After comments made yesterday by the Obamas and the nastiness exhibited by their campaign, I have

[saracat]

decided to do what I can in a limited way to make sure Obama is defeated.I have not been a huge fan of Hillary as everyone knows but this is my declaration of an ABO effort.I am disgusted that race and gender have been made an issue.This is counter to everything John stood for.But the overt sexism is too much for me to stomach. If racism is unacceptable so is sexism and contempt for gender.I do not expect either candidate to win the WH.We eliminated the candidate who might have done that.

[bobbolink]

1. What I saw at my abortive caucus last night convinced me they BOTH have paid shills working the

crowds!

When I couldn't find anyone to tell me WHERE the FUCK my precinct was, and I was surrounded by the goddamned sHILL and Obamanation signs everywhere, one person with an O. sticker asked me if I wanted one. I practically yelled at him that I was there for Edwards only, and what I wanted was to find my damned precinct, and what the fuck was wrong with all of them who couldn't be bothered.

His reply?

"I'm not here for to vote. I'm only here passing out these stickers."

Now, is that the sign of a paid shill?

[waiting for hope]

2. The more I see of Obama -

the less I like and the more I like Clinton. At least with her, we'll know what we paid for. And, she did ask for our vote, I heard her after John was in New Orleans - I think Obama could care less and that he thinks he's above us. Fuck him. Seriously, fuck him. I think there is something that really stinks with him, and the public won't see it until it's too late.

[bobbolink]

3. "the public won't see it until it's too late."

that's exactly right, and I don't care anymore.

Let them be fooled, let the party go down in flames.

I see it with my situation.. I can talk and talk, I can beg and plead, I can cry, I can remove myself from the fucking planet.

NOTHING WILL WAKE PEOPLE UP UNTIL THEIR OWN FUCKING NOSES ARE RUBBED IN IT!

:cry:

[ChiciB1]

39. As Usual You Are "Spot On!" Let's Get Busy With The Edwardians

and OUR OWN BLOG!! I'm getting ready to PM as many of you as I can. Just waiting for some extra information!!

[bobbolink]

43. Well, I'm not worthy to be accepted there, so I'll pass.

And, some of my friends were blackballed, so...

I'm just not into that kind of teaparty game.

Have at it, if you wish, but I don't see anything happening there except more of the same elite stuff.

[Andrea]

56. Bobbie

I'm sorry you haven't been happy, but as you know, neither you nor anyone else has been blackballed.

[bobbolink]

58. I'm sure you want that image in public, but that is NOT the case.

And, if you are sincerly sorry, you would have answered my posts to you.

I guess it was inevitable that the class conflict would erupt here... but it's very sad.

But, all of you are very happy in your own little private party.

It must be nice.

[kelligesq]

61. wow. that's a pretty shocking condemnation. You're just having a bad month. (:

[kelligesq]

4. ditto. One thing about the Clintons - they know poor - he never

earned more than 35,000 a year until he went to the white house.
I gather her legal work supported them , but I'm not sure about that.
She did not come from wealth and her father would not pay for her college. didnt want her to go. She's come a long way baby.

Of course Bill now makes millions with books and speeches BUT he has used his celebrity to help poor people around the world...aids, affordable medicines, his pass=it=on KIva bank. Bill created 22 million jobs.

One thing is for sure, Katrina would not have happened the way it did and would not still be festering if Fema was still under the Clinton Administration at the time.

Obama has worked for black people most of his career. Period. There are other people out here. For a young man he has lived pretty high off the hog in his career in Chicago and now in DC. Somehow those dont look like cheap suits he's wearing.What has Obama created?

So I think you're right . And I think they (Clintons) would be more accessible.
They've certainly known suffering all of their life until after the White House.
I know the street in Chappaqua his house is on- yes big older house, but very unpreposing and less than impressive street. Dont know her house in DC.

I agree. I could never and would never vote or support Obama
Something is hidden that we haven't seen although I think we get glimpses of his
callousness. I've seen Michelle's mouth twisted in meanness and I dont like that one bit. Seems to me they've had it pretty easy.


I surely hope JOhn doesnt give him an endorsement.

[waiting for hope]

6. Me too - And I've read in about a

dozen places that he's miffed because John hasn't endorsed him yet...Please, John does not owe him ANYTHING. I would love it if he didn't endorse. He is pretty open about his supporters making us their own minds, and he's said over and over, if you won't vote for someone because of their gender or color, than he doesn't want that vote.

[vireo]

32. Did you hear the caller from Chicago on Mike Malloy last night?

He was all pissed at Edwards for not endorsing Obama. He even said he hated him for it, at which point Malloy jumped in to defend Edwards, saying "you're talking about my man there."

So this guy, "Prince," goes on to say that when Obama has a big lead it will be too late for Edwards to endorse. Well, if they're so confident in Obama's inevitability why do they give a damn what Edwards does?

[bobbolink]

22. AND... Bill didn't screw poor women and children with his welfare deform bill...

OH WAIT!

:mad:

[kelligesq]

62. maybe he didnt . A lot of people are so bogged down in their morass, they dont know how to get up

and out of it.

for those that could, he provided opportunities to get training in something
for two years. And to get out of the house and off the couch watching Oprah.

Oprah sure didn't sit on her ass in front of a television.

Being a welfare recipient became a way of life passed down from generation to generation. And that's the truth

Not all people on welfare is that true of but for a large percentage it was.

[Catchawave]

9. Ditto, what she said :)

:hi:

I'm having problems with the Obama likability factor, much less, he doesn't "rock my world". I think there's a serious effort to squash the Clintons, which BO has no control over. The Old Guard is much too involved with him.

One JE supporter on another forum put it simply, I want the Shark(Hillary), not the bait(Obama). So I do lean Hillary, less negatives, and I do want to vote FOR someone.

[Silver Gaia]

15. Yes to this, too: The involvement of the Old Guard is of concern.

There is some reason, apparently, why they want to take Hillary down and they are attempting to pull out all the stops to do this. I trust her more than them.

You know there HAVE to be things about Obama (even beyond Rezko) that we are, as yet, unaware of, but that they know about, and I fear that the smear campaign and swiftboating will be quick and merciless should he become the nominee. They will eat him and his hope alive. Now, we take a chance on this with Hillary's "baggage," too, but it seems to me that hers is known baggage. They've had umpteen years to bring her down, and haven't succeeded yet. There is another factor I think about here, too. The general public is sick to death of hearing about the "Clinton stuff." Whatever they dredge up about Obama will be fresh and new, and titillating to those who get off on such things. Anything on Hillary will, I figure, just be the "same old, same old," and therefore, boring to most people, BUT the American public loves a fresh scandal, and anything on Obama will be NEW and "exciting" to this sort of person. This worries me, too.

[RestoreGore]

5. We are on the same page here

I don't agree with her policies but I see the sexism and it bothers me. And I see the same thing about Obama. He thinks he is the second coming of Christ, and his supporters think he is too and it turns me off bigtime.

[AndyA]

7. So I'm not alone then in thinking that Dr. Obama's Traveling Salvation Show

is just a rerun of George Bush's personality?

Arrogant, self centered, snippy, snide, hypocritical, childish, spoiled.

Hmmm...yeah, I want more of that in the White House, because the last 7 years have been so f*cking wonderful.

:sarcasm:

[Seabiscuit]

8. Don't forget entitled and self-indulged. Barack is really showing us who he is.

I'm getting so sick of his same old tired "fire me up" speeches. I'm still looking and waiting for substance. Lately, he's taken to attacking the Clintons but he can't seem to dig deep and discuss the issues and how he will fix them or make it better.

[Catchawave]

10. BINGO ! Thank you Andy....

I see the Bush cockiness too. I can't stand Michele, she's a Theresa Kerry Lite. Cute kids though, I do try and say something nice :D

[Andrea]

12. "Dr. Obama's Traveling Salvation Show"

I love that! Good one!

I feel the same. They had so many clips of him on NPR this morning and I kept thinking, when is he going to SAY something?

I know anyone who runs for president has to have a very healthy ego, but it seems worse in someone so young and relatively inexperienced (and I'm his age).

[Silver Gaia]

14. Yes, you are absolutely NOT alone in this!

I see this, too, very clearly.

[bpeale]

17. i had just about made up my mind to sit out this election...

until i heard michelle obama's remarks about having to think long & hard about whether she would support HRC if she was the nominee. that kinda stuck with me & irritated me. and there are other things. there is just something off about obama that i can't quite put my finger on. and michelle obama has a chip on her shoulder that she is daring someone to knock off. i don't think i want someone like that in the white house. been there. done that. don't want to do it again.

i've decided to support HRC because anyone is better than obama. he will finish george's job i fear.

[readmoreoften]

19. Not even a little bit alone.

He carries himself with Bush's arrogance and seems to have Bush's PR group running his campaign.

[Hermes Daughter]

23. Propaganda and the language of socialist realism...

This is the language Obama wallows in. Madison Ave. Hitler. Stalin. Leni Riefenstal. These are/were the masters. The only thing the "Traveling Salvation Show" doesn't have yet is goose stepping (although his supporters seems to mentally goose step).

The latest shocker that sent chills down my spine was: "We're the Ones we've been waiting for." CROWD SCREAMS!

Did anyone get that? I froze when I heard it. "All fired up, ready to go!" WHERE? Oh, and "turn the page." What page? Even Kerry and Kennedy used that expression when they endorsed him. I thought, what are they reading? The latest Harry Potter? Maybe J.K. Rowling should get up there and endorse him if they want to "turn a page."

I am totally creeped by Oprah and her deliberate illusions to scripture and the way O's voice changes drastically from silky southern preacher to Harvard intellectual, depending on who the crowd is. I keep thinking of Brutus: Brutus is an honorable man. Brutus isn't ambitious, he's an honorable man... :sarcasm:

But watch the language. The hollow words that never go anywhere. There's something really wrong...

[MissDeeds]

34. You nailed it

There is something off in this whole Obama mania. There is no substance to his speeches, only motivational rhetoric that whips the crowds into a frenzy. Did you notice when he was addressing supporters following his wins in Super Tuesday that he READ his remarks? Read them! Why?

And the revival preacher cadence to his speech at times really creeps me out. Oprah does that too when she's appearing with him. What's that all about? Are they trying to channel Martin Luther King, Jr.? It is just too bizarre.

It all doesn't add up. The man hasn't even served one full term in the Senate. As much as I dislike HRC (and boy do I dislike HRC), she realized that she needed to serve more than one term before entering the presidential race. It's almost like he was selected and groomed for this run.

I don't like either of our candidates, and feel strongly that there is a lot more there than meets the eye with both of them - and it isn't good.

Oh, and by the way, welcome to DU, Hermes Daughter
:hi:

[vanboggie]

11. It took me awhile

I'm not supporting either one, but there's something about Obama that has always bothered me. I think it's arrogance, along with him talking a lot but really saying nothing. It's my hope when I have to vote in November, it will be Hillary I have to vote for. I'm with you guys in the fact that Hillary/the Clintons are a known quantity.

[Silver Gaia]

16. Yep. Interesting that most here are seeing/feeling the same things. n/t

[bpeale]

18. and he's been taking pot shots at Edwards too & that really

gets on my one & only last nerve.

[Catchawave]

21. Mocking JE in a speech after the campaign ended :(

So much for Hope, Change and Unity.

[bpeale]

30. that's just one of many reasons i can't & won't support obama

[Silver Gaia]

13. This is a reply to the posts that were present here when I began writing my response,...

saracat wrote:
After comments made yesterday by the Obamas and the nastiness exhibited by their campaign, I have decided to do what I can in a limited way to make sure Obama is defeated.I have not been a huge fan of Hillary as everyone knows but this is my declaration of an ABO effort.I am disgusted that race and gender have been made an issue.This is counter to everything John stood for.But the overt sexism is too much for me to stomach. If racism is unacceptable so is sexism and contempt for gender.I do not expect either candidate to win the WH.We eliminated the candidate who might have done that.

I’m glad to see this thread here, sara. I’m with you on this. There are things I don’t like about both Obama and Hillary, but the negatives for me with Obama far outweigh Hillary’s negatives by comparison. I am also disgusted by the tenor of the remarks of many of his supporters, and the nasty, divisive tone of his campaign in general. (A “uniter”? Where have we heard that before? I knew it was bullshit then, and I can see it clearly for what it is this time, too.) As for the misogyny we are seeing and hearing, I am likewise totally disgusted with this. We’ve fought too long and too hard for this to be rearing its ugly head AGAIN at this point in time. My 27-year-old daughter, and my 74-year-old mother (who proudly told me this morning that she voted for Hillary) both feel and see the same. We are three generations of women united in this. And for the record, my husband stands with us, too.

waiting for hope wrote:
The more I see of Obama - the less I like and the more I like Clinton. At least with her, we'll know what we paid for. And, she did ask for our vote, I heard her after John was in New Orleans - I think Obama could care less and that he thinks he's above us. Fuck him. Seriously, fuck him. I think there is something that really stinks with him, and the public won't see it until it's too late.

…

… And I've read in about a dozen places that he's miffed because John hasn't endorsed him yet...Please, John does not owe him ANYTHING. I would love it if he didn't endorse. He is pretty open about his supporters making us their own minds, and he's said over and over, if you won't vote for someone because of their gender or color, than he doesn't want that vote.

Yes. I agree here, too. I also think that something stinks. Big-time. And, I have to say, my mother told me, unsolicited this morning, that he “scares” her, too. There is something wrong here, an undercurrent behind the façade, that many of us are sensing. I trust that. I also hope that John does not endorse anyone. That would be the far more dignified course for him to take. If he were to endorse Obama, my disillusionment would be magnified a hundredfold. I do not trust Obama, nor do I like him. It’s a gut reaction that, when combined with my rational assessment of him (the lack of substance/specifics, the ever-present and ultimately ambiguous meme of “hope” and “change” --change from what to what? I ask, and hear no answer) and the blind devotion of his followers/devotees, fuels my distrust and my dislike of him. His motives are veiled.

kelligesq wrote:
ditto. One thing about the Clintons - they know poor - he never earned more than 35,000 a year until he went to the white house.
I gather her legal work supported them , but I'm not sure about that.
She did not come from wealth and her father would not pay for her college. didnt want her to go. She's come a long way baby.

Of course Bill now makes millions with books and speeches BUT he has used his celebrity to help poor people around the world...aids, affordable medicines, his pass=it=on KIva bank. Bill created 22 million jobs.

One thing is for sure, Katrina would not have happened the way it did and would not still be festering if Fema was still under the Clinton Administration at the time.

Obama has worked for black people most of his career. Period. There are other people out here. For a young man he has lived pretty high off the hog in his career in Chicago and now in DC. Somehow those dont look like cheap suits he's wearing.What has Obama created?

So I think you're right . And I think they (Clintons) would be more accessible.
They've certainly known suffering all of their life until after the White House.
I know the street in Chappaqua his house is on- yes big older house, but very unpreposing and less than impressive street. Dont know her house in DC.

I agree. I could never and would never vote or support Obama
Something is hidden that we haven't seen although I think we get glimpses of his
callousness. I've seen Michelle's mouth twisted in meanness and I dont like that one bit. Seems to me they've had it pretty easy.

I surely hope JOhn doesnt give him an endorsement.

These are good points, too. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I can add here that I grew up in Hot Springs, Arkansas. Bill went to the same small high school where my mother graduated. I know well the neighborhoods where Bill grew up, and there is nothing fancy there. Not that this speaks to Hillary’s upbringing, but I think it is still relevant to the issue. And I have to agree that there is poverty all over America that Obama does not seem to acknowledge. You are correct that something “not pretty” is hidden, simmering under the carefully constructed exterior, that we get occasional glimpses of, and it is apparent to me in Michelle, too.

Thank you for sharing what you did about Hillary’s father and his refusal to pay for her college education. I did not know this, but I can accept and believe it because my own father told me a very similar thing: that he could not possibly afford to pay for my education when he had sons to worry about. He could’ve just told me we couldn’t afford it, period, which was probably closer to the real truth, but for some reason, even though he didn’t mean to, he made me feel “less” for being female. He apologized many years later for his insensitivity and lack of forethought, and I have forgiven him, but I did not forget it. It has taken me a long, long time, but I did it anyway. I will owe for this when all is said and done, and I fear for my ability to pay back what I owe under the current and impending economic disaster, but I graduated summa cum laude at the age of 53, and am now in grad school. Yes, WE’VE come a long way, baby!

Restore Gore wrote:
We are on the same page here I don't agree with her policies but I see the sexism and it bothers me. And I see the same thing about Obama. He thinks he is the second coming of Christ, and his supporters think he is too and it turns me off bigtime.

This messianic fever bothers me greatly. I watched his speech last night and it troubled me. Have any of you ever spent time in an old-time sort of church? I have. So has my mother, and she saw this, too, last night. He was preaching. He spoke in that cadence, with carefully crafted lines designed to get a response. He would speak, then pause, and the crowd would respond with “testifying.” They might as well have been shouting out “Praise Jesus (oh, I mean, Obama)!” or “Amen, brother!” just like in church. The feeling, and the effect, was the same. This, combined with his vague, undefined promises of "change," is VERY alarming to me. I enjoy a powerful speaker (both Kucinich and Edwards, for instance), but this apparent melding of politics with religion worries me a great deal. If nothing else, it is exploitive, and that bothers me, too.

bobbolink wrote:
What I saw at my abortive caucus last night convinced me they BOTH have paid shills working the crowds!

When I couldn't find anyone to tell me WHERE the FUCK my precinct was, and I was surrounded by the goddamned sHILL and Obamanation signs everywhere, one person with an O. sticker asked me if I wanted one. I practically yelled at him that I was there for Edwards only, and what I wanted was to find my damned precinct, and what the fuck was wrong with all of them who couldn't be bothered.

His reply?

"I'm not here for to vote. I'm only here passing out these stickers."

Now, is that the sign of a paid shill?

…

"the public won't see it until it's too late." that's exactly right, and I don't care anymore.

Let them be fooled, let the party go down in flames.

I see it with my situation.. I can talk and talk, I can beg and plead, I can cry, I can remove myself from the fucking planet.

NOTHING WILL WAKE PEOPLE UP UNTIL THEIR OWN FUCKING NOSES ARE RUBBED IN IT!

I am so sorry you had such a bad experience yesterday. I wish there was something I could say or do, to help you find something to feel better about, but I don’t think you want that from me. I understand your disillusionment and disappointment, though, for whatever that is worth.

[troubleinwinter]

20. Obama attended a very elite academy 5th through 12th grade in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Though his family were not wealthy (he was on scholarship), he attended school with the elite, rich, and 'entitled'. I have known many kids attending that school, and I sure know where he gets his attitude of superiority and entitlement.

I can't figure out where this preacher-speak style came from. He did not grow up in a black communtiy, none of his family was the least religious, not father, step-father, mother or nor grandparents who largely raised him. It seems to be affected and deliberately crafted.

I didn't think it was possible for me to support a Dem any less than HC, until I really took a close look at BO.

[Andrea]

25. Interesting details, thanks

I didn't know anything about that school.

Also, you said: "I can't figure out where this preacher-speak style came from." I've noticed that, too. Even a few months ago he wasn't talking like that. He seems to put it on more and more the media attention he gets.

He must have figured that if W could put on a fake Texas twang, he could put on a fake preacher's style.

[troubleinwinter]

27. He seems to put on a lot:

Obama has claimed on numerous occasions to have become fluent in Indonesian in six months. Yet those who knew him disputed that during recent interviews.

Israella Pareira Darmawan, Obama's 1st-grade teacher, said she attempted to help him learn the Indonesian language by going over pronunciation and vowel sounds. He struggled greatly with the foreign language, she said, and with his studies as a result.

Teachers, former playmates and friends recall a boy who never fully grasped their language and who was very quiet as a result.

Obama's book, "Dreams"

In the book, Obama discusses race and racism at his high school with one other Punahou student, "Ray," the young black man described in detail in "Dreams" as perpetually angry at the white world around him. "It's their world, all right," Ray supposedly shouts at Obama. "They own it and we in it. So just get the f--- outta my face."

But Kakugawa, in the interview Saturday, said Obama's recollection of that conversation was mistaken. "I did say we were playing in their world," he explained, "but that had nothing to do with race. He knew that."

Kakugawa explained that he had meant they were playing in the world of the elite people who populated and ran Punahou (the elite private prep academy his mother moved him back to Hawaii to attend) --famous Hawaiian families like the Doles, owners of the pineapple fortune, or the original developers of Waikiki, the tourist mecca. "It just wasn't a race thing," he reiterated again and again.

Obama confirmed in an interview earlier this month that the Ray character in "Dreams" actually is Kakugawa.

In another passage from the book, Ray complains that white Punahou girls don't want to date black guys and that he and Obama don't get enough playing time as athletes, speculating that they'd be "treated different if we was white. Or Japanese. Or Hawaiian. Or f------ Eskimo."

But Kakugawa, a convicted drug felon, said Saturday that he had never been the "prototypical angry black guy" that Obama portrays. Because of his biracial heritage, he said, he was "like everyone in Hawaii, a mix of a lot of things."

A close friend and track teammate of Kakugawa, John Hagar, also said he was surprised by Obama's description of the character representing Kakugawa as an angry young black man. "I never picked up on that," Hagar said. "He was just one of those perfect (ethnic) mixes of everything you see in Hawaii."

He (Kakugawa) said he does recall long, soulful talks with the young Obama and that his friend confided his longing and loneliness. But those talks, Kakugawa said, were not about race. "Not even close," he said, adding that Obama was dealing with "some inner turmoil" in those days.

"But it wasn't a race thing," he said. "Barry's biggest struggles then were missing his parents. His biggest struggles were his feelings of abandonment. The idea that his biggest struggle was race is bull."

Then there's the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs don't exist, say the magazine's own historians.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0703250359mar25,0,4596397.story?page=4

[Andrea]

31. Wow, thanks

I think it is really significant that it is his hometown newspaper that is bringing this all out.

I'm going to go and read that whole article. Thanks for posting the info here.

It's really distressing to see people responding to him the way people respond to a cult leader. I hope that more facts about him get out before people are too caught up in what essentially seems to be a personlaity cult and become unable to hear facts or extricate themselves from it.

[troubleinwinter]

36. That's why this Edwards group is such an oasis!

[kelligesq]

63. wow. sounds pathological !

[flyarm]

52. oh and when he was in South Carolina he put on a fake southern drawl..

I was amazed by it!!...as southern as it could get!!

i didn't know they speak that way in hawaii..and especially from that school..my best friends son goes to that school now!!

amazing..or amazing grace as done by Obama..

fly...now drag that out southern style..flyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Andrea]

57. I've noticed that, too

Talk about pandering! I think it's really an insult to the people he's speaking to. I don't like it when anyone does that.

[Hermes Daughter]

24. Good analysis, Joolz

...this apparent melding of politics with religion worries me a great deal. If nothing else, it is exploitive, and that bothers me, too.

Not to be too one-note, but this is the way the Nazis took over Germany. The "religion" (complete with Gods and Goddesses) they used was ancient Norse (Wagner promoted it in his operas) and Hitler used it masterfully in his "fired up, ready to go" rants meant to UNITE the scattered Germans, all the while invoking Valhalla.

[knight_of_the_star]

26. I'm half-way with you saracat

I just don't like either one. I cast my vote proudly for Edwards and I wouldn't change that no matter what. With Obama it feels like we're getting a phony huckster, with Clinton it feels like we'll get someone with one finger held in the wind at all times, no matter what it feels like the only difference that I can see between the two candidates is the difference between being cooked and fried.

[chimpymustgo]

28. When Obama referred to "trial lawyers", I KNEW he was a phony shill. Thank you all for sharing your

concerns. I have felt so alone. As a black woman, I have a hard time expressing these reservations to my friends. They are ALL on the Obama bandwagon because he is black. And they are inspired. My black friends truly want to BELIEVE. My white friends - I don't think they'd dare say it, but I think they have "liberal guilt". Both these groups so desperately want to support the black man, and believe the dream - that they won't look past the surface. Everyone wants to feel good, and feel hope. And so, Dr. Obama's Traveling Salvation Show becomes the sold-out, SRO event of the year.

Whenever we get these glimpses into Obama's true self (the "snub", the pettiness, the whining), it's frightening and saddening. The true believers REFUSE to look at it.

And his supporters - the ones here are DU, anyway - are overwhelmingly braying, bragging bullies. It is impossible to engage them. I take so much pride in the way Edwards supporters conduct themselves - we are devoted to our candidate, but we don't feel the need to denigrate other candidates or their supporters, simply to try to advance our own cause.

Thank God for this forum, and for you guys. I have barely posted in GDP since John announced he was suspending his campaign. My primary is on the 12th. I was committed to voting for Edwards, and still might. But I think of voting for Hillary, just to stem the tide of Obamanation (to the extent my little vote in DC will matter at all). And part of me wants to vote for the black man, as I did for Jesse Jackson, back in the 80's.

I'll post more here over the weekend, and I look forward to talking to all of you guys. You are so "the best".

[bpeale]

33. i have just one question...

is there an icon we can all agree on to use so we recognize each other in the other forums when we post. one that would indicate we can engage & have an intelligent conversation with. i would hate to accidentally put any of you on my ignore list. you're all great people to know & love!

[kelligesq]

60. Very Very prescient of you. You see through him as

many of us do. I keep waiting for the mask to come off to see who he really
is - because what he;s presenting as doesnt ring true.

Welcome and keep posting.

[waiting for hope]

29. Everything needs to see this -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4451617&mesg_id=4451617

It's not just us -

[Yael]

35. My choices are getting even more limited now

Looking at the remaining candidates, I miss John -- more than ever.

I don't judge a candidate by their supporters, but their actions.

After yesterday's announcement, I am committed against Hillary now. She was always a very distant 4th for me, so this isn't a surprise -- but I did take an honest relook. I know that is going to upset some of you, and that is not my intent. The fact that she is asking her middle class (and working poor) supporters to donate $5 million to repay her personal bank account was about the most un-Edwardsian thing I can even imagine. Add to that the lack of disclosure and the ethics implications are simply more than I can stomach.

Fortunately, I still have a vote coming up -- and at this point, it is still for John. I don't want to have to vote against her, but I will if it comes to that.

:grouphug:

[MissDeeds]

37. It is very difficult to select a second choice

In the 2004 election, I liked Edwards, and Dean, and came to accept Kerry because Edwards became part of the ticket. I felt that if I didn't have my first choice, then I could go to candidate number two or number three. But in this election, there is no number two for me. I'm stuck at number one. Our two remaining candidates are nowhere near Edwards, in so many, many ways. I wish I could say it's okay that he's out, that I'll get on the HRC or BO bandwagon, but at this point I can't. This election is so very important for our nation, and I am completely underwhelmed with our remaining candidates.

[iris5426]

38. Yes that's exactly how I feel nt

[ChiciB1]

40. I Haven't Watched MSM & Haven't Checked Many Threads Lately...

so can someone "clue" me in??

Thanks!

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. I have made it my mission to defeat Obama. He lied and because of his lie, he thwarted Edwards bid

for the Presidency, imho. So I will do all I can to make sure he doesn't win the Dem nomination.

[flyarm]

53. thank you..i feel the same way..he bold faced lied..and still does! eom

[BuelahWitch]

42. Another thread that was in the Astrology group

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x62131#62276

It eventually got locked, but it still shows that others are bothered by the Obama campaign.

[CaptJasHook]

44. I am back to undecided without Edwards

in the race. I am also visitiing DU a lot less because it has ceased to be informative and has become a useless series of he said/she said, he sucks for reason X/she sucks for reason X. There are very few positive threads to join without some intrusive troll.

I can't really trust DUers to be who they say they are, because if so many DU folk are this nasty, petty, and Rovesque, then I can no longer consider myself a Progressive.

That being said, the only threads I actually enjoy reading are the John Edwards threads. ;)

By the way, before I stated that my only concern was that we get as many Democratic supporters as possible to show up to the polls and support local candidates and issues. Now I am not so sure. If the cost of having local support is putting another unsubstinative (sp), charming fascist (with Democratic credentials) in the WH, then I must retract my statement. The common people loved Mussolini, the Bolsheviks, and Adolf. They showed up in droves to support them and in the process, fucked themselves.

Sigh! Has anyone else lately developed the habit of standing their passport up on their desk and staring for long periods of time????

[Catchawave]

45. I know how you feel :(

:hug:

I've gone to the Hillary and Obama supporters groups to learn more, I like the people who hang with Hillary, Obama, not so much.

I'm trying to keep an open mind, ask questions and hope I don't get a snotty reply.

Other blogs are much the same as this one as far as supporter behavior. Can't trust the media spin.....damn hard to commit I tell ya :hi:

[Andrea]

46. I just realized last night

that I have to renew my passport this year. No way I'm going to let that baby lapse!

[Crunchy Frog]

47. Gosh, for and Edwards supporters group

you guys sure spend alot of time talking about Obama and his supporters.

[troubleinwinter]

48. Yeah, we do discuss a lot about candidates, don't we. How 'bout that.

[CaptJasHook]

49. Back off

This is an Edwards support group. We don't need your snide negativity here.

[dajoki]

50. So what? n/t

[Name removed]

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[readmoreoften]

55. Not much to say about Obama, but many of his supporters are the worse kind of people.

Self-righteous, lazy, worshippers who engage in group-think and fantasize about a savior who's going to do all the hard work of putting the country back together--no more activism, no more tough stands for what is right. Just good vibes, commercialism, magic, hysteria.

The same bullshit that got us Bush will get us Obama.

[flyarm]

51. dang i just found you guys!!! hell yesterday i was called a socialist !!~

because i disagreeed with what Obama is doing and acting..


please help us folks..i got an email from some Edwards volunteer folks who saw the same stuff i did in Iowa at caucus's in other places..if you know of anyone going to caucus in any state..have people take movie cameras to the parking lots and get alot of footage ..look for wierd goings on..drunks..college age kids coming in by vans..etc..please get any of the rest of that states doucumented in the parking lots of the precincts!!

I will not go into detail of what i saw..Edwards people know..that is all i will say...

but please get cameras into the parking lots of Caucus's!!

thanks..

fly

[bobbolink]

59. Hey, I'd be proud to be called a socialist! It's a badge of honor.

:)

But, then, I have no use for DINOs who use it as a perjorative term.