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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:52 AM
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More for John Edwards now than ever.
Much more. Far more. Decidedly more. Committedly more.

I like his proposals. I like his positions. I like his staff. I like his state field captains. I love his volunteers. I like his wife. I like his kids. I like his dog.

One more thing I like about John Edwards is the class act supporters he has on DU's boards. People you are great Americans and real Americans and we're supporting a good man who'll be good for all Americans.

Onward & upward!
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:54 AM
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1. Good words at the right time, friend.
Americans will often disappoint, but the idea of America, never will.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:45 AM
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2. Well said friend.
You always cheer me up. :) :hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:14 PM
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3. Update for Sunday, January 20th --
I'm more for John Edwards today than I was yesterday.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:16 PM
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4. With tears in my eyes-
I am with you friend. My jaw is clenched, my muscles are taut, and I'm aching for a fight.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:23 PM
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5. We're all sharing those tears, but by god we also honor true and good-hearted
work.

You've done more than your share.

Go, Johnny, go!
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:50 PM
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6. yes
The more they beat us down, the more they reveal their true colors. The more they reveal their true colors - "the poor will always be with us and there is nothing we can do. Some people are just smarter at making money" one anti-Edwards person posted yesterday - the more the importance and necessity for Edwards message is reinforced. Now that this process has started, there is no going back.

The anti-Edwards people are hostile to the people, not to Edwards or us. Their strategy is to discourage, ridicule and confuse people so as to suppress participation and discussion, and to prevent outreach to the 80% or so of the people who are being left behind and left out.

Even here - where the people are mostly upscale and fairly well off and comfortable compared to the rest of the population - only a minority of people are saying "let them eat cake!" but they cast a huge shadow because they are so domineering and aggressive. Don't be fooled. They are speaking for only 10% of the population at most, and everything they are doing and saying is for the purpose of suppressing and intimidating people. They "win" if people get so disgusted and frustrated that they just give up because they can't stand the mean-spirited and vicious hostility any more.

Only one or two people, out of 100,000 or so people here - the inspirational example of bobbolink is who I am thinking of now - have the fortitude and stamina to hang in there and keep speaking out strongly for the poor and the forgotten. But that one lone voice represents millions of people who are invisible and never heard from. Don't ever doubt that.


Arguing with sandnsea on another thread, in response to this comment -

“We have so many programs now. It would take a while for the affects of even a depression to sink in. I think that's one reason we don't get the radical changes in politics anymore. Republicans have figured out the least amount to provide to keep people pacified.”

I responded with this story, and I wanted to make sure that you folks saw it -

People are not pacified. They are terrorized and beaten down and intimidated.

I think that too many better off and comfortable people don't even see most of their fellow citizens.

I remember talking to a Green party member a few years ago. I said that the Green party was completely out of touch with the everyday people, and that they were all professional suburban people in the upper 10% in household income. He denied it and said that where he was located, in Silicon Valley, most of the people there were software engineers, so naturally the Green party membership reflected that demographic.

I said I was familiar with the area, and I could assure him that someone there was cutting the lawns, someone was scrubbing the toilets, someone was cleaning the offices, hauling the trash, fixing the roads, laying the tile, driving cab, working the counter, washing the dishes, delivering the mail, working as night watchmen and security, repairing the cars, driving the trucks, mopping the floors, washing the windows, caring for the elderly, working EMS, stocking the shelves, working the warehouse, working the loading dock, filling the orders, doing the building wiring, replacing roofs, fighting fires, cleaning the sewers, and doing hundreds of other essential and thankless tasks.

I strongly believe that many better off people go through their day looking right through most of the people they encounter and not including them when they think of "us."
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:09 PM
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7. God, what a great post.
Thank you for that.

I am trying to envision the Green Party person you spoke with from Silicon Valley. I haven't been there exactly in a while, but from what I recall, it is a fairly high income area, or at least parts are. Not sure about the whole place. I know the upper Bay Area better, SF & Berkeley, which is a pretty diverse area.

Without castigating the entire media, I will say that a large part of the media ignore Edwards, and therefore I think we're right to assume that they ignore him because they don't want to confront the issues he carries to audiences. Povrty being the main one, although not the only one. The tv networks and cable networks sell advertising time so that people with enough cash can buy cars and houses and so forth. Edwards is speaking about social and economic issues that would involve and effect people who can't afford those cars and houses. Naturally, the network heavy-hitters don't like to be reminded of this disparity and so they respond by shoving him off too the side, the way our society shoves the people he's talking about to the side. Laborers, the unemployed, the uninsured, the cast-asides, the wage-earners, the blue-collar single moms and dads, and so on.

The networks abandon those issues and people the way George Bush abandoned New Orleans after Katrina.

The DUers you mentioned are class acts. Totally.

We're down in the delegate count, but we do have delegates, and we'll have some more after Feb. 5th. There's always a chance that one of the two frontrunners will drop out for who knows what reason, which would position John Edwards in second place, and that wouldn't be bad at all. And there's also a chance of a deadlocked ballot in Denver this fall, with the convention having to choose a compromise ticket. I don't see any reason why John Edwards would not be a first or second choice of a majority of delegates.

I want to live in John Edwards' America and not George Bush's America. For me, that's the general theme and that's how it boils down on every single issue. We're gonna stick with our guy.

I loved your post, Two Americas.





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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:17 PM
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8. Likewise from this desk!
There isn't anyone else I want to spend my votes on. There WERE others in the pack that I could have felt OK with, but they've either packed it in or their marginalized even worse than John. SO... while I never envisioned myself being so staunchly committed to ONE AIM ever in my life before, I have to follow thru or my word and my dreams are worthless.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:58 PM
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18. Classic case of a true blue voter. O, and did I mention that I love your
choice in candidates!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:41 PM
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9. What dog?
:shrug:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:14 PM
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10. Look, puppies!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:26 PM
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13. This observer is confused. I thought they had a golden retriever.
O well...
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:40 AM
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25. I see a beagle and a (probably) cocker spaniel - both very cute. :-) (n/t)
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:43 AM
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29. He can borrow my Golden
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 02:45 AM by Greylyn58
He loves John Edwards. :evilgrin:






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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:25 PM
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12. It's a golden retriever, isn't it? Anyway it's a hell of a great looking dog.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:41 PM
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15. I couldn't find the picture,
But yes, he does have a golden retiever.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:57 PM
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17. Whew! For a moment there I thought I must be having visual
hallucinations.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:30 AM
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20. halloween
That is a picture of their golden retriever going as a beagle for halloween.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:00 AM
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21. LOL! No visual hallucination jokes! I'm very fragile!
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:06 AM
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22. sorry
:)

Bad joke.
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:44 PM
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11. Me too, Old Crusoe!!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:29 PM
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14. hey there, smokey nj. The media are still pushing two leading candidates
and ignoring everyone else.

I guess for the Republicans they're doing slightly better, but not much.

It's kind of turning into a blur at one level. If John Edwards remains in the race through the convention, I think he arrives with a potent policy-impact number of delegates at the least.

I still think he can win the nomination and that's my strongly preferred outcome.

It's not really personal against the other candidates, but strongly in favor of Edwards.
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:44 PM
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16. Honestly OC, I don't see all that much difference between Clinton and Obama
that's why I always refer to them collectively as Barillary Clintbama. I'm afraid that Barillary Clintbama offers nothing but more of the same old crap. I too think John Edwards can still win the nomination. I think he MUST win the nomination if we are going to have any chance whatsoever to turn this country around.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:59 PM
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19. I've been a little jumpy over the intensity of division between those two.
I hope they can ratchet it down some. It's pretty intense out there.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:06 AM
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23. I am a true believe. I believe that there is a first time for everything. I believe
this race has as much potential for being an out-of-the-box-many-firsts.

John needs to hit a home run in the SC debate tonight.

Tonight will be a very reveling debate. Watch.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:12 AM
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24. OC - I sure do like you -
Thank you, and ditto on everything you said.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:26 PM
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26. We must not elect Obama. We must not elect Hillary.

In all my cells and bones I do not see a Presidency for either of these two candidates. What Obama says and what Clinton does..... nothing fits. Our alternative is right in front of us, and we all know that it's John Edwards.

But now we know that caucus members are being threatened with their jobs if they vote for Edwards, who is our only pro-union, pro-worker candidate.*



__________________________________________________________________
*Woman nurse caucus member who called into Stephanie Miller show this morning to relate what the corporations in Nevada were telling the voters.




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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 07:46 PM
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27. I couldn't agree with you more Ms. November!!!
I took my gloves off to respond. It's freakin' FREEZING here!!! :scared:
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:14 PM
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28. Oh no!

Sorry to hear that smokey nj!!! I hope you are warm enough by Malloy time! :hi:

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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:37 PM
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30. Hey Crusoe, need info
Since Biden is no longer in the race my choice has turned to Edwards. Decided to send a few dollars to him. What is the best way to contribute, his site or Act Blue? Does he get double what we donate?
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