and flamebaiting..
on one post the other day there was an opinion question about shuster directly asking the opinion of Edwards supporters..i gave my opinion.,.and then for 10 posts was called every name under the sun..i said that is it..
as a Volunteer for Edwards in Iowa and SC i saw nothing but fucking cheating by the Obama camp..
and now they want me to kiss his ring..fuck that..
I saw my co-workers killed by the incopetance of this admins in the white house..i have seen the lies and cheating..and i see nothing but the same from the Obama side ..and i will not support or vote for anyone..be they R or D that cheats and lies.
i am done with that bullshit and have fought against the lies..
so no i will not support any damn liar i don't care what letter is behind their name..i can not swallow that for another day.
i am damn sick and tired of getting our brains beat in by these oabam peole..most of who do not even know what events started this war of lies..because they are 1. too young or 2. too damn ignorant or 3. they are sheeple just like little lord pissy pants kool aide drinkers..no thanks i have seen enough of this shit in my lifetime ..and i will not swallow any more of it.
so if Edwards Endorses Obama..i guess i will just have to kiss off what i donated..but i assure you Edwards people knew stuff about Obama..and if Edwards endorses Obama...then John is not the man i thought he was..and 2...then he doesn't know what all the lawyers who volunteered for him know!
that is all i will say about that.
oh and i don't even like Hillary..but Obama is even worse to me.
just check some of this out..
Chicago Sun-Times: FBI "logged frequent visits to Rezko from... U.S. Sen. Barack Obama" A bit of background from one of the men responsible Tony Rezko's FBI surveillance:
My life as an FBI mole
FBI PROBE | Real estate broker convicted of fraud becomes a mole for feds to nail Rezko
February 10, 2008
BY DAVID ROEDER Staff Reporter / droeder@suntimes.com
...Thomas wouldn't discuss details of his work for the FBI.
But sources said that, for more than two years when he was giving information to agents, Thomas provided a fly-on-the-wall look inside Rezko's real estate operations and his desperate attempts to keep his projects afloat.
Sources said Thomas also logged frequent visits to Rezko from Gov. Blagojevich and U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). Blagojevich and Obama were among the many politicians for whom Rezko raised campaign cash....
More:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/786015,CST-NWS-mo... Would be interesting to know what he means by "frequent", and whether any transcripts exist of the Obama/Rezko conversations.
now check this out!!..seems this investigation has been going on a long time,...and in the itrim..obama has taken money from an indicted crook to run his campaign...look for highlighted area..
The man behind CIA leak inquiry / Special prosecutor said to be immune to political pressure
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/10/23/MNGAQFCQJ61.DTLThe man behind CIA leak inquiry
Special prosecutor said to be immune to political pressure
Edward Epstein, Chronicle Washington Bureau
Sunday, October 23, 2005
(10-23) 04:00 PST Washington -- When runners in Chicago's legal community finished their annual 5-kilometer Race Judicata this past August, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald had done quite respectably. But while the other runners gathered to kibitz over post-race beers on a Thursday evening, the driven Fitzgerald returned to his Loop offices to put in more hours.
That in a nutshell is the 44-year-old Fitzgerald, the little-known special prosecutor at the center of the investigation into the public disclosure of CIA operative Valerie Plame. Acquaintances, colleagues and legal observers describe Fitzgerald, the 6-foot, 2-inch tall, still-slim former rugby player, as a straight arrow, a workaholic dedicated to doing the right thing.
And, they added, he doesn't concern himself with the political fallout.
So far, he has led the CIA-leak special investigation, which involves top aides to President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, without becoming a lightning rod for partisan criticism as did special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh in the Iran-Contra probe of President Ronald Reagan's administration and Kenneth Starr in his dogged legal pursuit of President Bill Clinton. All the while, he has continued as U.S. attorney in Chicago, a busy job that has him overseeing another politically charged case -- the prosecution on corruption charges of former Republican Gov. George Ryan.
The Plame case, which could produce indictments of such top Bush administration figures as Karl Rove, the president's top political aide, and Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, could damage Bush's second term and fuel Democratic hopes of retaking Congress in the November 2006 midterm elections.
Fitzgerald's investigation has also thrown Washington's chattering class of pundits and political junkies into a tizzy because of the unusually leak-free way in which he has conducted the probe since launching it in December 2003. A capital where leaks and political gossip are like mother's milk finds itself on a starvation diet.
"I think he is on a search for the truth. It leads where it leads and he does not care where,'' said Los Angeles real estate lawyer Anthony Bouza, a Fitzgerald friend since their undergraduate days at Amherst College in Massachusetts in the late 1970s and early '80s. After graduating Phi Beta Kappa, Fitzgerald went on to Harvard Law School and spent a few years in private practice before launching a career as a federal prosecutor that has taken him to top posts in New York City and Chicago.
"He does not have a political agenda,'' Bouza said. So much so that Fitzgerald is registered as a voter without party affiliation in Illinois.
In December 2003, Fitzgerald, who is single, was appointed by Deputy Attorney General James Comey as special counsel in the Plame case. He began investigating allegations that Bush administration officials revealed the identity of a covert CIA operative in an effort to embarrass Plame's husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, because he had emerged as an outspoken critic of Bush's decision to attack Iraq.
During the investigation, Fitzgerald sought to get reporters to testify to the grand jury about who told them Plame was a CIA operative. New York Times reporter Judith Miller refused to testify and went to jail for 85 days before talking to the grand jury, and Time magazine's Matthew Cooper avoided jail when his bosses acceded to Fitzgerald's demands.
The grand jury has heard from a few dozen witnesses -- some, like Rove, four times -- and is expected to announce indictments, if there are any, this week before the jury's term ends Friday. The usual leaks had been sparse until last week's Associated Press report that quoted a source familiar with Rove's testimony as saying that the top Bush aide had told the grand jurors that he may have first heard Plame worked for the CIA from Libby.
Fitzgerald was named to the Plame probe after Attorney General John Ashcroft recused himself amid widespread criticism that the Bush administration couldn't impartially investigate the explosive charges that involved top White House aides as the nation headed into Bush's 2004 re-election campaign.
It wasn't the first time Fitzgerald, a New York City native whose father was an apartment building doorman, was handed a hot case.
As head of the New York U.S. attorney office's task force on organized crime and terrorism in the 1990s, Fitzgerald prosecuted and won convictions against those responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center truck bombings, the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and of John Gambino, a leader of the Gambino crime family, on a host of charges.
He even indicted Osama bin Laden who, of course, remains at large.
It was in 2001 that then-Sen. Peter Fitzgerald, R-Ill., was looking for someone to recommend to the incoming Bush administration to take on the high-profile job of U.S. attorney in Chicago. Sen. Fitzgerald, who is no relation to the prosecutor, was a conservative but no friend of either the Republican or Democratic organizations in Illinois, which both have been dogged for years by corruption scandals.
Most prosecutions in those scandals going back to the conviction of Democratic Gov. Otto Kerner in 1973 have been carried out by the U.S. attorney in Chicago, rather than local prosecutors. Since then, aldermen, judges and other city and Cook County politicians and public employees have gone to prison in various scandals, but Sen. Fitzgerald felt that an outsider was needed to finally make a dent in the culture of corruption. He recommended Patrick Fitzgerald, who got the job after Senate confirmation.
Since formally taking over in Chicago just 11 days before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Fitzgerald has been a busy prosecutor.
"The criminal defense lawyers vote him the man of the year every month for all the work he's bringing them,'' said Bernard Judge, editor of the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin. "He's a dogged prosecutor.''
Fitzgerald isn't in the courtroom for the Ryan trial, which started last month and is expected to last until January, but consults with aides on strategy and the course of the case, which centers on charges that the former governor and top aides long directed an illegal operation to give licenses to unqualified truck drivers in return for cash and campaign contributions.
Fitzgerald's 161-attorney office is busy on other fronts as well. Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was questioned in his City Hall office for two hours in August in connection with an ongoing scandal involving alleged violations of a 40-year-old court order that bars most political patronage in Chicago. And Fitzgerald's office also is looking into fundraising for the campaigns of Ryan's successor, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, a Democrat.
He has also brought terrorism-related cases in Chicago. In one case, the executive director of the Benevolence International Fund was sentenced to 11 years in prison for allegedly diverting donations to terrorists in Bosnia and Chechnya. In another, he indicted Muhammad Hamid Khalil Salah, a fundraiser for the Islamic militant group Hamas.
And then there's the main event, the CIA leak case in Washington. "He divides his time as necessary, but he's predominantly in Chicago,'' said Fitzgerald's Chicago spokesman, Randall Samborn.
Fitzgerald hasn't granted an interview in months, adding to the aura of mystery surrounding the Plame case, and leading analysts to say that political pressure or the public's desire for a conclusion won't affect him.
In an interview with the Washington Post early this year, Fitzgerald compared his prosecuting strategy to a baseball pitcher.
"When you're a pitcher, you throw the ball over the plate and if you think you threw a strike and the umpire says it's a ball, it doesn't matter how much you think it's a strike. You put your case on. You don't walk into court out of fear that when you do it, either a judge will disagree with some of what you say or a defense attorney will call you overzealous,'' Fitzgerald said.
"He's one of those rare individuals who follows the law wherever it goes. He doesn't care what the public thinks,'' said Adrienne Drell, who teaches at Northwestern University's Medill School of Journalism.
A longtime reporter at the downtown Chicago federal building, Drell has known every U.S. attorney in the city since James R. Thompson, a Republican who parlayed his prosecution of Kerner and other Chicago politicians into a victory in the Illinois governor's race in 1976.
"Fitzgerald is as straight as they come,'' she said.
Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor, criminal defense attorney and a longtime observer of the capital's investigations, surmises that Fitzgerald has prevented leaks in the Plame case by not using a prosecutor's tactic of disclosing information to selected reporters as a way of pressuring witnesses or possible defendants.
Washington lawyer Victoria Toensing, a former deputy assistant attorney general in the Reagan administration, says he has gone even further.
"Lots of witnesses want to put out their own spin'' after appearing before grand juries by talking to the media. "But Fitzgerald has been tougher, almost scaring the witnesses'' not to talk. "It's rare for a prosecutor. He's even done it to the press.''
Toensing also tried to shoot down some of the gossip about Fitzgerald's 22-month-old investigation, such as the idea that after such a lengthy probe that involved an epic battle with powerful media companies and White House figures, he has to bring charges or appear a failure or a fool.
"That's a horrible, horrible thought. The decision to indict or not to indict should be an equal decision," she said. "It should never be in a prosecutor's mind that I spent two years on this case, so I'm going to indict.''
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THE PROBE
What's it about: U.S. attorney Patrick Fitzgerald is investigating allegations that Bush administration officials revealed the identity of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame because her husband emerged as an outspoken critic of the attack on Iraq.
What's next: Indictments could come this week. Karl Rove (above) and "Scooter" Libby are possible targets.
E-mail Edward Epstein at eepstein@sfchronicle.com.
This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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