John Edwards for VP--sign the petition!!

[huskerlaw]

Like the idea of Obama/Edwards '08?? SIGN THE PETITION!!!

http://www.edwards4veep.org/

And/or head over to Salon and write a letter to the editor:
http://letters.salon.com/news/feature/2008/05/08/veepstakes_obama/view/index.html?show=all&order=desc

[bpeale]

1. nope. this edwards democrat absolutely will not vote for any ticket

that has obama or hillary as its base.

[huskerlaw]

2. What's your option?

I'm not thrilled about it either, but not voting or voting for McCain isn't an option to me.

Plus, if Edwards is the VP candidate, why in the world wouldn't you want him in the #2 spot? That doesn't make any sense.

[bpeale]

4. right now i will either write in JRE in the GE or vote NADER

i cannot reward the dems asshattery with a vote. sorry. never again.

[huskerlaw]

6. If you want to throw away your vote

that's you're choice, obviously. But I don't see how you can call yourself an Edwards democrat if you're not willing to help him become the Vice President, thereby setting him up for a damn good shot at the White House in 2008.

Politics isn't all or nothing. If you can't compromise, you'll lose every time.

[MissDeeds]

9. I agree completely with Bpeale

Obviously, you don't know diddly about what it means to be an Edwards Democrat. John Edwards' values and principles set him apart from BO in many, many ways. It wasn't until JE suspended his candidacy that Obama grabbed onto a populist platform. There are reasons he hasn't endorsed BO or HRC.

By the way, people fought and died so that we have rights in this country, and that includes the right to vote for whomever we wish. Like Bpeale, I am voting for JE in the general election - He represents me. Throwing your vote away is casting it for a lesser candidate for the sake of "compromise".

As Emerson said, "Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles". That works for me.

[huskerlaw]

10. Oh please

I'm not trying to take anyone's right to vote away. Give me a break. I just happen to disagree with the analysis and feel he'd be making a mistake. But I never said that he didn't or shouldn't have the right to do what he wants.

And also don't accuse me of not knowing "diddly" about what it means to be an Edwards Democrat. I worked my ASS OFF for him. You see, I believe in him and his message and I want him in the White House. Just because we disagree on how best to get him there, that doesn't mean YOU are a better Edwards supporter than me. That's just ridiculous.

You know nothing about me. Where in the HELL do you get off accusing me of wanting to take someone's rights away and not knowing anything?

[MissDeeds]

11. Wow! Man, you need to calm the hell down!

I accused you of nothing! A lot of us have worked hard for JE. You came on this forum with a head of steam and chastized others who don't agree with you. Now calm down and get a grip. You've really taken this way too far.

[MissDeeds]

12. Thanks for the edit

I appreciate you taking out the offensive parts. Really, I mean that.

[huskerlaw]

13. You're welcome.

I do apologize for that. It was uncalled for, which is why I edited it.

However. "Obviously, you don't know diddly about what it means to be an Edwards Democrat."
How exactly AM I supposed to take that? As a compliment? Hardly.

And this little gem: "By the way, people fought and died so that we have rights in this country, and that includes the right to vote for whomever we wish."
What was that? If that's not an assertion that I'm unaware of the history of the right to vote, I'm not sure what your point was.

[bpeale]

29. you worked you ass off for him, but are willing to go against everything you believe in?

no edwards democrat would do that.

[cornermouse]

14. You mean 2012, don't you.

That is illogical. Obama is young and should be expected to live well past 2016 and certainly, if he actually won, would run for a second term. How many times have you seen a vice president run against his own president?

[huskerlaw]

16. Oops

Yes, clearly I put the wrong date. I meant in 8 years, not in 2008. I didn't mean to imply that he would run against Obama, of course that wouldn't work.

[Creideiki]

27. I know it feels like throwing away a vote

Maybe it even is.

I'll be honest. I'm a gay man. Obama *could* get me to vote for him with Edwards on the ticket if Edwards becomes Obama's softening figure.

Really, though, Obama needs to deal with a lot of bigoted baggage that I don't see him dealing with. I also expect him to carry less of the gay vote than any Democrat in recent history. Not that I expect them to defect to McCain, but the choice is between someone who wants to shove us in the closet and someone who wants to shove us in the closet. Hooray for us.

There's still the other possible endgame--neither Hillary nor Barack get the nomination on the first ballot. That would open the floor for other possibilities. Gore/Edwards (or Edwards at the top) would be a different matter entirely.

[huskerlaw]

31. I completely understand your point

and agree with it. Obama's "baggage" is one of the main reasons that I remain uncommitted.

I honestly wish that your hypothesis would come to fruition, but given the statement from Hillary's campaign manager yesterday (that she'd be out by June 3) and Obama having officially taken over in the superdelegate count today, I think we'll actually see a resolution to this before the convention. I very well could be wrong, and I'd love if your scenario played out, I just don't see it happening.

[bpeale]

28. ANY VOTE, and i mean any vote, that is duly cast if not a wasted vote

i will not reward democrats for bad behavior. that you would doesn't speak well of you (at least in my eyes). it means you will compromise your principals to be on the winning side on election day instead of doing the right thing.

[bpeale]

30. you know, i don't put many supposed "Edwards democrats" on block

but in your case i'll make an exception. i don't come here to listen to obama cheerleading. take it back to GD:P where anybody cares. (Bobbolink has been on ignore for quite some time as you just cannot have a conversation with her).

[Two Americas]

39. the option

The option is to stop thinking about politics as a horse race or personality contest, to stop seeing elections as all there is to politics and to stop seeing our personal choices and preferences as the only important thing.

Elections are an effect, not a cause. They are the last step, and a minor step in the political process. The most important and powerful thing in politics is the ongoing national political discussion, and when we make that discussion be all about voting - our personal choice in personalities - we short-circuit the process.

We have a representative democracy. The politicians are supposed to represent the people, not the other way around. The problem is that we don't give them anything to represent, because we are so busy obsessing over our little personal stances and choices and run around like unpaid public relations agents for them, promoting their careers, representing them. The only sort of consensus or solidarity we can imagine is to align with fan clubs, to howl with the mob of people who share our prejudices and preferences, as embodied and expressed by some celebrity.

Politics is about power and economics, not about personal preferences and personal choices of cultural issues. The right wingers turned our political system into popularity contests based on personal beliefs and choices - all on issues that have nothing to do with politics. We are being foolish, and are certain to lose, if we play that game.

[bobbolink]

3. abso-fucking-lutely NOT

Mute his anti-corporate voice behind a corporate shill?

Why in the hell would we want that???

I'm holding out hope he'll be the Al Gore of poverty!!

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::toast::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

[huskerlaw]

5. Can't he be the Al Gore of Poverty

from the office of the Vice President?

After all, that's where Al Gore got his voice on climate change...

[bobbolink]

17. NO, that is NOT where "Al Gore got his voice".

What is you big deal here, anyway?

Poverty isn't important to you, so what's your thing here?

[huskerlaw]

19. Wait a second

how did you come to the conclusion that poverty isn't important to me? I never said anything of the sort and frankly, that's completely false.

And yes, it is where Al Gore got his voice. Do you think anyone would care what he had to say if he had remained a Senator from Tennessee? Doubtful...or at least, not the same number of people.

[bobbolink]

21. If poverty WAS important to you, you wouldn't want him buried in a do-nothing, corporate

administration!

[huskerlaw]

23. Wow...

you know, Bobbolink, I respect you a lot. But to accuse me of not caring about poverty just because I disagree with you on how best John Edwards can advance his poverty agenda? That's beyond low, and entirely baseless.

[bobbolink]

25. Whatever.

Muting his voice isn't gonna help a damned thing.

Interesting you can't see it.

And interesting that you are so intense about this.

[Catchawave]

7. He officially declined VP awhile back, Obama and Hillary

really do need someone with CEO experience on the ticket (like a Richardson?). That's why I think McCain will pick a Gov too?

Personally, the Dems had their chance, and if they were smart they'd draft Gore/Edwards NOW !

[huskerlaw]

8. Yes, that he did...

but I think he could be convinced. Edwards has said that he dropped out to spare the country a divisive primary...I think he could be convinced to climb aboard to pull the Dems back together.

See, I hate to be this way, but I don't think he can pick Richardson. I don't think middle America is ready for a dual-minority ticket. And the problem with picking any other governor is that if this primary continues (as it appears it will), Obama isn't going to have time to SELL his running mate. He'll need to focus his energy on attacking McCain, not convincing the public that his VP choice was a good one.

That's why Edwards is perfect. He's been vetted by the process, he's well known and he's well liked. He can jump onto the campaign trail as though he never left it.

I know I'm biased, but I honestly can't think of a running mate that makes more sense.

[bobbolink]

18. "See, I hate to be this way"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[huskerlaw]

20. um...

ok? :shrug:

[saracat]

15. Never. He would demean himself.

[bobbolink]

22. Ain't gonna happen anyway. He has integrity, and knows what he's about.

This isn't about power for him.

As he said, he's gonna be OK -- it's the people he's concerned about.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

24. I don't think Edwards will go for the Veep spot --

and I don't think he should have to settle for the Veep spot.

[TexasBushwhacker]

32. I think he's made it clear he doesn't want it

but if he changed his mind, I'd be fine with it. I mean, let's face it, things are so screwed up now that they aren't going to get fixed in 8 years. So if he's VP for 2, then he's a shoe-in for his own 8 years. He's still a young man.

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[benny05]

33. Thanks but cannot sign

JRE has said NO many times, and he won't do it.

[balantz]

34. It says there are 36 replies to this OP.

What happened to the three missing posts?

[MissDeeds]

35. I wondered the same thing

Perhaps they were deleted for offensive content...?

[balantz]

36. It's the offensive content that I also like to include in my observations.

None of this censor bullshit!

[Horse with no Name]

37. Hell No

I wouldn't want Edwards slimed with what will undoubtedly be the worst Presidency except for Bush.

[benny05]

38. Why do I almost agree with your comment

I think that, but I also believe if he was to be named Poverty Czar, no Congress would deny him of that job, and if he wants it, wth?