sitting on a huge nest egg while mooching off the taxpayers. If you're going to be a moocher you deserve to live in dire poverty with no property and no spare funds.


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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 11:31 PM
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17. I just left my THIRD message board where freepers told me I
Edited on Mon Sep-03-07 11:32 PM by cutlassmama
was a "moocher", living off the government and to get a job. I'm BED BOUND 24/7, except when in my electric wheelchair (which isn't much). I worked for 26 years and yet, now that I'm disabled with FIFTEEN different diagnoses I'm a "moocher". If I was a "moocher" I would have gone back to work during the two-year time period it took for me to get SSDI and when I became too sick to work. The last year I did actually have my job, I missed so much time, used up all my FMLA leave, sick leave, and annual leave due to my illnesses, that I almost got fired before I quit.

Not only are people asking for SSDI the sickest of the population, we have to deal with bone heads, doctors (arrogant pricks), pharmacies, trying to figure out we're going to pay for medications, surgeries, get to and from doctors and hospitals, we have to deal with prejudice attitudes toward the disabled.

THEN we have to try to deal with supporting ourselves for 1-3 years it takes to get approved and then live on the measly checks they send us.

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-14-07 10:55 AM
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12. You know what else makes things worse
When the spouse has to stop being employed to provide care, caregivers are the unseen crutch of health care in this country, with zero compensation, but for the grace of God we go.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 08:34 PM
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13. that is EXACTLY what has happened in my family. It's a disgrace
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:49 PM
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14. Make sure someone signs up at the NFCA
For their Newsletter, it's well worth the effort and no cost, National Family Caregivers association.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:19 AM
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15. I will. Thank you!
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:34 PM
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16. Kicking (nt)
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:05 AM
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18. Yep, $623 a month here. SSI/SSDI
7.5k per year, and I'm supporting two people on it. The only reason it's even possible is that my partner owns our housing and we have no rent. But I'm still scraping by and borrowing frequently. Our state does not supplement SSI. It is a very conservative state and undoubtedly believes in punishing the "unproductive."

Because I have no rent, the Food Stamp program apparently thinks I'm in great financial shape and qualifies me for just $11 a month. Seriously.

My partner doesn't work due to issues, but refuses to get disability because of the stigma and the indoctrinated view that it is "giving up on life," etc. Very frustrating.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:38 AM
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19. I hope you or your partner can get to some food banks in your
town. We have several really good ones here. It's hard for me to get to, but once in a while I can make it and sit for hours with crowds of people.
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roguelement Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:14 PM
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20. The Haves disable the have nots !
Dear Friends : I'm a lowly Tradesman / Craftsman and have been
in the Residential and commercial building trades for just
over 30 yrs and because I worked as hard and as crazy long as
I did everything else in my disfunctional life it took it's
toll on my Spine and the rest of My joints But because of Our
Wonderful world of modern Pharmacology {Meds} and the
marvelous world of Opiates I was able to continue at the
Behest of Many a Contractor at My normal Break neck speed for
many yrs without ever coming up for Air {Or surgery} long
enough to get the needed medical attention I needed for so
long but just kept putting off until that icy cold day in
November when I stept back while  two storys up on scaffolding
only to find Air and NOT planks so when I came to in the
basement stairwell ontop of a pile of Cut-Offs and debris
without the benefit of Air in my lungs I said to myself SUCK
IN FOOL HURRY UP but because of the Fractured vertibre and the
Broken ribs pulling Air into My Lungs was much more difficult
than I had originally figured. Anyway friends because I had NO
Medical Insurance and as it turned out the Contractor I was
doing this Sub job for was able to Bid this Job so Cheaply was
because all His Insurance Documents were Phonyed up with the
Help of a Rather nice H/P Desk Or OfficeJet printer which made
up all his Paper work to a Tee so this ASS HOLE HAD NO NOTHING
anyway after I was Turned down from the Disability office for
the First time and then for the second I figured it was time
to get help so I went to the Legal aid society Of Central New
York now that was Oct.04 and so far I have been asigned 3
Young Wannabe Lawyers who have come and gone without ever once
doing anything for Me so here I am 2008 and still NOWHERE Sure
I Work but it always ends the same way, I work until I can't
stand up or WALK and then quit! The first hearing I went to
the Big cheese told Me that while I did have SOME Discomfort I
was still able to carry at least 10 LBS and able to stand on
my feet for short periods Forget the 250.00 dollars a day I
was once able to pull down Back when I used to eat a hand full
of Pain killers and Off to Work I went as them days are long
behind Me ! So what do I do ? Call Binder & Binder and
start this Fucked up Ball from Square One ? Or stick it out
with the Legal Aid Kids ? Hey people Can I share something
with you ? How are We to Support ourselves  with Gasoline and
Heating going so far North So fast that We would have to Be
Crack dealers just to afford the Strange lifestyle of todays
Normal everyday American who eats a Meal during the same week
He pay's his Bills while driving back and forth to work ? I'm
sorry people But SOME HOW DEEP DOWN IN MY BONE I KNOW OUR
FOUNDING FATHERS DID NOT FORGE AHEAD AND CREATE A UNITED
STATES SO A FEW COULD LIVE OFF THE BACKS OF THE MANY !!!!!
NO-WAY NOT POSSIBLE NOT EVEN CLOSE ? SO MY Next question is
WHAT AND WHEN DO WE START TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD SO MY
CHILD AND HERS are able to afford more in there lifetime than
just the ability to pay bills and enjoy the Luxury Of A Meal ?
WE MUST RISE UP and end this before they create another
defocusing war THAT TAKES US AWAY FROM OUR INHERENT DUTY OF
UPHOLDING OUR CONSTITUTION ...EVEN IF OUR CRIMINALLY INSANE
USELESS GOVERNMENT WILL NOT ?????







      
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:28 AM
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21. Get a lawyer. Most will not charge you if you lose and most
will wait until you get a settlement to do that.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:04 PM
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22. For my grown son it fluctuates between $501.00 month and
$617.00 month, depending on which worker screws up his case which month. I wish there was some way he could get better and get a job...dealing with SSA is an absolute nightmare.

I honestly don't know what will happen after I die. There is no way he can handle this stupid agency on his own. His mind is that of a 5 year old. There is just no way. The three people I have set up to take care of him after I'm gone are not savvy enough to deal with this system either. I know he's going to fall through the cracks. :mad:
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ildemo Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:35 PM
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23. What if I can work a little?
Now what I am on disability, can anyone tell me if it would be safe to work a menial part-time job for some extra cash? Like at the corner gas station?

Or will it red-flag me?

I really need a little extra money to cover the bills, but I don't want to get cut off, especially since I have only been on SSDI for a month. Nor do I want to trigger an early CDR. As it is, they said I have 5-7 years before a review.
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ildemo Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:39 PM
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24. What if I can work a little?
Now what I am on disability, can anyone tell me if it would be safe to work a menial part-time job for some extra cash? Like at the corner gas station?

Or will it red-flag me?

I really need a little extra money to cover the bills, but I don't want to get cut off, especially since I have only been on SSDI for a month. Nor do I want to trigger an early CDR. As it is, they said I have 5-7 years before a review.
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