Attention Edwardians who still post ! Edwards under attack!

[saracat]

And so much for all the Obamatrons that accused me of lying when I posted links lasttime and said they attacked him for the "non endorsement". They again attack.Please defend John. I am on hiatus from DU!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5873277&mesg_id=5873277

[MissDeeds]

1. Of course he's under attack

He is a man of principles who stands for something. JE isn't willing to hold his nose and throw his lot in with BO or HRC. Neither are suitable candidates and he knows it - as do most of us here.

I would jump into the thread and raise hell, but it won't do any good. You can't reach them. They berate Edwards as being insignificant, and then bitch and gripe because he won't endorse the Big O.
I am sick to death of the whole lot of them.

It is a sad and sorry commentary on the state of this country that out of 300+ million people, we have come down to these three miserable candidates for president. I cannot believe the Democratic Party has put forth these two divisive and unelectable prospective candidates. :wtf:

[Catchawave]

2. I thought John was "irrelevant" ?

Wish they'd make up their minds :rofl:

I never see Hillary supporters attack John like that, then again, very few of them left :(

[balantz]

3. I put in a few words.

But not a difference will it make.

Why defend J.E. to these hard-core nuts? All they want is someone to make snide comments to.

[cornermouse]

4. There's something that I call determined stupidity.

Determined stupidity is the people who are determined not to admit that they've made a mistake, let alone learn from it. You can't talk to people who are determined to be stupid. You're never going to get through to them. DU used to be a good place to be but it sure isn't now and I'm not sure I can trust it to be a good place ever again. It's become mentally and emotionally abusive. This place has become nirvana for psychiatrists, psychologists, and students of psychiatry and psychology.

[Andrea]

5. I have wondered if any of them

are actually following all this and doing a study. I would be very interested in reading that.

[balantz]

6. You can bet the neocons are doing it, they are always one step ahead.

The corporations do plenty of research into the best angles for selling their products, be that pills or politicians.

They probably have teams of psychoanalysts.

[waiting for hope]

7. Assholes - all of them.

If they care so little about Edwards, why would he endorsement matter? My hubby and I are dreaming of Edwards running as an independent - both one of us hate the direction this party has taken.

[ClericJohnPreston]

8. You know I was there to ahem, comment

What a major league group of asshats these Obamites are. Simply, I can't stand these Kool-Aid drinkers.

Their time will come.......

[Creideiki]

11. But that's okay, because when he loses, it will be all because of the gays

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY

[ChiciB1]

13. But As With "The Idiot Bush" Those Of Us Who Disagree Will Pay

the price and be run over as we have been for so long. I'm at a loss for words!!!

[Two Americas]

9. pretty ugly

Long post, sorry. Have a lot to say on the subject. Actually reading it is entirely optional lol.

Am I imagining it, or are things getting worse? Didn't think that was possible.

Read through that thread, and if that is representative of the direction the party is going - and I believe that it is - and who in their right mind would ever want to be associated with Democrats, or even come within a mile of them? It isn't a political organization anymore, it is some sort of mass psychosis.

A certain mob dynamic is happening. You can make a clear and solidly reasoned post - no response. That has happened to me a couple of dozens times in the last week or so alone. And then within a few days the words you used have been re-assembled into an argument that says the exact opposite, and soon dozens and dozens of people are repeating it, and then by the next day people are talking about the made up nonsense as though it were the truth than "everyone knows." Wade through that, trace it back to its origin, and calmly point out how illogic it is - silence. Then a couple of days later the words you used in that post are re-constituted into a pro-Obama argument and dozens and dozens of people are repeating it.

I think the prototype for that was the success of the right wing "reverse racism" theme. They discovered that by turning a truth exactly inside out, the truth could be countered and warded off. Obama starts a racism controversy in the race, and to mask that a chorus of people start accusing Clinton of racism. People point out the cult-like behavior of Obama supporters, and within days the Obama supporters are using the exact same words but accusing the critics of those cult-like attributes. Obama is nailed on elitism with calm and rational posts, and we see the rise of a new concept - "reverse elitism" - those pointing out elitism are the actual elitists! Any time anyone makes a superior argument or demonstrates intelligence and logic - now they are the elitists!

This "reverse "logic" is becoming more and more pervasive. Let's say that you post something that is not consonant with the Obama campaign themes. The you are targeted by vicious personal attacks, character assassination and slander. If you object to that, your objection to being attacked will be characterized as an attack. "How dare you accuse me of being an attacking sort of person??" is the "logic." If you say anything that makes them uncomfortable -m anything that is inconsistent in any way with the idolization of Obama - you are accused of "attacking." No matter how vicious they are toward you, it is OK, because "it isn't an attack if it is the truth" - as I have heard Obama supporters say many times, or we have the "she started it!" or "she had it coming!" justification - the absolute height of moral depravity.

We have seen this "reverse logic" from people embracing the right wing talk radio ideas for a number of years, but I have never seen it as bad from them as I now see it from Obama supporters.

Now, some say "it isn't all Obama supporters." That seems reasonable - they couldn't have all lost their minds, could they have? - but I don't think it is true. It is true that only a few Obama supporters make the mist outrageous statements and engage overtly in the most obnoxious behavior, However, all Obama supporters at the very least give tacit support for that behavior and almost never challenge one of their own on their behavior. In fact, it is remarkable how few times an Obama supporter will break with the herd and stand up to one of the Obama bullies. And it also almost never happens that an Obama supporter will come to the defense of a beleaguered person who has been targeted and is being ripped apart by the howling pack.

The Obama supporters are acting as though they were no longer individuals, but merely components of a larger organism.

No Obama supporter will stand up and deny or refute anything I am saying here. However, at some time in the future I will no doubt see this post referred ot by an Obama supporter out of the blue as a way to discredit me in another discussion - "oh yeah? We know your agenda!! Just look at the hateful attacks you are making here in the Edwards forum!!!"

I don't hate any Obama supporter - I am not even ever angry at any of them. I don't call them "cultists" just to hurt them or to win an argument with them. Actually, I don't call then names at all, but I will point out cult-like behavior when I see it. The things I say are not an attack on Obama supporters - they are a mad desperate scramble to get out from under their attacks, to understand them and defend myself and others who are under attack from them.

Isn't this the strangest thing? I have spent time among extreme right wingers many times in the past, most dramatically as a performer, where I often went in as a lone and frail and outspoken Yankee socialist in some small town church in the rural South. But I have never seen a group that is as difficult or frightening as the Obama following is.

[cornermouse]

10. For some reason they expect you to agree with every detail of

everything they say. It's turned into abuse and I think that's why a lot of people have left.

[ClericJohnPreston]

12. Can't say I didn't warn long ago

of all of this that has come to be. The epicenter of the madness being the cynical and calculating people behind this psyops campaigning, which has turned out far better than forecast.

I am personally disgusted and sickened to the core by the loathsome Obamaites, their servile nature to irrationality, their denial of all things REAL, in preference to fantasy and projection.

Believe me Two Americas, as you have seen my countless predictions of future behavior proved right, they will crash and burn, all the lemmings over the cliff. If you don't want to go down with them, be ready for a Progressive alternative.

[spooky3]

14. "We Know Nothing

And We Have Learned Nothing. Damned Proud of It, Too!"

This country has had 7+ years of painful lessons in the consequences of voting on the basis of emotions, or as my hero might put it, "what your gut tells you." But for too many people, it seems, 7 years of lessons is insufficient. Apparently many believe that THEIR gut feelings are more trustworthy than those of the Bush and McCain supporters.

There is no point in arguing with people who make political decisions primarily on the basis of how they feel about the candidate.

[Two Americas]

15. the biggest problem with that

When people's support for a candidate is based on "I just feel like he will be different and good," and then anyone who doesn't "feel" the same way is attacked as the enemy that needs to be destroyed, that may work with fellow Democrats in the primary season. But in the general, people are just going to say "well I don't feel that way, see you later" and will not put up with any of it for a minute. No one will hear any message, because they will not be able to get beyond the obnoxiousness of the messengers.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. If one must "get" it to support Obama, and if all who do not "get" it are going to be attacked, I am dead certain that most people in the country will not "get" it - will not fall in love with the celebrity and join the fan club.

[TexasBushwhacker]

16. I still post, but not in GD:P

They have devolved into something I want no part of. You can have a battle of the wits with an unarmed person. I'd sooner post on Free Republic than on GD:P. Don't get me wrong. I WILL vote for the Democratic candidate, whoever it ends up being, but as far as I'm concerned, the people who supported Obama and Clinton from the beginning do not stand for what is important to me. Edwards does.