Okay this is scary.Today Patrick Fitzgerald ties Obama to the Rezko scandal,

[saracat]

a prominent poll on Huffington states whites in the South are NOT voting for Obama, and we have some Nevada caucuses that are 100% for Obama? Is the Democratic Party suicidal? I am just sick about all this and very ,very scared.

[Plucketeer]

1. I wanna know

how hard it is to immigrate to Canada.

[saracat]

2. A I wanna know why Edwrds supporters are saying they were "tuned away at the caucuses!

[smokey nj]

6. Do you have any more info on this, saracat? Something smells FISHY!

[saracat]

14. No. It is on KOS.

[Andrea]

12. I hadn't heard that. Shades of FL '00

I could actually see how precincts could come out 100% for one candidate because of the screwy system there, but if this is true then the election was stolen.

[Critters2]

8. Well, I do know it's hard to transfer my ministerial credentials

to the United Church of Canada. I looked into it after the last election. But, more and more, I'm thinking I might enjoy delivering pizza. They eat pizza in Canada, right?

[Andrea]

11. Not too hard

I looked into it after 2004. I really don't want to go. I'm finally getting my life together here and live in a community I love, but I'm also very worried. You can get the exact details from Canadian government websites, but basically you need to speak either English or French well enough to pass a test, have a skill that makes you employable, already have a job lined up OR have money saved to support you until you get a job (IIRC, it is $10,000). I suppose there are other things, like no felonies or something, but basically that's it.

From my perspective, the hardest part is discerning when to go. I don't want to give up on the U.S. and go and then find out we were able to turn things around and restore the constitution, but I don't want to wait too long and then be unable to get out, or end up a political prisoner or something.

This sucks.

[AndyA]

3. Is this how the GOP plans on keeping the White House?

They let their media do a snow job on Obama, he gets the Dem nomination, then they hammer him 24/7 with this scandal.

I read he bought his house for $300,000 under market value, and this Rezko guy buys the lot next door at the same time, then later sells part of it to Obama.

This whole thing is beginning to stink.

[saracat]

4. Obama is a Chicago politician. He is not the naive little baby pol

his Kool Aid drinking supporters want to see.Rezko is "mob". Obama admits knowing him for years.He helped get him his start in the Ill Senate. Obama admits Michelle and Rezko wife are friends as well.This is not superficial.This is not going to be pretty.And as for the results today, I would be very ashamed of any "real" Dem who didn't question them. They are far to scequed to be acceptable.

This is like Daly machine politics , complete with threats.I think that is why John left early to go to SC and other places.One does not go from a "tie' to these kine of results.Many precincts were !00% for either Clinton or Obama? 100% ? Give me a break!

[sandyd921]

7. Yes, very strange!

n/t

[sandyd921]

9. Something funny going on?

"Many precincts were !00% for either Clinton or Obama? 100% ? Give me a break!"

Saracat do you have a link to the precinct results? If this is the case, there is something funny going on. I am 100% pro-union, but I wonder about deals made by the Obama and Clinton campaigns with the major unions. Even more maddening when John has been the real supporter of unions all along!

[NastyRiffraff]

5. This doesn't look good

It's almost impossible to believe anyone involved in Illinois politics wouldn't know or at least suspect what Rezko was. I don't dare post this on the Big Boards, because the Obama Kool Aid drinkers would call me a freeper. Not that I care, but I'm trying to ignore the noise level there.

I don't know how this will affect the Obama campaign; I suspect it will. The Saint Barack people will support him regardless, but I think it will cause some of the less committed or the leaners to rethink their upcoming votes in the primaries.

[Andrea]

10. Very Scary

I am getting more and more scared. For the last two years, the media has been shoving Hilary Clinton down our throats. I believe that is who the powerful Republicans want in. They knew that no Republican would have a good chance after Bush, so they decided which Dem candidate was most consistent with their agenda - or worst case scenario an active participant with them in driving their agenda. They picked her. Then they pushed their surrogates in the MSM to drive her campaign. They pushed Obama because a) he made a good story, b) they knew he was unelectable because of racist voters, c) they knew of his ties to Rezko (heck I heard about it myself over a year ago) and knew they could keep that in their back pockets to knock him out at the right time, or d) all of the above. The rest of the candidates were no concern to them except for Edwards. They knew Edwards could win, so they launched this media blackout.

Now the powerful Repubs who put Bush in have it just how they want it. The Dem candidate will be their pick: Clinton. As a free bonus, all this racial stuff between her and Obama and the fact she is so severely polarizing will have served to weaken the Democratic party at a time when we should be at our strongest. They can either keep hands off the Republican nomination process or push it the way they want it to go. I'll bet they want McCain. Every time I see that horrible photo from 2004 where McCain is all sweaty and hugging Bush while they stand on stage, I am completely convinced that McCain completely sold his soul to them. After what they did to him in 2000, they must have promised him something big to get his support (or else they threatened him). I'll bet they promised him the nom. So, general election time rolls around and both candidates are already in their pocket. This is very scary. Very, very bad.

I thought the voting process would be pretty safe in the primaries and they wouldn't start stealing votes until the general, but events in NH make it seem they may have started already, and this line of thinking makes me see why. It's safer for them to arrange for both candidates in the general to be THEIR candidates. They won't need to steal votes in the general and it won't matter if it is close enough to steal them. They do their dirty work in the early primaries, get all the Dem candidates except their girl out, and let the general go however it will.

I'm generally against third party candidates. Now I'm wondering if it is the only thing that will save us. If all these important endorsements are not going to John, even though it would seem natural that many of them would go his way (and I have heard whisperings that he is not well-liked among the Dems in Washington), maybe he has no real bridges left to burn by going third party. Something has to happen. This is really dangerous for our country. A Gore-Edwards third party ticket would be a huge winner - big enough to supersede vote stealing, I think.

I'm just worried sick.

[saracat]

13. Me too!

[lisainmilo]

15. It is what I was thinking awhile back.

They want a Clinton vs. Mc Cain ticket, I believe. Yes, I do believe some pretty powerful people, who put GWB in, are also controlling what is happening with this election. JRE was our hope, my hope. A true peoples president. The corporate world wide stage is now in fermenting. I don't know how the U.S. will fare. I seen an article some time ago titled something to the effect of, "Is the U.S. ready to be the next third world?"
Edwards was a threat to these corporate superduper corps. All this is just my opinion though, it's just how I see it. There is so so so much we do not know. What of course I do know and most of us here know, the corporations are not in our favor, noted by increased unemployment, jobs going overseas, housing market decline, goods going up. China rising and other 3rd world countries now taking the lead.
I am a Christian, I think about the bible and how it ties in with the current situation. JRE has been "fighting the good fight". That is how I see it, in effect, our fighting for JRE has been fighting the good fight too! I will continue to fight for JRE, but it does not look like a win. I honestly do not know who to support. Clinton as you have said and I believe is who the Republicans want. Obama, I don't know. He is naive. When I watched all three on the debates they all actually sounded good. I just don't know. I thought I would not vote, but to give up to the Republican party completely is not right.
I will look at Obama closer. I just don't know.

[saracat]

17. Obama is about to surface in a corruption case.And he is by no means squeaky clean.His "house" deal

with Rezko alone as well as his long time relationshipwith him is very suspect.And now Fitzgerald has named Obama it is going to be difficult for him to sqirm out of the allegations.

[knight_of_the_star]

16. Here's a thought

What do you think would happen if this makes him drop out before the convention and forego nomination? Do you think he would throw it to HRC?

[sandyd921]

18. Might not be a bad thing

as long as Obama drops out before the "s__t hits the fan". We'd then get a 2-way fight with Shillary with our guy as the real change agent that we know he is. I think the big qualifier here is the timing.

[Andrea]

19. At least that's something to hope for.

If things play out the way they look, we are in deep trouble.