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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 01:58 PM
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Fighting for our Lives at the ACLU


Kansas ACLU reconsidering stance re Terri Schiavo

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They had supposed, I suppose, that the only disabled people who want to stay alive are dupes of the rabid-religious right wing. We thought we'd be lucky to make one convert. After ninety minutes, all 16 people in the room signed onto a resolution to "educate our constituents through forums and discussions" on the dangers to human life and human rights when Death with Dignity becomes law.

~snip

It was a bigger leap for them to see us as progressives disowned by our own, for instance by that well-known national socialist, Hitler. I listed other, more honored early progressives who favored euthanasia: Margaret Sanger, Oliver Wendell Holmes, the Ford and Carnegie foundations, the Harrimans, the Unitarians. Today the most diligent protector of our Right to Die is, looky here! Their own ACLU.

~snip

What won the day for us may have been the same force that has defeated us: people's imaginings, as when they imagine a hard death. Now, suddenly, they imagined being disabled and proud but betrayed by the Right to Die.

full article at:
http://www.notdeadyet.org/docs/articles/gwin0305.html
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:34 PM
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1. That is such good news
Especially in this bleak season of euthanasia cheerleading. I wonder if there might be changes in other ACLU chapters' thinking.
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Crandor Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:54 PM
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2. If being kept in a PVS sounds like fun...
just put that in your living will and that's what you'll get. The ACLU isn't going to break into your hospice to kill you.
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:49 PM
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3. have you ever even looked at NDY's arguments? n/t
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 03:37 AM
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4. Has anyone including yourself EVER researched . . .
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Has anyone including yourself EVER researched . . . what and who this "Not Dead Yet" is?

1.) http://www.notdeadyet.org/docs/dianebio.html

2.) http://cdsprod.ilsos.net/CorpSearchWeb/CorporationSearchServlet?fileNumber=59487191&sysId=CD&nameType=MST

What portion of this corporation does Coleman place into her own pocket? Into others pockets? Does Coleman co-mingle fundings? How much of this corporation goes toward conflicts-of-interest of Coleman?

Again, has anyone seen the accounting of this corporation? Is it merely another so-called "non-profit" sucking off of ppl's ignorance?

And MOST importantly, what the hell is this organization all about? Besides instilling fear into ignorant people. Ignorant, that is, about legal issues around death and dying?


________________________________________________________

The Right to Privacy includes both
A Woman's Right to Choose, and
The Right-to-Die-with-Dignity

Keep the Government OFF our bodies and OUT of our bedrooms !
________________________________________________________

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Banazir Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 10:26 AM
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5. A statement by Diane Coleman
Many proponents of legalizing assisted suicide have accused Not Dead Yet and other disability advocates of being puppets of religious and pro-life groups who also oppose such legislation. We respect the efforts of our allies in this policy debate, but it's always been an uneasy alliance. From our point of view, this is not about sanctity of life, and we object to those who would frame this as part of the pro-life vs. pro-choice culture war. We urgently object to those on either side who would risk the lives of people already born on the rhetoric and the outcome of that war. We all deserve better than that.

We're very glad that our position is shared by many professional health care groups. But I'm pretty sure that many of our medical allies get very uncomfortable when they hear our reasons for opposing assisted suicide. Our personal experiences in the health care system are very relevant. People with disabilities live and die on the front lines of the health care system and, to be succinct, we don't trust it. Eleven national disability organizations have joined Not Dead Yet in opposing physician assisted suicide. Why? Are groups like the National Spinal Cord Injury Association puppets of the Christian right? No. Does Not Dead Yet have $21,000 a month to spend on public relations advisors like the recently renamed End-of-Life Choices group, so we were able to trick our colleagues into joining us? No. $21,000 is our annual budget this year -- if we're lucky.
http://www.raggededgemagazine.com/focus/colemanasstsui0404.html

While I don't know her personally, I know several people who've worked for her directly, and any complaints they've had about the group (and there are legitimate ones, such as being too focused on physical disability) haven't been related to funding sources or puppetry.

As for spreading unnecessary fear, the fear of most people in these areas is well-grounded in fact and experience, and that's how groups like this form, not the opposite. Our fear doesn't need to be "stirred up" by groups like this, it's already present as a result of doctors, institutions, hospitals, and the like. It's always struck me as patronizing that people think that anyone disabled who's afraid of this stuff must be these poor naive souls misled by these evil groups. That we might have a lot of collective direct experience of the devaluation of our lives seems out of the question to a lot of people, not sure why.

On the other hand, if you follow the money at the Hemlock Society (now End of Life Choices, because their earlier name was a little too obvious), who claim they're only about the so-called right to die with dignity, you'll find that they've funded and provided written support of people who killed their disabled relatives and disabled people who happened to be suicidal for reasons unrelated to disability.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:13 AM
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6. These drive-by posters who shower us poor crips with the riches of
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 12:15 AM by DemBones DemBones
their inexhaustible knowledge are getting to be a nuisance since they only write, don't read. I believe we may be seeing a new and quite serious form of cognitive disability among this group, possibly caused by an empathic deficit -- or a caca overload.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 04:41 AM
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7. LOL DemBones...."drive-by" posters..
that's funny. caca overload...LOL :hug:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:03 AM
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8. The Right gets it wrong and the pseudo-Left doesn't get it at ALL. n/t
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